General Debate 15 June 2012

June 15th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    … and G*d took Friday off and went away for a long weekend …

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  2. Yvette (2,690 comments) says:

    A reportedly leaked trade negotiation document set the cat among the pigeons yesterday, with minor parties and trade activists citing it as proof New Zealand is being sold out to corporates, a charge the Government and Labour Party deny … It contains a framework whereby a foreign firm can sue a sovereign state for a loss of earnings relating to legislation, as well as terms for other investor protections.

    Imperial Tobacco (New Zealand) Limited is a subsiduary of Imperial Tobacco Group Plc. UK.
    I wonder if the trade agreement applies to corporations within the countries of the agreement, or just any corporation worldwide.
    However, the Trans Pacific Partnership agreement being negotiated includes Australia, so I guess the Sydney branch will be able to sue the New Zealand Government in 2025.

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  3. Bombs Aregreat (5 comments) says:

    What are your thoughts about the employee who was dismissed for alleged ass-groping? Is this a case of homophobia, or would we not question the claims of sexual assault if the boss was a female?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=10812951

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  4. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Have you guys heard that a whole bunch of Pacificans will be marching in Auckland in protest of the fact that Auckland City council is not including enough of them in the decision making processes especially the 30 year plan. Limp wristed Len has already agreed to many of their demands in principle and will be joining the march.

    I can’t fucking wait to see what Auckalnd will look like with more Pacifikan input, after all, all the source countries, where this human flotsam has come from are thriving, clean and beautiful! Auckland needs more Pacifican leadership. Otara is a shining example of what we can look forward to if only Len gave Pacificans more power in council.
    Cue rebuttal from Pacificans.

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  5. Nookin (3,034 comments) says:

    I wonder if the resident bludger will include this one in his news aggregation publication?
    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/213333/dunedin-teen-smoked-cannabis-fatal-crash

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  6. Longknives (4,454 comments) says:

    What a terrifying and truly awful start to my Friday- Sit down with my morning coffee, click open the Herald online and Robyn bloody Malcolm’s horrible scowling mug is looking back at me.
    I quickly closed down and went to Stuff. Don’t need to be pontificated to about my carbon footprint or lectured to that I should be paying more tax at this hour of the morning….

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  7. Carlos (686 comments) says:

    When are we ever going to see news where liberty is increased, not decreased in Western countries?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10813180

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  8. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    when you read nookins’link..

    ..you find his hand was stuffed in his pocket…trying to extract his cellphone…when he crashed..

    ..so..?

    ..i probably won’t cover it..

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  9. Manolo (13,362 comments) says:

    On a crazy, slippery slope: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-news/special-bail-planned-for-minorities/story-e6freuzi-1226394887994

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  10. KiwiGreg (3,174 comments) says:

    @ longknives, I’m willing to bet it wasnt coverage of her drink driving?

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  11. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    immigant: I read about that a week or so ago and commented on it. I have no problem with it, it seemed to me they just wanted a voice to be heard.

    Pacific Islanders are not very good at making their voice heard, traditionally.

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  12. Manolo (13,362 comments) says:

    Would Peter Jackson do the same for any of our aspiring politicians? http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/06/14/Spielberg-Bain-Obama

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  13. Nookin (3,034 comments) says:

    Any excuse to defend the indefensible, eh Phil?

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  14. Mark (1,360 comments) says:

    John Key has signalled his strong desire to proceed with the asset sales no matter what the markets are looking like. I am for the partial sale of these assets but only of it makes economic sense and at present that has to be seriously in question. The companies produce annual profits of $500m and treasury are projecting a dividend payout of 40% at $200m pa which the government for the sake of simplicity will get $100m. At 4.5b represents an interest saving of $160m so treasury are arguing NZ is better off in a cash flow sense.

    It relies on some interesting assumptions:

    - that they get their price when the markets are so volatile
    - that the public accept that the dividend and not profitability is the measure of return on investment. hard to imagine that they are that dim but treasury clearly do.

    I would like Key to draw a line in the sand and let us know that these assets are not for sale at any price. What concerns me is Key could be driven by ideology over common sense. Let’s hope that is not the case

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10813132

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  15. Elaycee (4,301 comments) says:

    Longknives: “What a terrifying and truly awful start to my Friday- Sit down with my morning coffee, click open the Herald online and Robyn bloody Malcolm’s horrible scowling mug is looking back at me.”

    You poor bugger.

    Best wash your eyes out / pour a long coffee and have a hug with Mum and the kids. That should see you right…. :D

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  16. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    Nookin: philu’s a 62 year old man who has yet to grow up and mature. Waste of time discussing anything with him.

    PS If you want to get the best of the news, uncensored from multiple sources …

    https://news.google.co.nz/

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  17. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (338 comments) says:

    Yvette, why would an Australian tobacco company sue the New Zealand Government?

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  18. Nookin (3,034 comments) says:

    Graham
    Thanks for that link. I have bookmarked it and may make it home page.

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  19. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    so..pot is ‘the indefensible’.. eh ?..

    ..quite the low ‘indefensible’ bar you are running there..eh..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  20. Yvette (2,690 comments) says:

    Imperial Tobacco’s Imperial Tobacco’s Petone factory gears up to send 4 billion cigarettes a year to Australia.
    The long-established factory in Richmond St will be quadrupling its exports across the ditch and introducing 50 new jobs, with a two-year, $45-million upgrade nearing completion. factory has just completed a $45m upgrade to send 4 billion cigarettes a year to Australia.

    The Government plans New Zealand will be SMOKEFREE in 2025. Presumably it will be a crime to possess or manufacture cigarettes. Under the Trans Pacific Partnership agreement being negotiated, a foreign firm can sue a sovereign state for a loss of earnings relating to legislation, as well as terms for other investor protections.

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  21. RRM (9,447 comments) says:

    And the “I’m not racist, but all brown people are shit…” Award goes to (drumroll)… Immigant.

    What country are you from, Immigant?

    Isn’t it one of those charming eastern European ones, where everyone who’s of the wrong ethnicity gets driven out of town and shot?

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  22. flipper (3,556 comments) says:

    So,having disposed of all that, can we take a peek at some “good ol’ time” journalism, and weep over the quality (well, a few rare exceptions) we now get in NZ?

    Try this; a comment on the New Orleans TIMES-PICAYUNE bloodbath from one of its veteran reporters (who still “drinks” his lunch):

    ” I’ve been oddly privileged today to live through an out-of-body
    experience, hovering above my own casket, as it were, to hear the
    most humbling appreciations directed at the corpse. May you all be so
    blessed.
    ” This afternoon in the newsroom was uniquely wrenching and brutal.
    The spread of the damage was transparent, trackable. People stood in
    knots; women hugged themselves defensively; men threw arms over others’
    shoulders.
    ” There was gallows humor – lots of it – bewilderment, more humor,
    more bewilderment. People emerged from meetings and drew their fingers
    across their throats. It was shocking: Him! Her!! What can they be
    thinking?…
    ” The layoff was a scheduled plague loosed on a confined population;
    it erupted about 9 a.m. and took 50 percent casualties, incrementally
    and in public, then …burned itself out by lunch. Shocked people left to
    nurse their wounds alone, with family or co-workers.
    We drank our lunch, went home to examine our severance or new job-offer packets.
    Mine is severance. Tomorrow we’ll be back at work to play out the last act of several months duration, me included.
    They will be my last weeks in 41 years. I came to this place a bachelor; I leave a grandfather. (And I swear,
    in that period the escalator has NOT worked for any five consecutive days.)
    ” I’ve said it before: no condolences for me; I’ve had a great run.
    I didn’t want it to end this way, but who am I to carp in the face of
    such great blessings in family and fortune and, until now, work.

    ” I do have issues – seething issues – with the management of this
    new enterprise and its shocking disrespect for everything on which it
    depends for success. The new Times-Picayune has given the back of its hand
    to all of its employees and all of its customers – other than that, things
    are, you know, swell.
    ” To all my friends who checked in today with words and consolations
    to make a statue blush, I am wordless with appreciation. You are all
    balm for the soul and healing for what ought to be a great wound. God bless all of you.
    Let’s keep in touch. And, hey, let’s watch each others’ backs, right? ”

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  23. David Garrett (6,400 comments) says:

    He’s “.. probably not going to cover it” !!!!

    Who’s old enough to remember news segments that began with the announcer saying solemnly: “Reuter says….”

    I think Reuter’s first name was Julius though, not Philip…

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  24. dime (9,427 comments) says:

    I think PI’s get a shitty deal in this country. Mainly due to the maori based policies rather than helping people that need it.

    In saying that, im opposed to any interference in the democratic process.

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  25. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    Christ that’s why Collins is known as crusher, walking away from the camera she has an arse that must be at least a pick handle across.

    Yes,yes, I know there are far too many women MPs of all parties who should be on a water only diet for three months.

    New rule for parliament, all would be female MPs to parade in a swim suit to make sure they fit in with what us males would like to see in parliament.

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  26. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    (todays’best-of..so far..)

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    “…The non-case against gay parenting…”

    “…The rise of Golden Dawn is a sign of Greek lawlessness…”

    “…Iain Duncan Smith sets out new welfare agenda: blaming poverty on the poor…”

    “…Photograph of woman with aborted foetus sparks fury in China…”

    a rant against the atkins diet…(video..)

    “…Cameron’s ‘country suppers’ leave nasty taste…”

    “…Allen Stanford sentenced to 110 years in jail for investment fraud…”

    “…That Rebekah Brooks text message to David Cameron – decoded | Jonathan Freedland..”

    “…John Armstrong: Stakes higher with PM’s reputation on the line…”

    “…Brian Fallow: Bleak outlook from Reserve Bank…”

    “…Bernard Hickey: How will NZ break its investment drought?…”

    “..New Zealand Herald Editorial: Key’s clumsy backdown an insult to us all…”

    “…Assets sales ‘going ahead’ despite storm clouds…”

    housing new zealand tenants to be forced to give up their dogs..?

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    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  27. Longknives (4,454 comments) says:

    Dime- I think everyone (Polynesian,Asian, European etc) who isn’t Maori (or rather cashing in on the smidgeon of Maori blood in them) gets a “shitty deal in this country”….

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  28. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    Good to see you focussing on the important aspects of politics there, grumpyoldhori.

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  29. Carlos (686 comments) says:

    @ Dime

    I don’t think Pacific Islanders have gotten a raw deal. They came over here for job opportunities and economic opportunities and then didn’t move up the economic ladder. Instead they slid down it. They decided against valuing education and sacrifice and took the easy way out by being overly reliant on welfare. They started to paint themselves as victims in the same boat as the Maoris. They had a chance to improve the lives of their offspring and on the whole they have failed miserably. :(

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  30. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    Fala made an interesting observation a while ago to the effect that PI educational achievement gets thwarted by community pressure to prioritise the Chur … oops, the House of G… yikes no, relig … Bah, sorry, forget I said anything.

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  31. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    “forget I said anything.”

    Not a hard thing to do.

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  32. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    Oh Russell, come on, I’m sure you can do better than that.

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  33. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    Actually, is this a break-through? Is it a hint that the poor old thing might almost have a sense of humour?

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  34. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    @thedavincimode, Carlos, dime, immigant: Do you actually know exactly what the Pacific Island community are asking for? From what I remember, having read this story a couple of weeks ago, they are basically after “a voice” – they want representation. Now if anybody can provide a link to the story I would be grateful, because I can’t find anything now. But asking for representation on the council or a working group is a far cry from asking for a handout.

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  35. RRM (9,447 comments) says:

    When I lived in Mt Eden and worked in East Tamaki I frequently had to change buses at Otahuhu, and on Fridays if I had managed to catch the earlier bus I often got off at Otara for breakfast at McDs for a treat.

    Otahuhu and Otara are two of the darkest areas in south Auckland, and I would have been one of the few white faces on the bus or waiting for the bus. And I NEVER felt unsafe there at that time in the morning. Or even unwelcome. All the people I rubbed shoulders with were all just solid, decent guys on their way to work.

    It was the little limp dick fuckwits you bump into on bright, white, civilised Queen Street in the central city in the evening that you had to worry about, they are liable to do anything.

    The ONLY shocking thing about Otahuhu was the way more than one shop out of every two had a massive sign in the front window telling people it’s normal to buy everything on finance. Can’t afford it? Just tick it up. We only charge 21% interest (per 9 months)…

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  36. James Stephenson (2,024 comments) says:

    But asking for representation on the council…

    So councillors Arthur Anae and Alf Filipaina for the Manukau ward are what, precisely?

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  37. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    “I often got off at Otara for breakfast at McDs for a treat.”

    A treat at McDonalds in Otara?

    Man, I knew you were a loser, but really..!!

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  38. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    graham

    No idea and less interest. There is no barrier to PIs or any other ethnicity running their own candidate and looking to achieve representation through the ballot box. Its called democracy. Nor is there any barrier to different ethnicities forming their own lobby group to engage with loony len and his fellow bunch of losers. Without knowing exactly what they are after, my only other comment would be that creating a political preference in favour of an ethnicity or other vested interest group outside the ballot box only subverts democracy. I don’t see how PIs can make any case at all for special representation.

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  39. RRM (9,447 comments) says:

    BLT Bagel combo with a brutal little black coffee. Excellent. It’s exactly what I want at that time in the morning. This leftie loves his McDs.

    What sort of loser are you Masturbaiter, if that’s the main thing you get out of my story?

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  40. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    Very busy this morning DaVinci.

    With that redundancy notice looming wouldn’t your time be better spent polishing your CV?

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  41. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    @ thedavincimode and James Stephenson: I don’t know what they’re asking for. I’m going from a two-week-old memory, and the original comment by immigant is going from who knows where.

    If anybody has an actual link, I’d be interested. Until then, everyone is just making assumptions.

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  42. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    There’s a thought Russ. I could do that while you sit there polishing your needle knob.

    How did that helium work out for you?

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  43. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    “There’s a thought Russ.”

    Don’t just think about it, do it.

    The market for redundant left wing political advisors is going to be pretty competitive for the next few decades.

    You’ll need to get a lot sharper if you want to stick with it.

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  44. Chuck Bird (4,682 comments) says:

    Gay men angry they can’t donate blood

    Published: 7:04PM Thursday June 14, 2012 Source: ONE News

    A group of gay men are fighting for the right to donate blood, saying they are being discriminated against.

    The outcry comes on world blood donor day.

    Tony Simpson is a gay man who believes he and other people like him should have the right to give blood.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/gay-men-angry-they-can-t-donate-blood-4929822

    I could not believe it when I went to the TVNZ website and seen a poll when 29% of viewers thought sexually active gay men be allowed to donate blood?

    It is incredible that the homosexual lobby has been able to con the public to this degree. How many liberals on this blog would be happy to receive blood from a sexually active homosexual man?

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  45. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    What’s matter Chuck, scared you’ll catch gay?
    You do know that blood, all blood, is tested before being given to someone right?

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  46. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    I can tell he’s trying; maybe he just needs some new material??

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  47. RRM (9,447 comments) says:

    Chuck – not sure if trolling? You know the screening picks up viral contamination just as well in “gay blood” as any other kind of blood, right?

    Right?

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  48. Scott Chris (5,878 comments) says:

    A group of gay men are fighting for the right to donate blood, saying they are being discriminated against.

    Yes they are being discriminated against and probably unnecessarily in view of modern blood screening methods. Same goes for prostitutes and Poms who lived in the UK at the height of the CJD outbreak.

    The policy just needs rational reassessment Chuck.

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  49. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    You’re not allowed to give blood if you’ve lived in the United Kingdom, France or the Republic of Ireland between 1980 and 1996 for a cumulative 6 months or more – I think that’s due to mad cow disease.

    Upsets my wife, as she used to be a regular donor, but she doesn’t go crying ‘discrimination’. These gay men need to harden up (so to speak).

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  50. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    “I can tell he’s trying; maybe he just needs some new material??”

    Funny that, I guess its exactly what your boss would be saying about you and your lame arsed Marxist crap.

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  51. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Chucky

    The poll just demonstrates that 29% of Kiwis are still ignorant homophobes. I take it you inhabit that sector?

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  52. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    True ignorance is using made up words like “homophobe”.

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  53. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    You also can’t donate if you have active acne, if you’ve taken non-prescription drugs, inhaled cocaine, have arthritis, severe asthma, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, active cold sores, a cold, corneal transplant – the list goes on.

    Standby for complaints of discrimination from spotties, Brits, frogs, Irish, druggies, old fogies, asthmatics, short-sighted gits …

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  54. immigant (950 comments) says:

    @RRM

    Never said I wasn’t racist.

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  55. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    I can’t donate because I have always imbibed serious amounts of alcohol the night before, am underweight and occasionally have cannabis in my blood stream. But I don’t think sexual preference is something to be concerned about

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  56. James Stephenson (2,024 comments) says:

    ignorant homophobes

    Or HIV-phobes. Putting donor screening in sequence with screening of the donated blood is an entirely sensible precaution. Blood is screened for Hep C, but there’s still a stand-down for people that have had tattoos.

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  57. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    which racist eastern european country are you from…imm..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  58. Scott Chris (5,878 comments) says:

    True ignorance is using made up words like “homophobe”.

    Redbaiiter, all words were once neologisms. For instance, here
    are some that that raving liberal William Shakespeare reputedly coined:

    accommodation
    aerial
    amazement
    apostrophe
    assassination
    auspicious
    baseless
    bloody
    bump
    castigate
    changeful
    clangor
    control (noun)
    countless
    courtship
    critic
    critical
    dexterously
    dishearten
    dislocate
    dwindle

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  59. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    The official line from NZ Blood is:

    “Deferrals for sexual behaviour are based on what you do or have done and not on sexual orientation. An independent expert review of the NZBS behavioural donor criteria in 2008 recommended a change to the donor acceptance criteria. Since March 2009 the criteria has been:

    You must not give blood for FIVE YEARS:

    Following oral or anal sex with or without a condom with another man (if you are male).”

    http://www.nzblood.co.nz/Give-blood/Donating/Detailed-eligibility-criteria

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  60. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    Even if true, Shakespeare never had the intent of propaganda.

    “Homophobe” is just nauseating Orwellian manipulation of language.

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  61. Yvette (2,690 comments) says:

    You must NEVER give blood if:
    • You, or any of your current (or past) sexual partners have (had) AIDS or a positive test for HIV.
    • You carry the Hepatitis B or C virus.
    • You have ever injected yourself, even once, with drugs not prescribed by a Doctor.
    • You have haemophilia or a related clotting disorder and have received treatment with plasma derived clotting factor concentrates at any time.
    • You think you need an HIV or Hepatitis test.

    You must not give blood for:
 FIVE YEARS:
    • Following oral or anal sex with or without a condom with another man (if you are male).
    • After engaging in sex work (prostitution) or accepting payment in exchange for sex in any country other than New Zealand.
    • After leaving a country in which you have lived and which is considered to be high risk of HIV infection (includes sub Saharan Africa and parts of Asia. Full list available at blood collection sessions or please call your local Donor Centre or 0800 GIVE BLOOD (0800 448 325) and speak to our Donor Staff to discuss your eligibility).

    You must not give blood for:
 ONE YEAR:
    • Following sex with anyone:
    ◦ whom you know carries the Hepatitis B or C virus.
    ◦ who is a sex worker (prostitute).
    ◦ who has ever injected themselves with drugs not prescribed by a Doctor.
    ◦ who lives in or comes from a country considered high risk for HIV infection.
    ◦ who has haemophilia or a related blood clotting disorder and received treatment with plasma derived clotting factor concentrates at any time.
    • After engaging in sex work (prostitution) or accepting payment in exchange for sex in New Zealand.
    • If you are a woman, after engaging in sex with a man who has had oral or anal sex with another man.

    – NZ Blood Service

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  62. Michael Mckee (1,091 comments) says:

    Well that all seems fair to me.
    What’s the fuss about then?

    As a guy you gobble another guy or take it up the arse you can’t give blood for 5 years.
    What about if a woman who does the same things with a guy?

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  63. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Dammit! These rules are homofobic and in some cases racist!
    Fucking governmnet needs to let people live!! Why won’t they let us live!!!???

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  64. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    If you’re really interested, here’s the 78 page “Independent expert review of the NZBS behavioural donor criteria”:

    http://www.nzblood.co.nz/content/download/218/1386/file/NZBS%20Behavioural%20Donor%20Deferral%20Criteria%20Review%20%20Final%20Report%20April%202008.pdf

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  65. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    Sheesh. No wonder there’s always a shortage of blood.

    Mckee

    Why, have you got one?

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  66. Paulus (2,500 comments) says:

    I see that the Malcom woman is going to Scotland because she likes to get “f…ed” by some dodgy Scotsman.
    Hope she stays there.

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  67. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    “No wonder there’s always a shortage of blood.”

    Being as you’re a journalist, I’d bet you’d fail on at least ninety percent of that criteria.

    (you’d probably get by the Sub Saharan restriction)

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  68. Chuck Bird (4,682 comments) says:

    Chuck – not sure if trolling? You know the screening picks up viral contamination just as well in “gay blood” as any other kind of blood, right?

    Wrong. Or at least it used to be wrong. A number of years ago there was 3 month window when someone could be infected with HIV and that infection could be detected. Like everything there have been improvements in detection. I know a bit about the subject but do not claim to be an expert but I am sure the people in charge of Blood Services here and in other counties know more on this topic than homosexual activists and libertarian ideologues.

    I quote from the link I gave.

    But the Aids Foundation is comfortable gay men aren’t being discriminated against.

    I find it amazing that 29% of the viewers think it okay for active homosexual men to donate blood in light of the reaction over an innocent HIV+ young boy.

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  69. Scott Chris (5,878 comments) says:

    In keeping with the spirit of vitriolic discourse prevalent on Kiwiblog General Debate, here’s a few choice Shakespearean insults to raise the tone a little:

    Thou subtle, perjur’d, false, disloyal man!

    Thou art like a toad; ugly and venemous.

    Thine forward voice, now, is to speak well of thine friend; thine backward voice is to utter foul speeches and to detract.

    Thou art a flesh-monger, a fool and a coward.

    A most notable coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

    Thy tongue outvenoms all the worms of Nile.

    You scullion! You rampallian! You fustilarian! I’ll tickle your catastrophe!

    Methink’st thou art a general offence and every man should beat thee.

    My wife’s a hobby horse!

    Thou art as loathsome as a toad.

    Go, prick thy face, and over-red thy fear, Thou lily-liver’d boy.

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  70. immigant (950 comments) says:

    I give blood on the regular. I already have been gifted a stainless steel coffee mug and an umbrella. 15 more donations I think I get a NZBlood jacket or at-shirt or something.

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  71. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    Ah, so you’re a journalist then. Tell us more. :)

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  72. Yvette (2,690 comments) says:

    Michael Mckee – What about if a woman who does the same things with a guy?

    You must not give blood for: ONE YEAR:
    • If you are a woman, after engaging in sex with a man who has had oral or anal sex with another man.

    A woman may have to take notes or recordings after questioning her partner :-)

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  73. Chuck Bird (4,682 comments) says:

    “What about if a woman who does the same things with a guy?”

    She can donate.

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  74. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    immigant

    A jacket!! They don’t make you wear it do they?? :(

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  75. Michael Mckee (1,091 comments) says:

    Chuck it was 33% when I voted a few minutes ago.
    Do you think we can get them disallowed for voting at the next election, due to lack of critical thinking skills? :-)

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  76. Michael Mckee (1,091 comments) says:

    Yvette
    oi vey that would take the passion out of the moment wouldn’t it?

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  77. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    Michelle Malkin summed up left wing journalists like Davinci quite well yesterday-

    “Apologists for the corruptocracy”.

    So true.

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  78. Michael Mckee (1,091 comments) says:

    Chuck
    So are they being discriminatory against Homosexual men as opposed to women who engage in the same way?

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  79. immigant (950 comments) says:

    @thedavincimode

    It’s more like fleece thing. I guess you don’t need to wear it if you don’t want to. :)
    Im not even sure I want one.

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  80. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    sneaky edit there …

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  81. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    immigant

    Give it to mallard so the prick can sell it on Trademe.

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  82. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    Hey Red baiter,

    Michelle Malkin is a crazed, batshit insane wingnut.

    [DPF: Tone ti down and stop trolling]

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  83. immigant (950 comments) says:

    @thedavincimode

    Ohhhh!! Burn! Take that Mallard!

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  84. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    Thanks for that opinion you crazed batshit insane wingnut.

    [DPF: Tone it down]

    Get a fucking life, The Contrarian used it first.

    Sigh-

    The same old same old lack of political objectivity.

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  85. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    Michelle Malkin lead the charge in the US to have a popular ad removed from TV because of a scarf she believed looked a little too Arab for her liking. She is insane.

    (sorry DPF – I am not trying to troll)

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  86. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    Hey TheContrarian,

    So’s m’baiter!

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  87. Chuck Bird (4,682 comments) says:

    So are they being discriminatory against Homosexual men as opposed to women who engage in the same way?

    I suppose that could be argued but the same could be said about prostitutes.

    Do you really beleive that NZ Blood Services should accept blood from homosexuals and prostitutes?

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  88. Michael Mckee (1,091 comments) says:

    Fathers Breakfast in Wellington this month.

    http://www.theparentingplace.com/index.php?option=com_pplace_events&view=detail&id=10708&back=week&Itemid=64

    Last years was very good, Gordon Tietjiens spoke very well.

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  89. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    Poor wee Davinci been busy with the complaint emails again has he?

    A whiner who can dish it out but can’t take it.

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  90. publicwatchdog (2,103 comments) says:

    Here you go Kiwibloggers!

    Sink your razor sharp gums into THIS one?

    :)

    NATIONAL DO NOT HAVE A MANDATE FOR ASSET SALES BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE A MAJORITY OF MPs.

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/asset-sales-legislation-mandate-approval-%E2%80%93-joyce-wb-121285

    I would have thought this is a ‘no-brainer’ – but it’s actually votes INSIDE Parliament that count when it comes to passing legislation?

    DUH?

    National have 59 out of 121 MPs.

    THAT is the number that counts?

    FIFTY-NINE out of 121 MPs is NOT a majority.

    National campaigned on ‘partial-privatisation’ and DID NOT GET A MAJORITY OF MPS.

    No majority = NO MANDATE.

    Can’t spell it out more clearly than that.

    :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    PS – checked out yet http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com ?

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  91. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    The same old same old lack of political objectivity.

    Classic. :lol:

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  92. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    Michelle Malkin

    The Progressive Climate of Hate

    http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

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  93. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    http://whoar.co.nz/2012/commentwhoar-policeman-tells-a-howler-of-a-lie/

    (this comes in a report of a cannabis bust in wellington..)

    ..here is the big-lie/’whopper’..

    “..Mr Thomson added: “Cannabis continues to be a harmful substance on a number of fronts.

    “One being the drain on our health system as it is the leading illicit drug involved in hospital admissions..”

    now..just recently..the head of the wellington hospital a&e cited in the media the reasons for drug admissions at wellington hospitals..as 500-1..alcohol vs. all other drugs…

    ..he also noted that he had ‘never ever had one admission for just cannabis’…

    ..now..who do/should we believe..?

    ..d’yareckon..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  94. Angus (536 comments) says:

    It seems that The Cuntrarian reads too many left wing propaganda blogs. Typical of a self described “classical-liberal”.

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  95. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    penny, why do you keep making the same mistake?
    You keep repeating something already shown to be false and I belief you KNOW to be false.

    “No majority = NO MANDATE” In an MMP election a party need not gain a majority to gain a mandate. If that were the case then there has been no mandate for any party since 1996.
    Your statement is incorrect.

    Can’t spell it out more clearly than that.

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  96. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “left wing propaganda blogs.”
    I read as many left wing blogs as I do right.

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  97. Yvette (2,690 comments) says:

    Penny
    Further, National campaigned on partial sale of SOE’s
    At no point did they say that by the end of 2012 Mighty River Power, for example, will have ceased to be an SOE.

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  98. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    “Classic. :lol:”

    Its just so typical of what happens here. The right wingers get pinged for something that the left wing said.

    I wasn’t even trying to be insulting. I was merely trying to make the point that The Contrarian’s post of pure opinion was completely worthless.

    And as usual, the (liberal) host races to reprimand me before he realises his error and too late takes it to the real culprit. (at least that’s how it looks)

    David Farrar has always shown bias against Conservatives.

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  99. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    Yvette bloody hell that is romantic, a bloke plies you with booze because he believes you are worth spending a bit of energy on and you bring out a ten page check list.

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  100. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    “I read as many left wing blogs as I do right.”

    Name three right wing blogs you read.

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  101. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    and yet another example of the quality journalism on offer at the herald..eh..?

    ..they just unquestioningly print this fucken lying propaganda…

    ..phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  102. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    RedBaiter, you should join http://www.conservapedia.com

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  103. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “Name three right wing blogs you read.”

    http://www.americanthinker.com
    http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com
    http://www.conservapedia.com (admittedly this one for humour because they are pretty crazed)

    I go home at lunch and watch Hannity on fox also. I don’t agree with conservatism (or far left politics for that matter) but I am certainly not ignorant of it.

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  104. dime (9,427 comments) says:

    graham – i know they arent looking for a hand out. they seem to be hinting at race based seats which i am against

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  105. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    The Contrarian- so thankful for Google.

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  106. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “The Contrarian- so thankful for Google.”

    If that was going to be your answer, why did you bother asking me?

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  107. James Stephenson (2,024 comments) says:

    http://www.conservapedia.com (admittedly this one for humour because they are pretty crazed)

    If anyone ever wanted a text book example of the truth of Poe’s law, that site is it.

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  108. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..Name three right wing blogs you read…”

    i am in this rolling sweepstake around that almost comotose blog run by big bruv and those other two righties..

    ..’cos y’see..in a year..the three of them have only been able to muster 15 posts between them..(heh..!..barren-brains..or what..?..)

    ..so the sweepstake is..will a post appear today..?

    ..the answer usually is..no..

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  109. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    @James – Conservapedia is for real. It is run by Andrew Schlafly who is the son of Phyllis Schlafly. She is a very well known US conservative.

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  110. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    dime – got a link? I read about this two weeks ago, but can’t find any info now.

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  111. Yvette (2,690 comments) says:

    Yvette bloody hell that is romantic, a bloke plies you with booze because he believes you are worth spending a bit of energy on and you bring out a ten page check list.
    _________________________
    Only if you want to donate blood.
    Otherwise you just have to moderate the amount of blood he dilutes if he intends to do anything with it.
    As someone above mentioned, males seem to have only enough to operate the brain or the equipment one at the time, not both together, and increasing the blood volume with ‘anti-freeze’ seems to be counter-productive.

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  112. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    m’baiter 11:38 am

    A whiner who can dish it out but can’t take it.

    m’baiter 11:58 am

    Its just so typical of what happens here. The right wingers get pinged for something that the left wing said.

    I wasn’t even trying to be insulting. I was merely trying to make the point that The Contrarian’s post of pure opinion was completely worthless.

    And as usual, the (liberal) host races to reprimand me before he realises his error and too late takes it to the real culprit. (at least that’s how it looks)

    David Farrar has always shown bias against Conservatives.

    Oh dear, you poor old thing. I nearly had a wee sob myself then. Here ya go [hanky font]. :)

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  113. KevinH (1,131 comments) says:

    The Asset sales bill passed by just one vote 61-60:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7108265/Asset-sales-legislation-clears-another-hurdle.

    Although a tight result it nevertheless illustrates that the vote was democratic, and that the debate was vocal and fully contested.

    P.S. This was the second reading of the Bill.

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  114. James Stephenson (2,024 comments) says:

    Conservapedia is for real

    But is it readily distinguishable from parody? I think not.

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  115. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    Oh right, I see what you mean. Indeed, Poe’s law action.

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  116. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    “Oh dear, you poor old thing. I nearly had a wee sob myself then”

    Was that before or after your complaint email?

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  117. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    Yvette, what,you want conversation as well, yep women are never satisfied :-)

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  118. adze (1,863 comments) says:

    NATIONAL DO NOT HAVE A MANDATE FOR ASSET SALES BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE A MAJORITY OF MPs.

    BZZZZT…. Sorry, try again. The UF and ACT seats are part of the coalition agreement, and they both support the mixed ownership model (as does NZ First and Labour, if they were honest – cf. their support for the partial sale of Auckland Airport and Air NZ while they were in government). And with those two seats there is a majority.

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  119. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    @adze

    I have pointed this out to Penny before yet she willfully ignores it and continues to promote something she KNOWS to be false.

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  120. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    And Penny also continues to deny that she has STOLEN water, encouraged others to STEAL water, STOLEN electricity (as part of the Occupy movement), and VANDALISED AND DEFACED the billboards of her opponents while standing for public office.

    She seems to be very adept at sticking her fingers in her ears and going, “Nyah nyah nyah, I can’t hear you … I’m not listening!”

    (Edit: And then proclaiming to all and sundry that she’s right, and nobody has been able to prove otherwise … :))

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  121. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    If the Nats are selling assets owned by the NZ public I take it there is no reason that Labour cannot tell any foreigners that when they get back in power they will take back the assets for the same price as they were sold for ?
    Which merchant bank is involved this time ?

    Is Sky city foreign owned ? would that be why Key is so keen on them having a lot more pokies ?

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  122. RRM (9,447 comments) says:

    This Leftie finds it amusing that precious few people (outside of Labour party members and full-time political activists / protestors / smelly people) has a problem with the partial asset sales. :-)

    Why is it “treasonous” to say that the state should not be in the business of owning companies, again?

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  123. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    gee r.r.m..

    ..how about those polls that make a complete lie of what you claim..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  124. adze (1,863 comments) says:

    Contrarian/graham
    Maybe it’s that weird hat she wears that blocks inconvenient facts and contrary opinion :)

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  125. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    Adze:
    This is why I haven’t written on my own blog for so long – people like Penny.
    I can’t hack it, it really angers me to see people lying, openly and honestly, with themselves and others. Ignoring inconvenient facts and spouting things KNOWN to be false but saying it anyway. Both he left and right do it and it’s revolting, dishonest and downright lacking in any integrity.

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  126. Manolo (13,362 comments) says:

    As close as a rock star as you can get. Kiss the ground where the Messiah stood: http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-rt-us-annawintour-obamabre85c1fv-20120613,0,5114066.story

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  127. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    “Both he left and right do it and it’s revolting, dishonest and downright lacking in any integrity.”

    What a contemptible hypocrite.

    Your claim that Michelle Malkin is insane has no basis in fact.

    You made it up.

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  128. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    Insane as in her crazed opinions not insane as in medically.

    Some of her actions have been rather…odd.

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  129. Manolo (13,362 comments) says:

    The Contrarian, you’re entirely wrong about Michelle Malkin, who is an excellent conservative political comentator.
    I commend to your attention her book Obama, Culture of Corruption.

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  130. KevinH (1,131 comments) says:

    Clayton Cosgrove admits that Labour got it wrong:

    “Describing the bill’s return to Parliament as a “dark day for New Zealand”, Mr Cosgrove admitted Labour had gone down the privatisation path in the past, but “learnt from its mistakes” and bought assets back.”

    Kiwirail was not an attractive purchase , it was a stripped out shell requiring billions of reinvestment which could of being averted if Labour had some business nous when they sold it.

    “A crowd of around 50 people gathered outside Parliament in the early afternoon to protest against the policy.”

    Not exactly a huge crowd of opposition, Penny’s rent a crowd didn’t show.

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  131. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “you’re entirely wrong about Michelle Malkin…[she] is an excellent conservative political comentator”

    As I am not a conservative I’d have to take your word for it. To me she comes of shrill and slightly crazed…like Ann Coulter.

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  132. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    Give an example of a “crazed” opinion from Malkin.

    Back up your cowardly smears with a fact for once.

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  133. kowtow (7,616 comments) says:

    At least we know who Michelle Malkin is and her blog has her name on it.

    Who is the c@ntrarian?

    Call her all the nasty names you like but she has the balls to front up? Does c@ntrarian?

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  134. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “Give an example of a “crazed” opinion from Malkin.”

    Her campaign against a scarf which appeared on a dunkin dougnuts ad was pretty out there.

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  135. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    Pathetic.

    So that’s what makes you categorise someone as “crazy”?

    Malkin had some well reasoned points in respect to a scarf worn by the Palestinian terror squads.

    Far more reasoned than anything you have said on this thread today.

    Gawd, now I am reminded as to why I don’t usually waste my time with the surfeit of Marxist derelicts who frequent Kiwiblog.

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  136. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    Hilarious. On the standard I am a Tory conservative and on Kiwiblog someone calls me a Marxist. Wonderful.

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  137. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    Using the Standard as any kind of reference point on Conservatism is a clear sign of mental retardation.

    Who is the real crazy person here?

    Clearly not Michelle Malkin.

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  138. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    And before I go for lunch..Malkin claiming that the memorial to flight 93 was in fact a secret muslim symbol and that her own views on immigration would have disqualified herself from being a US citizen seem pretty crazed to me also.

    “Using the Standard as any kind of reference point on Conservatism is a clear sign of mental retardation.”
    yes but I wasn’t doing that – I was comparing your claim that I was a Marxist to their claim I am a conservative. Both claims are without merit and are as asinine as each other

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  139. RRM (9,447 comments) says:

    Hilarious. On the standard I am a Tory conservative and on Kiwiblog someone calls me a Marxist. Wonderful.

    Do you ever get the feeling that most political type people on the internet don’t have a very balanced view of reality?

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  140. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    “Both claims are without merit”

    You are clearly a Marxist (just read the left wing crap on your blog) and prone to smearing right wingers with cowardly allegations of insanity. This hardly gives you grounds to try and place yourself above the common political fray. That you try to do so also marks you as delusional.

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  141. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    RRM

    What, like when some batshit crazy wingnut at one end of what that wingnut perceives to be a political spectrum, takes what some other batshit crazy wingnut at the opposite end of the perceived political spectrum says in order to substantiate some batshit crazy theory?

    eg Michelle Malkin.

    You mean like that? :)

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  142. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    Glad you said “perceived”.

    It ain’t the political spectrum.

    Here in NZ, its just an incredibly stunted and limited part of it.

    Over on the far far left.

    It explains why a Marxist like you can pass themselves off as right wing.

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  143. mikenmild (10,688 comments) says:

    Yes, Michelle Malkin is insane, or is faking insanity in a particularly sincere fashion.

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  144. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    Great to see you’re better after your wee sob old thing.

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  145. James Stephenson (2,024 comments) says:

    Ok, I think we need this checklist Red, what are the qualifications in ‘baiter-world to be a right winger?

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  146. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    … this will be interesting …

    A voyage into into the murky recesses of the ‘baiters mind. Scary stuff and not for the faint-hearted.

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  147. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    “Ok, I think we need this checklist Red”

    Whatever makes you think I would have the interest energy or inclination to explain such things to you. I have articles on Conservatism on my blog. Look them up.

    Here’s one example-

    http://truebluenz.com/2011/11/30/conservatism-post-number-1-mark-levin/

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  148. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    Any interesting photography tips and articles on your blog Russ?

    Could you post a link?

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  149. Manolo (13,362 comments) says:

    From RB’s link:
    “In the civil society, private property and liberty are inseparable. The individual’s right to live freely and safely and pursue happiness includes the right to acquire and possess property, which represents the fruits of his own intellectual and/or physical labor. As the individual’s time on earth is finite, so, too, is his labor. The illegitimate denial or diminution of his private property enslaves him to another and denies him his liberty.”

    Very well said.

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  150. James Stephenson (2,024 comments) says:

    Whatever makes you think I would have the interest energy or inclination to explain such things to you.

    Because I asked? Because it seems reasonable to back up and elucidate the statements you’re making about other posters in the forum?

    Would it help if I said “please”?

    Should I boil it down to asking whether you think it’s possible to be “right-wing” and not “conservative”? I get the sense, given your statements earlier and the link you posted to your blog, that the answer might be in the negative.

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  151. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    Fuck off, I have no inclination to be interrogated by pompous presumptuous pretentious asses such as yourself and you’d be nuts to assume I would allow myself to be.

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  152. James Stephenson (2,024 comments) says:

    @manolo – I can go with that absolutely, which is why I describe myself as a “right winger” but also from the link:

    tempered, however, by a moral order that has its foundation in faith

    No, I can’t go with that.

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  153. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    So you’re a nihilist?

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  154. James Stephenson (2,024 comments) says:

    Interrogated? Sheesh, it’s only a question, not waterboarding.

    Thanks for the “pompous” and “pretentious” though, that’ll have my footy mates rolling in the aisles tomorrow.

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  155. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    Can you wait until I get home to carry this on please, I don’t have any popcorn at work.

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  156. adze (1,863 comments) says:

    Can property only be legitimately claimed if it is the product of one’s own labour (whether intellectual or physical)?

    What about unclaimed natural resources – by what principle can they be sold if they were not made or purchased to begin with?

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  157. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “In the civil society, private property and liberty are inseparable. The individual’s right to live freely and safely and pursue happiness includes the right to acquire and possess property, which represents the fruits of his own intellectual and/or physical labor. As the individual’s time on earth is finite, so, too, is his labor. The illegitimate denial or diminution of his private property enslaves him to another and denies him his liberty.”

    Agree. How very Marxist of me

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  158. James Stephenson (2,024 comments) says:

    Nihilist? Depends how you’re defining the word, but if you’re pursunig the moral angle then the answer is no, I have a moral framework derived from a rational, human source. I also think it’s reasonable to suggest that human society wouldn’t have evolved to the point of codifying any religion if our basic moral behaviour wasn’t already in place.

    Was it yesterday that I posted this PZ Myers link:http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/05/22/the-objective-morality-gotcha/?

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  159. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    “I have a moral framework derived from a rational, human source.”

    What’s that source?

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  160. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    Reminds me of the Young Ones.

    Rik: “Don’t be so blinking bourgeoisie, Vyvyan. All property is theft.”
    Vyvyan: “All right – where’s your girly purse? Ah ha, found it!”
    Rik: “Stop! Stop! That’s my personal property!”
    Neil: “You just said, all property is theft.”
    Rik: “Ah … well … yes, it is, but …”
    Vyvyan: “Yeah, so I’m nicking it.”

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  161. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “What’s that source?”

    Humans are evolutionary hardwired to be social animals

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  162. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    The US Army is currently celebrating 237 years of genocide, invasion, mass murder (conventional and nuclear), colonization and generally unadulterated mayhem for nearly two and a half centuries, amongst less than a handful of actions with degrees of usefulness.

    Happy birthday, US Army.

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  163. James Stephenson (2,024 comments) says:

    What’s that source?

    The Pharyngula link says it with an eloquence I can’t improve upon, but essentially, self-interest. I believe it’s in my self-interest to treat others in the way I would wish to be treated.

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  164. Longknives (4,454 comments) says:

    I like how anybody who isn’t a fan of Obama is either “racist” or “insane”……
    I think he is an average President, certainly not the worst but definitely not the “Messiah’ as his followers would believe- Does that make me “racist”??

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  165. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    I don’t like Obama much myself.

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  166. mikenmild (10,688 comments) says:

    Luc
    I think if you count the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Civil War, First World War, Second World War, Korean War, Gulf 1 at a very minimum, you get at least a handul of ‘useful’ contributions.

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  167. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    Oh the US army committed genocide but with your buddies Pol Pot, Joe Stalin, Chairman Mao, Fidel and all the rest, its not the blood of hundreds of millions on their hands but red paint. Fucking dipshit commie troll.

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  168. Manolo (13,362 comments) says:


    The US Army is currently celebrating 237 years of genocide, invasion, mass murder..


    Yes, the same brave army that saved your bacon, otherwise you would be speaking Japanese and tilling fields.
    Luc, your hatred of the US is patently absurd.

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  169. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    You “believe”? I thought you had previously eschewed “faith”.

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  170. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    funny story..!

    ‘kowtow’ sneers at ‘contrarian’…

    ..for using a fake-name…

    ..and without the slightest hint of irony…

    .(.you couldn’t write this stuff..)

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  171. Ryan Sproull (7,029 comments) says:

    Humans are evolutionary hardwired to be social animals

    That may explain your desire to be nice, but it doesn’t follow that you therefore should be.

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  172. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “That may explain your desire to be nice, but it doesn’t follow that you therefore should be.”

    Because as social animals we need to have a society that runs smoothly (more or less) because then the benefit for you, as an individual, is enhanced.
    If our social nature breaks down it becomes much more difficult.

    Think of a termite mound, when that runs smoothly and socially the mound flourishes. When social systems break down and the colony will collapse. Same with wolf packs, ants and any other social species you care to name.

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  173. publicwatchdog (2,103 comments) says:

    Here you go Kiwibloggers!

    Some reasoned and considered DEBATE?

    (I live in hope …………… :)

    DEBATE WITH CHRIS TROTTER ON WHETHER OR NOT NATIONAL HAS A ‘MANDATE’ FOR ASSET SALES:

    Chris wrote: “You fundamentally misunderstand the concept of an electoral mandate, Penny. The last election was a classic example of a clear choice offered to an electorate: To Sell or Keep the State’s assets. The combination of parties favouring the sale of state assets won a majority of the seats in the House of Representatives. They are, therefore, perfectly within their rights to claim an electoral mandate for their programme. There was no hidden agenda. There were no tricks. If NZ had wanted to keep the assets it would have, collectively, given more votes to the parties opposing asset sales. Clearly, NZ did not do this. And, I’m sorry, but the 800,000 who did not vote cannot be factored into this equation. They took themselves out of the game. End of story.”

    Penny Bright How about ‘SEEKING TRUTH FROM FACTS’ Chris?

    THIS is what United Future’s Peter Dunne and ACT’s John Banks actually campaigned on during the 2011 election. I suggest you read it carefully?

    http://www.unitedfuture.org.nz/elections/

    Asset Sales

    The National has a manifesto that includes asset sales. New Zealanders need to start a proper debate on the future limits of those sales.

    To this point there has not been a proper national debate beyond National saying ‘yes’ and Labour saying ‘no’.

    We need a conversation that is more detailed and drills down into what New Zealanders really think are acceptable bottom lines.

    New Zealanders are not definitively pro-asset sales, but under certain conditions, it is no longer the bogeyman issue that Labour would have you believe.

    UnitedFuture’s role as a support partner is not just to contribute its own policies, but to help keep a government to a reasonable, centrist path.

    UnitedFuture says let’s start with three no-go areas where there would be no asset sales, not now, not ever

    Kiwibank, Radio New Zealand and the water supply should be ruled out of any future asset sales programmes

    Kiwibank is in every sense now a national institution, whether you bank with it or not. And in a market full of Australian-owned banks, and an increasingly fraught and troubled globe, it is both a symbolic and practical statement of our economic sovereignty. Collectively, it is ours pure and simple. It must stay that way.

    Radio New Zealand exists in an increasingly commercial media marketplace, and it is more important than ever to have a voice that does not bend to the dollar, to ratings, or to external forces. Every nation needs its own voice and we need to afford that voice our collective protection.

    Water. UnitedFuture does not intend to wait until it is on the asset sales agenda. New Zealanders would never – or should never – accept a sell-off of the supply of the water, or any of the aspects around it.

    In addition, with regard to Asset Sales, UnitedFuture will insist that:

    - The New Zealand Government retains majority control (51%)

    - Shareholding by private investors be capped at 15%

    - New Zealand household investors are given preferential purchase right at time of issue.
    _____________________________________________________

    http://www.act.org.nz/policies/state-owned-assets

    STATE OWNED ASSETS

    Government ownership of businesses and major assets has long been a controversial policy area. Over the past thirty years, many countries from the United Kingdom to India have embraced privatisation, selling previously state owned enterprises. From 1979 to 2002 over a trillion dollars of government assets were transferred from the public to the private sectors globally, and the proportion of the world economy made up by government businesses reduced to six per cent from twelve. As the World Bank recently observed: “Privatisation is now so widespread that it is hard to find countries not using the approach: North Korea, Cuba and perhaps Myanmar make up the shrunken universe of the resistant.”

    New Zealand has been a strong participant in this trend, with thirty privatisations having taken place since the mid 1980’s. Despite a few high profile failures and perceived failures, the vast majority of these have been uncontroversial and successful. Nobody today seriously believes that the Ministry of Works or New Zealand Steel, for examples, should be renationalised.

    The comprehensive international evidence after thirty years of mass privatisations worldwide is that privatisation improves the productivity of firms. The firms produce more valuable goods and services for the amount invested in them.

    Currently a debate around the potential sale of several government-owned electricity generators and coal company Solid Energy, the National party has said that they would like to sell non-controlling shares in these assets. ACT supports this policy. Privatisation is not primarily a way to get cash for the government, although that is often a justification given for it. Rather, privatisation is primarily a way to maximise the productivity of assets and companies in the economy.

    Partial privatisation exposes the firms to an element of market discipline, as private investors will demand commercial standard reporting and disclosure. As a step towards better productivity in the New Zealand economy, partial privatisation is a worthwhile policy.

    In the last parliamentary term, with ACT’s pressure and support, the government:

    • Opened up the debate about privatising some State Owned Enterprises.

    ACT will continue to advocate for sensible SOE policy. A Party vote for ACT is a vote to:

    • Continue a rational, evidence based debate about the role of government ownership in the economy.
    _____________________________________________________

    Penny Bright

    In my considered opinion Chris – you need to do some basic MATHS. NATIONAL campaigned on asset sales – and received enough votes to get a MINORITY of 59 out of 121 MPs.

    Arguably, according to United Future and ACT stated policy during the 2011 election – both of them should support a referendum on asset sales? (United Future – Peter Dunne) ” We need a conversation that is more detailed and drills down into what New Zealanders really think are acceptable bottom lines” .

    (ACT – John Banks “ACT will continue to advocate for sensible SOE policy. A Party vote for ACT is a vote to:
    • Continue a rational, evidence based debate about the role of government ownership in the economy.”

    ______________________________________________________________________________________________

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  174. Longknives (4,454 comments) says:

    “The US Army is currently celebrating 237 years of genocide, invasion, mass murder ”

    I strongly suggest you study some history my friend….

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  175. Manolo (13,362 comments) says:

    Mrs Dim, nobody here reads your inane, incoherent, rantings. Just piss off. :-)

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  176. adze (1,863 comments) says:

    Sorry Penny, the reality is that both UF and Act support the MOM. That means the government has a (slim, but clear) majority.

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  177. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    What Penny means by “reasoned and considered debate”.

    She tells us what to believe.
    We’re meant to believe it.

    We tell her what we think.
    She ignores it.

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  178. publicwatchdog (2,103 comments) says:

    Made a formal complaint to the Police yet Graham?

    Anonymous, gutless, bleater?

    Thought not.

    PUT UP or SHUT UP.

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone,com

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  179. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    Dear Penny

    No.

    graham
    Attendee: Royal Wedding 2011 (watched it on telly)
    Attendee: Grand Final Sheep Racing Helensville A&P 2011 and 2012

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  180. Manolo (13,362 comments) says:

    The dim Mrs Dim isn’t even capable of getting her signature’s website address right (a comma instead of a dot).
    What an accomplished mediocrity she is.

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  181. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    Y’see, Penny, I am, in fact, in total agreement with two particular points of your “Draft Action Plan”. These points, specifically:

    4. Legislate for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else).

    5. Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002 for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.

    In all seriousness, I think the behaviour of some of our MPs over the past years has been quite disgusting. And I completely endorse the sentiment that those people who make the rules for everyone else, should be held accountable. I have found it quite bizarre that we allow people such as Hone Harawira into Parliament, when he openly states that he will not obey the laws of the land if he happens to disagree with them.

    And I’m equally in agreement with the sentiment of point 5, extending this ‘Code of Conduct’ to Local Government elected representatives. So, presumably, somebody standing for public office who was found to have STOLEN water, encouraged others to STEAL water, and STOLEN electricity (as part of the Occupy movement), would not be looked upon very favourably under this ‘Code of Conduct’. And as for somebody standing for public office who proceeded to VANDALISE AND DEFACE the billboards of her opponents during the campaign – that wouldn’t be very seemly, now would it?

    As long as you continue to bleat on about anybody you don’t like, I’ll feel free to do the same. And when it comes to ‘bleating’ – well, how many pages and pages and pages and pages of crap have you written and posted, here and on your websites (as in, multiple) and on Whaleoil (until you got banned) and The Standard, and …

    I think you’re just a wee bit more guilty of bleating than I am.

    graham
    Attendee: Royal Wedding 2011 (watched it on telly)
    Attendee: Grand Final Sheep Racing Helensville A&P 2011 and 2012

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  182. Nostradamus (2,943 comments) says:

    Hmmm…

    Penny Bright How about ‘SEEKING TRUTH FROM FACTS’ Chris?

    THIS is what United Future’s Peter Dunne and ACT’s John Banks actually campaigned on during the 2011 election. I suggest you read it carefully?

    Yes, let’s read it carefully, you dopey bint.

    New Zealanders are not definitively pro-asset sales, but under certain conditions, it is no longer the bogeyman issue that Labour would have you believe.

    In addition, with regard to Asset Sales, UnitedFuture will insist that:

    - The New Zealand Government retains majority control (51%)

    - Shareholding by private investors be capped at 15%

    - New Zealand household investors are given preferential purchase right at time of issue.

    In favour of asset sales? Tick!

    Currently a debate around the potential sale of several government-owned electricity generators and coal company Solid Energy, the National party has said that they would like to sell non-controlling shares in these assets. ACT supports this policy.

    In favour of asset sales? Tick!

    Now piss off.

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  183. publicwatchdog (2,103 comments) says:

    But what happens if DODGY John Banks was forced to resign, as did former National MPs and Ministers Richard Worth and Pansy Wong?

    What would THAT do to the vote on the Mixed Ownership Model Bill?

    Do YOU think that John Banks is ‘fit for duty’?

    Seen the formal complaints to the Police (for alleged electoral fraud) and the SFO for alleged ‘bribery and corruption’?

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

    You see – some of us don’t just whine on blogs – we actually DO SOMETHING about it?

    (You want to try that sometime – gutless ‘Graham’? :)

    Seen those LOVELY banners which have graced the streets of the Epsom electorate now on MANY occasions?

    They’ve been getting a positive response from probably FAR too many people from your point of view.

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com ‘Give a grrl a banner”

    It’s a very popular website – but probably not with dodgy John Banks or shonky John Key.

    Or a lot of whining Kiwibloggers?

    (Meant of course, in a caring way).

    You all have a LOVELY day!

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

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  184. publicwatchdog (2,103 comments) says:

    At least you’re consistent in your doing nothing but continuous and boring bleating ‘Graham’?

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  185. Nostradamus (2,943 comments) says:

    But what happens if DODGY John Banks was forced to resign, as did former National MPs and Ministers Richard Worth and Pansy Wong?

    What would THAT do to the vote on the Mixed Ownership Model Bill?

    So you acknowledge that there is currently an election-based mandate for asset sales then. *Buzz* You are the weakest link. Goodbye!

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  186. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    Oh I know you do something about it Penny.

    But I still find the idea of someone who has STOLEN water, encouraged others to STEAL water, STOLEN electricity (as part of the Occupy movement), and VANDALISED AND DEFACED the billboards of her opponents during a campaign in which she was standing, accusing others of dodgy behaviour and dishonourable activities, hypocritical in the extreme.

    graham
    Attendee: Royal Wedding 2011 (watched it on telly)
    Attendee: Grand Final Sheep Racing Helensville A&P 2011 and 2012

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  187. Longknives (4,454 comments) says:

    Penny- You don’t like John Banks then?

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  188. Scott Chris (5,878 comments) says:

    Insane as in her crazed opinions not insane as in medically.

    Funny you should mention that. Seems the subject of in/sanity is a highly contentious one in Norway at the moment:

    …forensic psychiatrists Synne Soerheim and Torgeir Husby published their report last year, concluding he was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia when he killed 77 people in his Oslo car bombing and mass shooting at a Labour Party youth camp in Utoeya.

    That led to an outcry from victims and their legal representatives, who wanted Breivik to be held accountable for his actions.

    A second psychiatric report was commissioned, and it concluded Breivik suffered personality disorders, but that he was not psychotic and unaccountable for his actions in the face of the law.

    Question is: How mad do you have to be? After all, most of us are a little nuts.

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  189. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    And you’re consistent in accusing others of wrong-doing, while refusing to own up to your own wrong-doing Penny.

    Wow – I just noticed this:

    continuous and boring bleating ‘Graham’

    Penny Bright, of all people, accusing anybody else at all of ‘continuous boring bleating’. Just … wow. What can I say?! :)

    graham
    Attendee: Royal Wedding 2011 (watched it on telly)
    Attendee: Grand Final Sheep Racing Helensville A&P 2011 and 2012

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  190. George Patton (349 comments) says:

    Pill popping Penny – we should feel sorry for her really.

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  191. adze (1,863 comments) says:

    Clearly graham you need a hat that looks like it was owned by Daniel Boone’s auntie. :)

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  192. Scott Chris (5,878 comments) says:

    Do you ever get the feeling that most political type people on the internet don’t have a very balanced view of reality?

    Which reality are you talking about?

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  193. Ryan Sproull (7,029 comments) says:

    Because as social animals we need to have a society that runs smoothly (more or less) because then the benefit for you, as an individual, is enhanced.
    If our social nature breaks down it becomes much more difficult.

    Think of a termite mound, when that runs smoothly and socially the mound flourishes. When social systems break down and the colony will collapse. Same with wolf packs, ants and any other social species you care to name.

    That’s just long-form self-interest, then.

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  194. Scott Chris (5,878 comments) says:

    That may explain your desire to be nice, but it doesn’t follow that you therefore should be.

    It does within the context of meme evolution in that ‘being nice’ appears to be a successful behavioural trait.

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  195. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “That’s just long-form self-interest”

    Yes and no – in animals of higher intelligence yes possibly but it evolved from a position (waxing theory now as opposed to established fact) where self interest wasn’t a factor. Looking at the termite mound the whole thing is geared to keeping the queen alive and ensuring the next generation and self interest doesn’t exist.

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  196. James Stephenson (2,024 comments) says:

    You “believe”? I thought you had previously eschewed “faith”

    Faith is belief without evidence, I only believe stuff I have evidence to support.

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  197. Scott Chris (5,878 comments) says:

    Looking at the termite mound the whole thing is geared to keeping the queen alive and ensuring the next generation and self interest doesn’t exist.

    Depends whether you’re talking about speciel self interest or individual self interest. It a termite is attacked by a wasp, it will attempt to survive out of immediate individual self interest, but ultimately out of genetic self-interest. Can’t see how that model is any different to human society.

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  198. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    “Faith is belief without evidence, I only believe stuff I have evidence to support.”

    Oh, like the jurors who convicted Lindy Chamberlain.

    (Man you talk some confusing shit)

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  199. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    The revolting old prick Bill Cornelius has got away with his crimes.

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  200. James Stephenson (2,024 comments) says:

    Lindy Chamberlain? Where did that tangent come from (and you accuse me of talking confusing shit)?

    Disclaimer on the “only believe” stuff: I have been known to claim that Tranmere Rovers are the world’s greatest football team, which obviously doesn’t meet the required evidential standard :D

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  201. Yvette (2,690 comments) says:

    Davy Crockett coonskin hat very popular back in the late 1950s, early 60s when we still also had pounds, shillings and Penny’s
    and could still say ‘coon’

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  202. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “Faith is belief without evidence, I only believe stuff I have evidence to support.”

    If you have evidence then you don’t need faith.

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  203. mikenmild (10,688 comments) says:

    He’s pretty bad cha, but if he’s lost his marbles then then not much to be done. One hopes that it is a degree of dementia that means he is under permanent care – wouldn’t like to think he is free to wander around Whanganui.

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  204. Don the Kiwi (1,590 comments) says:

    So, our court system is based in large part on the evidence of witnesses – nothing necessarily empirical about that, just a determination of whether or not the witness is reliable and believable.

    So do you , then, accept the statements of reliable witnesses?

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  205. Longknives (4,454 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7111111/Man-admits-Olivia-Hope-delusion-repugnant

    Personally- I think Electroconvulsive treatment should be compulsory for all Watson, Lundy and Bain supporters….

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  206. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    Scott Chris Real political types are those who believe the politicians of their party are just out to serve the public and are not self serving bastards, in fact no MP of their party would ever be self serving.
    Politicians have the utter fucking cheek to whine that the public is cynical about politicians.

    I blame the education system.

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  207. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “So, our court system is based in large part on the evidence of witnesses – nothing necessarily empirical about that, just a determination of whether or not the witness is reliable and believable.
    So do you , then, accept the statements of reliable witnesses?”

    Sure but a statement from a reliable witness is usually backed up by second hand evidence. If my wife who i consider a reliable witness claims to have seen a UFO and describes what she saw I might not necessarily believe it was UFO because based on her description it might fit better with being a meteor or weather balloon.

    But if a reliable witness claims to have seen an Elephant with a pogo stick for a nose then no matter how reliable they are I wouldn’t believe them because no such thing has ever been shown to exist.

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  208. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    milkymouldy

    Presumably there was some point in the judge deciding that on the balance of probabilities he committed the crimes; perhaps as a pre-cursor to locking him up a a general hazzard. But if so, very curious that he might be permitted to wander off free at that point.

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  209. Don the Kiwi (1,590 comments) says:

    Now you’re just being contrary. :-)

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  210. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    heh

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  211. Keeping Stock (10,100 comments) says:

    Personally, I think Penny’s got the hots for John Banks.

    I never thought I’d say this, but poor Banksie!

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  212. Lucia Maria (2,207 comments) says:

    Grumpyoldhori,

    Yes,yes, I know there are far too many women MPs of all parties who should be on a water only diet for three months.

    Um, what about the men?

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  213. Scott Chris (5,878 comments) says:

    I blame the education system.

    Grumpy, I blame adversarial democracy. (not that I can think of a better system)

    Mind you, I agree that if people were better educated, it would force politicians to behave differently.

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  214. Nostradamus (2,943 comments) says:

    Hmmm…

    Here’s something that Phil won’t add to his big commercial model news/opinion site [Americans pulled out] news aggregator website [eyesore] copy-and-paste project:

    A US man convicted of child abuse for forcing his three grandsons on a gruelling hike in the Grand Canyon was sentenced to 27 months in prison today, the minimum term the judge could have imposed.

    During trial, defence lawyer Jeffrey Williams portrayed Carlson as an active health nut who had a firm hand and wanted to show the boys the world. Like anyone after a long hike, the boys were tired, hungry and thirsty, but Carlson only allowed the boys to eat healthy food such as tofu, hummus and vegie burgers, Mr Williams said.

    Prosecutors told jurors that Carlson deprived the boys of food and water during the hikes. The boys reported that they did get some water, but not always enough, and ate celery and other snacks during the hike.

    Oh dear… sounds like they needed some juicy steaks.

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  215. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    When Redbaiter was having his wee wank earlier on today, sprinkled amongst the spittle were a few legible sentences lamenting the lack of a truly conservative, right wing presence in Parliament. The Great Blogger obviously sees this as proof that NZ has suddenly done a U turn & is heading down the toilet.

    I’ve always had an interest in politics & come from a politically aware if not politically active family. While I realise that time has taken its toll on Russell’s meagre collection of braincells some of us have weathered the storm in a somewhat better shape. National is a broad based party & it has never been truly conservative nor far right. Indeed the National Party that I first voted for in 1969 is not unrecognisable from National today.

    Poor Red… the Clozapine has taken a heavy toll.

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  216. Longknives (4,454 comments) says:

    Sweet Jesus Nostradamus! Making those kids hike the Grand Canyon was bad enough but forcing them to endure a Vegan diet?? Oh the humanity…(Imagine walking the Grand Canyon in 40deg heat knowing that your reward at the end is not a cold beer but a celery stick..)

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  217. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    sprinkled amongst the spittle

    lol.

    Did you catch his little sob as well? I expect he was the little loner at school who always ran to bleat to the teacher. lol

    And this from the lunatic who dreams of going down in a hail of bullets fighting the mussie/pinko hordes!!! :lol:

    What a fuckwit. :)

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  218. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    thedavincimode

    He sure disturbed a few electrons today…..unfortunately I missed the fun but tomorrow morning the dayroom computer will be turned on again.

    If we can’t have intelligent debate we’ll have to settle for the disintegration of a twisted mind.

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  219. Leaping Jimmy (15,942 comments) says:

    Indeed the National Party that I first voted for in 1969 is not unrecognisable from National today.

    Urbanisation + MMP = the removal of the rural powerbase.

    This has been deterimental to NZers because farmers are nothing if not pragmatic business people. Hence over the decades we have become gradually more concerned with/captivated by idiotic mental fuck-headed irrelevant PC psychobabble bullshit that idiots who don’t understand who grew up in the cities with the dairy down the road and no sense of real life, cannot tell is fallacious.

    This is why for most of the last century, National was the “natural” party of govt. But those days are gone forever. And look what’s happened. The poison has spread beyond the mere Liarbore idiots and now the city folk have gone and spawned the entirely mental, utterly useless and extremely dangerous Gweens, who are the equivalent of the snotweed currently poisoning our rivers, in terms of their effect upon the great NZ body politic.

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  220. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..If we can’t have intelligent debate..”

    now..that’s funny..!

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  221. kowtow (7,616 comments) says:

    I’d like to thank Lucey Hansen for alerting me to that American event,about their army.

    After the British army and Royal Navy perhaps the greatest force for democracy in the world ,certainly in the 20 th century.

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  222. wat dabney (3,671 comments) says:

    Indeed, it’s thanks to the Pax Americana that we have enjoyed decades of subsidised easy peace and Kiwis can act like children with their anti-nuclear posturing.

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  223. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    is it ‘gweens’ 2nite..is it twitchy-jim..?

    ..will you be also treating us to one of yr homophobic-rants/bile-spews later..?

    ..and fact/reality-check…it is the farmers who are ‘the snotweed’ ruining our waterways..

    ..literally..really..

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  224. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    philu

    Something to take your mind off the taste of your lentil & dandelion burger.

    http://www.vegetus.org/vegtoon/vegtoon.html

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  225. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..Um, what about the men?..”

    fine specimans of manhood…all of them…

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  226. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    nasska

    He was in amusing form. It’s almost as if he was setting out to lampoon himself. He tried a bit of humour (well, possibly, I could be wrong) tried to be a bit restrained but that didn’t go too well, tried the mandatory shot at spiderman but, sadly ( :) ) – own goal there too. He’s so stupid that I don’t think he realises what he’s actually saying most of the time.

    I think the auto gyro must have kicked in because he eventually settled back into his comfort zone (marxist/you’re stupid/I can’t be bothered etc etc). No “knuckle-dragging homo leftist scum” though, although you could almost sense the tension in his fingers as they hovered over the keyboard. But I think the pitiful little bleat to the Headmaster was probably the play of the day.

    He doesn’t seem to want to let on how the helium worked.

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  227. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    The leech has been away for a while. WINZ interview perhaps?

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  228. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    i looked at the tables-turned ones..

    ..some of them are funny..

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  229. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    thedavincimode

    I’ll be bitterly disappointed if you can’t wring a “knuckle-dragging homo leftist scum” rant out of him soon. His current restraint can’t last but the longer it is bottled up the better the chance of a nuclear retaliation.

    In any case I suspect that the effort he is putting into chasing ‘Sarah’ & pulling her down off the chandelier six times a day may yet prove to be too much.

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  230. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    Good point. Perhaps he’s just run out of puff. And huff.

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  231. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Leaping Jimmy,


    …no sense of real life…

    Why is farming “real life” and living in a city not? Why are farmers “pragmatic business people” but people who run retail outlets, large corporations, factories, universities, professional business etc. not?

    Farming is certainly an important part of life, but so are the industries that exist in big cities. I would regard the relationship as reciprocal where each benefits from the contributions of the other. Farmers do not produce everything they use on their farm. They do not produce motor vehicles which they use. Many other technologies they use are also produced in large cities. So lets not pretend they are some sort of special class of human being upon which everyone else is dependent. We are all dependent upon each other to produce all the things that makes modern living possible.

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  232. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    Weihana

    You’re point regarding reciprocity is the reason that if farming dispeared, there would be fuck all left. The kick on effect in terms of farming service industries and suppliers, farm processors and downstream value add industries is what actually allows this country to survive. Pity that we actually have to import farm workers because the unemployed people who live here are too lazy to bother with farm work.

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  233. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    …”So lets not pretend they are some sort of special class of human being upon which everyone else is dependent.”…..

    Heresy!!! Farming pays the bills.

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  234. Manolo (13,362 comments) says:

    Worth reading: http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/give-us-liberty_646832.html

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  235. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    thedavincimode,


    Pity that we actually have to import farm workers because the unemployed people who live here are too lazy to bother with farm work.

    True, no one is dependent upon a beneficiary too lazy and/or incompetent to do what’s necessary to become self-sufficient.

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  236. Other_Andy (2,289 comments) says:

    And the train wreck called Europe continues.
    A perfect example what a’Greens’ and Labour coalition would do to New Zealand.

    No more lifeboats left on EU Titanic
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ISdTcwC-54&feature=player_embedded

    Spain: the beginning of the end

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  237. RRM (9,447 comments) says:

    Penny Bright:

    Your ‘Dodgy John’ website does you no favours. I am no fan of JB at all, but I look at your website and my first though is that anybody who has people like you for enemies deserves a bit of sympathy.
    The police are never going to take complaints seriously that are clearly the ravings of an ideological political nutter. I suggest you get yourself a more sensible, professional look, and fast, so that people take you seriously.

    Here are some examples to give you a bit of an idea of where you sit within the space you are operating in:

    —–

    1: Seriously unprofessional, just complete freaking nutters, this person is clearly on drugs but not the right ones, why would anybody waste their time reading this rubbish?
    The Hairy Armpit http://thehairyarmpit.blogspot.co.nz/
    Apartheid fort New Zealand http://newzeelend.wordpress.com/

    2: An unprofessional, paranoid mess with stuff all over the place; and incandescent with impotent rage at all times, just lunatics really:
    Truebluenz by redbaiter http://truebluenz.com/
    Dad 4 Justice: http://dad4justice.blogspot.co.nz/
    Crusader Rabbit: http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/

    3: Unprofessional-looking, cluttered page, looks like the work of an angry madman/woman with a chip on his/her shoulder and time on his/her hands, but at least they are not screaming with rage ALL of the time:
    The Standard http://thestandard.org.nz/
    Yourself: Dodgy John has gone http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com/
    right wing resistance http://rwrnz.blogspot.co.nz/

    4: Quite a smart-looking site, until you read the invective and notice that they actually are just sickos:
    http://nzconservative.blogspot.co.nz/

    5: Sneering, supercillious arseholes who need a kick in the dick; not as fucked up as 4, but a lot worse than 6:
    Bob McThou-Shalt-Not: http://bobmccoskrie.com/
    http://pundit.co.nz/blogs/deborah-coddington

    6: Crude weirdoes, but reasonably likeable, apart from frequent tourette-like rants:
    http://hittingmetalwithahammer.wordpress.com/

    7:Smug, ineffectual little arseholes writing for an ego trip, but occasionally post some stuff that is actually worth reading:
    http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/
    http://asianinvasion2006.blogspot.co.nz/

    8:Cameron Slater, a category all of his own; pretty rough around the edges but does real research, breaks real stories, influences real politicians and fully worth reading in spite of the slightly deranged levels of spleen:
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/

    9: Smart, eloquent people who are highly knowledgeable in their field and worth listening to on any subject. Would probably be more widely read if they lowered the tone a bit to attract more of the “hurr hurr, he told that guy to fuck off!” audience:
    Public Address: http://publicaddress.net/
    Dim Post: http://dimpost.wordpress.com/
    Nandor tanczos: http://rasnandor.blogspot.co.nz/
    Our glorious host: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/ ;-)

    I hope this has been of some help…

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  238. mikenmild (10,688 comments) says:

    ‘Spain: the beginning of the end’ Surely not: they’re still outright favourites to win the tournament.

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  239. Leaping Jimmy (15,942 comments) says:

    Why is farming “real life” and living in a city not? Why are farmers “pragmatic business people” but people who run retail outlets, large corporations, factories, universities, professional business etc. not?

    Weihana the comment is in context of political balance so analyse it in those terms not in terms of: I know exceptions to that general rule. Of course there are exceptions: I’m talking patterns. So….

    Cities allow lots of idiots to sit back and imagine: “wouldn’t it be neaty if…” and consequently you get a huge proportion of lefties in cities. Look at Auckland. Look at Wgtn. Recall the Red/Blue maps of the country and look at all the concentrations. It was extremely revealing to me, last election, to look at the sea of blue across almost the entire country last election except in one spot: Wgtn. Why? Wgtn people think that wealth is created by the govt, not by the individual. They would deny they think that, but that voting pattern shows they really do think that. In normal times, both Akld and Chch look like that, as well. And that, my friend due to population distribution, is the election, normally. Just we had the earthquake so this time ChCh was blue (temporarily) and the GFC made Akld blue (also temporarily).

    I didn’t invent the phenomena Weihana, I just observe it and from that observation I try to understand it. And I just observe and conclude that if you have a secure job in the city in a faceless corporation somewhere that means you’re not, on average (and yes of course der there are always exceptions, like you and I for example, yes, der, recognise that) but on average, too au fait with what it takes to generate wealth, but you’re terribly au fait with what it takes to consume it, and you think that’s that only side of the equation that exists so you vote accordingly.

    It just happens in NZ that farming happens to be the quintessential wealth creation industry, it could have been anything.

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  240. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    Phark! There must be a dope shortage or someone got their income cut.
    Very quiet and that’s a good thing :)

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  241. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    i’m waiting for ‘the intelligent debate’ promised by nasska…

    ..it’ll be a first…eh..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  242. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    philu

    It looks like we may have to call off that debate. I’d forgotten that at 6pm the nurses lock away Russell’s computer for the day & give him his meds. By now he’ll be having sweet dreams of standing behind a smoking gun with an army of Indo Aryan commies laying dead at his feet.

    There’s always tomorrow.

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  243. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Manolo,


    Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama, for example, think in terms of “redistributive fairness.” They are offended by the fact that some individuals have larger pieces of cherry pie than others. They want to divide the pie equally so that every individual receives an equal slice.

    I would presume Mr. Continetti has some evidence of this but of course that would be presuming too much. More likely Mr. Continetti possesses some sort of mind-reading device which tells us what the President is really thinking and that despite extending the Bush tax cuts he is in fact the reincarnation of Vladimir Lenin.

    It’s worth mentioning that the top marginal tax rate in the US for the years 1944-51 was 91%. Yet these were the good ol days according to conservatives (you know, before the 60s set us on the path towards the apocalypse).

    Not that I recommend a return to such a tax rate.

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  244. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    oh..!..silly me..!..i thought you rightwingers were going to have a go at ‘intelligent-debate’…

    ..i’ve been on the edge of my seat..

    ..i’ll sit back now…

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  245. big bruv (13,279 comments) says:

    So Phool, had a call from WINZ yet?

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  246. Leaping Jimmy (15,942 comments) says:

    oh..!..silly me..!..i thought you rightwingers were going to have a go at ‘intelligent-debate’…

    no phil we simply assessed precisely who we were dealing with and…

    well…

    you know.

    “eh?”

    (to put it into terms you understand)

    because we’re caring conservatives phil, that’s why.

    “eh?”

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  247. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    philu,

    Please note that in order to perceive intelligent debate one does require at least a modicum of intelligence. :)

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  248. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    last time it was measured it was 141…

    ..how big is yours..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  249. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    Six & a half inches.

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  250. big bruv (13,279 comments) says:

    …..last time it was measured it was 141…….

    Bullshit.

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  251. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    nah..!..bruv…

    ..that’s how i know what a dumbarse you are…eh..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  252. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    Making a speech against the proliferation of pornographic
    DVDs, the Christian Conservative candidate said, “I rented one of
    these discs and was shocked to find by my count, five
    acts of oral sex, three of sodomy, a transexual making
    love with a dog, and a woman accommodating five men
    at once. If elected, I vow that X rated DVDs & tapes such as these will no
    longer corrupt the citizens of New Zealand!”

    He concluded the fiery denunciation by asking, . . . . . .
    “Are there any questions?”

    Six people shouted in unison, “Where’d you rent the DVD?”

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  253. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    Edna tested Phool’s IQ. Found a friend Phool?
    I still think Edna is your mum

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  254. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    the child of the corn shows us/confirms what repeated generations of that african sun on white heads does…

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  255. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    :) wanker lol

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  256. big bruv (13,279 comments) says:

    Had Edna popped in this evening?

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  257. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    why don’t you go and try to bang out post number 16 for the last year..on yr blog..?

    you can’t..’cos you are a dumbarse…eh..?

    ..all those 15 posts are just mindless mini-rants…

    ..just like yr comments here..eh..?

    ..just a one-trick pony..aren’t you..?

    ..that’s all ya got…eh..?

    ..ya dumb fuck…

    ..phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  258. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    “Hi phil I am NOT d4j as you said on kiwiblog, however who is this big bruv wack nutbar. This c##t needs a smacking over. I want his real name mate, can you help me. Is it Graeme Taylor?”

    Source unknown, people send me shit.
    Yes I am trolling and the resident troll will now start telling lies

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  259. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    edna talks very blokey..

    ..’mate’..

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  260. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    It’s all just a second identity. Drug addicts will do anything to deny and digress.

    Next subject is:
    Oh something about American Politics? or attack on Afrikaans? or or or,
    answering a few if the questions that have been avoided in the last few days?

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  261. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    i think edna has got ginga-hairy legs…

    ..and wears work-boots…

    ..those yellow ones…

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  262. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    work boots huh? that means you think Edna works?
    You wear pink slippers all day I guess Phool, even at the Library. Good place to hang out, warmer in winter. They have 24/7 acces to the New Lynn Library these days? did not know that

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  263. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    try and lift yr game a bit there..child of the corn…

    ..eh..?

    that’s the best ya got..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  264. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    Phool carries on with this ‘child of the corn’ I gues he means dumbas hillbilly uneduacated (Speeling intended)
    Child of the fucking dope is more Phool’s style – just never grew up an has the mental age of 17, like some smartarse jerk that won’t work so goes to UNI.
    Tell us what you learned at UNI Phillip, and what have you done with your TAX payed learnings?

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  265. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    are you getting a bit needled there..child of the corn…?

    phillipure whoar.co.nz

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  266. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    Edna is a false psuedo isn’t it Phool, created by you and even backed up on your blog so I am told.
    Such sadness that a drug fucked train wreck will go to for anything to gain attention – even telling lies.
    Edna has not been here to defend SO – cover your tracks idiot

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  267. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    http://whoar.co.nz/

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  268. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    heh..!..child of the corn has a brainstorm..

    ..thinks that for some reason..i’m edna/d4j..

    ..dumber than a sack of doorknobs..eh..?

    ..but funny with it..

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  269. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    hammers, hammers, not fucking doorknobs, you fucking drug crazed fuckwit

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  270. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    are you getting a bit needled there…?..child of the corn..

    and..it depends which school you went to..

    ..(doorknobs is a private school thing…they don’t relate well to ‘hammers’

    ..far too working class for them..)

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  271. wiseowl (760 comments) says:

    So LJ adds a great post at 7.15 and what happens.Nought.No response.
    The usual diatribe and unintelligible darts and digs. No wonder red doesn’t bother.
    Great link to Farage as well who puts it plainly. We lack politicians that have the balls to stand up and tell it as it is.Here they would be checking to see if everything they said was PC and would have to pass it through wussell and pita before spitting it out.
    Things like gays and co-management are of the highest priority here.

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  272. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    then there is that other saying:..’dumber than a clutch of children of the corn’..

    ..eh..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  273. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    ‘wiseowl’ is kind of an oxymoronic blog-name choice…

    ..for that one..

    ..eh..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  274. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..No wonder red doesn’t bother..”

    small blessings…eh..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  275. Yvette (2,690 comments) says:

    So LJ adds a great post at 7.15 and what happens. Nought. No response.
    ___________________
    No 7.15 post either

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  276. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    Strange that a Man can be intelligent and not use that brain – just falls into the stupid class, and the TAXPAYER funds him

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  277. kowtow (7,616 comments) says:

    Oh look the anti catholic bigots have nothing to cheer about. No catholic clergy arrested! Nothing to see here move along.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2159263/Scout-leader-retired-teacher-members-Armed-Services-76-arrested-nationwide-paedophile-swoop.html

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  278. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    kow tow..loved yr earlier sneer at another commenter for hiding behind a fake name…and not having the courage to use their real name..

    ..admirable sentiments..!..with which i agree..

    ..so..

    ..yr real name is…?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  279. kowtow (7,616 comments) says:

    I have made it a rule not to address you ,as you’re basically an arse ,I’ll make this exception.

    the other “commenter” is a blogger, who was attacking another blogger. One anonymous, one not.

    I have never questioned any other commenters anonymity,for obvious reasons. Now phil consider yourself priveliged that I have addressed you , now fuck off

    eh.

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  280. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    are you getting a bit needled there..cow-tow…?

    ..and…was it something i said..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  281. big bruv (13,279 comments) says:

    It is so nice to see Phool and D4J/Edna getting on so well. Apparently Phool is quite happy to have people threaten others with physical violence on his blog.

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  282. Manolo (13,362 comments) says:

    Easy votes. It must be election year! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/15/obama-administration-to-offer-immunity-to-younger-immigrants/

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