General Debate 19 March 2014

March 19th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Pete George (23,310 comments) says:

    What if Grant Robertson put as much time and research and effort into rebuilding the Labour Party as he seems to be putting in to trying to destroy Judith Collins’ political career?

    What if Shane Jones…

    What if Labour’s social media campaign…

    What if Labour’s poll…

    What if Grant Robertson and Shane Jones and David Cunliffe and Matt McCarten learned that in politics, negatives repel?

    Hoping you will emerge victorious out of an almighty shit fight seems at odds with encouraging and persuading disillusioned people to vote.

    What if Grant Robertson…

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  2. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    It must be true because I read it on KB….

    In Tonga, Jonah Lomu was just another joe shmoe as body types go.

    Yeah, yeah….

    If that were true – don’t you think the All Blacks would’ve been 1-22 full of all these Jonah clones ?

    6’5″ 125kg of don’t argue 100 metres in 11 clicks. Just your average Tongan bloke.

    And if you believe that – next you’ll be calling a Labour landslide.

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  3. wreck1080 (3,801 comments) says:

    My goodness, the kiwi dollar shot into the stratosphere last night. Must be a record high against the USA, and certainly a new record on the trade weighted index.

    Given we expect a further series of OCR increases I wonder if we could reach parity against the US .

    But, why are the banks not passing on ocr increases to savers? That really sucks. They raise mortgage rates but not savings rates, assumably to boost their margins at savers expense.

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  4. flipper (3,838 comments) says:

    They would still need the la la land red melons… but only idiots subscribe to their theories and “policies”.

    So they would be better employed working for as living rather than bludging off taxpayers.

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  5. Komata (1,142 comments) says:

    And so it starts again.. Wasn’t it a certain Little. A. who was sent by the NZ Labour party to Oz to try and discover something salacious or nasty about JK, the same Little. A. who is now an MP?

    Evidently, to the NZ Labour party, ‘playing the person’ is more important than ‘playing the ball’, or is this what happens when the ‘ball’ has already been dropped? Perhaps this is what constitutes ‘defensive play’ in the minds of those who are supposedly in charge of the NZLP team?

    One wonders…

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  6. OneTrack (2,813 comments) says:

    “What if Grant Robertson put as much time and research and effort into rebuilding the Labour Party as he seems to be putting in to trying to destroy Judith Collins’ political career?”

    But if he wasn’t doing what he is doing, he wouldn’t be a true lefty. He is envious that Collins is in government and he isn’t. What to do? Tackle the man (women) of course. Lefty 101.

    They have a national election in six months and they are raving about a glass of milk. Numpties.

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  7. OneTrack (2,813 comments) says:

    “So they would be better employed working for as living rather than bludging off taxpayers.”

    It’s easier to bludge off taxpayers. Additionally people who can afford to pay tax are “rich pricks”, hence, need to be punished with higher tax rates. That includes exporters and power companies.

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  8. Harriet (4,614 comments) says:

    “……A Sydney man who died fighting alongside rebels in Syria has been revealed as an Australian soldier who went absent without leave more than three years ago…..”

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/19/05/15/awol-digger-died-fighting-in-syria-with-rebels

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  9. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    One more – crackpot theory on fat Islanders….

    They find it a big fat turn-on. Mating signal of attractiveness. Look at that healthy mama-jamma. Why, he / she could survive paddling around in a canoe looking for food for about ten years living off dead seagulls that drop dead into the ocean and still have enough folds left in the blubber rolls to accumulate semi-decomposed food crumbs. I’m so hot right now.

    Western diet of endless bountiful cheap nasty shit has enabled them to live out their wildest fantasies as the ultimate sex symbols of fertility. Hubba hubba. Just a theory.

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  10. dirty harry (444 comments) says:

    Great to see the price of fuel dropping due to the high dollar ( Tui )

    Fuel companies have zero credibility. Wait for more bullshit excuses.

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  11. wreck1080 (3,801 comments) says:

    @dirtyharry : :banks and fuel companies , please.

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  12. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    Ok, ok – last one – promise promise – hahahahahaha – just for ticks…..

    Bah dom chhhhhh

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  13. flipper (3,838 comments) says:

    Komata (922 comments) says:

    March 19th, 2014 at 8:13 am

    And so it starts again.. Wasn’t it a certain Little. A. who was sent by the NZ Labour party to Oz to try and discover something salacious or nasty about JK, the same Little. A. who is now an MP?
    ****

    You mean LP El Presidente “Mikhailovich Williamsanov”, acting under the direction of the big dyke, aka H2, then occupying the 10th at the wasphive?

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  14. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    LR C

    That is the theory selected by nature to cope with the trans ocean voyaging.
    Also wobbly fat folds donate lots of food IE rich in a primitive society so it’s the equivalent of marrying a fat bank balance for us.

    Marilyn Monroe would be called a massive fat wobbling tart by todays tabloid media. Personally I belive the fetish for skinny woman is due to the number of gays in the fashion industry wanking over teenage boys.

    A woman should have curves not be shaped like a teenage boy

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  15. Paulus (2,559 comments) says:

    Will DotconPeters/Robertson please ask the Prime Minister, who is currently in Beijing

    - Tell us who paid for the secret dinner you had with the Chinese Premier.

    And what did you talk about. We demand to know.

    On the Collins private dinner etc “affair” ask anybody who has been to Shanghai – did you know where you are going ?. I have never been so confused in my life as I don’t read Chinese road and building signs.

    We took a taxi to go to a specific shopping area (in Chinese language from our hotel). After 30 minutes the driver obviously did not have a clue where he was as we arrived at the same area twice – where we wanted to go was 30 minutes the other way. We actually paid him, despite his sorry, and took another taxi there.

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  16. Ross12 (1,270 comments) says:

    Fantastic piece by Catus Cate on W/O about who paid the bill for the dinner. Labour are a pack of “wollys”

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/03/women-dont-pay-dinner-china/#more-129938

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  17. Komata (1,142 comments) says:

    Flipper: Exactly, the very same.

    (It’s an interesting variation on the old ‘behind every good man stands a good woman’ phrase: remove adjectives as appropriate).

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  18. Pete George (23,310 comments) says:

    Whale Oil has a major story on possible links and acheming between the Mana Party and Kim Dotocm. It could be a big story.

    WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HONE HARAWIRA AND KIM DOTCOM?

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  19. EAD (821 comments) says:

    I see America and Britain now want to apply sanctions against Russia.

    The thing is, I don’t remember the Russians applying any sanctions against them when they invaded Iraq/Afghanistan for no good reasons, killing and maiming hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

    So why should they apply any sanctions to them when they have peacefully incorporated an area of land that has been Russian territory for hundreds of years, in line with the wishes of the vast majority of the local population?

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  20. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    Panama
    Grenada
    Kosovo
    Afghanistan
    Iraq
    Libya
    Yemen

    To name but a few

    Obama should stick to his day job – Comedy
    (actually he’s not very good at that either)

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  21. Reid (16,110 comments) says:

    Labour’s new Forestry policy.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11222242

    “In forestry it’s obvious that a hell of a lot of timber leaves New Zealand as raw logs. It’s grown rapidly to being half our production and meanwhile our mill capacity and employment is declining, our value add is declining, our productivity is declining. The package of measures will be designed to address those gaps.”

    The reason for this is most of the logs go to China and you know what they’re used for? Boxing for concreting, for all those buildings they’re putting up there, and they like it because they can re-use it 8-9 times as opposed to the 2-3 times they can re-use wood for other sources.

    So its all very well to say let’s go and use our nice pine to make some furniture or something and ‘add value’ but if that’s not what the market’s demanding then what are you going to do?

    But watch the media and Labour fail to mention this reality when they roll it out over this next week or so.

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  22. flipper (3,838 comments) says:

    A thort in the middle of last night……

    Why is it that the sports reporters, be they male, female or other, are invariably mature, able to speak clearly, and with a degree of authority.

    On the other hand, the squeaking children working in newstainment are invariably (Pete Williams apart, but then he is a converted sport) children, and female, still wet behind their ears. Oh….forgot about Campbell. Well, never mind, everyone knows he is a whining dick.

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  23. Komata (1,142 comments) says:

    EAD

    Re: ‘So why should they apply any sanctions to them when they have peacefully incorporated an area of land that has been Russian territory for hundreds of years, in line with the wishes of the vast majority of the local population.’

    Ah, old chap, it’s because it’s the nasty Ruskies who are doing it, not the clean-living Americans who are the ‘champeens of democracy in the free world’ (well, at least THEIR version of ‘democracy- whatever THAT may be’).

    On that basis, what is there not to dislike?

    And as for Afghanistan/Iraq: Don’t you KNOW that the inhabitants of those countries were being LIBERATED from oppression and corruption and being given the chance to sample ‘democracy’, cos after all, the Americans are the ‘champeens of…’ (repeat ad nauseum and ad infinitum, until you understand ).

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  24. Harriet (4,614 comments) says:

    National is only chock full of voters because of a no-confidence vote in Labour – it is not a ‘satisfactory vote’ in National! :cool:

    A whole 6 months gives the Conservatives and ACT the opportunity to show up the weaknesses in the way that National is governing the country. And National -who has 50% of the vote- is hardly a reformist party.

    And if the Conservatives and ACT start taking votes from National with hardline policy announcements, then that may well send the disatisfied Labour voters heading back to Labour. National will have to have some good policies to stop this from happening. Messages are meaningless to Conservatives and ACT voters. There voters want ACTION – they want POLICY.

    One arguement is not about the cost of healthcare but the quality of healthcare – and a lot of votes are up for grabs in this area.

    Some people in NZ are missing out on advanced medicine and others are having to wait unnessecerly for services under the belief that the NZ Healthcare SYSTEM can’t afford it. And that’s while those who are promiscious or dangerous with their sex lives have all their treatment for free – for years on end. Unlike smokers and drinkers who pay LOTS IN TAXES for their healthcare.

    And suburban mothers soon will too – via sugar and fat tax!

    Some women even have free pre-natal healthcare and then terminate the baby at a much later date for no physical reason, using up healthcare services and then billing it all to the taxpayer.

    I can’t see how ACT is going to win too many votes by being social liberals as it costs too much in healthacre – and that is when women and gays are still actually working – unlike the drug addicts that ACT supporters believe will ‘pay for themselves’ if we legalise drugs.

    Sexualists and drugos really have no place in ACT as they will have to also support privatised healthcare – or ACT will end up looking like National – bludging marxist commies!

    The Conservatives may well get a huge number of party votes.

    Your average gay man is soon going to be a ‘rich white prick’ – just like a couple of metrosuals I know! :cool:

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  25. Keeping Stock (10,174 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (8.44am) – not “could be a big story”. This WILL be a big story, and it’s going to seriously damage the Large German Gentleman’s “media darling” status. There will be much egg on many faces.

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  26. Pete George (23,310 comments) says:

    The reason for this is most of the logs go to China and you know what they’re used for? Boxing for concreting, for all those buildings they’re putting up there, and they like it because they can re-use it 8-9 times as opposed to the 2-3 times they can re-use wood for other sources.

    Can you point to details on this? I’m interested in finding out more about what our log exports are used for.

    I doubt there’s much demand growth for New Zealand made pine furniture.

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  27. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    flipper

    I find sports reporters a bunch of hyperbolic retards

    similar to your Immature unable to communicate clearly and absolutely no idea of authority style.

    So I can understand why you like them.

    and a thort is

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thort
    A pussy that has been bored out so long and hard over the years that it more resembles a humid, moist cave than a vagina. This kind of vagina has the interesting property that it will give you both a boner as well as nightmares.

    the mind boggles.

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  28. Colville (2,176 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9843701/Labour-Use-wood-or-face-questions

    Liarbore aims a election bribe at rich forestry owners! :-)

    “It is non-binding but allows wood-based projects up to four storeys high to be assessed for competitiveness.”

    Who the fuck would want to live in a 4 storey appartment block built out of timber? creeeeek creeeeekkkkk creeeekkkkk with someone walking about above you. Fuck that. Concrete!!

    But building out of timber would play into Fletchers hands nicely coz you have to buy GIB by the truckload!

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  29. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    The sooner the fat fairy realises his incessant annoyance of Collins is not only pissing her off, but every right thinking Kiwi also, the better for everyone. If this type of shit is all these rainbows are capable of, then thank God he was not elected leader of the perverts’ party of envy.

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  30. Colville (2,176 comments) says:

    PG @ 9.04.
    Most of our downgrade logs are used for ply not boxing (tho the ply could be used as formwork/shutters)
    China is taking logs down to 14cm small end at the mo I do believe. Matchsticks.

    Its awesome. Ching Ching ! ( meant in a $$ way not in a nasty racist way! :-) )

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  31. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    If the obese German criminal is now attempting to court Mana, this is surely interference in the internal politics of a host nation. This overweight debtor should be arsed out immediately, we don’t want, nor need, this slug.
    Don’t forget Lecher Len, he is getting a bit of a reprieve of late. Time he went.

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  32. Pete George (23,310 comments) says:

    We’re unlikely to be able to compete with Chinese wood processors in the foreseeable future.

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  33. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    EAD,

    “The thing is, I don’t remember the Russians applying any sanctions against them when they invaded Iraq/Afghanistan for no good reasons”

    Saddam invaded Kuwait, thus it was within the bounds of Just War to defend Kuwait, and to remove Saddam when he failed to comply with the creae fire.

    Afghanistan was the base of operations for al-Qaedas that launched an attack on the US (go away reid).

    On the other hand, Ukraine has done what against Russia???

    Come on Ead, you have more brains than to spin that kind of lefty Michael Moore crap.

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  34. Elaycee (4,332 comments) says:

    Bizarre decision by the Small Claims Tribunal.

    Bloke in the Auckland CBD parks his car in a car park building one night and returns to find it towed. He had left it in a spot designated (and paid for) by a business. Bloke tracks down his vehicle and has to pay the towing outfit $250 to get it back.

    Bloke then complains to Small Claims Tribunal and they find for him!!! Apparently, the correct form was not signed by the landlord prior to towing…. But then came this:

    The tribunal also ruled in Mr Ooi’s favour because he had “caused no actual harm” by parking at the Wellesley St car park without permission as the building was empty and it was outside usual business hours.

    So the Small Claims Tribunal has decided that car spaces (contained within lease agreements) are not really for the (exclusive) use of the paying tenant but can be used by a member of the public if the tenant is not present? Really? And who determines what is ‘usual business hours’ – an Adjudicator at the SCT?

    As I said at the outset… this seems bizarre.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11222090

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  35. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    ShawnLH the Crimeans want to become a part of the Russian Federation, they have said so unambiguously.

    This pisses the Americans off, who have become so parochial in their vision that they think everybody wants to be an American and think like them and do as they say (or to be more accurate as their elites say)

    The world does not revolve around the USA and it does not have the right to dictate to everybody else how they should live and manage their affairs.
    ,
    In fact the USA has lost its way, it doesn’t even understand democracy anymore

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  36. ex-golfer (155 comments) says:

    It’s impossible to forget about Lecher Len Ian.
    You happily remind us about him everyday!

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  37. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Afghanistan was the base of operations for al-Qaedas that launched an attack on the US (go away reid).

    According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/

    One of the many unexplained (at least not officially) anomalies of the persons claimed to have carried out the Boston Marathon bombings is the presence of key CIA figure in the direct family of the accused brothers. Ruslan Tsarnaev, the outspoken uncle of the brothers was married to Samantha A. Fuller until 2004. Samantha’s father is Graham Fuller, the senior CIA person who architected the Afghan Islamic fundamentalist Mujahideen war against the Soviets. He is also implicated in creating a global jihad network, presumably acting on behalf of CIA interests.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article178524.html

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  38. iMP (2,333 comments) says:

    The DEMOMETER. Click a Christchurch suburb and see how much of it has been demolished. The Apocalypse is actually here.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/9842231/Only-half-of-red-zone-homes-demolished

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  39. Reid (16,110 comments) says:

    Can you point to details on this?

    It was told to me by someone in the forestry sector who had just returned from China six months ago Pete. I won’t give his name or occupation on the air but he was someone who would definitely know.

    Saddam invaded Kuwait, thus it was within the bounds of Just War to defend Kuwait, and to remove Saddam when he failed to comply with the creae fire.

    Ah the Western memes. How little you know Shawn. You’re just a babe in the geopolitical woods, aren’t you. I see UT has already taken care of your other hallucination.

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  40. tom hunter (4,563 comments) says:

    … you have more brains than to spin that kind of lefty Michael Moore crap.

    Have you noticed the earlier comments of this right-winger:

    … it’s because it’s the nasty Ruskies who are doing it, not the clean-living Americans who are the ‘champeens of democracy in the free world’ (well, at least THEIR version of ‘democracy- whatever THAT may be’).

    And your fellow Christian right-winger:

    Panama
    Grenada
    Kosovo

    What greater triumph could a member of the Far-Left have than to see his ideological opponents repeating his sneers.

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  41. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Andrei
    Do you believe the referendum in Crimea was a legitimate act of self-determination? There were only two options: independence or join Russia.

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  42. Judith (8,428 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee (3,914 comments) says:
    March 19th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    Certainly bizarre, and commercially devastating – well at least the principal is. “It’s not being used, so help yourself”?

    Actually, thinking about that, there are many that obviously have that philosophy already :-(

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  43. David Garrett (6,739 comments) says:

    A question for some knowledgeable banker type person…What is the relationship between the yuan – which as far as I know has been the currency of China for yonks – and the “renminbi”, which is a term which is relatively recent?

    A story on Stuff this am refers to some symbolic trade between NZD and “Chinese currency”…and then refers to both the yuan and the renminbi in the same story…Are they different names for the same currency? Different currencies used in different situations? If so, what is the relationship between the two?

    Left and right: You sound as if you have been ingesting something psychotrophic…but I never said “Tongans with Joma Lomu’s talents are a dime a dozen in Tonga”…what I said was he is not a particularly big guy up there…You can be a big guy and still hopeless as a rugby player or a boxer… as I understand it, they are acknowledged to be the biggest people in the world on the BMI……My point was the BMI is a hugely flawed measure of healthy weight vs. obesity.

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  44. Judith (8,428 comments) says:

    @ igm (678 comments) says:
    March 19th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    and if the majority in this democracy don’t agree with those assertions, well bugger that too?

    There are many many things that lots of us don’t want or enjoy, however, unless we are the majority, we have no show of changing it. Whilst I have many jafa friends who would gladly string Leering, leeching Len from the nearest lamp post, unless the majority agree that won’t happen – and by all accounts, whilst the conscientious may want it, there are a vast number of Aucklanders, who really couldn’t give a stuff and so the leech remains to grope another behind whilst wearing the mayors regalia!

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  45. Lucia Maria (2,239 comments) says:

    Crimea has not been part of Russia for “hundreds of years”. At best, it’s 171 years from it’s annexation by the Russian Empire in 1783 to it’s gifting to Ukraine in 1954 by the Soviet Union (60 years ago).

    The whole referendum was done in unseemly haste (the devil always hurries) and the option to stay with Ukraine was not given to the population, so many of those who objected just didn’t vote. What was the point?

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  46. Judith (8,428 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (21,620 comments) says:
    March 19th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    We will be unable to compete with the Chinese in the future due to their numerical dominance in most capacities. And especially on the technological front, which is why we have to work out what is unique to New Zealand, that can be made commercially viable, and protect it sufficiently to ensure we are able to market it ourselves and not allow others to supersede us.

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  47. kowtow (7,932 comments) says:

    wreck 1080 ;banks don’t give a shit about savers.Once upon a time they needed us so they could lend money to investors.Now with the conivance of big government ,they literally “assets” out of thin air.

    So to banks and dirty harry’s fuel companies i add big government.

    Talking of big govt.The Russians should tell the UK and US to piss off and use Gibraltar as an example.It’s part of Spain,so the Dagos say.A referendum there said we’re British,just like the Crimeans have said we’re Russkies.What’s good for Gib should be good for Crimea.

    Meanwhile a govt installed by the west is imposing sharia in Iraq.With friends like the west who needs enemies?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/08/us-iraq-women-islam-idUSBREA270NR20140308

    So much for Obummers hope and change.Hope and change back to the 7th century.Allahu akbar.

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  48. cha (3,856 comments) says:

    What was the point?

    This.

    Romania’s president said Monday that Russia has created a chain of conflicts around the Black Sea to further President Vladimir Putin’s goal of rebuilding the former Soviet Union along its former border with the West.

    Romanian President Traian Basescu, who spoke to The Associated Press in an interview Monday, said he fears that neighboring Moldova is “in great danger.”

    “If you look at the map, you will see this chain of frozen conflicts” around the Black Sea “that can be set off at any time,” he said, referring to conflicts in Georgia, Ukraine and Moldova

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/romania-putin-creating-black-sea-barrier-22942006

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  49. Ross12 (1,270 comments) says:

    DG –” Are they different names for the same currency? ” Yes that is correct .

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  50. david (2,553 comments) says:

    Headline on Stuff

    “Kiwi vaccinated after chicks’ death”

    Is it just me or has the lazy journalism given this headline a completely misleading flavour? My first thought was to translate this as “New Zealand citizen given a vaccine following the death of a young female person as the result of some horrible disease”

    Media news call Police “cops”, describe drug dealers as being “busted”, and there are many more examples of street talk used in news bulletins, so it actually came as a surprise in the above example to find out that in this case they were talking about our national bird and even more surprising used the correct plural form and got the apostrophe in the right place.

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  51. kowtow (7,932 comments) says:

    DG

    This might help.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2010/06/21/yuan-or-renminbi-whats-the-right-word-for-chinas-currency/

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  52. SGA (952 comments) says:

    David Garrett at 9:47 am

    My point was the BMI is a hugely flawed measure of healthy weight vs. obesity.

    Just as a point of reference for David’s comments. According to BMI, if you are 183cm (6 ft) and over 83 kg, then you are overweight, over 100kg then you are obese.
    (Apologies if someone’s already made a similar comment lately).

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  53. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    ex-golfer: Sorry to ramble on about Lecher Len and the obese German criminal daily, but they must not get off the hook, anything I can do to keep people remembering these arseholes might be to their detriment.
    Once again, sorry for the daily tirade, it is meant only to offend those that support these two pieces of excrement.

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  54. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Elaycee (3,914 comments) says:
    March 19th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    Bizarre decision by the Small Claims Tribunal.

    Bloke in the Auckland CBD parks his car in a car park building one night and returns to find it towed. He had left it in a spot designated (and paid for) by a business. Bloke tracks down his vehicle and has to pay the towing outfit $250 to get it back.

    Bloke then complains to Small Claims Tribunal and they find for him!!! Apparently, the correct form was not signed by the landlord prior to towing…. But then came this:

    The tribunal also ruled in Mr Ooi’s favour because he had “caused no actual harm” by parking at the Wellesley St car park without permission as the building was empty and it was outside usual business hours.

    So the Small Claims Tribunal has decided that car spaces (contained within lease agreements) are not really for the (exclusive) use of the paying tenant but can be used by a member of the public if the tenant is not present? Really? And who determines what is ‘usual business hours’ – an Adjudicator at the SCT?

    As I said at the outset… this seems bizarre.

    It is not bizzare at all. You brush over the fact that the tow was illegal. The towing company had no authority to tow the vehicle. The “form” you briefly mention is what gives them that authority. Without it they have no permission from whomever has rights to the property.

    Moreover, a private company (whether a tow company or a parking enforcement service) has no authority to impose arbitrary fines against other people. They are not the government. Like any private organization they can sue for liquidated damages (damages specifically caused by your actions) but these damages must be actually proved. If a tow company tows your car to their yard which is across the street and they try to fine you $250 for it, then you can challenge that by requesting that they prove liquidated damages from your actions. All they could prove would be the cost of the actual towing. They couldn’t charge you for the rent of their yard or the cost of paying the towee as those are not liquated damages (i.e. they are costs incurred regardless of your actions). So really it’s pretty much just the gas used in towing you.

    The same applies to private car parks that attempt to impose fines for parking without a ticket or overstaying the ticket. They must also prove liquidated damages. They cannot fine you and if they send you a request to pay a fine (they won’t call it a fine) then you can request that they prove liquidated damages and you can put them on notice that if they send the debt to a collection agency they will be liable for defamation by falsely communicating to a third party that you do not pay your debts when in fact the debt was in dispute. As with towing, their liquidated damages will be very small (perhaps the time spent without a ticket).

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  55. Manolo (13,516 comments) says:

    What leadership?
    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304747404579445170801186310?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304747404579445170801186310.html

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/373573/krauthammers-take-obama-being-ridiculed-russians-nro-staff

    The Messiah will go down in history as an amateur, a piss-weak, incompetent president.

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  56. David Garrett (6,739 comments) says:

    kowtow: Thanks very much…I managed to read the essentials despite the annoying “pop up” which I couldnt get rid of…

    I suppose it is only a matter of time before we too have “dollars” and…what? “Patu”? “kina”? Some Maori academic will suddenly inform us that he has discovered that the ancient Maori had a currency which the uncary honkey destroyed and replaced by “pounds” in 1840…therefore at the very least we must have a Maori name for the dollar…You heard it here first…

    SGA: According to the BMI I am “grossly obese”…but then I was “overweight” bordering on “obese” at my fighting weight of 87kg ( I am 5’9″ tall) 25 years ago…at a time when my doctor was concerned that I was over excercising and had got too skinny…

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  57. kowtow (7,932 comments) says:

    So Russia is accused of creating a chain of conflicts around the Black Sea?

    Similar to the “democratic, peace loving” west creating a chain of conflicts around the ME and the Mediterranean ?

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  58. cha (3,856 comments) says:

    The Messiah Mitt will go down in history as an amateur, a piss-weak, incompetent president loser.

    FIFY

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  59. dirty harry (444 comments) says:

    Hot tip for those with a bit of spare cash…jump on Mighty River Power shares. Now that Liarbor has effectively shagged itself again , there is no way in hell they will win the next election. Hence MRP will be on the rebound as they took a dive when Liarbor/Greens mouthed off about fiddling with the electricity sector. They have a value around 2.70 and are sitting on 2.07 today c/d.

    Your welcome.

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  60. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    Andrei
    Do you believe the referendum in Crimea was a legitimate act of self-determination? There were only two options: independence or join Russia.

    Actually Cha the second option wasn’t “independence” it was to return to the constitutional arrangement between Ukraine and Crimea agreed to in 1991 when Ukraine declared independence.

    According to the results, monitored by international independent observers including some from the EU and USA the turnout was 83.1% of eligible voters (far far higher than we achieved in our last elections) who voted 96.77% to ask to Join the Russian Federation.

    And the reason for this high result is obvious (who wants to live in a bankrupt country with an illegally installed Government which cannot even pay the wages of the people who keep it functioning on a day to day basis)

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  61. tom hunter (4,563 comments) says:

    Of all the theories I’ve read about MH370 I think this is one of the most plausible: A Startlingly Simple Theory.

    It’s written by an experienced airline pilot and the synopsis is that the plane suffered an electrical fire, probably started by an under-inflated, overheated tire in the nose landing gear. The fire was already underway as the pilots signed off to Malaysian ATC and hit the electrical buses controlling ACARS.

    Under the approach of “Aviate, navigate, and lastly, communicate, the pilots programmed a turn into the Flight Management System which sent the plane towards the runway of Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles (rather than back to KL, which has 8000 foot high mountains on the approach). The writer says that he was always aware of what alternate landing areas were available throughout the course of his flights, and assumes the highly experienced Captain in this case would have thought similarly.

    However, the fire took hold and incapacitated the crew before they could do anything else, at which point the plane continued to fly on this course into the Indian Ocean until it ran out of fuel.

    I do wonder if this is the reason for the reported search efforts now being conducted by the Royal Australian Navy in the Indian Ocean off Western Australia?

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  62. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    tom
    What no terrorism; no conspiracy? That’ll disappoint a lot of people.

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  63. JMS (314 comments) says:

    Andrei (2,347 comments) says:
    March 19th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    ……. the Crimeans want to become a part of the Russian Federation, they have said so unambiguously.

    If the referendum had been completely free and fair, I’m sure there still would have been a majority for Russia.

    But this whole thing highlights both Russia’s and the West’s stunning hypocrisy.

    What about Kosovo, Chechnya, northern Cyprus. Both sides pick and choose their approaches according to what suits them. ‘Democracy’ if they want change, ‘territorial integrity’ if they don’t.

    The US has done many things wrong, but to suggest they are worse than Russia is laughable.

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  64. Lucia Maria (2,239 comments) says:

    Andrei,

    Ah, yes, those international observers…

    The place to find observers is in Europe, where the multiple levels of administration—local, regional, national, European—provide a glut of people with impressive-sounding titles and a lot of time on their hands. I shared a plane into Simferopol with several members of the Flemish parliament, who equated Crimea’s referendum with their own desire to shed the chafing Belgian yoke.

    “If it’s legal or illegal does not matter because every nation has the right to say that it can be independent. When a nation wants to be independent or wants to go on its own, we must allow it to,” said Frank Creyelman, as we waited to board in Moscow.

    He said he had been invited to observe the poll by an organisation called EODE, though he couldn’t remember what the acronym stands for—“Eurasian Democracy something something.”

    The letters EODE actually stand for Eurasian Observatory for Democracy and Elections, and it declares on its website that it shares the values of “the current Russian leadership and V.V. Putin.” It had apparently managed to persuade a whole group of European nonentities that it was a respectable organisation, however, including Fabrizio Bertot, an Italian member of the European Parliament. “I’m not in charge of them, they just invited me. I know just the name, that’s enough. It’s the Eurasian Observatory, so I’m here to observe,” he told me after giving a press conference to a thicket of Russian television cameras.

    So, the international observers organisation observing in Crimea was set up by Russia and agree with Putin’s values. Hmmmm….

    The writer (author of the Last Man in Russia: The Struggle to Save a Dying Nation) could also be considered an “international observer”, and this is what he observed:

    In a polling station in a school in the mainly Tatar region of Kamenka, local officials declined to tell me how many people had come to vote, and explained away the fact that not a single person came in during the half-hour I was there.

    “It’s just that it’s lunchtime so there is no one here. Besides, today is Sunday so people are relaxing, they are busy at home, doing home things,” said Alexander Ovtsenov, deputy chairman of the commission.

    Link: The Crimean Referendum to Join Russia Was an Unconstitutional Sham

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  65. Chuck Bird (4,763 comments) says:

    Teacher faked cancer to get close to student’s mum
    KATIE KENNY

    The student and her mother wanted the tribunal’s decision to identify the teacher for the sake of public interest and because the names of those involved were already published online.

    The council disagreed, saying this was a case “tinged with great sadness”.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/9839897/Teacher-faked-cancer-to-get-close-to-student

    The MSM have been very quiet about this. A teenage girl is abuse by some sick deviant teacher and the offender gets name suppression. Unlike a complaint to the police it appears that the mother of the teen ended up paying 60% of the costs of trying to get justice.

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  66. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “the Crimeans want to become a part of the Russian Federation, they have said so unambiguously.”

    Two problems with that. Not everyone did vote to join Russia. Majorities are not always right.

    But more importantly, the “referendum” was held under the gun of an occupying army that had zero legal or moral right to be there. Crimea is still legally part of the Ukraine, an apparently irrelevant fact to you, and Russia has no basis on which to go around carving other nations up. The Ukraine did not initiate force against Russia. The referendum is therefore fraudulent.

    Russia is engaged in racial empire building, nothing more, nothing less. They are following the German playbook of the 1930′s.

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  67. Manolo (13,516 comments) says:

    Money for the bros: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8816369/kohanga-subsidiary-under-investigation

    The Department of Internal Affairs is looking into the financial dealings of Te Kohanga Reo National Trust’s subsidiary, Te Pataka Ohanga.

    An independent audit by Ernst and Young of the trust that runs Kohanga Reo – Maori language pre-schools – has cleared it of misusing public money. But the allegations that prompted the audit, which related to Te Pataka Ohanga (TPO), weren’t covered by the investigation.

    It was alleged that Dame Iritana Tawhiwhirangi and her daughter-in-law Lynda Tawhiwhirangi, managers of TPO had wrongly spent thousands of dollars on TPO credit cards.

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  68. kowtow (7,932 comments) says:

    tom hunter

    The annoying fool who presents TVNZ morning show read that out.Why he bothered speculating I don’t know,time wasting!

    Because the big problem with that theory.Last radio contact ws a goodnight!

    When, if that theory had any merit it would have been “M’aidez,m’aidez,maidez,Lankawi we’re on the way.”

    Now I’m going to speculate.Pilot went stupid(Mrs left him, Anwar Ibrahim imprisoned for sodomy ,whatever) ,deliberately flew off course,ran out of fuel ,crashed in Indian Ocean.In time to come there will be some wreckage found.

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  69. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Tojo Cunliffe: What are your plans for Anzac Day? Being a pacifist, intent on disestablishing our RSA movement, and also being critical of dropping the bombs, instead of sacrificing many thousands of Allied lives, you would clarify everyone’s thoughts that you are not only a hypocrite, but also a dangerous and devious sod who is not to be trusted or tolerated, if you dare attend any parades of respect.

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  70. JMS (314 comments) says:

    My point was the BMI is a hugely flawed measure of healthy weight vs. obesity.

    The BMI is not even logical.
    Firstly it’s based on the square of a persons height, not the cube. I’m not saying it should be based on the cube entirely, but it just shows how arbitrary it is. And it doesn’t differentiate fat from muscle.

    It’s a bit like that old saying, “i before e except after c”. there are so many exceptions to it so that it’s actually not a good guide.

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  71. dirty harry (444 comments) says:

    Question. Who is David Parker ? Where is David Parker ? What does David Parker do all day ?

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  72. Lucia Maria (2,239 comments) says:

    From President Putin’s Fiction: 10 False Claims about Ukraine:

    4. Mr. Putin says: Ukraine’s government is illegitimate. Yanukovych is still the legitimate leader of Ukraine.

    The Facts: On March 4, President Putin himself acknowledged the reality that Yanukovych “has no political future.” After Yanukovych fled Ukraine, even his own Party of Regions turned against him, voting to confirm his withdrawal from office and to support the new government. Ukraine’s new government was approved by the democratically elected Ukrainian Parliament, with 371 votes – more than an 82% majority. The interim government of Ukraine is a government of the people, which will shepherd the country toward democratic elections on May 25th – elections that will allow all Ukrainians to have a voice in the future of their country.

    How is the Government of Ukraine illegal?

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  73. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    Russia has no basis on which to go around carving other nations up

    The USA under Billy Clinton bombed the Sovereign Nation of Yugoslavia into non existence killing tens of thousands of Serb civilians in the process. men women and children, a war crime for which Billy Clinton should face trial – but wont.

    Spare me the hypocrisy

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  74. Pete George (23,310 comments) says:

    On the currency agreement with China:

    @OliverGI

    Real story with yuan/NZD exchange is China are testing how to exclude USD. If it works with NZ, they open it up to the rest of the world.

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  75. Lucia Maria (2,239 comments) says:

    Cha,

    I think every country in that area is very worried, especially those who were part of the old USSR or satellite states. Poland is nervously eying Kaliningrad, right on it border: This Russian Exclave Has Poland Worried About What Putin Will Do Next.

    Putin’s invasion in Crimea and his apparent willingness to redraw international borders to have set Eastern Europe and the Baltic States on edge.

    Russian forces poured into the strategic Black Sea region under the pretext of protecting ethnic Russians from “lawlessness,” setting a dangerous precedent for the Kremlin’s intervention in the region.

    Nadia Diuk, the vice president at the National Endowment for Democracy, explained on PBS Newshour why Poland is particularly concerned right now:

    “There’s a place called Kaliningrad, which is kind of in between Lithuania and — and Poland right now, and that is actually part of Russia that could be a staging ground for all sorts of incursions. So — and as well, Poland, I think, traditionally has suffered a lot from Russian overreach, so not surprising that they would be worried right now.”

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  76. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    dirty harry: David Parker is a financial spokesman for Labour, his qualifications being gained running a small business venture bankrupt during good trading times, totally ruining his business partner, both financially and physically. Following this he entered politics, then lied to Parliament regarding his poor business practices, was relegated to the back of the class by Clark, and was washed up as future Labour leadership material . . . he is a plausible and devious little leech.

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  77. JMS (314 comments) says:

    Andrei (2,349 comments) says:
    March 19th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    Russia has no basis on which to go around carving other nations up

    The USA under Billy Clinton bombed the Sovereign Nation of Yugoslavia into non existence killing tens of thousands of Serb civilians in the process. men women and children, a war crime for which Billy Clinton should face trial – but wont.

    Spare me the hypocrisy

    Yes, Clinton is a hypocrite. But so is Putin. So are you.

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  78. kowtow (7,932 comments) says:

    Slick Willy murdered Serbians to distract the public from the lewinsky affair.As disgusting an example of the modern progressive politician as you’ll ever get.

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  79. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    How is the Government of Ukraine illegal?

    The ELECTED via the Ballot box Government of Ukraine was overthrown by an armed mob who intimidated the deputies they disapproved with violence while allowing others, some not deputies at all to enter the Rada and appoint themselves as the Government.

    This is actually reminiscint of how the Nazi’s seized power and a significant number of the new unelected deputies are in fact fascists.

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  80. tom hunter (4,563 comments) says:

    Because the big problem with that theory.Last radio contact ws a goodnight!

    It is all speculation I agree. But the theory I outlined points out that the fire would have been churning away in the nose wheel well for some time and just happened to hit the electrical systems a minute or so after they sign off with MATC: they pull the circuit breakers to try and quell the fire – killing the transponder and ACARS – and after that they’re too damned busy following the aviate, navigate, communicate rule to call out a Mayday, and by the time they might be able to do so they’re either incapacitated and/or the comms system has been fried as well.

    The pilot writing this theory points out similar fires, crew actions, and similar loss of transponder/ACARS on a DC10 flight, plus a “well known” nose-wheel fire in Nigeria. But more than that, he bashes a lot of holes in all the other theories.

    His theory – like any other – does not have to be perfect, it merely has to be better than the others given what is known to date.

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  81. Kiwi Dave (81 comments) says:

    DG @10:18. I recall the BMI’s of an All Black team being published several years ago. Every single one was overweight or obese.

    I had a healthy BMI of 22-23 at that time. However, I suspect a team of Kiwi Dave clones would have gone down about 200-0 in a match against the AB’s.

    A measurement of physical health which ignores strength, cardio fitness and does not distinguish between muscle and fat can never be more than a very crude starting point indicator of health.

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  82. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    I just travelled one hundred km down the Auckland motorway system.
    Keeping to the left lane unless passing and to the speed limit I easly went past all the traffic on the road with me.

    To the cop sitting at just past karaka in a camera van passively collecting revenue.
    Get of your fat donut scoffing arse and do some thing about the obstructive wankers who block our roads with their road hogging ignorant and illegal behaviour.

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  83. flipper (3,838 comments) says:

    griffith (201 comments) says:

    March 19th, 2014 at 9:04 am

    flipper

    I find sports reporters a bunch of hyperbolic retards

    similar to your Immature unable to communicate clearly and absolutely no idea of authority style.

    So I can understand why you like them
    *****

    I do not think that anyone, your mother included, gives a flying F what you think you find.

    The fact is griff. griffin. griffith, yoza,rossie69, dumbass, or whatever pseudonym you have adopted this week, your adherence to the warmist cult, and your inability to read and comprehend, has already indelibly stained you as a fool….just like one of those idiot would be Marxist-Leninists that still inhabit the unions, the IPCC, silly NGOs, and the once proud, but now disgraced Royal Society.

    Take another holiday… this time at the bottom of the Mariana Trench and look for all that warming you say is hiding down there.

    Good bye.

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  84. JMS (314 comments) says:

    This is actually reminiscint of how the Nazi’s seized power and a significant number of the new unelected deputies are in fact fascists.

    And Putin’s actions aren’t reminiscent of Hitler’s actions in the late 1930s ???

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  85. seanmaitland (472 comments) says:

    @wreck1080: “My goodness, the kiwi dollar shot into the stratosphere last night. Must be a record high against the USA, and certainly a new record on the trade weighted index.”

    Allegedly in 1973 it was 1.49 USD to the NZD, so quite a way off a record high. I can’t confirm this as I wasn’t alive.

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  86. EAD (821 comments) says:

    @ Andrei,

    It’s interesting isn’t it – this delusional attempt by our media to take the moral high ground whilst omitting any facts that counter their version of events is falling on deaf ears I’m afraid. Whilst highly unscientific, my earlier post and Komata’s immediately afterwards have a ratio of green ticks to red as at 11.05am in a ratio of 3:1

    The problem the media have is that we’ve all become far too hardened and aware of their deception techniques or “Newsspeak” as George Orwell called it.

    They say “annexation” by Russia – we see overwhelming support from the Citizens where a referendum result is actually listened to (incidentally just like Gibraltar, Falkland Islands…). JK ignores an 87% no vote in the smacking referendum whilst the leaders of the UK have not given the electorate a vote on being in the EU in over 40 years despite a majority wanting out.

    They support a violent coup d’état of an elected Leader, yet condemn a peaceful referendum.

    They say “invasion” of Ukraine – we see the Russians are only putting troops that are allowed to be there by way of signed agreement in bases they already have.

    The media tells us that Islam is a religion of peace and Russia is a “rogue” state yet I don’t see Russia blowing up trains and buses in Europe; decapitating civilians; calling for a worldwide soviet caliphate or turning cities across the civilised world into bomb-happy war zones.

    I don’t hold Putin up as shining light of political greatness, he is no Churchill or Jefferson, but I respect him for the sole reason that unlike most of our selfie taking, tweeting so called Leaders, he is a Statesmen, he means what he says and he looks out for his people. David Cameron, Tony Blair, George Bush, Barack Obama? Noway in hell, give me Putin every day of the week over those chameleons.

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  87. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Andrei,

    your an intelligent and moral man, so you know as well as I do that the problem with your argument about Clinton, even if your take on Yugoslavia is right (arguable), is that two wrongs do not make a right.

    Saying “but everyone else does it” is not an argument a parent would accept from their children.

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  88. seanmaitland (472 comments) says:

    @KiwiDave – I bef to differ on that – when it comes to children BMI can be used as a reasonably good indicator of a child being overweight. Children don’t have much in the way of muscles, certainly pre-teen children.

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  89. David Garrett (6,739 comments) says:

    Kiwi Dave: Very well put…my point exactly.

    Griff: You can be quite sensible when you are not pontificating about global warming….my regular route into town is on the northern motorway from Silverdale..If there is a revenue gatherer about, he is sitting on the long downward sloping straight in the northbound lane between the BP and the Lonely Track Road overbridge…you really have to be careful not to drift a tad over 100 there…Noone will convince me that a cop in that position, in broad daylight on a dry road, is doing anything other than revenue gathering…if doing 110 kph there is “unsafe” we may as well all trade in our cars for the wooden bikes the Greens would have us all riding…

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  90. stephieboy (2,524 comments) says:

    Andrei, on your list you mention Kosovo as an example of US aggression. Blatantly false. The Kosovo conflict came about as the result of the disintegration of the former dictator Tito’s Yugoslavia , coinciding with the break up of the former Soviet Empire. It was in fact a UN and NATO sponsored intervention on behalf of especially Muslim Albanian minorities living in Kosovo and Bosnia.
    I suppose you’ll be next telling us the massacre charges laid against President Slobodan Milošević, along with Milan Milutinović, Nikola Šainović, etc were fabricated or a figment of our imaginations. ?

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  91. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    http://hippynzspeaks.tumblr.com/post/79952625170/gcsb-starts-spying-on-duck-hunters-the-new-terror

    GCSB Starts Spying On Duck Hunters, The New Terror Threat

    In recent months the National government of New Zealand has become more and more concerned about duck hunters. Reports show their concerns are on three key issues.

    One issue is they gather in secret in the early hours of the morning in remote areas with very little observation by members of the public and often a very long way from any police presence.

    Another issue is they tend to talk in hushed tones, often using hand signals and special whistles.

    But the main issue is that duck hunters have guns and constantly gather in groups wearing military style clothing and practicing military manoeuvres and tactics. John Key has stated that “they are practicing these tactics in marshy areas, often spending hours on the edges of lakes that have no ducks on or near them, this is rather suspicious”. When it was pointed out to him that this has been done for many generations, head responded with “yes, this shows how cleaver they are and how easily they could have hidden Al-Qaeda members for years without being detected. It shows they did a better job of going unseen than the gathering of militants in the Ururewas” This reporter also mentioned duck hunters do this in almost every country in the world. To which the response was “yes, that is what is so concerning, it shows this is a global terror network that is doing a very good job of covering up their activities.”

    It was disclosed that the GCSB will be monitoring duck hunters for the foreseeable future. When asked how, Mr Key stated he could not disclose the methods. But a source managed to capture a photo of what appears to be prime minister John Key trying out a new GCSB camouflage system at a top secret project launch.

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  92. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    Putin is not going to go for Poland Lucyna – Poland apart from anything else is part of NATO and any incursions into Poland would trigger WW3 instantly.

    Putin is the smartest world leader on the worlds stage today, not the dumbest, thats why he is running rings around Obama as we speak.

    The West should have let Russia bail out Ukraine last year and all this grief would have been avoided.

    Now the West has to come up with the money to keep it going, the conditions they will impose upon their loans will ensure continuing turmoil while Crimea which is out of it is likely to become more prosperous.

    Really the West and Obama have shot themselves in the foot over this

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  93. Ross12 (1,270 comments) says:

    PG @ 11.00 China might be looking at getting away from the USD to some extent. That tweet is wrong –there 5 other currencies exchanging directly with the Yuan and now NZD makes 6 ( or it could 6 already and we are number 7)

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  94. JMS (314 comments) says:

    @ EAD

    you praise Churchill. He would certainly disagree with you on this, and if still alive today would rightly accuse the West of appeasement.

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  95. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    ……………I knew it a commie plot……..

    …………The ipcc is run by commies………….

    ……….intent on taking over the world!:shock:…….

    ;;;;;;….. All the sienctists as well
    we are all going to die

    how will we the tinfoiul bragade

    now I Am a TRUE beliver ….

    We musyent allow the nasty peploe in unerversitys and NGO and the un and everymajor sientific nody in the world

    After all whatr we they no

    tjat we couldent find out

    at heartland

    http://heartland.org/issues/environment

    the treu beliver must over take all the climate scientist and govertments and ngo and scientidic bofies because sciense isnr real…

    PS the motor way trip was to get a bulk supply of tinfoil and a cross to ward of evil scientists. :lol:

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  96. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    ShawnLH

    Russia hasn’t bombed anyone and isn’t bombing anyone anywhere in this world of tears.

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  97. JMS (314 comments) says:

    Putin is the smartest world leader on the worlds stage today, not the dumbest, thats why he is running rings around Obama as we speak.

    Lucky for Putin. If a Reagan or a George Bush Senior were president, Putin would be sitting on the naughty chair in tears by now.

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  98. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “The West should have let Russia bail out Ukraine last year and all this grief would have been avoided.”

    No it wouldn’t. The Russian “bailout” was a bribe that came with Imperial strings attached, and would have led to conflict anyway.

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  99. Ross12 (1,270 comments) says:

    I see Newstalk ZB is joining the lefty ranks. Earlier this morning I heard them saying they had requested information from Govt. ministers on how much contact they had with bloggers. No mention of requesting similar information off Labour/Greens MPs.

    Now I read they are pushing Collins for full details of her trip to China. Did they ask Len Brown for full details of his trip to Hong Kong ??

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  100. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “Russia hasn’t bombed anyone and isn’t bombing anyone anywhere in this world of tears.”

    Georgia. Chechnya. And the armed occupation of part of the Ukraine.

    Force is force.

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  101. JMS (314 comments) says:

    Russia hasn’t bombed anyone and isn’t bombing anyone anywhere in this world of tears.

    LOL

    Chechnya, forgotten that one already have you Andrei?

    If the Ukrainians were resisting militarily, and the West didn’t pledge to help them, Putin would be bombing them as well.

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  102. stephieboy (2,524 comments) says:

    kowtow (6,550 comments) says:
    March 19th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    “Slick Willy murdered Serbians to distract the public from the lewinsky affair.As disgusting an example of the modern progressive politician as you’ll ever get.”

    That is a bare faced lie.! There is no evidence of massacres or murders of Serbian civilians by US or NAT forces. Naturally GWB’s, Rumsfield’s and Cheyney’s etc invasion of Iraq is not a disgusting example of Conservative modern politics.?
    Naturally again the massacre of Muslim civilians ,or Croatian Catholics for that matter is justified.?
    Andrei, not bombed anyone in this world of Tears,?? Chechnya.? Basher al Assad.?
    Poland next.?

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  103. dirty harry (444 comments) says:

    @igm..yes I read about his slippery past..both personal and business. You never hear from the man. As opposition spokeman on finance he should be right up Bill English’s arse every time he opens his mouth , but you hear nothing. Me thinks he well out of his depth.

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  104. David Garrett (6,739 comments) says:

    wiki: Most amusing…but then my late father always seemed to have a “Lodge meeting” after he had been duckshooting…

    Oh dear dear Griff…now you go and spoil it…

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  105. tom hunter (4,563 comments) says:

    … and a significant number of the new unelected deputies are in fact fascists.

    Given the history of the Ukraine it would hardly be a surprise if there are fascists present, and that some are now “unelected deputies”. But I would love to know what the exact number is so I can judge for myself whether it is “significant” (10%, 20%?)

    And of course condemning Ukrainians for cozying up to the Nazis in WWII to fight Stalin really does not hold much accusatory water in light of Stalin himself cozying up to the facists earlier for equally pragmatic reasons.

    Finally there is the fact that Russia itself has an extraordinary number of fascists, many of whom are quite prominent:

    The roots of Eurasianism go back to czarist émigrés interacting with fascist thinkers in between-the-wars France and Germany. But in recent years, its primary exponent has been the very prominent and prolific political theorist Aleksandr Dugin.

    Dugin ran for the Duma on the NBP ticket in 1995, but got only 1 percent of the vote. So, switching tactics, he abandoned the effort to build his own splinter party and instead adopted the more productive strategy of becoming the idea man for all the bigger parties, including Putin’s United Russia, Ziuganov’s CPRF, and Vladimir Zhirinovsky’s ultranationalist Liberal Democratic Party of Russia. In this role he has succeeded brilliantly.

    Indeed, his ideas even influence people far from Russia:

    The core idea of Dugin’s Eurasianism is that “liberalism” (by which is meant the entire Western consensus) represents an assault on the traditional hierarchical organization of the world. Repeating the ideas of Nazi theorists Karl Haushofer, Rudolf Hess, Carl Schmitt, and Arthur Moeller van der Bruck, Dugin says that this liberal threat is not new, but is the ideology of the maritime cosmopolitan power “Atlantis,” which has conspired to subvert more conservative land-based societies since ancient times.

    He would adopt Communism’s opposition to free enterprise. However, he would drop the Marxist commitment to technological progress, a liberal-derived ideal, in favor of Ecologism’s demagogic appeal to stop the advance of industry and modernity. From Traditionalism, he derives a justification for stopping free thought. All the rest is straight out of Nazism, ranging from legal theories justifying unlimited state power and the elimination of individual rights, to the need for populations “rooted” in the soil, to weird gnostic ideas about the secret origin of the Aryan race in the North Pole.

    It does not get more Fascist than that, and Putin is following that playbook in word and deed.

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  106. Ed Snack (1,794 comments) says:

    Tom, that nosewheel fire theory has too many holes in it for my liking. To espouse it you have to toss out the course data gleaned from Malaysian military radar as corroborated by satellite pings (and recently by Thai military and initially by Vietnamese military); that showed the aircraft navigating a deliberate course across to the West Coast away from the nearest suitable airfield (probably Ho Chi Minh City). We’re also told that there is evidence that the systems (transponder and ACARS) were turned off in a deliberate fashion (logged out for ACARS) rather than electrically isolated; also the SATCOM system remained active, and VHF was supposedly on at 1:30 am.

    It’s not impossible, just about nothing is, but he’s grasping at straws to find a “simple” explanation as a combination of highly unlikely events as opposed to an obvious and simple explanation (pilot hijacking) that has rather defies our understanding of WHY.

    It should be noted that the T7 has fairly sophisticated fault detecting systems, an under inflated/flat nose wheel should generate an ACARS message at take-off, as should a fire before it burns through anything as significant as half the nose internal structure to get to the avionics bay under the cockpit. But it comes back to if the aircraft could be flown so carefully under control why was not attempt made to reduce altitude for a start, then attempt to communicate by some method. We know the SATCOM system was operational.

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  107. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Andrei (2,351 comments) says:
    March 19th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    …thats why he is running rings around Obama as we speak.

    Obama is the principal reason many conservatives love Putin.

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  108. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Tom,

    spot on. The influence of Dugin on the Kremlin makes any arguments about fascists in the Ukraine remarkably hypocritical.

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  109. Fletch (6,142 comments) says:

    So many theories about the Malaysian flight…
    Who knows?

    At this point, even the plot of TinTin and the Flight 714 would be as plausible…

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  110. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    dirty harry: David Parker’s personal past is vile, and is not worth repeating on this site. He is typical of the rodents that festoon Labour Party ranks. I don’t think he qualifies for rainbow room attentions . . . yet! He sits in the House along with the effeminate Lees-Galloway exposing supercilious grins on their faces when Cunliffe is trying to gain traction at Q and A. He is a woofter.

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  111. Fletch (6,142 comments) says:

    It looks like Thailand had some knowledge of where the plane was earlier on, but didn’t share…
    Actually, a bit mean.

    BANGKOK (AP) — Thailand’s military said Tuesday that its radar detected a plane that may have been Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 just minutes after the jetliner’s communications went down, and that it didn’t share the information with Malaysia earlier because it wasn’t specifically asked for it.

    When asked why it took so long to release the information, Montol said, “Because we did not pay any attention to it. The Royal Thai Air Force only looks after any threats against our country, so anything that did not look like a threat to us, we simply look at it without taking actions.”

     He said the plane never entered Thai airspace and that Malaysia’s initial request for information in the early days of the search was not specific.

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysia-airlines-missing-jet-thailand-gives-radar-data-10-days-after-plane-lost-20140319-hvk7i.html

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  112. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “Obama is the principal reason many conservatives love Putin.”

    Yes, and as a conservative I find it disgusting and embarrassing. I oppose many of Obama’s policies fiercely, but opposing Obama is no excuse for supporting “anyone but”.

    Some “conservatives” are no better than those on the Left who suffered from Bush Derangement Syndrome.

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  113. stephieboy (2,524 comments) says:

    Shawn, classic . Bush Derangement Syndrome.!
    Lets see who possibly suffer acutely from it.?
    Lets see- kowtow, manolo…. etc ??

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  114. Fletch (6,142 comments) says:

    I see that Michelle Obama and her daughters are off on yet another vacation – this time to China.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/17/michelle-obama-and-family-take-another-taxpayer-funded-trip/#ixzz2wHY3Dbrp

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  115. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    tom hunter (3,888 comments) says:
    March 19th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    It is all speculation I agree. But the theory I outlined points out that the fire would have been churning away in the nose wheel well for some time and just happened to hit the electrical systems a minute or so after they sign off with MATC: they pull the circuit breakers to try and quell the fire – killing the transponder and ACARS – and after that they’re too damned busy following the aviate, navigate, communicate rule to call out a Mayday, and by the time they might be able to do so they’re either incapacitated and/or the comms system has been fried as well.

    How does one have a fire so severe that it incapacitates the flight crew but then existinguishes itself and allows the plane to fly for hours afterwards?

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  116. tom hunter (4,563 comments) says:

    Tom, that nosewheel fire theory has too many holes in it for my liking.

    Fair enough, though I do wonder if the combination of military radar and pings detected by non-geostationary satellites can really produce as accurate a record of the planes flightpath as we’ve been told? I’m also curious as to how one would tell from the outside whether a system like ACARS had been shut down deliberately or simply had its power circuit breakers pulled? I assume there would be an internal log that could tell the difference, as with any computerised system, but for an outside observer?

    The pilot hijack theory had been my primary candiadte for days, but you would think that something about the “WHY” would have shown up by now in the backgrounds of either pilot? Perhaps it’s just the Malaysian security people being either incompetent or close-mouthed?

    How does one have a fire so severe …

    Smoke rather than fire is the incapacitating factor and certain types of fire can smoulder for a long time without becoming a raging inferno.

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  117. Ed Snack (1,794 comments) says:

    Fletch, that we should be so lucky as a “Flight 714″ scenario !

    If nothing is found at all in the Australian search in the South, the aircraft may never be found. Every day is scattering any wreckage further and it’s damn deep down there.

    I find it just vaguely interesting that the projected search area is almost equidistant from all the bits of land in the (very) general area, SW Australia, Heard Island, Marion Island, and Kerguelen. I think Kerguelen has a reasonable airfield and of course there are airfields in Perth and Albany at least, but the other two are a bit small.

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  118. cha (3,856 comments) says:

    And the referendum observers, oh dear.

    http://anton-shekhovtsov.blogspot.co.nz/2014/03/pro-russian-extremists-observe.html

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  119. stephieboy (2,524 comments) says:

    Fletch, I think I know where your Daily Caller is coming from re Michelle’s visit to China,

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/22/lord-monckton-im-no-birther-but-obama-birth-certificate-plainly-a-forgery/

    Note in reality its not Lord Monckton but should read Christopher or maybe more perceptively ,clown.!

    BTW His”Lordship” is not and never has been a member of the House of Lords,

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/jul/18/climate-monckton-member-house-lords

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  120. Lucia Maria (2,239 comments) says:

    More on the turnout for the vote in Crimea:

    123% of Sevastopol voted for a merger with Russia

    The article is translated from Russian, so I can’t really verify myself as to how accurate it is. But it doesn’t look like that interpretation is wrong, given that numbers are shown:

    “At the end of last year, the population was 385,462 Sebastopol man. This tailored to the children who did not have the right to vote. 474,137 – 385,462 = 88,675 people accidentally appeared in Sevastopol during the referendum. 474 137/385 462 * 100 = 123% of Sevastopol voted for entry into Russia … I mean, come all – and infants, schoolchildren, and I suspect that the dead “- said teh-nomad.

    It is likely the same “error” can be extended to a whole Crimea.

    I reckon those international observers weren’t doing their jobs properly.

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  121. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Group think.

    David.

    It not particularly intelligent or wise on my present subject of choice.

    AGW is not of left or right.

    It is one that we should follow the advice of science on.

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  122. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Lucia
    I think the international observers were probably doing exactly the job they were recruited for – providing a fig leaf.

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  123. cha (3,856 comments) says:

    Ukraine press translated.

    http://maidantranslations.com/category/voices-of-revolution/

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  124. David Garrett (6,739 comments) says:

    Griff: I am far more worried about the post antibiotic world, which is definitely almost upon us, and which will have far more marked effects – like death – than possible AGW…about which we down in our little Kingdom can do absolutely nothing…

    (Not sure we can do anything about the fading effects of anti-biotics either, but it’s a far more sensible thing to worry about)

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  125. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    So many theories about the Malaysian flight…
    Who knows?

    Another way of looking at the problem is to look at all the available evidence and then look at the reactions to the evidence.

    For example:
    1. Mayalsia initially reported that flight 370 had flown off-course, but later retracted this.
    2. The failure of the MSM to address to question of why the plane disappeared from civilian radar and yet was visible on military radar.
    3. The failure of the MSM to address the issue of Boeing’s uninterruptible autopilot as a possible hijack mechanism.

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  126. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    The parallel between the break up of Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union is obvious.

    In both cases the reaction is a greater Serbia or greater Russian nationalism, whereby the existence of Serbs or Russians beyond borders is used as an excuse to interfere in the politics of the former republics of Yugoslavia and Soviet Union.

    In each case armed Serbs and armed Russians emerge, apparently unrelated to the Serbian or Russian military, apart from the arms and training.

    The difference is that Russia has nukes and cannot be bombed, thus feels it can get away with it.

    The question for the rest of the world is do new states have collective security rights? And do nation states once recognised – have the right to determine whether elections on secession are held, rather than a neighbouring state that occupies its territory and holds an election under occupation?

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  127. sbk (310 comments) says:

    geez Griff…it must really fuck you off….me and my V8′s….sbk(and others) doing his bit to keep the world from cooling …yeah baby…just bought another badly tuned monster…just for the fumes…spewing tons of precious co2( there goes any saving in temperature the tax may have brought about…bugger)

    and what is Griff doing….sitting on his arse visiting KB preaching to the unbelievers(yep… that will make a world of difference …as evidenced by world-wide belief in the Global warming scam plummeting faster than the temperature)…about time you got off your arse son and got more pro-active.. not reactive, ala sbk,”creating co2 since the early sixties…and loving it.”

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  128. OneTrack (2,813 comments) says:

    “AGW is not of left or right.”

    And what should we do about AGW.

    I know, lets:

    impose some more taxes – lefty check
    impose some more regulations – lefty check
    restrictions on what people are allowed to do – left check
    centralise all government control to the United Nations – lefty check
    threaten deniers with jail ( or worse 10:10? ) for their heretical statements – lefty check

    It’s hard left all right.

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  129. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    tom, the incapacity of the pilots theory – has to account for the climb (to starve the fire of oxygen or the passengers or to avoid radar) and then decline and levelling off before continuing to fly until fuel ran out.

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  130. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (836 comments) says:

    Cunliffe’s forestry policy is a great winner folks…..

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  131. cha (3,856 comments) says:

    Rumbles in Moldova and the Balkans.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26627236

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/18/uk-ukraine-crisis-bosniaherzegovina-idUKBREA2H1MP20140318

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  132. tom hunter (4,563 comments) says:

    … has to account for the climb …

    Depends on how quickly they were incapacitated. But in any case, from the article I linked to:

    As for the reports of altitude fluctuations, given that this was not transponder-generated data but primary radar at maybe 200 miles, the azimuth readings can be affected by a lot of atmospherics and I would not have high confidence in this being totally reliable.

    But let’s accept for a minute that the pilot may have ascended to 45,000 feet in a last-ditch effort to quell a fire by seeking the lowest level of oxygen. That is an acceptable scenario. At 45,000 feet, it would be tough to keep this aircraft stable, as the flight envelope is very narrow and loss of control in a stall is entirely possible. The aircraft is at the top of its operational ceiling. The reported rapid rates of descent could have been generated by a stall, followed by a recovery at 25,000 feet. The pilot may even have been diving to extinguish flames

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  133. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    One Track, is every global problem that requires co-operation to resolve a left wing conspiracy?

    Are the trade rules of the global market, such as corporate property rights, a right wing conspiracy?

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  134. JMS (314 comments) says:

    The difference is that Russia has nukes and cannot be bombed, thus feels it can get away with it.

    The West wouldn’t even need to bomb Russia.

    Comprehensive sanctions, blanket denial of visas, freezing of assets, stopping all EU-Russia commercial flights.

    It would certainly also hurt the EU, but Russia would be on its knees.

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  135. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    I stopped using antibiotics when I first found out about the problem years ago.

    Prophylactic use as a matter of course should be discontinued/discouraged for livestock as well as humans.
    The modern rage for obsessive disinfecting will have the same result. Along with over protecting leaving your immune system deficient when infection does set it.

    As time continues the chances of an infection causing a widespread decline in population is increases. It is a when not if.
    Modern transport has the potential to infect most the world’s population before we can respond.
    The medical profession is not only armed with antibiotic we have made huge leaps in restorative care.

    FFS if you are prescribed antibiotics take the whole course.

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  136. RichardX (326 comments) says:

    UglyTruth (2,354 comments) says:
    March 19th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
    The failure of the MSM to address to question of why the plane disappeared from civilian radar and yet was visible on military radar.

    Complete ignorance shown of the difference between civilian radar which relies on interrogating a transponder to track aircraft and military radar which relies on reflection from the aircraft itself
    If a transponder stops functioning, the aircraft disappears from civilian radar

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  137. Ryan Sproull (7,059 comments) says:

    Complete ignorance shown of the difference between civilian radar which relies on interrogating a transponder to track aircraft and military radar which relies on reflection from the aircraft itself If a transponder stops functioning, the aircraft disappears from civilian radar

    Richard, I am certain there was a more polite way to provide that explanation.

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  138. RichardX (326 comments) says:

    Ryan Sproull (6,385 comments) says:
    March 19th, 2014 at 12:28 pm
    Richard, I am certain there was a more polite way to provide that explanation.

    You are quite correct Ryan, but I get frustrated by conspiracy theorists who misconstrue known facts to support their theories. Most theories are so nebulous that it is not worth arguing but obviously falsifiable statements need challenging

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  139. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    This article provides some more doubts about the fire theory:
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html

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  140. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    EAD, you say Putin looks out for his people. So you do not think his people deserve a free media or a pluralistic society?

    You support a national leader who identifies his people as Russians and is one leader for this people and would expand his authority to wherever his people live and in return his people owe their one leader a certain loyalty in return.

    You admire lebensraum as a national policy – a strong leader for a strong people – and also believe in a strong hard gold currency. You love anything powerful that people are to respect the authority of.

    Andrei is just proud to be Russian and loyal to Russia now that it has a strong leader.

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  141. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    ONe track the right will not come up with any alternatives if it keeps denying the problem.

    Give us right-wing solutions then.

    We have had carbon trading. :lol: gutted to be worthless.

    A market device to pay for the damage CO2 emissions do to the commons.

    We have viable and rapidly becoming cost competitive solutions to many of the technical difficultys in reducing our CO2 emitting.

    Unfortunately we have more interest in the legacy industrys of oil and coal than looking into the future.

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  142. cha (3,856 comments) says:

    So a courageous whistle blower finds refuge in Putin’s Russia….

    http://tomnichols.net/blog/2012/02/21/a-what-if-of-the-cold-war-operation-bourbon/

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  143. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    spc Music

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  144. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Edit spk

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  145. kowtow (7,932 comments) says:

    JMS

    Churchill , a man i hold in very high regard, was himself very fond of spheres of influence.He was quite impressed by Stalins respect for sticking to the agreement over post war Greece ie it was in the British sphere.

    Much is being made of democratic principles here ,lets face it when have any of the great statesmen ever respected the rights of people to determine their own futures when it didn’t suit those leaders.

    Was there a referendum on the borders of post war germany? No,and 10 million Germans were displaced and possibly 1 million died as a result.

    That’s a war crime.

    Mind you if Germany wanted to reclaim East Prussia from the Russians I think they have an excellent moral case .

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  146. Reid (16,110 comments) says:

    Rook to G7, check.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-17/russia-hints-it-may-force-ukraine-default-may-ask-ukraine-its-20-billion-share-ex-so

    No,and 10 million Germans were displaced and possibly 1 million died as a result.

    That’s a war crime.

    Yes it was and more than that died but we don’t teach our children about that because apparently, we’re the good guys who never ever ever do stuff like that.

    Read Hellstorm: http://cienciologia.wordpress.com/category/hellstorm/

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  147. stephieboy (2,524 comments) says:

    SPC, good point and I marvel how those both on the far right and left admire the attraction of policeman like leaders.Stalin casts a long shadow over the Russian and aforementioned psyches.

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  148. Duxton (589 comments) says:

    What will Grant Robertson do when Judith Collins bites back?

    a. Play the ‘gay card’ (like that other mincing cringer, Cliff Carter).

    b. Accuse her of over-reacting.

    c. Both a and b.

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  149. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    One of the ironies of being a critic of the USA in its global policy is having to distance oneself from other critics because they are so unreasonable.

    The USA is not responsible for what Iraq does with its democracy. What happens in nations after tyrants get removed is down to them (Libya etc). What happened to personal/national responsibility?

    It is not wrong to champion democracy and national self determination.

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  150. goldnkiwi (1,164 comments) says:

    tom hunter (3,886 comments) says:

    March 19th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    I wonder what said pilots comment would be regarding a flight simulator at the captains house with practice alternative runways programmed in. Would all captains have one of those at home?

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  151. stephieboy (2,524 comments) says:

    kowtow, your view of Churchill is rather simplistic which is no surprise. Churchill after all coined the term the Iron Curtain to describe the USSR’s control and dominance in Eastern Europe that coloured views by both sides with International relations. A view that became the source of much of the misunderstanding and tensions between East and West during the Cold War.
    There is no evidence that millions of German Civilians were systematically murdered by the WW2 allies.

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  152. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    stephieboy
    Did you enjoy Reid’s link to antisemitic propaganda?

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  153. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    RichardX (240 comments) says:
    March 19th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    Complete ignorance shown of the difference between civilian radar which relies on interrogating a transponder to track aircraft and military radar which relies on reflection from the aircraft itself
    If a transponder stops functioning, the aircraft disappears from civilian radar

    Not to detract from your point, which I agree with, but in the interests of pedantry civilian air traffic control has both primary (reflected radio waves) and secondary radar (transponder interrogation), but primary radar has a shorter range and is generally used for the purposes of protecting a control zone in the vicinity of an aerodrome. So, for instance, Auckland, Wellington and Christhchurch have primary radar capabilities, but if you tracked from New Plymouth to, say, Gisborne, you wouldn’t be picked up without a transponder operating because you’re outside the theoretical coverage area.

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  154. kowtow (7,932 comments) says:

    Obama’s White House is now arming an Iraqi shia regime,democratically elected yes, that wants to impose sharia law in what was once a secular Arab country ,very flawed but secular.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/03/us-delivers-100-hellfire-missiles-iraq-2014316164846772760.html

    The same White house is trying to overthrow a secular Syria ,deeply flawed,yes but what will take its place? an even worse regime of sunni fundamentalists.
    The conflict in Syria has resulted in huge displacement of the population, death disease etc.Any pollitician taking part in the attempt to oust Assad by violence is complicit in this humanitarian disaster.

    I include Obama,Hollande and Cameron. Not to mention the gulf States who are actually behind the whole stinking mess.

    Do I support Assad ? No. But we have no business there.

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  155. Reid (16,110 comments) says:

    It is not wrong to champion democracy and national self determination.

    It wouldn’t be wrong if that’s what they really did but they don’t. They say that’s what they do and the western MSM parrots the line and the western useful idiots breath in the hallucination and then when the news cycle moves on and the country disappears from western consciousness the true nature of the satrap installs reveals itself and it’s quite clear the US doesn’t give a damn how nasty they are. You see this repeated time and time and time again. You also see the blowback being repeated after their satrap exposes their utter depravity which they had all the time and turns on them.

    [Roosevelt's] Secretary of State, Sumner Welles, once said [Nigerian dictator] “Somoza’s a bastard!” And Roosevelt replied, “Yes, but he’s our bastard.”

    That’s been the policy of the US since WWII. The CIA is not an intelligence agency it’s a regime-change agency and has been ever since it emerged from the OSS. Have a look at what Libya’s become, as the most recent example.

    Believing the democracy line really flies in the face of all historical evidence to the contrary.

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  156. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “There is no evidence that millions of German Civilians were systematically murdered by the WW2 allies.”

    Out of context

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  157. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    stephieboy

    Google

    The political compass nz

    many different interpretation due to the perspective of the presenter :lol:

    The concept is simplistic but valid.

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  158. kowtow (7,932 comments) says:

    stephie

    I considr you a troll as you make stuff up.

    I did not say the allies murdered millions of civilians,I said millions were displaced and one million died( hunger,cold disease)

    Displacing whole populations is a war crime.

    Evidence?

    Largely committed by the Soviets and their communist proxies behind the Iron Curtain against a defeated population. Who’s going to investigate or even care?

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-time-of-retribution-paying-with-life-and-limb-for-the-crimes-of-nazi-germany-a-759737.html

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  159. stephieboy (2,524 comments) says:

    Reid , pray inform us how the democracy you appear to have a sneering regard for restricts your ability to disseminate your views on a a host of matters relevant to the issues you and others raise here and elsewhere.

    On another matter is the persistent false claim of yours that Eisenhower was responsible for the murder of thousands and thousands of German POW’s. The absurd claim originates in a book by Canadian Journalist James Bacque with his book,”Other Losses.” His book comes under critical focus in this review here,

    http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/11/22/specials/ambrose-atrocities.html

    Note “Other Losses.” has become popular tome among Conspiracy Theorists including ,often ,Neo Nazi based Holocaust deniers.

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  160. thedavincimode (6,589 comments) says:

    Are we all playing nicely today?

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  161. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    goldnkiwi (628 comments) says:
    March 19th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    I wonder what said pilots comment would be regarding a flight simulator at the captains house with practice alternative runways programmed in. Would all captains have one of those at home?

    This is not the least bit remarkable.

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  162. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    A prudent skipper.

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  163. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Army corrects medal prejudice

    Twenty-four ethnic or minority US soldiers who performed bravely under fire in three of the nation’s wars have each received a Medal of Honor the government concluded should have been awarded a long time ago.

    The servicemen – Hispanics, Jews and African-Americans – were identified following a congressionally mandated review to ensure that eligible recipients of the country’s highest recognition for valour were not bypassed due to prejudice. Only three of the 24 were alive Tuesday (NZT Wednesday) for President Barack Obama to drape the medals and ribbons around their necks.

    ”Today we have the chance to set the record straight,” Obama said.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/9844754/Army-corrects-medal-prejudice

    This confirms how many Maori from WW2 were ignored for honours by the Brits because it was felt Maori’s would receive too many. Far as I know only one Maori received a VC. Hardly a threat. The RAF even had an elitist squadron that would not accept lower classes no matter how many medals they had been awarded.

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  164. stephieboy (2,524 comments) says:

    Kowtow, the issue of the expulsion of Germans from occupied Poland towards the end and after WW2 are dealt with below. Do remember the several million Poles and Polish Jews who were murdered or enslaved as a result of the Nazi invasion and occupation.
    The displacement of the German Population pales in comparison to what the Poles and Jews suffered and doubt, with that context,could your remotely describe the German Displacement as a war crime.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_from_Poland_during_and_after_World_War_II

    and,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_the_Polish_nation

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  165. kowtow (7,932 comments) says:

    “Occupied Poland”

    No, no, no,redrawn Poland.A few pen strokes.And millions displaced.Poland was shuffled west.So now it’s occupied Germany.
    Was there a referendum?Involving the Poles,Germans or Russians.The people who actually lived in the affected areas.

    Nope ,3 or 4 men round a table.

    Democratic?

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  166. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    conservative song list.

    OKIE FROM MUSKOGEE

    Championing short back and sides haircuts and unswerving patriotism
    THE GREEN BERETS

    Pro Vietnam War song
    STAND BY YOUR MAN

    The traditional role of the dutiful wife
    THE WORLD NEEDS A FEW MORE REDNECKS

    Redneck priced from the Charlie Daniels Band
    GOD BLESS THE USA

    Staunch patriotism from Lee Greenwood
    LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY

    Celebrating the power and glory of the British Empire

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  167. Reid (16,110 comments) says:

    As some of us have told the useful idiots many times before, money is created out of thin air. The useful idiots of course have chosen not to believe us calling it a conspiwacy theowy. Well, would said useful idiots believe the Bank of England? Of course not, that would hurt their tummies far, far too much. But unfortunately for said tummies, the Bank of England has just admitted precisely that.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/18/truth-money-iou-bank-of-england-austerity

    http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/quarterlybulletin/2014/qb14q102.pdf

    Here’s a short overview on how it works.

    And here’s a longer more detailed one.

    But hey, don’t take my word for it, take the Bank of England’s. And sorry about the sore tummy.

    And BTW, on the subject of revolutions, ask yourself why the very first act of the new govt in Libya before the bullets even stopped flying was guess what? That’s right, to setup a Central Reserve Bank. And guess which countries in the world don’t use this system? Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Libya, Cuba.

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  168. Albert_Ross (270 comments) says:

    Griffith actually has a good point – the political right has not done itself or its credibility any favours in its response to climate change, ie denying the science. Saying “No amount of evidence will ever convince me that climate change is really happening” simply shows you to be impervious to fact and reason, which is not a good look.

    The question of whether climate change is happening is not a left-right issue, it is a scientific issue. However, the question of what, if anything, to do about it /is/ a left-right issue, one which the right’s focus on denying the science has allowed the left completely to dominate. The right have thus manoeuvred themselves into a position where they either have to proclaim themselves impervious to fact and reason, or to accept that there may – even if only in theory – be such a thing as a circumstance in which a lefty approach is the only answer.

    If you don’t believe that there could be such a circumstance, you must therefore believe that there are alternative, non-lefty ways of addressing the issue of climate change. Where is that discussion?

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  169. JMS (314 comments) says:

    The displacement of the German Population pales in comparison to what the Poles and Jews suffered and doubt, with that context,could your remotely describe the German Displacement as a war crime.

    No Stephieboy, it doesn’t pale in comparison.

    The Germans engaged is mass killing.
    The Red Army engaged in mass rape and mutilation.
    Both engaged in mass slavery and mass ethnic cleansing.

    The crimes were different in nature, but quite close in terms of brutality.

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  170. wreck1080 (3,801 comments) says:

    @seanmaitland::

    When I say ‘record’ , I mean a post-float record.

    I don’t think we can accurately compare pre-float exchange rates against post float rates as the pricing basis is completely different.

    Although, the pre-float rate is interesting , so thanks..

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  171. kowtow (7,932 comments) says:

    griffith

    I for one think the power and glory of the British Empire is something to celebrate.

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  172. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    It is taken control of by those manipulating the politic for personal gain.
    Hence it is evil of the greens to stop oil drilling
    Instead of a more sensible approach
    Why invest in an obvious legacy industry when forward is towards a low co2 emitting future, by the time any exploration gets to commercial flow it will be an obsolete waste of money.
    We continue to build 50y infrastructure inside expected safe tidal range.
    We know water will become more scarce in some regions look at buffering for the impacts not deny the projections.

    I know I piss every one of …..

    allowing the group think and conspiracy nonce go unchallenged devalues this forum

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  173. cha (3,856 comments) says:

    I for one think the power and glory of the British Empire is something to celebrate.

    Of course you do but you’re not a Bengali.

    http://harpers.org/blog/2010/11/churchills-dark-side-six-questions-for-madhusree-mukerjee/

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  174. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    A song
    Not the song kowtow just these lyrics.

    How much do I know
    To talk out of turn
    You might say that I’m young
    You might say I’m unlearned
    But there’s one thing I know
    Though I’m younger than you
    That even Jesus would never
    Forgive what you do.

    Let me ask you one question
    Is your money that good
    Will it buy you forgiveness
    Do you think that it could
    I think you will find
    When your death takes its toll
    All the money you made
    Will never buy back your soul.

    And I hope that you die
    And your death’ll come soon
    I will follow your casket
    In the pale afternoon
    And I’ll watch while you’re lowered
    Down to your deathbed
    And I’ll stand over your grave
    ‘Til I’m sure that you’re dead.

    Dedicated to the brothers Koch, aquacar man, and friends.

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  175. Lucia Maria (2,239 comments) says:

    Kowtow,

    The Allies were only responsible for the shifting westwards of Poland because they didn’t have the balls to resist Stalin – Churchill included. Giving parts of Germany to Poland was to make up for the massive loss of territory (including where my Dad grew up) taken by the Soviets. Poland was not happy with the deal and would have preferred the pre-WWII borders, not that she had any say in the matter.

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  176. Grant (428 comments) says:

    “The useful idiots of course have chosen not to believe us calling it a conspiwacy theowy.”

    This must mean you’re really serious huh Reid?

    G

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  177. wreck1080 (3,801 comments) says:

    Am i wrong in thinking the govt is incompetent on this matter..

    “Education Minister Hekia Parata says she has asked the Serious Fraud Office to investigate Te Pataka Ohanga in relation to allegations about its spending.

    The organisation was a subsidiary of the Kohanga Reo National Trust, which was cleared of misusing public funds last night following an Ernst and Young investigation”

    How many years do they need to figure out who is misspending!!!!

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  178. thedavincimode (6,589 comments) says:

    I for one think the power and glory of the British Empire is something to celebrate.

    Why kowtow, you nearly brought a tear to my eye. I might have to watch Zulu tonight.

    I hope you stood to attention after clicking “Submit Commit”.

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  179. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    ‘Land of Hope and Glory’, anyone?

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  180. Reid (16,110 comments) says:

    This must mean you’re really serious huh Reid?

    Well the Bank of England apparently is Grant. Do you think they might know a thing or two about the monetary system or are they just conspiwacy theowists, as well?

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  181. thedavincimode (6,589 comments) says:

    Exactly what I’m singing this very moment milky.

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  182. thedavincimode (6,589 comments) says:

    [dabbing eyes font] …

    Dear Land of Hope, thy hope is crowned,
    God make thee mightier yet!
    On Sov’ran[3] brows, beloved, renowned,
    Once more thy crown is set.
    Thine equal laws, by Freedom gained,
    Have ruled thee well and long;
    By Freedom gained, by Truth maintained,
    Thine Empire shall be strong.

    Thy fame is ancient as the days, Land of Hope and Glory, Mother of the Free,
    How shall we extol thee, who are born of thee?
    Wider still and wider shall thy bounds be set;
    God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet,
    God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet.

    As Ocean large and wide:
    A pride that dares, and heeds not praise,
    A stern and silent pride;
    Not that false joy that dreams content
    With what our sires have won;
    The blood a hero sire hath spent
    Still nerves a hero son.

    Land of Hope and Glory, Mother of the Free,
    How shall we extol thee, who are born of thee?
    Wider still and wider shall thy bounds be set;
    God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet,
    God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet.

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  183. publicwatchdog (2,278 comments) says:

    What work has the Tax Payers Union done to help ensure transparency in Council contracting Jordan Williams?

    Where do you stand on this issue?

    Must be getting a tad uncomfortable – given that you appear to have been sitting on the fence for some time?
    (Meant of course in a caring way :)
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    19 March 2014

    In light of the recent threat made by Auckland Council to sell my house, over disputed rates,

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11221478

    here is some background information, which does not appear to be widely known:

    My previous attempts to get a law change to the Local Government Act 2002,to ensure that the ‘devilish details’ of contracts issued would be available for public scrutiny through publication in Council and CCO Annual Reports, by initiating Petition 2008/2:

    1) BACKGROUND: WHAT ‘TRIGGERED’ THE INITIATION OF THIS PETITION?

    MY RATES DISPUTE WITH AUCKLAND CITY COUNCIL:

    A) Auckland City Council CEO David Rankin stated in his

    “Overview of direction seeking for 2008/2009 Annual Plan,” 21 February 2008:

    “Council has budgeted to spend almost $1 billion in cash this financial year.

    The staff salary and wages component of that budget is $145 million.

    To successfully carry out its business, including meeting legislative requirements council relies heavily on private sector providers in the form of goods, services and people (temporary labour, external experts and specialist advisors. ”

    (That leaves over $855 million being spent on private sector contracts.)

    B) When asked in an Official Information Act request (ACC OlA Request No: 1997) whether the operation and management of 64 services provided by Auckland City Council had been contracted out to the private sector:

    a) If so, which companies have these contracts.

    b) What is the value of each of these contracts.

    c) For how long is the term of each of these contracts.

    d) Who decided which company would get these contracts.

    e) When were the decisions made as to which companies would get these contracts

    Auckland City Council Chief Executive David Rankin replied in a letter dated 8 October 2007, as the reason for denying ratepayers this information about where public rates monies are being spent:

    “If we release the names of the companies who have contracts with us,together with the amounts spent, these suppliers could be disadvantaged.

    Their other potential customers may deduce the rates Auckland City Council are being charges and demand the same pricing. Equally their competitors may deduce their pricing structure and use it against them.”

    2) PETITION TO PARLIAMENT

    http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/pb/presented/petitions/49DBHOH_PET2936_1/petition-of-penelope-mary-bright-and-189-others-requesting

    Petition of Penelope Mary Bright and 189 others

    Requesting that the House urgently amend the Local Government Act 2002 to make it a mandatory requirement to ensure councils and council-controlled organisations are open to public scrutiny by using annual reports to record contracts issued to the private sector for goods, services and people as a means of providing openness and accountability in council operations; and to help ensure prudent stewardship of citizen and ratepayer resources.

    Petition number: 2008/2
    Presented by: Sue Bradford
    Date presented: 16 December 2008
    Referred to: Local Government and Environment Committee

    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    3) EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT PETITION:

    Evidence, based upon many hours of unpaid research which I provided to the Local Government and Environment Select Committee, in support of this petition, including 65 Local Government OIA replies from 85 New Zealand District, City and Regional Councils:

    http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/pb/sc/documents/evidence/49SCLGE_EVI_49DBHOH_PET2936_1_A67578/penelope-mary-bright-supp1

    4) REPORT OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND ENVIRONMENT SELECT COMMITTEE:

    http://www.parliament.nz/resource/0000075765

    “The petitioner identifies her failure to obtain information from the Auckland City Council on its award of contracts to the private sector as a motivating factor for her petition.

    We received the results of her survey of 65 district councils confirming that no councils publish details of contracts in their annual reports, and some councils supply details of individual contracts to the auditor as a matter of course.

    The petitioner claims that the secrecy around the award of local government contracts is not compatible with the principles of openness, transparency, and democratic accountability enshrined in legislation such as the Local Government Act 2002, and the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002.”

    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    5) SUBMISSION TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ACT 2002 AMENDMENT BILL

    Submission I subsequently made to the Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill on this and related matters:

    http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/pb/sc/documents/evidence/49SCLGE_EVI_00DBHOH_BILL9872_1_A55792/penny-bright

    “On 9 March 2009, I submitted evidence to this same Local and Environment Select Committee, in support of Petition 2008/002:
    which:

    “Respectfully request(ed) that the House urgently amend the Local Government Act 2002 to make it a mandatory requirement to ensure councils and council-controlled organisations are open to public scrutiny by using annual reports to record contracts issued to the private sector for goods, services and people as a means of providing openness and accountability in council operations; and to help ensure prudent stewardship of citizen and ratepayer resources.”

    MY CONSIDERED RECOMMENDATION AS TO THE NECESSARY LEGISLATIVE CHANGE:

    Publishing details of contracts issued in Council Annual Reports is not intended to add thousands of pages, containing every word written for every contract issued.

    All that is required is:

    a) The name(s) of the contracting company /contractor.

    b) The $ value of the contract.

    c) The term (length) of the contract.

    d) The scope of the contract.

    eg: DOG CONTROL

    a) Joe Bloggs Dog Control Services Ltd.

    b) $350,000

    c) 2008 – 2010

    d) Enforcement of Dog Control Bylaw 123 for Auckland City Council (ward(s) covered)

    e) CONTRACT NUMBER ACC 33333

    http://www.parliament.nz/resource/0000075765

    “It is our view that the issues raised by the petitioner are best dealt with as part of a comprehensive review and we recommend that the Minister consider the issues raised in this petition. ..”

    Unfortunately – this Bill does not fix this problem.

    The public still don’t know exactly where our rates are being spent.
    This is NOT transparent.

    It seems ridiculous that the public can scrutinise thousands of pages detailing Ministerial spending on credit cards – but the public are not provided with the above-mentioned ‘devilish’ detail which would clearly show where BILLION$ of residents and ratepayers public monies are being spent on private contractors.

    Please amend this Bill to do so.
    …………. ”

    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Those who choose to bleat and whine about my refusal to pay rates, because we are not being told exactly where rates monies are being spent, may now be a little more mindful of all the (unpaid) the work which I have chosen to do to help remedy this situation?

    You may care to compare this (unpaid) research which I have done, with the arguably bogus 19 page (unsigned) ‘Ernst and Young’ Report of 13 December 2013, which cost Auckland Council over $250,000 ?

    http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/1312/Independent_Review_Report_FINAL_131213.pdf)

    “Auckland Council CEO Stephen Town confirmed the cost of the EY Report and legal work was approximately $250,000.”

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1402/S00157/negotiated-payment-from-mayor-towards-cost-of-ey-report.htm

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

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  184. SGA (952 comments) says:

    thedavincimode at 3:24 pm

    Exactly what I’m singing this very moment milky.

    If you are planning to watch “Zulu”, it’s “Men of Harlech” you should be practising.

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  185. Judith (8,428 comments) says:

    When we judge anyone or country or empire, by today’s standards and cultural context, of course they are going to come up lacking – but when you look at what they achieved, within the context of their historical position, then yes, we can be proud of them.

    I’m really proud of what my ancestors achieved at Bannockburn – knowledge and the passing of time makes of mockery of what was achieved, but that doesn’t make what they did, in the context of the 1300′s any less a fantastic achievement.

    We tend to look and analyse things like the World Wars, from experience of time and with the gift of hindsight – we also look with minds that do not hold the same fears, prejudices and beliefs of those times. Yes it’s easy to see who did what wrong etc, now, when we are not living the same lives.

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  186. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    lovely

    Brings a tear to me eyes

    Proud of heritage Grief is.

    So why the policy heading us helta skelta towards a population that has no links to empire?

    anser me that …eh…

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  187. Manolo (13,516 comments) says:

    A complete beast and despicable animal. Just imagine if it had been the other way around!
    http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8816556/woman-jailed-for-having-sex-with-eight-year-old-boy

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  188. thedavincimode (6,589 comments) says:

    Mad hatter waterwoman

    Just a few questions since you still seem determined to not pay your fair share.

    1. How many bedrooms?

    2. Open plan kitchen/dining/living or separate?

    3. Formal lounge?

    4. The paint job – did your students do it properly, or should I budget on getting it done properly?

    5. Indoor/outdoor flow – how well does the house connect with the outdoor living areas and any decking?

    6. What sort of shape is the lawn in – have you repaired it after the tent-pitching practice?

    7. Off road parking and garaging – what’s it all about?

    8. What are your neighbours like?

    9. Have you obtained all necessary Council consents for any work your child labourers have carried out?

    10. Presumably you’ve got three phase power for your welder?

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  189. stephieboy (2,524 comments) says:

    The glory of the British Empire ?

    Especially if you were a paleface and a well to do one at that.!

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  190. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    ‘I’m really proud of what my ancestors achieved at Bannockburn’
    Hmm, yes, well we’ll give the Scots that one victory in a more or less unbroken run of defeats. Did some of your ancestors personally participate in the slaughter Judith?

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  191. kowtow (7,932 comments) says:

    A lot of brown faces will be casting a ballot in the world’s largest democracy shortly.

    Glorious.

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  192. thedavincimode (6,589 comments) says:

    SGA

    Good point. I’ll be buttoning my tunic before watching as well. Wouldn’t want to disappoint Colour.

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  193. thedavincimode (6,589 comments) says:

    one victory in a more or less unbroken run of defeats

    Poor choice in leadership – should never have gone with the Marquis of Rena Lord David “the Bruce” McCunliffe.

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  194. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Yeah, I sort of get where you’re trying to go with that joke but it ended up being unfunny.

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  195. RightNow (6,839 comments) says:

    Albert_Ross (148 comments) says:
    March 19th, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    Saying “No amount of evidence will ever convince me that climate change is really happening” simply shows you to be impervious to fact and reason, which is not a good look.

    Do you have any evidence of anyone actually saying that? I don’t actually know of any “deniers”, which always makes me laugh when the term is used since it’s a complete straw man.

    there are alternative, non-lefty ways of addressing the issue of climate change. Where is that discussion?

    It’s drowned out by the noise of people yelling “denier”.

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  196. thedavincimode (6,589 comments) says:

    Quite right milky

    Phone went, I was struggling but just thought “fuck it”.

    Post in haste – repent at leisure. Embarrassing to fall at the same hurdle as redtweeter. :(

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  197. twofish (82 comments) says:

    Resuming the Cunlist – about # 30

    Labour and the unions have made much of the death rate in forestry. At the same time unions resist compulsory random drug testing of forestry workers.

    If those two contrasting positions regarding health and safety aren’t bad enough, Labour now wants to tip the indigent and lazy into forestry.

    What a fucking fatal train-wreck waiting to happen.

    And an aside _
    A little while ago I wished to purchase a simple double shelf unit upon which to place a new 42″ television.
    Danske Møbler – too expensive
    self design, local quote – $3,000 – 5,000 – fucking stupid
    final perfect purchase – China made unit, nice design, extra cupboards $450 in stained pine – New Zealand pine! so exported raw to China, constructed there, then sent back to New Zealand.

    I’m sure Labour’s proposal’s will be able to beat that. They must think we are all as thick as two short planks.

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  198. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    “the employment of rhetorical tactics to give the appearance of argument or legitimate debate, when in actuality there is none.”[5][6][28] It is a process that operates by employing one or more of the following five tactics in order to maintain the appearance of legitimate controversy:[29]

    Conspiracy theories — Dismissing the data or observation by suggesting opponents are involved in “a conspiracy to suppress the truth”.
    Cherry picking — Selecting an anomalous critical paper supporting their idea, or using outdated, flawed, and discredited papers in order to make their opponents look as though they base their ideas on weak research.
    False experts — Paying an expert in the field, or another field, to lend supporting evidence or credibility.
    Moving the goalpost — Dismissing evidence presented in response to a specific claim by continually demanding some other (often unfulfillable) piece of evidence.
    Other logical fallacies — Usually one or more of false analogy, appeal to consequences, straw man, or red herring.

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  199. Rowan (2,040 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9845327/Poras-case-strengthened-lawyer

    No case against Pora except for the so called ‘confession’, give Teina his freedom. Hopefully the law lords will quash the conviction and permanantly stay any further trials.

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  200. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    smeg if I know were tdvm was going with that.

    maybe whatever he is snorting made him have lapse in judgment.

    if you want the regiment

    http://www.lancs-fusiliers.co.uk/

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  201. Albert_Ross (270 comments) says:

    RightNow, take a look at the comments under this article:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10701265/Climate-change-weve-put-off-the-difficult-decisions-for-too-long.html

    The discussion is /all/ arguments about the science. This is the wrong basis for opposing left-wing responses to climate change. If the science turns out to be right, then they will have no further grounds on which to oppose the introduction of lefty prescriptions

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  202. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    They will also do future right wing political party’s unrepairable damage when the public realises what the failure to constructively engage is costing them.

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  203. publicwatchdog (2,278 comments) says:

    errr…. nice try at a bit of bullshit spin, anonymous GUTLESS thedavincimode – but any work around my home is not done by flatmates :)

    PS: the 10 day deadline from Auckland Council for the paying of my disputed rates has come and gone, and I’m now waiting (maybe up to 20 days for a reply to my Privacy Act request, to find out authorised the letter in the first place).

    You don’t support transparency in Council spending – anonymous GUTLESS thedavincimode?

    Why does that not surprise me ?

    (yawn ……. )

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

    who at least puts her name to her posts.

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

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  204. Mark (1,429 comments) says:

    Hopeless Hekia is at it again. An 8pm press conference to anounce that an inquiry that didnt happen gave the all clear to Kohanga management. SMH

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  205. questions (186 comments) says:

    I am just gobsmacked at you lot sucking up to Putin and Russia, just because of your dislike for Obama and Europe.

    If the shoe was on the other foot and it was the left on their knees felting Putin, you lot would be up in arms and submitting reports to Trevor Ludon about suspected commies, yet here you lot are cheering him on.

    Pathetic.

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  206. RightNow (6,839 comments) says:

    Albert_Ross, yes, that discussion is arguments about the science, which is not the same as “denying the science”.

    The construct of ‘deniers’ is a straw man created because the alarmists lose the debate when they engage with sceptics, since the sceptics have nature on their side. By pretending sceptics were ‘denying’ the climate changes it gave the alarmists an argument they could pretend to win.

    A low TCR and ECS looks increasingly to be the case and means projected warming is likely to be at a rate that is net beneficial to the world. So what is the rational response in that scenario?

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  207. Reid (16,110 comments) says:

    Russia 1
    Regime-changers 0

    Let’s cut to the chase – short and sweet.

    1. The Obama administration’s “strategic” gambit to subcontract the State Department’s “Khaganate of Nulands” to extricate Ukraine from the Russian sphere of influence – and ultimately annex it to NATO – by instrumentalizing a coalition of willing neo-nazis and fascists with a central bank veneer (prime minister “Yats”), is in utter shambles.

    2. Moscow’s counterpunch was to prevent in Crimea – as intercepted by Russian intelligence – a planned replay of the putsch in Kiev. The referendum in Crimea – 85% of turnout, roughly 93% voting for re-joining Russia, according to exit polls – is a done deal, as much as the oh-so-democratic European Union (EU) keeps threatening to punish people in Crimea for exercising their basic democratic rights. (By the way, when the US got Kosovo to secede from Serbia, Serbians were offered no referendum).

    3. The main rationale for the whole US “strategic” advance – to have their proxies, the regime changers in Kiev, cancel the agreement for the Russian naval base in Sevastopol – is up in smoke. Moscow remains present in the Black Sea and with full access to the Eastern Mediterranean.

    And the rest is blah blah blah.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-170314.html

    If the shoe was on the other foot and it was the left on their knees felting Putin, you lot would be up in arms and submitting reports to Trevor Ludon about suspected commies, yet here you lot are cheering him on.

    It’s got zero to do with left and right and everything to do with right and wrong, questions. Simple as that.

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  208. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Then you take the IPCC as the definitive say on AGW right now?

    And take a rational approach to the risk projections?

    KACHING I am not in denial but

    A low TCR and ECS looks increasingly to be the case and means projected warming is likely to be at a rate that is net beneficial to the world. So what is the rational response in that scenario?

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  209. RightNow (6,839 comments) says:

    PS Albert – in the time I’ve been paying attention to climate stuff, I’ve seen the collapse of the Chicago Carbon Exchange (who would have though lefties want to create another financial institution prone to fraud and corruption so soon after the GFC?), the failure of several ‘Climate Conferences’ to reach any significant accord (even though thousands of delegates flew around the world and limousines had to be imported to meet demand, I understand the delegates were all really adamant that CO2 emissions were killing the earth), Germany has massively cut subsidies for renewable energy, green jobs have almost bankrupted Spain, and Australia pays billions to keep a couple of desalination plants mothballed since they weren’t needed after all.

    Left wing responses to climate change pretty much have the result you’d expect from left wing responses to anything. Failure.

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  210. RightNow (6,839 comments) says:

    “Then you take the IPCC as the definitive say on AGW right now?”

    I hope you’re smoking outdoor weed griff: for every pound of pot grown indoors, 4600lbs of carbon dioxide goes into the atmosphere.

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  211. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    What does Malcolm Fraser think about all this?

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  212. stephieboy (2,524 comments) says:

    Reid, your writer Pepe Escobar from the same blog has 50 questions on 9/11 all pretty easily answered,

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KI11Ak02.html

    Andrei, we are not fooled by the Kremlin run RT.Malcolm Fraser would not be appearing if he gave a contrary view .
    BTW do you think it’s a good idea to settle to Polish border to its pre 1939 position rather than the Stalin imposed one post 1945.?

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  213. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    So your view is based on?

    and its source is ?

    Your reason to dispute the IPCC is?

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  214. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    Obama, oh Obama you are looking more and more like a dork, quit while you’re ahead

    This sounds better in Russian and doesn’t come via Teleprompter but from the heart of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

    Like a mirror, the situation in Ukraine reflects what is going on and what has been happening in the world over the past several decades. After the dissolution of bipolarity on the planet, we no longer have stability. Key international institutions are not getting any stronger; on the contrary, in many cases, they are sadly degrading. Our western partners, led by the United States of America, prefer not to be guided by international law in their practical policies, but by the rule of the gun. They have come to believe in their exclusivity and exceptionalism, that they can decide the destinies of the world, that only they can ever be right. They act as they please: here and there, they use force against sovereign states, building coalitions based on the principle “If you are not with us, you are against us.” To make this aggression look legitimate, they force the necessary resolutions from international organisations, and if for some reason this does not work, they simply ignore the UN Security Council and the UN overall.

    This happened in Yugoslavia; we remember 1999 very well. It was hard to believe, even seeing it with my own eyes, that at the end of the 20th century, one of Europe’s capitals, Belgrade, was under missile attack for several weeks, and then came the real intervention. Was there a UN Security Council resolution on this matter, allowing for these actions? Nothing of the sort. And then, they hit Afghanistan, Iraq, and frankly violated the UN Security Council resolution on Libya, when instead of imposing the so-called no-fly zone over it they started bombing it too.

    There was a whole series of controlled “colour” revolutions. Clearly, the people in those nations, where these events took place, were sick of tyranny and poverty, of their lack of prospects; but these feelings were taken advantage of cynically. Standards were imposed on these nations that did not in any way correspond to their way of life, traditions, or these peoples’ cultures. As a result, instead of democracy and freedom, there was chaos, outbreaks in violence and a series of upheavals. The Arab Spring turned into the Arab Winter.

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  215. Bad__Cat (140 comments) says:

    Andrei (2,352 comments) says:
    March 19th, 2014 at 8:53 am
    Panama
    Grenada
    Kosovo
    Afghanistan
    Iraq
    Libya
    Yemen

    How about:
    Latvia
    Lithuania
    Finland
    Estonia
    Hungary
    Poland
    Czechoslovakia
    Bulgaria
    Romania
    Kaliningrad
    South Ossetia
    Abkhazia

    At least the Americans don’t stay for 50 years (or longer)

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  216. stephieboy (2,524 comments) says:

    One of Pepe Escobar’s canards re 50 9/11 Questions concerns the Afghan pipeline Conspiracy,

    25) The Pipelineistan question. What did US ambassador Wendy Chamberlain talk about over the phone on October 10, 2001, with the oil minister of Pakistan? Was it to tell him that the 1990s-planned Unocal gas pipeline project, TAP (Turkmenistan/Afghanistan/ Pakistan), abandoned because of Taliban demands on transit fees, was now back in business? (Two months later, an agreement to build the pipeline was signed between the leaders of the three countries).

    Effectively demolished here,

    http://www.911myths.com/html/9_11_and_the_afghan_pipeline.html

    BTW the pipeline was abandoned in favour of a far more economical and practical route , via Azerbaijan and the Black sea.

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  217. 4077th (2 comments) says:

    Greetings all. I am long time registered user but never commented. I find myself here (perhaps like a few others) as a refugee from The Whale People. Having been a long term member and recently a paying member I found myself perma banned 2 days ago after criticising 2 mods for posting video that was in my book quite distasteful and completely at odds with their new rules..swearing and suchlike. I have made appeals but am not going to be a sook about it and perhaps carve out a spot for myself here. Cheers!

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  218. Ryan Sproull (7,059 comments) says:

    Yes, I can’t think of any countries the US has had military bases in for more than 50 years.

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  219. stephieboy (2,524 comments) says:

    Andrei (2,354 comments) says:
    March 19th, 2014 at 5:11 pm

    Could you kindly source that tirade you’ve just posted.?

    It’s got to be Voice of Russia , RIA Novsti or RT.??

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  220. Lucia Maria (2,239 comments) says:

    The US still has military bases in Japan.

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  221. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    According to Harawira he discussed ways of getting rid of John Key with the obese German slug, but did not take, nor ask for money. As I see it, this is direct interference in our political system, and should carry a mandatory deportation. What the hell is going on? Come on National this overweight arsehole must go!

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  222. Lucia Maria (2,239 comments) says:

    Stephieboy,

    It’s from the Kremlin itself: Address by President of the Russian Federation.

    I was looking for that speech, thanks Andrei.

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  223. Ross12 (1,270 comments) says:

    Cunliffe is an idiot.

    He says Parata must go on the same day that he, himself gives an interview saying Labour would scrap the new welfare fraud legislation and then this afternoon Labour votes in favour of it.

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  224. kowtow (7,932 comments) says:

    US bases?

    Off the top of my head.

    Diego Garcia (where some tin foilers think the Malayan plane could be) and Ramstein in Germany.

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  225. SGA (952 comments) says:

    Ryan Sproull at 5:27 pm

    Yes, I can’t think of any countries the US has had military bases in for more than 50 years.

    Japan, as Lucia mentioned. Okinawa has a large air force base (Kadena) and a number of US Marine Bases.

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  226. Judith (8,428 comments) says:

    Collins not looking so much like a PM-in-waiting today. :-)

    Puts Bridges in a stronger position. Can’t wait for the day when I can say I’ve changed the PM’s diaper!

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  227. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    I rather think Ryan was being a trifle sarcastic.

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  228. SGA (952 comments) says:

    mikenmild at 6:29 pm

    I rather think Ryan was being a trifle sarcastic.

    But he kept such a straight face!

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  229. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    And who can forget Guantanamo Bay? Which is in Cuba of course.

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  230. Lucia Maria (2,239 comments) says:

    Most of human communication is non-verbal. So much nuance is lost through this medium. Therefore, unless the person is well-known to me, I never assume anything.

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  231. freemark (513 comments) says:

    The Socialists really don’t like tea do they..JK & JB having a cup of tea, JC having a cup of tea. Is it because their small brains just see associations with the Tea Party? Who knows what they think apart from how to get to the Trough and try to make something of their failed and futile lives.

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  232. stephieboy (2,524 comments) says:

    Andrei, and who can forget Putin’s bloody trail,

    http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/putinmurders/

    BTW are you are Russophile or a FSB operative..?

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  233. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Lance McC

    I would like to say about time, but this is not likely to happen, but getting the increase will most likely mean making an appointment and filling in a pile of forms that will not be fully disclosed to those needing it and the ‘proof’ requirements will change at least 3 times and require 3 or 4 revisits to the office plus being told other lies.

    http://www.change.org/petitions/hon-paula-bennett-increase-the-accommodation-supplement-for-region-3-4?share_id=HFDGvneHac&utm_campaign=share_button_action_box&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition

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  234. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “Yes, I can’t think of any countries the US has had military bases in for more than 50 years.”

    How bout Germany for a start. Haven’t left since WW2

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  235. chiz (1,131 comments) says:

    Godnutters upset with Lorde: Lorde not teaching Lord’s word.

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  236. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Andrew Johnstone
    My dear and long departed grandfather, Bill Johnstone, was a dedicated Social Creditor who believed the worlds problems could be solved with debt free money and a Universal Basic Income for all. He passed these particular belief’s onto me and I am glad he did regardless of the ‘nutjob’ association that comes with holding such views. He believed a ‘sea-change’ in the way in which we think about money was inevitable and necessary if we were serious about creating a more equitable society……he was not wrong. The idea of a basic income is becoming slowly but surely mainstream and as for debt free money creation, read this piece regarding a recent ‘paper’ released by the Bank of England. Profound is the word.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/18/truth-money-iou-bank-of-england-austerity

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  237. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Russia’s Richest Man Dumps U.S. Shares, Goes Long China & Avoids Dollar
    Read more at http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/03/russias-richest-man-dumps-u-s-shares-goes-long-china-avoids-dollar/#uWvaYB8cOPySLM4L.99

    “China is unlikely to impose any sanctions. So, we will be trading in rubles, yuan, Hong Kong or Singapore dollars.” http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-1

    Billionaire Usmanov Turns to China After Selling Apple, Facebook

    Russian billionaire Alisher Usmanov sold shares in Apple Inc. and Facebook Inc. and bought into technology investments such as Alibaba Group Holding Ltd. in China, one of his advisers said.

    http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/03/russias-richest-man-dumps-u-s-shares-goes-long-china-avoids-dollar/#YdSMmmRdYw4Awbyb.01

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  238. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Lance McC

    Telecom are a bunch of retarded monkeys. They stopped the ability to log on to telecom to by extra data packets (this was called your Telecom). They created My Telecom. problem is that if you sign up for My Telecom so you can buy extra data packets when you want, they stop sending you a bill (which I need). So the only way to but extra data is to pick up the phone and call them and wait half an hour to but over the phone. So Telecom is going backwards technology wise, while other companies let you log on and buy extra data on line (while still getting sent a bill each month) Telecom has gone backwards and taken away online transactions.

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  239. emmess (1,396 comments) says:

    So Labour has revealed ‘pro-wood’ policy

    I think Shane Jones is behind this

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  240. nasska (10,902 comments) says:

    Little Johnny’s next door neighbor went to see a psychiatrist. “The other day,” the woman said, “I happened to see my daughter and the little boy next door both naked, examining each other’s bodies.”
    “Well, that’s not unusual,” smiled the psychiatrist, “I wouldn’t worry about something as normal as that.”
    “But I AM worried doctor.” insisted the woman. “I don’t think it’s normal at all, and neither does my daughter’s husband.”

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  241. Ryan Sproull (7,059 comments) says:
    I rather think Ryan was being a trifle sarcastic.

    But he kept such a straight face!

    Oh, I’m never sarcastic.

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  242. Ryan Sproull (7,059 comments) says:

    Andrei, and who can forget Putin’s bloody trail,

    http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/putinmurders/

    BTW are you are Russophile or a FSB operative..?

    This isn’t an ’80s cartoon. It’s possible for both sides to be assholes.

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  243. OneTrack (2,813 comments) says:

    “I’m sure Labour’s proposal’s will be able to beat that. They must think we are all as thick as two short planks.”

    That’s fair enough. I think they are as thick as two short planks too. And beer coaster “policies”(sic) like this just bolster my opinion.

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  244. CharlieBrown (923 comments) says:

    Putin needs to go. He is a Hitler in the making, using the same sorts of justifications that hitler did, suppressing the press as hitler did, outlawing movements he disagrees with. Putin is a thug with lots of power. The only thing different (I hope) is he doesn’t have the desire for racial genocide.

    Putin is happy to annex a foreign territory on dubious grounds – however he won’t let go of territories that overwhelmingly want seperation from Russia.

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  245. Ryan Sproull (7,059 comments) says:

    Putin needs to go. He is a Hitler in the making, using the same sorts of justifications that hitler did, suppressing the press as hitler did, outlawing movements he disagrees with. Putin is a thug with lots of power. The only thing different (I hope) is he doesn’t have the desire for racial genocide.

    You spelled Obama wrong.

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  246. CharlieBrown (923 comments) says:

    As much as i dislike Obama, you couldn’t have anyone more disimilar to Putin. Obama is more like Neville Chamberlain, completely ineffectual, but by no means a tyrant.

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  247. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Beau Wetini
    LOL…it is now official – the worlds oldest most respected peer review medical journal has listed FLOURIDE among others as a NEUROTOXIN.

    Read it and weep, pro Fluoride heads – your ignorance just got schooled by the medical community.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/14/health/chemicals-children-brains/

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  248. Ryan Sproull (7,059 comments) says:

    As much as i dislike Obama, you couldn’t have anyone more disimilar to Putin. Obama is more like Neville Chamberlain, completely ineffectual, but by no means a tyrant.

    That’s almost worse, given the innocent people who are dying as collateral damage from his programme of drone executions without trial on foreign soil.

    “Barack, you’ve murdered children!”

    “I did? Whoops! Doop-di-doooo!”

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  249. kowtow (7,932 comments) says:

    There used to be at least one US air base in England.The lala anti war pricks used to try to break in there.It could still be there.

    ps I have no problem with the US military,The bigger the better.My problem is the commie in the White House.

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  250. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ‘Putting the next generation of brains in danger’

    The biggest window of vulnerability to chemicals occurs in utero, during infancy and early childhood, experts say.
    STORY HIGHLIGHTS

    Two scientists are sounding the alarm over chemicals and brain development
    They are calling for a worldwide overhaul of the regulatory process
    The American Chemical Council says the review is “highly flawed”
    The researchers say impacts could include ADHD and dyslexia

    (CNN) — The number of chemicals known to be toxic to children’s developing brains has doubled over the last seven years, researchers said.

    Dr. Philip Landrigan at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York and Dr. Philippe Grandjean from Harvard School of Public Health in Boston, authors of the review published Friday in The Lancet Neurology journal, say the news is so troubling they are calling for a worldwide overhaul of the regulatory process in order to protect children’s brains.

    “We know from clinical information on poisoned adult patients that these chemicals can enter the brain through the blood brain barrier and cause neurological symptoms,” said Grandjean.

    “When this happens in children or during pregnancy, those chemicals are extremely toxic, because we now know that the developing brain is a uniquely vulnerable organ. Also, the effects are permanent.”

    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/14/health/chemicals-children-brains/

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  251. Johnboy (15,564 comments) says:

    And I thought the poison in our adult brains entered through reading stuff like you see on KB etc! :)

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  252. kowtow (7,932 comments) says:

    Sanctions against Russia over Crimea ,great!

    Now let’s see Obummer,Camoron and the rest of the idiots impose sanctions on Commie China for occupying Tibet,destroying their culture and keeping that little fat fucker in North Korea in power!

    Nope didn’t think so.

    Hypocrites.

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  253. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    kowtow, I do not see how Obama or Cameron are responsible for the policy of former office holders and their decision not to impose sanctions on China over Tibet.

    Have you ever advocated sanctions on China over Tibet?

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  254. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business, the study you linked to covered fluoride only in the case of high doses occurring naturally in some places in China.

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  255. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business

    Do you have any thoughts on this as a cure-all?

    http://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/product.asp?id=68507&

    Preservative.
    Sexual lubricant
    and general all round salve for lives annoying little problems.

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  256. JMS (314 comments) says:

    Sanctions against Turkey for their continued occupation of northern Cyprus would also be in order.

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  257. Maggy Wassilieff (311 comments) says:

    The US have at least 15 military bases in South Korea. They’ve been at Yongsan (in Seoul) since 1945. I think much of the US Force Korea is to end up in a giant complex at Camp Humphreys
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Humphreys

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  258. stephieboy (2,524 comments) says:

    kowtow ,your problem the commie in the White house?

    Your treatment options outlined,

    http://www.healthline.com/health/paranoid-personality-disorder#Overview

    Seriously.!

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  259. CharlieBrown (923 comments) says:

    Comparing the US’s actions in Iraq and Afghanistan to what Russia is doing is pretty dumb. I don’t see Obama being called the head of state of those two countries.

    And Cyprus should be liberated from the turks as well.

    Unfortunately with Tibet, that ship has already sailed, much like Israel/Palestine, its too far in the past.

    I really don’t think that Russias boundries are going to stop growing over the next few years if Putin is left unchecked.

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  260. stephieboy (2,524 comments) says:

    Putin’s next shopping stop will be the Baltic and snippets of Eastern Poland.!

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  261. kowtow (7,932 comments) says:

    JMS Sanctions against the Turks, too bloody right.

    Instead the White House pushes any reluctance in the EU to allow the damn Turk EU membership.Downing Street is keen too.

    Meanwhile those damn Zionists blowing up Arabs houses…….oh wait.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/video/middleeast/2014/03/egypt-demolishes-homes-along-gaza-border-20143193374695805.html

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  262. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Bush the brainless tought us yet again.

    Empire building results in too much expenditure on occupation campaigns with ever escalation of cost.

    An expanded Russia will have to many diverse factions to hold together.

    They are to Reliant on over seas capital and the european market .

    The ruskys are not that stupid.

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  263. freemark (513 comments) says:

    “That’s almost worse, given the innocent people who are dying as collateral damage from his programme of drone executions without trial on foreign soil.”
    So maybe the legitimate targets of those drones (which I’m sure you’ll agree are a more effective & less destructive method than an invasion) shouldn’t use innocents as a shield.
    Do you think humanity would have been better served if Osama had been bought to trial? Do you think humanity would have been better served if Saddam (or Hitler, or Stalin, or Mussolini) had been taken out by a drone?
    What about George W?

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  264. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    Re Cyprus a Greek military government backed a coup in Cyprus to establish someone in office who would support unifying the island with Greece. The Turk reaction was just that to keep the Turk Cypriots from being forced to become part of Greece.

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  265. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    At what point is it justified to violate sovereign boundary.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_navigation#United_States_.22Freedom_of_Navigation.22_Program
    United States “Freedom of Navigation” Program

    The United States’ Freedom of Navigation program challenges territorial claims on the world’s oceans and airspace that are considered excessive by the United States, using diplomatic protests and/or by challenge. The United States position is to insist that all nations must obey the international law of the sea as stated by the UN Law of the Sea Convention, although the United States has not formally ratified the treaty.[8] Some coastal states make claims that the United States see as inconsistent with international law, which, if unchallenged, would limit navigational freedoms of the vessels and aircraft of the U.S. and other countries.[citation needed]

    On several occasions, U.S. armed forces have conducted operations in areas claimed by other countries, such as naval operations in the Gulf of Sidra in the 1980s. Throughout the years U.S. forces have been performing “Freedom of Navigation” operations in the Straits of Gibraltar, Strait of Hormuz, Straits of Malacca, the Indonesian Archipelago, the Black Sea under the name ‘Silver Fox’,[9] and occasionally the Canadian Arctic.

    One of the notable operations conducted as part of Freedom of Navigation program[10] was performed by USS Yorktown, during which, on February 12, 1988 she was “nudged” by Soviet frigate Bezzavetny in an attempt to divert the vessel out of Soviet-claimed territorial waters; some observers[who?] have called the event “the last incident of the Cold War.”[citation needed]

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Enduring_Freedom

    “Operation Enduring Freedom” (OEF) is the official name used by the U.S. government for the War in Afghanistan, together with a number of smaller military actions, under the umbrella of the Global “War on Terror” (GWOT).

    The operation was originally called “Operation Infinite Justice” (often misquoted as “Operation Ultimate Justice”),[3] but as similar phrases have been used by adherents of several religions as an exclusive description of God, it is believed to have been changed to avoid offense to Muslims, who are the majority religion in Afghanistan.[4] U.S. President George W. Bush’s remark that “this crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take a while”, which prompted widespread criticism from the Islamic world, may also have contributed to the renaming of the operation.[4]

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  266. stephieboy (2,524 comments) says:

    The real truth behind the Crimean /Ukrainian crises,

    http://www.google.co.nz/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Godlike+productiosn+zionists+ukaraine&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gfe_rd=ctrl&ei=y2YpU6LBG-PC8gewlIHgBQ&gw

    and re Russia:,Putin The last stand against Zionist Bankers ,

    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2506529/pg1

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  267. emmess (1,396 comments) says:

    Russian billionaire Alisher Usmanov sold shares in Apple Inc. and Facebook Inc. and bought into technology investments such as Alibaba Group Holding Ltd. in China, one of his advisers said.

    Well good luck to him them because I don’t know if anyone has looked at purchasing anything on Alibaba but they are as dodgy as fuck.

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  268. Reid (16,110 comments) says:

    stephie I think one of your problems is you need to learn how to spell before you can drive google. No wonder you get it wrong all the time.

    Here’s something from one of the zionists to get you started on the road to understanding.

    http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/03/17/bill-kristol-calls-for-americans-to-be-awakened-and-rallied-to-war/

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  269. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

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  270. emmess (1,396 comments) says:

    I watched Putin’s annexation speech and his message to the West boiled down to this.
    I don’t like what you do and I don’t believe the reasons you do what you do, so I will what you do too except that I will do it for a reason that no one will believe anyway.

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  271. Reid (16,110 comments) says:

    Putin, who was attending the Paralympic games in Sochi, has wisely stayed above the fray throughout the crisis brushing off the hysterical accusations and threats issued almost daily by President Obama or his vaudevillian sidekick John Kerry, the most incompetent buffoon to ever serve as US Secretary of State. Between Obama, Kerry and the irascible John McCain, who traipses from one media venue to the next spouting his cold war fulminations like an old man shooing kids off the front lawn, the US has made a spectacular hash of things leaving US foreign policy in a shambles. The Crimea fiasco shows that while Team Obama may be chock-full of fantasists, spin-doctors and crystal-gazing globalists it is sadly lacking in geopolitical pragmatists with a solid grasp of the way the world works. Obama has been no match for Putin who has tromped him at every turn.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/18/obama-backs-down-on-crimea/

    What the Western Media Won’t Tell You: Crimean Tatars and Ukrainians Also Voted to Join Russia
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-the-western-media-wont-tell-you-crimean-tatars-and-ukrainians-also-voted-to-join-russia/5373989

    US Ambassadors in Ukraine & Russia foment revolution
    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/01/31/ukraine-is-a-neo-con-testing-ground-for-russia.html

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  272. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Tricks with google

    Ask as the right question.

    Use keywords that narrow your search.

    Think critically as to its source.

    Domain name funding and mission.

    Check the authority.

    Seek and ye shall find,

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  273. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    DG & BMI nonsense…..

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/03/general_debate_18_march_2014.html#comment-1292031

    Back to the BMI and Polynesians..When I went to Tonga in 1999 I was astounded to find that Jonah Lomu was just average size up there…But I dont think the BMI has much value even for us whities – I understand that ALL of the All Blacks, whatever their race, are “obese” according to the BMI…

    (1) In Tonga – Jonah Lomu is average size. Really? Is he average height too at 6’5″ ? No. So the average Tongan man weighs about 120-130kg. Which means some are bigger, some smaller according to the meaning of the word ‘average’.

    Prove it. That assertion is bollocks.

    (2) Tongans are a bigger people as ethnic body types go. Were they all built like Jonah ? Body composition is something else entirely. Jonah was all beef. All muscle. His body fat % would no doubt have been ‘good’. All Tongan men are like that ? Bollocks.

    (3) All All Blacks are ‘obese’ according to BMI. Not the ones under the line for obesity which is about 100kg. They would be predicted overweight. The BMI scale was not created to measure rugby players. Or bodybuilders. Or body composition.

    (4) So what body fat percentage was your estranged wife then ? Got a number for that, do you ? You can be a powerlifter who can shift a shit ton of weight and carry a high percentage of fat. Fat and muscle are two different things. Extra fat is just extra weight to carry around with you. Fitness and stored body fat are two different things. You can be strong and fit – and carry a lot of fat.

    DG – I think your line of thinking around the topic of weight and ethnic body types is a bit off mate. I’m disappointed because I read your other posts and they make sense. Let’s get right into it because it’s something I actually have some interest in so I’m all in.

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  274. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    DG – http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/03/general_debate_19_march_2014.html#comment-1292474

    what I said was he is not a particularly big guy up there…

    Wrong – this is what you said…..

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/03/general_debate_18_march_2014.html#comment-1292031

    I was astounded to find that Jonah Lomu was just average size up there

    Define ‘not particularly big’ versus ‘average size’.

    Hmmm – that’s a worrying sign for me DG – your slipping and I don’t want people slipping – I want them performing to a high level. Certainly higher than that. Lift your game brother.

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  275. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    BMI – first off – anyone who thinks that it’s a total waste of everything can use something else… the mirror. Body fat percentage. Which is costly and impractical to measure with any accuracy.

    BMI or no BMI – this is a country CHOCK FULL of FAT FUCKERS.

    Islanders have bigger body types overall than other ethnic groups. So what ? What’s their body fat percentage ? 50%

    You take my body fat percentage and find me an Islander with the same body fat percentage. You want to tell me what the weight difference is going to be ? 20kg ? I don’t think so.

    Are Islanders all naturally bigger in body composition around the the middle part of their body in particular ? Just naturally well built with a cauldron shaped middle, yeah ?

    Some of the crap blokes delude themselves with eh. *I lift some weights every now and then so the BMI is meaningless because I’m ripped like an Olympic lifter*. How much extra muscle do these idiots think they’ve got versus if they didn’t train ? Come off it mate. Wake up !! Usually they’re overweight by any definition and in serious denial about it.

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  276. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    NZders have to wake up. Read – learn. Observe. Look around. Look at the world.

    Warped perspective. Being fat is normalised in a country full of inactive overeaters.

    Forget the BMI – THERE IS A LIMIT TO HOW MUCH EACH HUMAN CAN BURN IN ONE DAY. That’s called an indisputable fucking FACT.

    So – why consume more than that limit? What will happen if you do ? The body has NO OPTION but to store the extra as FAT. FACT.

    That’s why there’s so many fucking fat people, think about it !! Overeating. More kilojoules consumed than used per day.

    The Islanders have a lot of overeaters. Forget body type. I watch them eat a lot of shit and buy a lot of shit every fucking day.

    Look at the body shape – see those flabby bits getting big in one place or certain places ? Yeah – that’s where the extra kilojoules are kept !! No – it wouldn’t look like that with a balanced energy equation.

    Ask DPF – he’s living the dream !! I’m living the dream !! It’s easy. Wake up and snap out of it genius.

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  277. Manolo (13,516 comments) says:

    Some crooks seem to be enjoying the ride: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/9844400/Kohanga-Reo-audit-a-whitewash

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  278. Colville (2,176 comments) says:

    I love the way LR&C believes he is normal and everyone should be just like him.

    Its very amusing :-)

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  279. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    Colville – Do you think that’s how I am ?

    Haha – if everyone was like me they’d be no skilled workers, no work being done – but everyone running 80kms per week. And no children. NZ would decline to zero population.

    I love it !! Let’s do that. Everyone would have some abs though. That would be one hot looking society on the upside.

    20 stinking kms to do soon too. What a mother fucker. At least the weather is ok.

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  280. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    How much do the Nats pay for this blog

    change the name to

    Traitor bog

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