General Debate 12 March 2012

March 12th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Dave Mann (1,207 comments) says:

    Good morning everybody…. hope you had a great weekend :)

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  2. Scott Chris (6,036 comments) says:

    Labour leader David Shearer wants a law change so governments have to throw out any foreign bid to buy New Zealand farms, unless the offer would result in more jobs and more exports than any New Zealand bid could.

    Looks like Labour have got another dud leader. What a naive proposal.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10791442

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  3. hj (6,866 comments) says:

    Him gonna travel the world when is son leaves home:

    http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/aft/aft-20120309-1310-best_song_ever_written_-_celluloid_heroes-00.ogg

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  4. hj (6,866 comments) says:

    A cruise ship fails to berth at Auckland because wharfies want to guarantee their work; thereby knocking out all the little battlers of the tourist industry who hang out like seagulls every day of the year, waiting for a chip.

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  5. Sonny Blount (1,777 comments) says:

    A cruise ship fails to berth at Auckland because wharfies want to guarantee their work; thereby knocking out all the little battlers of the tourist industry who hang out like seagulls every day of the year, waiting for a chip.

    Those little battlers just had a world cup put on for them courtesy of the rest of us.

    The Unionists are still swine though.

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  6. iMP (2,356 comments) says:

    Why does the Shearer bill only exclude foreign investment in NZ land? Why not keep ‘foreign people’ from investing in our dollar, sharemarket, technology, films, intellectual property, education courses, leadership of unions, television, wine, tourism, universities…

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  7. iMP (2,356 comments) says:

    …oh, and the Cullen fund.

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  8. iMP (2,356 comments) says:

    …insurance…

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  9. iMP (2,356 comments) says:

    Maybe Air NZ planes should not travel overseas…

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  10. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Would Owen Glenn’s $500k, ah, ‘donation’ to the Labour Party qualify as foreign investment?

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  11. nasska (11,186 comments) says:

    kk

    Well at least we know it was a donation……Mr Glenn could have bought the entire Labour Party freehold for a fraction of that sum including the office furniture. The accumulated stock of good will, honesty & integrity would have been worth $11.99 at most.

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  12. Viking2 (11,368 comments) says:

    krazykiwi (7,509) Says:
    March 12th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Would Owen Glenn’s $500k, ah, ‘donation’ to the Labour Party qualify as foreign investment?

    Look up the definition of investment and your answer will be like light.

    More like Social Welfare on a grand scale. After all look what happened to the beneficiaries!
    Some still as bad as ever they were, some of the thugs still in the trough, some of them moved to LARGER troughs and a few of the workers still there.

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  13. Viking2 (11,368 comments) says:

    Contrasting waterfront scenes.

    30,000 visit Volvo Ocean Race village

    Monday, 12, Mar, 2012 5:58AM

    A coup this week for New Zealand’s marine industry.

    At least 30,000 people have already visited the Volvo Ocean Race village at Auckland’s Viaduct Harbour over weekend.

    Wharfies picket along Auckland waterfront

    Monday, 12, Mar, 2012 8:33AM

    150 wharfies are picketing at six gates along the Auckland waterfront this morning.
    http://www.telstraclear.co.nz/news/news-story.cfm?content_id=829332

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  14. lastmanstanding (1,279 comments) says:

    IMHO Shearer wont be Leader come the 14 election. The Socialist Party is riven and divided. Shearer is seen as a Tory by the left wing. The rainbow connection are restless. After nearly 2 decades of having one of their own at the top they are finding it difficult to cope with w straight male as leader.

    Their man will be lining up support at the first sign that Shearer takes a dive in the leadership polls.

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  15. hj (6,866 comments) says:

    From John Maudlins newsletter:

    “And By the Way, Close Your Borders

    The fabric of the European Union is becoming frayed around the edges. George Friedman of Stratfor has pointed out in writing for this site that immigration is a much higher priority among many European voters than maintaining the euro. It is not talked about in polite circles, but it shows up in the polls. In line with that thought, my friend Dennis Gartman, who has never been accused of being politically correct, asks some very hard questions. In a few paragraphs with the provocative heading “And By the Way, Close Your Borders Too While Your At It…” He writes:

    “The enmity between Greece and her northern European ‘cousins’ such as Germany and Austria is already high and wide, but it is growing higher and wider by the moment. It is almost to the point where the polite bounds of political correctness are about to be broken asunder, for German and Austrian political figures are now asking that Greece seal her borders and stop the flow of ‘foreigners’ through Greece and into the rest of the EU.

    “Yesterday, the Austrian Home Affairs Minister, Ms. Johanna Miki-Leitner, minced few words and opened the rather racist front when she said, ‘We need to put real political pressure on

    Greece to implement their asylum authority as rapidly as possible. This border is as open as a barn door.’

    “There you have it … out in the open for all to see: northern European dissatisfaction and open disdain for the South and for ‘foreigners’ generally. And it is not just Greece that the Austrians and Germans fear as a port of entry for ‘foreigners’ into Europe; they fear Italy too, for Italy has been a port through which North Africans, fleeing the lesser chaos of Tunisia but the greater chaos of Libya and of Egypt, have arrived in shockingly large numbers to European shores. Indeed, more ‘foreigners’ have gotten access to Europe through Italy than have through Greece, but for the moment it is easier for an Austrian official to take on Greece than it is to take on Italy, and so Greece bears the burden at this point.

    “As the German Minister of Justice, Mr. Hans-Peter Friedrich, rather ominously said yesterday, ‘The question remains, what happens when a country is not capable of securing its borders, as we see in Greece. Is it possible to reinstate border controls? I want to clarify that this is still part of our discussion.’

    “Which then raises the question: Will Germany take it upon itself to secure Greece’s borders? My word but we don’t want to go down that path now, do we?””
    ……………
    The people from the “undeveloped” countries head to the “developed” countries. It is assumed (by some) that we can all be “developed” eventually. You gotta wonder though as when people get rich they use more and more energy (eg. Graeme Hart has a 35 bedroom super yacht. Not sure about Sir Doug Myers??)

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  16. hj (6,866 comments) says:

    re a free flow across borders like war this (would be) a great experiment, but no one really knows the outcome- the world being just a model in our heads. At the Sub Saharan Africa end you have nature seeing scarce resources and responding by producing as much (“fruit”) as possible so that some of the genetic material makes it through?

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  17. hj (6,866 comments) says:

    I was out pruning my roses (a lovely red thing). A neighbor walks down the street. I say: “gidday! Hrrymph! he replies. It sounded a bit like “f off”. I live in Little China these days but I must say, I prefer the Chinese to Kiwi roughs with their tight black clothes, “staffies” and do it yourself haircuts.
    A few weeks back there was an armed offenders call out, right outside my bedroom. I bet Brian Edwards doesn’t get that.

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  18. RRM (9,784 comments) says:

    US Army Lunatic kills 16 – God bless America eh?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/6558960/Slaughter-of-Afghan-villagers-cannot-be-forgiven

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  19. dime (9,799 comments) says:

    RRM – why add the god bless america bit? you correctly identify the guy as a lunatic.

    every country in the world has those.

    are you an anti-US guy?

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  20. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Why is Carruthurs and the others at the parole board so enthusiastic about that female murderer? Any bets?? any clues?

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  21. David Garrett (6,995 comments) says:

    Joana: which female murderer??

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  22. RRM (9,784 comments) says:

    dime –

    US Army brought the lunatic to Afghanistan and made it possible for him to have a gun in his hands.
    So while US army did not pull the trigger, nevertheless they are involved.

    I am not some anti-USA nut who opposes the whole Afghanistan deployment. But if loose US cannons start committing atrocities, then they might as well have just left the Taleban in charge, the end result for the Afghanis getting murdered is no better.

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  23. dime (9,799 comments) says:

    RRM – what a stupid comment.

    The yanks have been there 10 years? a bit more. some psycho goes nuts and kills 16 people and in your head that equates to “they may as well have left the Teleban in charge”. really??

    it could have been worse though, the guy could have burned a book instead.

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  24. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Is this David Cameron being eager to replicate the, ahem, success of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?

    £500,000 home loans backed by the taxpayer as NewBuy Guarantee scheme launched

    Up to 100,000 people will get Government support to buy homes worth up to £500,000 in a Coalition move to revive the middle-class dream of home ownership, ministers will announce.

    David Cameron will today formally open the NewBuy Guarantee scheme, where the Government guarantees part of a homebuyer’s mortgage, allowing them to take out much larger loans than they might otherwise be eligible for.

    The guarantee will allow people buying new-build properties to borrow up to 95 per cent of the value of their new home.
    Since the credit crisis that began in 2007, most people seeking to buy a newly-built property have been able to borrow no more than 80 per cent of the sale price.
    :::
    However, it could also raise fears that the State could end up guaranteeing more risky borrowers.

    Fears? I’d say there’s 100% certainty that the taxpayer will end up guaranteeing more risky borrowers, and a similar certainty that they’ll end up stepping in.

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  25. RRM (9,784 comments) says:

    dime –

    I am of the opinion that all human life is sacred. There is no “acceptable” level of collateral damage.

    Those people were not 16 head of foreign-looking cattle.

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  26. dime (9,799 comments) says:

    RRM – so you came up with “god bless america”? weird. im sure little timmy in oklamhoma was partly responsible..

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  27. gravedodger (1,546 comments) says:

    @RRM when the next lunatic towel head flips his switch in a crowd your condemnation will be here for us to observe, possibly not, make that probably not.

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  28. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Christians have no right to wear cross at work, says Government

    Christians do not have a right to wear a cross or crucifix openly at work, the Government is to argue in a landmark court case.

    In a highly significant move, ministers will fight a case at the European Court of Human Rights in which two British women will seek to establish their right to display the cross. It is the first time that the Government has been forced to state whether it backs the right of Christians to wear the symbol at work.

    A document seen by The Sunday Telegraph discloses that ministers will argue that because it is not a “requirement” of the Christian faith, employers can ban the wearing of the cross and sack workers who insist on doing so.

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  29. nasska (11,186 comments) says:

    David Garrett

    Ref: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/6558053/Convicted-killer-to-be-freed-despite-being-considered-a-risk

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  30. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    RRM

    If you are not a total idiot dropkick then why would you add – “God bless America eh ?” to your effort @ 10.31

    And why make it a question ?

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  31. Lance (2,629 comments) says:

    Well surprise surprise!

    The sacked warfies are stopping access to the port
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10791505

    Freaking no hopers will become more and more unhinged as it slowly occurs to them they have…. missed the boat…

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  32. iMP (2,356 comments) says:

    “God Bless Sweden?” for their lunatic? He killed more.

    Oh yeah, the Taleban, the ones who murder children for going to school, especially girls, or men who don’t have beards.

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  33. iMP (2,356 comments) says:

    Sorry “Norway” oh well, same place.

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  34. iMP (2,356 comments) says:

    In Europe, does that mean they’ll have to take down the crosses from the steeples and cathderals? because they are places of work.

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  35. kowtow (8,194 comments) says:

    rrm says’

    I’m not anti American, all life sacred……..yeah right.

    In today’s other news a bomb attack on a Catholic Church in Nigeria killing 4
    and a bomb attack on a funeral in Pakistan kills 15.

    Now where is the condemnation from the usual suspects,including RRM of our friends from the religion of peace? No no no . It is only the great satan of the US and A that deserves to be pilloried .

    KK
    those arses in the UK conservative party are doing a great job of insulting and alienating their base.
    I’ve never seen so many St George flags on display, a relatively new phenomenon,but an expression of Englishness/Britishness. Interesting times. The Conservatives are no longer conservative.

    I wonder if they will legilate that the Crown must remove all the crosses on royal regalia and other symbols of a once great Christian kingdom.?

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  36. RRM (9,784 comments) says:

    @ gravedodger – yes, you will actually!

    @ Kowtow – funnily enough, I disparage atrocities I hear about, much more than atrocities I haven’t heard about :-P

    @iMP – IF and when Sweden develops a long, chequered history of repeated incidents of (political nutters gunning down innocent people) OR (occupying soldiers committing capital crimes against the local citizens) then meet me back here and we’ll talk!

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  37. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    And there for all to see, RRM 12.11, proves that he IS just an idiot dropkick.

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  38. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    @iMP, it’s an absurd waste of taxpayer resources. If their ‘case’ rests on the “requirement” of a faith then The Church Of Kopimism requires filesharing and it should be allowed. Perhaps I’ll register a religion that “requires” that I smoke at work? Ah, all too hard. I’ll just wear a burqa.

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  39. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    David G
    She was mentioned in something sent to me from TVNZ today ..now I can’t find it..Others here are talking about her..I think she stabbed another woman 50 times..She has been in jail quite some time and I think out on work release..She is getting facial tattoos removed..and I think she has become and artist..I am not sure who is concerned about her release but I assume someone must be for Carruthers etc to be defending their decision in the media..sorry to be vague and not have a name..
    Someone else must know.

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  40. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Dime,


    The yanks have been [in Afghanistan] 10 years? a bit more.

    But has it been worth it?

    Given that terrorsits can come from anywhere in the Muslim world (including from within the United States) then it seems silly to believe that having forces in Afghanistan (or anywhere) will make that much difference. Having a friendly government doesn’t seem to make much difference since most of the 9/11 attackers came from Saudi Arabia, a supposed “friend”.

    Further, invading these countries certainly hasn’t made their populations any more tolerant or westernized. They’re just as backwards as they’ve always been.

    So… what’s the point?

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  41. Northland Wahine (660 comments) says:

    Joana and David G…

    Melissa Wepa… Sentenced in 1997 for life…

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  42. dime (9,799 comments) says:

    Weihana – the point is the yanks will retaliate when attacked.

    it doesnt matter where the terrorists were originally from. they were part of osamas bunch and had been trained in afghanistan.

    thats like Dime moving to australia, training as a terrorist and attacking china. so in retaliation china attack new zealand cause thats where im from.

    if i were President Dime, id be sending an even stronger message. eg screw this “osama buried at sea, very respectful” shite. i woulda released a video of guys pissing on his dead body :)

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  43. kowtow (8,194 comments) says:

    RRM

    Calling the Nato troops in Afghanistan “occupiers” is another give away of your anti position.

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  44. kowtow (8,194 comments) says:

    Oh look here’s another atrocity that our MSM aren’t highlighting because the horror isn’t being perpetrated by the disgusting American “occupiers”.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/9137051/Iraq-religious-militias-target-emo-youths.html

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  45. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Thanks Northland Wahine.
    Has anyone read Nai Yin Xue’s book ”I was not the murderer?”

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  46. Yvette (2,766 comments) says:

    I do hope that retired Canadian Supreme Court Judge, Justice Ian Binnie, in his assessment of any compensation due David Bain, is required to make a fully detailed explanation of his findings which will be available to the public in some form, considering that the item posted under the heading BAIN SAYS PARENTS MADE HIM STRONG at the moment stands at about 743 comments.
    Either way the assessment, it appears, will deeply upset a large number of people.

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  47. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/Data/wepamelissa.htm

    A top chick, one of the best.

    Why shouldn’t she get out early ?
    She didn’t mean it. After all she only stabbed her about 50 times

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  48. Fletch (6,256 comments) says:

    Interesting –

    Let the president be duly warned.

    Rep. Walter B. Jones Jr., R-N.C., has introduced a resolution declaring that should the president use offensive military force without authorization of an act of Congress, “it is the sense of Congress” that such an act would be “an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor.”

    [...]

    “This week it was Secretary of Defense Panetta’s declaration before the Senate Armed Services Committee that he and President Obama look not to the Congress for authorization to bomb Syria but to NATO and the United Nations,” Tancredo writes. “This led to Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C., introducing an official resolution calling for impeachment should Obama take offensive action based on Panetta’s policy statement, because it would violate the Constitution.”

    In response to questions from Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., over who determines the proper and legal use of the U.S. military, Panetta said, “Our goal would be to seek international permission and we would … come to the Congress and inform you and determine how best to approach this, whether or not we would want to get permission from the Congress – I think those are issues we would have to discuss as we decide what to do here.”

    “Well, I’m almost breathless about that,” Sessions responded, “because what I heard you say is, ‘We’re going to seek international approval, and then we’ll come and tell the Congress what we might do, and we might seek congressional approval.’ And I just want to say to you that’s a big [deal].”

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/obama-impeachment-bill-now-in-congress/

    Video of the conversation –

    So now, the Obama Administration is seeking authority from the U.N and NATO to go to war, and bypassing Congress altogether? It’s really unbelievable what this so-called President thinks he can do.

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  49. RRM (9,784 comments) says:

    Kowtow –

    (1) Ok, what word would you prefer to “occupying”?

    (2)
    No argument from me about the Iraqi emo thing – that’s really sh!thouse.
    Your attempt to reduce the discussion to moral relativism “but they did it too” / “two wrongs make a right” is noted – I’m pretty sure you’re one of the main ones who scream blue murder any time a leftist does that on here :-P

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  50. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Fletch
    Is it really your position that President Bush could invade miscellaneous countries without a declaration of war from Congress, but that President Obama can’t?

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  51. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    RRM
    You can bullshit on all you like, arguing away, dragging red herrings and failing to address the point.

    You included the puerile statement, “God bless America, eh ?”
    in your post @ 10.31
    That is the point noddy.
    That is where you revealed your true colours.

    But, typical of your type you ignore the issue raised and choose to obfuscate.

    You let yourself down @ 10.31
    Just be big enough to face up to it.

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  52. RRM (9,784 comments) says:

    besurreal

    That guy would not have been in Afghanistan with a good gun and the opportunity to use it, without the helping hand / inadequate oversight of U.S. military.

    So God Bless America :-P

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  53. dime (9,799 comments) says:

    RRM – Occupying? hmm

    The legal government would be the Mujahideen? They took over in 92. Illegally ousted by the Taliban in 96?

    The Mujahideen worked with the US to over throw the Taliban?

    So the taliban would have been the illegal occupiers?

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  54. dime (9,799 comments) says:

    RRM – weak. its sad when people cant just say “yea, was a silly thing to say”.

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  55. Fletch (6,256 comments) says:

    Fletch
    Is it really your position that President Bush could invade miscellaneous countries without a declaration of war from Congress, but that President Obama can’t?

    mikenmild – Bush got Congressional approval – twice before going to war.

    Obama just did WTF he wanted without any approval at all.

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  56. Bevan (3,923 comments) says:

    US Army Lunatic kills 16 – God bless America eh?

    Are all Kiwi’s murderers based on the actions of David Grey?

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  57. RRM (9,784 comments) says:

    David Grey wasn’t a uniform-wearing, state-equipped nutter gunman Bevan. There’s a difference.

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  58. dime (9,799 comments) says:

    RRM – just admit youre anti-US. its easy.

    for instance – Dime doesnt like islamic countries.

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  59. kowtow (8,194 comments) says:

    RRm

    For a legal description of Nato in Afghanistan (yeah I know) But it’s not an occupation.From Nato website……

    NATO is in Afghanistan at the express wish of the democratically elected government of Afghanistan and is widely supported by the Afghan population. The Bonn Agreement of 5 December 2001 requested the United Nations to authorise the development of a security force to assist in maintaining security in Kabul and its surrounding areas. On 20 December 2001, the UN Security Council approved the first resolution authorizing the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF).

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  60. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Will Melissa Wepa be given anti psychotic medication by injection by a nurse or will the taking of medication be left to her own discretion?
    What punishment will Saunders and Carruthers [ parole board] receive if Melissa violently reoffends? Will they step down?

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  61. Lance (2,629 comments) says:

    @kowtow
    It gives meaning to RRMs life to hate Americans. You shouldn’t use logic with the potential to deny him is one true comfort in life, shame on you.

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  62. RRM (9,784 comments) says:

    dime / lance

    You are wrong – in fact some of my best friends are Americans.
    But I expect USA to feel a lot of responsibility for their soldiers’ actions in killing innocent people.

    It is heartening to see that the US powers that be appear to be doing so…

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  63. kowtow (8,194 comments) says:

    lance,
    I can’t help myself.Anti American hypocracy annoys the shit out of me.

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  64. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    joana
    Why on earth would Wepa re offend. Jeez, get with the programme.

    She is only, ‘ moderate to high risk of re offending.” (shit, she’s not, ‘very’ high risk after all)

    She will have the support of the mongrel mob. (Female Bitches Division)

    She is cunning enough to say the right things and pull the right chains for the parole board.
    If you read the parole report i linked to above she managed to suck them in hook line and sinker.
    She’s not stupid.

    The brains in the parole board ( who have much more common sense than you and i) believe that she
    is a changed person and will now go on to be a productive member of society.
    Of course the parole board takes no responsiblity.
    Its all care and no responsibility.

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  65. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    # dime (4,064) Says:
    March 12th, 2012 at 1:03 pm


    Weihana – the point is the yanks will retaliate when attacked.

    Agreed. But Afghanistan and Iraq were more than just a retaliatory strike. It was based on this view that if you removed the dictators the people were otherwise decent people. They are ignorant, poor and superstitious and their leaders will always reflect that.


    it doesnt matter where the terrorists were originally from.

    Not necessarily but countries like Saudi Arabia breed a radical mindset. I don’t think a specific training camp is that important given that much of the 9/11 planning was undertaken elsewhere in places like Hamburg and in the United States itself. If we look at the 2005 London bombings all four terrorists were homegrown. Point is that terrorists don’t need a friendly government in order to plan deadly attacks.


    if i were President Dime, id be sending an even stronger message. eg screw this “osama buried at sea, very respectful” shite. i woulda released a video of guys pissing on his dead body :)

    While I agree with the sentiment I fear it would only serve to inflame the situation beyond what is necessary. But my main point is that the US and others have thrown away over 7000 lives of their own soldiers in what is arguably a pointless effort in Afghanistan and Iraq. The West has effectively inflicted two more 9/11 atrocities on itself just for the sake of responding to an attack and it is not obvious that such responses will prevent the next 9/11.

    Meanwhile, some US troops are accidentally burning Korans, some are pissing on dead fighters, and at least one is going around mindlessly executing women and children. All this is doing nothing to improve the image of the US in the region and it is hard to see much practical benefit to the US from troops remaining in Afghanistan.

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  66. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Had that a bit wrong above.
    Melissa Wepa will have the support of the mongrel mob, “Deadly Fucking Bitches Division.”

    She will be O.K.

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  67. Chuck Bird (4,835 comments) says:

    Woman wins HIV ACC compo fight

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10791548

    Nice to see the bisexual scumbag topped himself and will not be a worry to anyone else or a cost to the taxpayer.

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  68. Scott Chris (6,036 comments) says:

    You are wrong – in fact some of my best friends are Americans.

    Heh.

    But I expect USA to feel a lot of responsibility for their soldiers’ actions in killing innocent people.

    I disagree. I abhor America’s foreign policy, but this is a case of one man’s insanity, not a country’s insanity.

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  69. MT_Tinman (3,105 comments) says:

    Meanwhile, some US troops are accidentally burning Korans, some are pissing on dead fighters, and at least one is going around mindlessly executing women and children.

    The one has been stopped.

    Why offset his actions with the good bits?

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  70. dime (9,799 comments) says:

    weihana – i disagree. the yanks set out what they wanted to achieve in iraq. they disrupted the entire region. had terrorists going to iraq rather than the US etc. im too lazy to finish writing my thoughts on the iraq war for the 50th time :P but yeah, Bush did the right thing :)

    and who cares about “inflamming the situation”. muslims never worried. its time to stop being weak and smack these bitches

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  71. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    What a fool am I Bereal. I don’t believe anyone can change that much and my point about the medication is very relevant.

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  72. plebe (271 comments) says:

    Never let a EX money market dealer Prime Minister from a failed company run paradise New Zealand. :o((

    http://nz.yahoo.com/s/380020

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  73. plebe (271 comments) says:

    And whats your point Viking, two different events but cannot you see that??

    Viking2 (6,336) Says:

    March 12th, 2012 at 9:03 am
    Contrasting waterfront scenes.

    30,000 visit Volvo Ocean Race village

    Monday, 12, Mar, 2012 5:58AM

    A coup this week for New Zealand’s marine industry.

    At least 30,000 people have already visited the Volvo Ocean Race village at Auckland’s Viaduct Harbour over weekend.

    Wharfies picket along Auckland waterfront

    Monday, 12, Mar, 2012 8:33AM

    150 wharfies are picketing at six gates along the Auckland waterfront this morning.
    http://www.telstraclear.co.nz/news/news-story.cfm?content_id=829332

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  74. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Fletch,


    Let the president be duly warned.

    Rep. Walter B. Jones Jr., R-N.C., has introduced a resolution declaring that should the president use offensive military force without authorization of an act of Congress, “it is the sense of Congress” that such an act would be “an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor.”

    What a lot of hot air. There is a long established precedent for the President using military force without the prior authorization of Congress. Congress has the constitutional authority to declare war but hasn’t formally declared a war since WW2. That’s because not every use of the military is considered a “war” as such and the President as Commander in Chief is authorized to use the military to advance US foreign policy and protect national security interests. The Korean War was never authorized and neither was Bosnia. The US has used its military in places like Nicaragua, The Dominican Republic, Cuba and none of these missions were authorized by Congress.

    It’s probably worthwhile having a genuine discussion about the appropriate limits of presidential power and how that power has expanded dramatically since the end of WW2. But this is not a serious discussion this is another attempt to paint the president as different and out of the ordinary. Because these politicians know that anything that paints Obama as out of the ordinary plays into the prejudices of small town USA who see him as nothing more than a black Muslim from Kenya.

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  75. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    # dime (4,066) Says:
    March 12th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    weihana – i disagree. the yanks set out what they wanted to achieve in iraq. they disrupted the entire region. had terrorists going to iraq rather than the US etc.

    Yet they seemed perfectly capable of carrying out attacks in Bali, Madrid and London and in Iraq the US has managed to lose thousands of soldiers anyway equating to yet another 9/11. Given that the West has lost over 7000 soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, then you would surely have to believe that these missions prevented terrorist attacks that would have killed in excess of that number. That is rather optimistic in my view.


    and who cares about “inflamming the situation”. muslims never worried. its time to stop being weak and smack these bitches

    What we should care about is results rather than massaging our ego. If the US needs to take strong military action in order to retaliate or prevent an attack then it should, but pointlessly taunting those who already feed off a sense of victimhood and grievances, both real and imagined, is not going to help in my view.

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  76. dime (9,799 comments) says:

    plebe – your trolling is piss weak

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  77. plebe (271 comments) says:

    Honest posts,so if you dont go with the flow you are a troll. Mr Farrar,just post your thoughts and the sheep can say yes yes great post yes those damn scum doctors,nurses,the unemployed,teachers etc etc and the holy grail of hatred, unionists(ps in another life i was in the EPMU) so there.
    dime (4,067) Says:

    March 12th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
    plebe – your trolling is piss weak

    sorry dime for pissing on your parade ,PLEBE

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  78. Murray (8,845 comments) says:

    Not a day goes by that I don’t disagree with David Phillis Farrar.

    But in the meantime, dime is correct, your trolling is piss weak. Sharpen up plebe.

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  79. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    OK joana
    Maybe you are playing the old double bluff with me however, just in case, let me say,
    i was trying to be sarcastic above.

    I have no confidence whatever in the parole board letting this killer go free on just her second appearence before them.
    Especially given the heinous nature of her offence, the manipulative statements she made at her first parole appearence, her continuing to offend while in prison, and her long and continuing association with the mongrel mob.

    On the other matter of medication.
    This is of course pure bullshit.
    i don’t believe there is any medication that can be given to a sadistic killer to cause society to be confident they will not reoffend.

    Make no mistake about this animal. She is a sadistic killer. You do not stab your victim 50 times, when 2 or 3 stabs will do the trick , then dump your victim like a piece of trash unless you are.

    One or two stabs in a fit of rage is one thing, this is totally different.

    Stabbing is a very personal way to murder.
    You are connected to your victim. They are on one end of the knife, the murderer
    is on the other. You do not do it 50 times unless you are loving it. (and her victim was supposed to be her friend FFS)

    i believe that, contrary to what the parole board seems to feel, a person who commits such a crime can never be trusted in society again.
    Certainly, the relatively short period of her imprisonment is an insult, to the victim, and to society, even if she doesn’t reoffend.

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  80. chiz (1,132 comments) says:

    Device translates sign language to text

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  81. Dick (80 comments) says:

    A scanned article about homosexuality and how gay people are likely to have caused AIDS in the 80s:

    http://i.imgur.com/gyl15.png

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  82. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    And one further thought regarding the release of sadistic killer Melissa Wepa.

    She will be only 38 years old when released. (Jeez. she could still breed)

    She could be walking around for another 40 years or so and all that time her victim will still be dead.

    The comments attributed to the parole board in the Herald today are a disgrace and if anyone needed
    evidence of how off the planet these pathetic drongos are, there it is.

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  83. plebe (271 comments) says:

    Cuts like a knife , those hurtfull comments,im out of here

    Murray (8,772) Says:

    March 12th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
    Not a day goes by that I don’t disagree with David Phillis Farrar.

    But in the meantime, dime is correct, your trolling is piss weak. Sharpen up plebe.

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  84. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Bereal..
    I knew you were being sarcastic..A friend and I read your later posts..hilarious and very well written..We agree….. also agree that Carruthers and co are drongos..but the sad thing is it seems almost certain that this woman will wreck more lives.

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  85. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Regarding the murderer Wepa, I didn’t see the Herald story, but from what I saw on stuff she has served about 15 years and the Parole Board needs to release her unless it is clearly unsafe to do so. To describe the Parole Board as ‘drongos’ for dong so is a bit sad.

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  86. Leaping Jimmy (16,227 comments) says:

    # 1 candidate for false flag attack joins the Fifth Fleet:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/6560189/Storied-carrier-the-Big-E-makes-final-voyage

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  87. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Why do you say that LJ?

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  88. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Obviously you haven’t had much to do with the parole board MnM.

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  89. Thrash Cardiom (298 comments) says:

    Oh look here’s another atrocity that our MSM aren’t highlighting because the horror isn’t being perpetrated by the disgusting American “occupiers”.

    Did you even bother look at various NZ media before writing that?

    https://www.google.co.nz/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=iraq+emo+site:.co.nz&oq=iraq+emo+site:.co.nz&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=668l8185l1l8376l30l28l3l0l0l4l1268l11549l2-5.8.5.1.4.1l24l0&gs_l=hp.3…668l8185l1l8376l30l28l3l0l0l4l1268l11549l2-5j8j5j1j4j1l24l0.frgbld&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=69fa65b8621582b5&biw=1024&bih=439

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  90. nasska (11,186 comments) says:

    A man and a woman walk into a bank and ask to see the manager.

    They are ushered in and the manager, despite his professionalism, can hardly keep his eyes off the bulging cleavage and perfect curves of the woman.

    “Mr Wilson” says the man, “I have an investment proposition that needs $50,000. I presume, as I bank here, that will be no problem?”

    Smugly the bank manager replies, “In banking, one should never assume Sir. I will need to ask a few questions and run a few checks.”

    “Here’s the deal.” says the man, leaning forward. “No questions. No checks. $50,000 today and I will let you have my wife for one night and one night only to do whatever you want. And she is very.. adventurous.”

    Once again Mr Wilson mentally undresses the woman, licks his lips, loosens his tie and becomes flustered. After a few moments he buzzes in his secretary and they draw up the paperwork. He arranges to bring the money to the executive suite of the Skycity Grand Hotel at 7 o’clock that evening.

    At ten to seven, Mr Wilson nervously enters the hotel lobby and takes the lift to the 12th floor. He knocks shyly on the door of the suite and it is answered by the woman in a low cut short red dress and heels.

    “Mr Wilson” she purrs. “Have you got the money?”

    The bank manager shakily hands her an envelope.

    She smiles. “Then come in.”

    He follows the woman into the room and stops in shock. Lying on the bed is a hideously ugly woman in faded grey underwear eating a pie. At least 25 stone, she lies in a provocative pose showing unshaven armpits and bikini line.

    The man is sitting in an armchair with a glass of Scotch.

    “What’s this?!” stutters the bank manager.

    “My wife” says the man. “In banking, Mr Wilson, one should never assume.”

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  91. Steve (4,544 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/motoring/6560983/Ferrari-speedster-busted-by-YouTube

    Actually the guy can’t drive for shit, very nervous. Nice car, needs to ring it for performance, not play at 6000rpm.

    So I guess this is a promotional thing from Ferrari about who should not own one

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  92. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9137218/Missing-criminals-will-be-named…but-only-if-theyve-been-lost-for-three-months.html

    Britain is as rooted as Europe, publishing the names of missing criminals may breach their human rights and data protection laws, jesus cried a torrent

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  93. kowtow (8,194 comments) says:

    Trash cardigan

    I said Highlighted.And our MSM didn’t highlight it.Unlike the story of the single American who will probably spend the rest of his life in gaol,rightly too.

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  94. Leaping Jimmy (16,227 comments) says:

    Why do you say that LJ?

    Because it’s going to cost $1 billion+ to decommission her and wouldn’t it be much more convenient if she simply sank in the gulf, Iran “did it” according to the MSM and the US can react accordingly, mm.

    And if anyone thinks that wouldn’t happen merely because they can’t conceive the US would kill 5-6000 of its own military personnel in order to start such an adventure, then such a person hasn’t been paying a whole hell of a lot of attention to the history of the twentieth and early twenty-first centuries.

    Just file it away – this is the third time I’ve raised this on this blog. The deeper question is: if it happens, will it be Israel or will it be the US and if you think it would be Israel, why would Israel do that, given the consequences to itself if an Iranian war breaks out?

    Of course, when I say “deeper question” I’m relying on the fact anyone reading this isn’t so naive as to imagine it would be Iran because – duh – why would Iran do anything like that in the first place, knowing what the consequences are? Iran, as a country, is not insane. The world only works like that in the insane world of the braying MSM lapped up by the village-idiot level useful idiot brigade. You know, the sort of people who think Fox, CBS, NBC, PBS etc really do tell the truth. Those sorts of people wouldn’t even get this post, in any way. Not in the slightest. They’d probably think it was anti-Semitic, they’re so profoundly confused. So let’s hope none of them read it, mm.

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  95. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Too far-fetched, I’m afraid.

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  96. kowtow (8,194 comments) says:

    PEB @820

    And then you have the usual suspects here who defend this lunacy and say PC does not exist.

    But you’re right ,Britain is as you put it, rooted.

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  97. nasska (11,186 comments) says:

    LJ

    I’ve read your other postings on the subject. I’m still skeptical but watching carefully.

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  98. Leaping Jimmy (16,227 comments) says:

    mm and nasska, the latest 60 minutes episode just featured the former head of Mossad in Israel as calling the Iranian government and regime as RATIONAL. He also ratified that any attack by Israel against Iran would be an act of de facto suicide for Israel.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57394904/the-spymaster-meir-dagan-on-irans-threat/

    I know what your problem is. I used to be, where you are. Know that. All I can say is: educate yourselves and the start of that is dropping the emotional barrier that countries like the US could not possibly do that to their own service men and women. They can, and do. I realise that’s difficult but you will never get this stuff unless and until you do that and there is nothing stopping you from doing what I do with it, which is to treat it all as a possibility, a maybe, not even a probability. I could well be wrong, but after ten years of observation with this mindset, the predictive power of what happens next becomes quite amazing and after all, is that not what the scientific method is all about.

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  99. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    nasska
    Can’t see it myself.
    1. Too big in scale – like allegation of faking the moon landings or 9/11 inside job.
    2. An easier pretext could be found – but bearing in mind that the truth will come out eventually
    4. Fake a dossier of ‘intelligence’ – been done before
    3. President could just order the bombing anyway and most Yanks would support it.

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  100. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    LJ
    I don’t disagree with that man’s analysis. Rational analysis might not be the basis of any US action against Iran though.

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  101. RandySavage (211 comments) says:

    I dont see the evolutionary reasoning for female ejaculation
    Proof God has a sense of humor?

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  102. nasska (11,186 comments) says:

    LJ

    I have no doubts whatsoever that the people at the levers of power are capable of such action. Its just that as ‘mikenmild’ commented the odds of keeping such an assault on USA citizens secret would be nigh impossible.

    I believe in any case that there will be more indicators that will reveal future intentions.

    mikenmild

    Points noted – I see where you’re coming from but I don’t trust the powerbrokers in the USA. (note, they are not necessarily active politicians.)

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  103. adze (2,093 comments) says:

    For those interested in neuroscience; a study reports that the basic mechanism for memory storage in the human brain may have been discovered:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120309103701.htm

    It’s all to do with a particular transforming molecule – CaMKII – that looks like a snowflake and when activated within the synapse looks like a pair of insects.

    The study suggests that informationally, our memories are organised into 6-bit bytes.

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  104. nasska (11,186 comments) says:

    adze

    Thanks…..if you locate any information on which part of the brain deals with the location of the ute keys let me know so I can book myself in for a defrag.

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  105. Leaping Jimmy (16,227 comments) says:

    the odds of keeping such an assault on USA citizens secret would be nigh impossible.

    Why? 911 full story has not been outed. Who did it, how they did it and why they did it, is speculation. But, fact is, even a superficial comparison with the facts of what happened and the laws of physics vs the explanations offered by the official story shows massive gaps, just like the Warren Commission and the facts of what happened to JFK shows massive gaps.

    If you choose to believe those massive gaps in either episode don’t exist, then you’re simply ignorant of the details, because they do exist. Period. It’s lot easier to see in JFK since that only involved one person and the passage of time. But both episodes have precisely the same symptoms.

    The implications of such gaps, if they do exist, is why people prefer not even properly to look into whether or not they exist or not. But that doesn’t change the fact they do.

    Rational analysis might not be the basis of any US action against Iran though.

    Rational analysis is always the basis of one country’s action against another mm. Always. No exceptions, ever. The issue is, the justification offered by academics, the MSM and the other people who offer the explanations and endlessly dissect the various facets therefrom, is not necessarily anything other than deliberate disinformation. And that doesn’t mean BTW that said academics et al know its disinformation, anymore than your average AGW alarmist scientist is consciously aware that their advocacy of what they genuinely and fervently believe to be the truth based on all their training, is.

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  106. adze (2,093 comments) says:

    Nasska

    Certainly… look at memory location HEX #110545, 343122, 052312, 002341, 545521, 222341 :)

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  107. nasska (11,186 comments) says:

    LJ

    …”If you choose to believe those massive gaps in either episode don’t exist, then you’re simply ignorant of the details,”…..

    You can take credit for the fact that although eighteen months ago I would have swallowed the official version I am now edging into skeptics territory. I may well get full accreditation at the next bent spoon awards but for now I am progressing slowly.

    I have a feeling that the crew of the carrier would be safer if they monitored both port & starboard.

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  108. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    The UK is on the way out and Germany is on the rise, again…

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  109. Leaping Jimmy (16,227 comments) says:

    I have a feeling that the crew of the carrier would be safer if they monitored both port & starboard.

    Iran has Russian Sunburn and Onyx missiles nasska.

    The Persian Gulf is a bathtub with no maneuvering room, not that such makes any difference except in terms of depleting the fuel before the missile strikes thus reducing weight and kinetic impact energy. The Enterprise or any other carrier has no chance, if those missiles fly.

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