Goff attacks Key again

November 9th, 2011 at 10:42 am by David Farrar

It is becoming obvious that the last two weeks of the campaign are going to be non stop attacks on . 3 News reports:

Labour leader says United States President is a great leader whereas Prime Minister John Key is a poor leader despite both nations having high unemployment and receiving credit downgrades since both leaders took office.

Unemployment in New Zealand has doubled and our credit rating has been downgraded twice by Standard and Poors since 2008.  

The United States’ unemployment has also doubled since before the global financial crisis and they have received a credit downgrade too.

Mr Goff told Firstline this morning that President Obama and Mr Key are incomparable because they inherited different fiscal situations.

It is worth recalling that Labour in fact left National with an economy that went into recession in 2008, a tradeable sector which had been shrinking since 2005 and a projected decade of deficits. Yes public debt was relatively low, but the spending track they left behind was unsustainable, and Labour opposed every single step National took to reduce spending.
But let us also look at how Americans actually rate Obama and Kiwis rate John Key.
Barack Obama’s net approval rating is -9%. John Key’s net approval rating is +53%. Note this is not a favourability rating asking do you like them. This is asking if people approve of the job they are doing.
I wonder when Labour will produce their equivalent of the 2008 H-Fee?
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62 Responses to “Goff attacks Key again”

  1. wreck1080 (3,813 comments) says:

    Yes, but , will people be happy if national get 49% of the vote, and Act fails to win epsom.

    Goff can then patch up a government with maori and green support.

    If so, gst will be removed from food, income taxes raised, minimum wage increased to $15, capital gains taxes, regressive union changes, $60 bucks a week more to dole bludgers with kids ……..urrggghhh!

    I put Nationals chance at winning to be slightly above half. The problem for national, is the lack of credible partners on the right. Conservative party sounds like rubbish.

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  2. Neil (572 comments) says:

    This election has been marked by bouts of pupulism. Labour’s efforts have been opportunistic, either new spending or restoring cuts. How far does that push Labour’s spending.
    As for the Conservative Party, how dare they take that label with quite socialistic principles-opposing assets sales for example. They certainly won’t poll well in the regional areas(either will Labour) where only the unwashed would vote for them.
    An election that will reflect very like the 2002 with National.
    National voters get out and vote National on the List.

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  3. Fletch (6,151 comments) says:

    Labour leader Phil Goff says United States President Barack Obama is a great leader

    Really? Since when is Obama a “great leader”?
    Name one good thing Obama has done since he has been in office.

    He’s actually made things a whole lot worse as far as his country’s economy and with diplomatic relations – trying to befriend enemies like Iran (who make no secret of hating the U.S and everything it stands for), and turning against friends like Israel. Iran is well on it’s way to getting the nuclear bomb, by all accounts, and the U.S is doing nothing to stop it.

    Obama is no great leader. And if Goff thinks he is, then I wouldn’t want Goff as a leader, either. Obama is not a good example to model yourself after.

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  4. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    He isn’t even sad. Just a completely pointless irrelevancy.

    An utter fuckwit who still hasn’t worked out that one of the reasons for Key’s popularity and the surge in the melons’ support is because they just don’t engage in this type of bullshit (with the exception of the bitter old hobbit-hating slapper Malcolm).

    And wrapped up in the repetition of yet another of his bare-faced lies that conveniently ignores the 2008 PREFU.

    This fuckwit, this guild-edged premium-grade tool, with his silly walk, will go down as the biggest political failure in NZ politics.

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  5. alex Masterley (1,501 comments) says:

    tdm,
    Your analysis of Mr Goff is spot on- but it is “gilt” not “guild” unless you are suggesting that he has some masonic associations.

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  6. Michaels (1,318 comments) says:

    Poor old Phil. One really should feel for him.
    He just continually says stupid things. Anyone would think Trevor was training him.

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  7. anonymouse (708 comments) says:

    Labour leader Phil Goff says United States President Barack Obama is a great leader

    Cue more voters on Labour’s left moving across to the Greens,

    Gee, did Phil not get the heads up on the Fairfax poll this morning which showed the Greens canabillising Labour’s vote, – Guess it must be time to tee up Clare Curran for another defensive stand on the left flank…..

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  8. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Goff is desperately trying to appeal to the element of society who worship Obama as the “Messiah”. Trust me they are out there-even way down here in NZ.
    I work with a girl who was gushing to the office that he is the “Greatest President they have ever had..” during one of his impressive teleprompter speeches on the news. When I dared to point out otherwise I was accused of being “racist”….

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  9. Black with a Vengeance (1,722 comments) says:

    This fuckwit, this guild-edged premium-grade tool, with his silly walk, will go down as the biggest political failure in NZ politics.

    Too early to say. My moneys still on English with Key running a close second.

    The thing is to extrapolate out to say, 2018 and use a number of seemingly disparate indicators like ummm…education, crime , incarceration rates, jobless, debt, inequality.

    cos going by those now Key is definitely the hands down winner at the mo.

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  10. Positan (385 comments) says:

    Expecting anything of substance, let alone remotely factual, from Goff is solely the vapid preserve of Labour’s dreamers.

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  11. s.russell (1,580 comments) says:

    I wonder if Labour has group-hate sessions like in Orwell’s 1984 where they all stand in front of a photo of John Key and chant “Hate! Hate! Hate!” That seems to be their mindset, and it goes well with their doublethink policies.

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  12. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Yes, but , will people be happy if national get 49% of the vote, and Act fails to win epsom.

    Depends on the vote wastage. If 2-3% is wasted on parties that do not make it to parliament (Act, NZ First) then National’s 49% will be greater than the %age of the remaining parties combined….

    Although they might be in trouble if there is an over hang.

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  13. hannity (152 comments) says:

    Diddums DPF
    Its one of the downsides of going into an election campaign without coherent policy ,while hiding the unelectables
    behind Mr smiley cardboard cut out man.

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  14. coolas (115 comments) says:

    It’s election season so of course Goff will try to attack/discredit Key at every opportunity. That’s his job. And to be balanced Goff also said this yesterday about Key’s first term:

    - Unemployment increased by 50 per cent, leaving 157,000 people out of work.
    - 100,000 Kiwis left for Australia
    - Prices up nearly four times faster than incomes.
    - First credit rating downgrade in 13 years.
    - 60,000 more on benefits costing $1b
    - Wage gap with Australia increased by $32 a week.
    - 55,200 people aged 15 to 24 not in education, employment or training.
    - Economy grown by just 0.4 per cent
    - Tax cuts actually cost an extra $1.1b in their first nine months.
    - Underclass grown with 32000 more children living on benefit dependent households.

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  15. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Hey hannity, your team is gonna lose, and its gonna lose HARD!
    You might wanna suggest to Phil, nows the time to stock up on lube cause it aint gonna be pretty and it will be painful.

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  16. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    diddums hannity. 3 more years (before Greens overtake Labour as the main opposition party)

    Every time Phil Goff opens his mouth he loses another hundred voters

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  17. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    @ coolas, all that can be explained by two things, first the GFC, second by Labours complete mis-management of the NZ economy prior to National taking office – and guess what – the NZ public see that and blame Labour for it. Every time Phil Goof opens his mouth about the poor state of the NZ economy all he does is remind the voters how much Clark, Cullen as well as himself seriously screwed the kiwi economy.

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  18. Black with a Vengeance (1,722 comments) says:

    HARD!
    You might wanna suggest to Phil, nows the time to stock up on lube cause it aint gonna be pretty and it will be painful.

    projecting much ?

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  19. hannity (152 comments) says:

    John Key may be dishonest but hes not stupid.

    “Cup of tea Mr Banks”

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  20. Rick Rowling (823 comments) says:

    Because attacking Key worked so well in 2008.

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  21. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    projecting much ?

    Sniff sniff BWAV, taking it a little hard with the polls? Just don’t take it too hard on election night when you see you team get completely rejected by the NZ electorate. Might pay to keep some tissues on hand for all the tears.

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  22. jaba (2,096 comments) says:

    Banzai

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  23. Black with a Vengeance (1,722 comments) says:

    Taking it hard with the polls (poles) and keeping the tissues on hand

    hmmm…fantasizing much too ?

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  24. jaba (2,096 comments) says:

    it’s time for the Unions to unleash their dogs

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  25. coolas (115 comments) says:

    So Bevan how do you scope this into your assertion of Labour’s ‘complete mis-management of the NZ economy prior to National taking office’

    “Bill English had to swallow the proverbial dead rat this morning and effectively acknowledge that Michael Cullen had done something right in his stewardship of the Government’s finances in the past nine years.

    Having condemned his predecessor for many years for paying off debt too quickly, English said: “I want to stress that New Zealand starts from a reasonable position in dealing with the uncertainty of our economic outlook.”

    Audrey Young – December 2008

    “In New Zealand we have room to respond. This is the rainy day that Government has been saving up for,” he told reporters at the Treasury briefing on the state of the economy and forecasts.

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  26. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Just one phrase: Three more years!

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  27. Murray (8,842 comments) says:

    You lefist dickheads have about two weeks left to work out that saying “John Key is like mmmbad ya know” is not making anyone vote labour.

    Keep your hand on it blackie, love your work for the national party.

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  28. Ross Miller (1,681 comments) says:

    Anyone know if the Labour Party President (whoever he/she/it is) is about to do what Labour Party Presidents do at this point in the election cycle and bugger off to Aust to go dirt mining or whatever on John Key?

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  29. jem (48 comments) says:

    @Michaels “Anyone would think Trevor was training him”

    To be honest I think it’s more likely to be Peter De Villiers …. Its that particular kind of mindless giberish that gives it away :)

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  30. Black with a Vengeance (1,722 comments) says:

    Cheers Murray…means a lot

    no really !!!

    Though for me it’s not about making anyone vote Labour.

    It’s more about just saying that “John Key is like mmmbad ya know” and knowing that no one believes a man of integrity, such as myself, but time will always prove him right.

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  31. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    Masterley

    Thanks for the correction.

    I must have been thinking of his moronic connections.

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  32. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    Ross Miller – more likely they’ll bugger off to to the French Riviera with whatever is left in the Labour Party bank accounts.
    Actually given the likely state of Labour’s finances, they’d be lucky if they could afford to bugger off to the Riviera of the South (Timaru)

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  33. Murray (8,842 comments) says:

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Tell Key to double what hes paying you Balckie, comedy gold right there.

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  34. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    BWAV

    “My moneys still on English with Key running a close second.”

    That’s why you don’t deserve to have any.

    Maybe you should bet the chip on each shoulder. It would’t do you any harm to lose those.

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  35. Black with a Vengeance (1,722 comments) says:

    What do you guys make of this from 2008 ?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/features/249633/Who-is-John-Key

    pick a line from it that best sums up your view of Key.

    mine would be this…

    But contrary to Key’s claim, bankers don’t always take a broad view of things. They focus on money, and are not necessarily rewarded for taking a long view.

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  36. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    So Bevan how do you scope this into your assertion of Labour’s ‘complete mis-management of the NZ economy prior to National taking office’

    Was that before or after the Nats discovered the billion dollar hole in the ACC accounts?

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  37. Black with a Vengeance (1,722 comments) says:

    >Maybe you should bet the chip on each shoulder. It would’t do you any harm to lose those.

    Ghost chips cuz….seeing thing that aren’t there !

    …just like Key’s ghost jobs, creating the illusion of jobs with a smile, a wave and a magic slogan.

    How soon before Key exits stage right in a vanishing act to parallel his arrival to NZ’s political theatre ?

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  38. DavidC (179 comments) says:

    ipredict should open a book on how many of the Liarbore partys top 10 will quit before the 2014 election.

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  39. 3-coil (1,204 comments) says:

    Goff is a sad little loser – he’ll never get any more voter support cos all he can do is whinge and whine, it’s all negative. The long-suffering voters of NZ had to put up with nearly a decade of that shit from Uncle Helen – voting for more of the same would be like turkeys voting for an early Xmas.

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  40. KevinH (1,160 comments) says:

    Goff has no choice but to attack, it’s game on and Labour are rolling out their post RWC strategy. This will make for an entertaining pre amble to the election which would be hideously dull without Labour going feral.
    Goff is an experienced politician, his attacks are expected and predictable, his target being Labour voters who may stray into the Greens camp or worse for Labour into Nationals camp.
    This election may go down to the wire with the Greens and Maori Party holding the keys to the treasury benches.

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  41. Murray (8,842 comments) says:

    Blah blah John Key is evil blah blah.

    Yeah thanks blackie, your insight has been shared, you can go now since you’ve got nothing else to say.

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  42. ciaron (1,389 comments) says:

    This election may go down to the wire with the Greens and Maori Party holding the keys to the treasury benches.

    See, this is what is wrong with MMP.

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  43. Black with a Vengeance (1,722 comments) says:

    no thanks neccessary Murray

    Does that also mean only one of you nutjobs can run Key’s lines and the rest can just wank off privately ?

    though i wouldn’t say he was evil per se, just untrustworthy and dishonest.

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  44. tvb (4,255 comments) says:

    For the labour party politics is deeplypersonal. If you donot support them they hate you. Goff will now run a deeply personal campaign full of hate towards John key. Main thing for key is not to look weak when faced with these attacks.

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  45. Scott Chris (5,981 comments) says:

    Murray’s contribution to this discussion:

    >>”You lefist dickheads have about two weeks left to work out”

    >>”HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Tell Key to double what hes paying you Balckie, comedy gold right there.”

    >>”Blah blah John Key is evil blah blah.”

    >>”Yeah thanks blackie, your insight has been shared, you can go now since you’ve got nothing else to say.”

    ~What a great advertisement for the right you are Murray. Such well reasoned points, delivered with devastating charm and wit~

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  46. Paulus (2,565 comments) says:

    ciaron

    You could still be right, but perhaps not this election but 2014.

    STOP PRESS

    No H Fee yet but still looking
    John Key slept with a woman last night.

    A woman called “Bronnie” – Labour to investigate this behavior.

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  47. david@tokyo (263 comments) says:

    Obama is going to be a one-term president most probably, it doesn’t say much about Goof that he thinks Barack is something to aspire to…

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  48. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Goff will now run a deeply personal campaign full of hate towards John key.

    Good! That will surely turn off even more voters.

    Red Wussel could find himself co-leader of the opposition the way Labour are going!

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  49. Black with a Vengeance (1,722 comments) says:

    Lets not for a second think this isn’t deeply personal for Key either.

    He seems such that he needs to prove himself the better man by winning this election not for the sake of the country, but for the sake of his competitive ego.

    It’s not so much the kill, as the thrill of the hunt. Though he appears to relish sinking his fangs in and gorging on the fresh blood too…heh

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  50. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Underestimating the man again BWAV? Isnt that what has got the left into this mess?

    Keep going, they way your lot is tracking the Nats will be rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of the 2017 election!

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  51. ciaron (1,389 comments) says:

    Paulus, my point was about disproportionate influence held by smaller parties, and as a consequence how policy that was campaigned upon can be now subject to all manner of compromise, all in the name of “stable government”.

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  52. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    A different attack, this time Gareth Hughes on Labour. The Dom Post has just had a Live Chat with the Ohariu candidates. Hughes carefully phrased round Labour in relation to their electorate support arrangement, but closed off the chat with a poke at Labour’s filibustering. Hughes versus Chauvel.

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  53. Black with a Vengeance (1,722 comments) says:

    Nah Bevan…i’m picking my estimation is about right. We’ll see in the long term if he gets in again and takes a backseat while others drive the economy off the cliff.

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  54. Phil (126 comments) says:

    On a related note, Labour’s other Phil (Twyford) has attacked the political neutrality of a government department:

    http://www.interest.co.nz/property/56615/labour-accuses-stats-nz-spinning-building-consent-numbers-during-election-campaign-do

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  55. somewhatthoughtful (457 comments) says:

    Nice spin again there David, though that’s not at all what happened. You got your dog whistle as usual though.

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  56. jem (48 comments) says:

    What really annoys me about Labours, and all on left, approach is that they are berating Nats for increased unemployment etc… and seem to be conveniently ignoring the global situation.

    I found some of this very interesting, it really puts our situation into perspective.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13359367

    Its a bit of a summary of the Eurozone situation with some nice simple graphs of various aspect for each EU Country. Deficit, GDP, Unemployment & Debt. Not a single Eurozone country has shown improvement in any of these areas since early 2008, yet Labour are grilling National that they havent improved things. Look at ireland… annual deficit of 30%, thats horrendous!!

    Surely its obvious that there is more to it all than just the NZ governments management of the situation??

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  57. Black with a Vengeance (1,722 comments) says:

    sure jem…

    …but how many of those countries are flogging off their family silverware to supposedly pay the bills ?

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  58. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Nah Bevan…i’m picking my estimation is about right. We’ll see in the long term if he gets in again and takes a backseat while others drive the economy off the cliff.

    BWAV, we’re talking about National, not Labour….

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  59. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    @ BWAV

    but how many of those countries are flogging off their family silverware to supposedly pay the bills ?

    Its not family silverwear, its property stolen by the state.

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  60. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    National is looking unstoppable on its way to a historic outright election win as Labour plunges in a Fairfax Media-Research International Poll.

    The poll has National on 52.5 per cent, and Labour sliding to 25.9 per cent, 17 days from the election.

    Labour would lose 10 seats if those results were repeated on election night, while National would get nine extra seats, and bring in a slew of new faces.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/fairfax-media-poll/5931281/National-heading-for-outright-win

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  61. jem (48 comments) says:

    BWAV .
    “but how many of those countries are flogging off their family silverware to supposedly pay the bills ?”

    A slightly different situation wouldnt you think. Ireland for example , didnt have to sell anything, they simply asked for a huge bailout from the Eurozone…

    I doubt Oz will bail us out….

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  62. Black with a Vengeance (1,722 comments) says:

    the point is jem.

    we dont HAVE to sell anything either. Key and English just want to !

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