Dotcom spending $4 million to try and change the Government

May 29th, 2014 at 6:44 pm by David Farrar

One News has reported that has put $4 million into the Internet Party. No wonder he has no money for creditors, nannies or staff!

I recall the CTU (Harre’s current employer) said donation limit should be $5,000. The Greens (her employer before that) say $35,000 limit. But I bet you neither condemn Dotcom donating $4 million to buy a pet party, despite it being 800 times and 110 times what they said the limit should be.

Now just imagine that say the ACT Party received a $4 million donation from a convicted criminal fighting extradition for alleged financial crimes. Could you imagine the outrage from the left who would spend months decrying it and protesting against it.

Anyone who thinks this is not about trying to prevent extradition has to be kidding themselves. Why else would he be spending $4 million? It certainly isn’t to promote Internet issues.

The new Internet Party leader admitted today she actually knows almost nothing about Internet issues such as net neutrality, the HDC Bill, filtering, software patents, copyright, cybersafety, digital divide, rural braodband, ultrafast broadband, telco competition issues, the proposed copper tax, ISP liability and the like.

Here’s what she talked about in her press conference as *Internet* Party leader:

  • Asset sales
  • Employment laws
  • Sky City
  • Women’s rights
  • Paid parental leave
  • National Standards
  • Free tertiary education
  • Welfare state
  • Spy powers
  • Banning nuclear weapons
  • Springbok Tour

Does that look like an Internet Party to you? It’s an insult to those of us who have spent 20 years actually fighting for Internet issues. Her issues are the issuees of the Alliance and Mana. She’s a great MP for the typical hard left issues. But her selection as leader shows that the $4 million is purely about trying to change the Government, and has nothing to do with promoting policies good for the Internet.

UPDATE: Matthew Beveridge points out the Internet Party Leader has sent fewer tweets in 12 months than he does in a typical day. Laila as Leader of the Internet Party is like having Colin Craig as the Leader of the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party! Did she even join the party before she was asked to become its leader? I guarantee you the answer is no.

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99 Responses to “Dotcom spending $4 million to try and change the Government”

  1. Redbaiter (9,119 comments) says:

    Bit of a shame the Nats didn’t lobby a bit harder for change during the last MMP referendum.

    Too timid to take any kind of stand as usual.

    Now we have this disgusting mess.

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  2. Redbaiter (9,119 comments) says:

    BTW, if any commercial entity was to call its product “free” when it was really provided at taxpayer cost, they would be prosecuted for false advertising.

    Laila Harre should be prosecuted likewise for calling taxpayer funded tertiary education “free”.

    Just a blatant untruth from a shameless political huckster.

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  3. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    The silence from the left is …. predictable. $4m from a convicted criminal foreigner fighting extradition gives a little perspective to “that” glass of milk though, doesn’t it.

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  4. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    I wonder why shes a Ms.
    Im sure someone will hit her up about the donation hypocrisy, i look forward to that.
    Itl be great if Labour wins in Hones electorate, i think all this is going to help Labour get back in there.
    That should lead to a good 2-3% of the lefts party vote disappearing

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  5. George Patton (349 comments) says:

    I heard Laila once hacked IP 10.1.1.1

    Question – what is Kim DotCom paying Laila as a salary to campaign for the party – and was there any signing on bonus/incentive or performance pay should she get elected? Are there any contractual agreements that bind her into voting a certain way according to Kim DotCom?

    I think we should know…..

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  6. rouppe (971 comments) says:

    Well when you look at the Green Party ban list, how many of those are primarily about the environment?

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  7. Crusader (317 comments) says:

    Springbok tour. FFS. :rolleyes:

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  8. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    I seem to remember that it was National that took this fatarse German turd in as a citizen even though it was Labour that gave him residence.

    Pot and kettle springs to mind. How a crim like him can get either citizenship or residence tends to suggest that both our alternative governments are corrupt to the core! :)

    [DPF: He is not a citizen]

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  9. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    If he comes back to bite National on the arse then they only have themselves to blame for their veniality! :)

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  10. George Patton (349 comments) says:

    @johnboy – they didn’t take him in as a citizen. KDC had residency status, he is not a citizen.

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  11. SPC (5,643 comments) says:

    Seriously? Why does Labour have policies on more than union and worker related issues. Why do the Greens have policies on matters unrelated to renewable energy, conservation and environment. Because they are competing for government.

    Dotcom wanted a party that would support his position on the Internet

    The policy is in relationship to

    1. UFB availability to the public
    2. Internet Policy being consumer not corporate friendly
    3. New Zealand not being subservient to the GCSB/Echelon relationship as per “spying on the public using the internet”

    All of which is standard leftist fare as applied to the internet. So Harre is not unsuited to this role – especially as she has been in both the legislative and executive environment.

    Level of personal use on the Internet is no more relevant than a party leaders past personal use of welfare if his party has a welfare policy. A party has a spokesperson on Internet and welfare and housing etc.

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  12. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Harawira is going to be pissed that he only scored $500k of the $4million. It’s like he was bought off for a few trinkets. Hasn’t the Harawira family learned anything since 1840?

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  13. big bruv (13,932 comments) says:

    I refuse to watch John Campbell but I imagine that he is either not covering the KDC/Mana story at all or he is in support of it.

    Did anybody here watch it?

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  14. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    Actually it occurred to me that the best leader for the Internet Party would have been DPF. After all as he points out he has spent years ensuring its is well founded and run here in NZ.
    But, the name is not about the INTERNET as I see it. Its about the use by a party to actually get to voters.
    Slight difference as one is about the product and one is about the use of that product.
    so, not concerned at all about the fact that someone was smarter than someone else.
    you could of course now try to register the National Internet party or the Internet national Party.

    One generally despises the Greens but one is bound to say they and Mana have guzumpted the opposition quite well, which of course is why they are all yelling and screaming and carrying on like petulant children. Astonishing to watch.

    The Maori Party will be history and after todays debacle and bullying they won’t support the Nats. without outrageous demands for more so we are best rid of them.

    Labour will be tossed aside as will NZ first.

    going to be a fun ride guys.

    http://nominister.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/the-dance-of-increasingly-desperate.html

    Psycho Milt said…

    Hilarious, isn’t it? The commission that reviewed MMP recently was bombarded with public submissions opposed to the electorate-seat rort, and the commission duly recommended doing away with it. National refused to act on the recommendation, because National has done well out of that rort. Now, other parties have dipped a toe in the same water and National is outraged. Well, you had the opportunity and you didn’t take it.

    How we’ll all laugh if Collins’ refusal to implement the commission’s recommendations results in Annette Sykes or John Minto taking a seat in Parliament – oh, the irony…

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  15. SPC (5,643 comments) says:

    As for campaign finance, parties have campaigned for taxpayer funding and yet still raise party funds to operate under the current rules.

    Some have called for caps on level of private funding, but until these caps exist they take funds offered and declare them as required under the rules – including the Green MP’s tithing.

    It may be unfair that a few rich men can influence the financing of two parties to this extent, but these are the rules National wanted and which all parties operate under.

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  16. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    BB, not a thing, nada, zip. I also suspect Grant Robertson is suffering altitude sickness from the last ride on his high-horse and won’t be exercised by this either. Funny thing though, is that Labour and the Greens (and possibly the Maori Party) stand to loose the most from this auction of our democracy, not National/ACT/UF.

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  17. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Thanks chap’s I thought we’d made a serious mistake there with citizenship! :)

    Perhaps we should attach a GPS to him so that Obama can pinpoint him for a Predator strike and only take out Hone as collateral damage? :)

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  18. SPC (5,643 comments) says:

    One reason Dotcom would have supported Harre would have been because of the split in the Anderton led Alliance over Afghanistan during in 2001-2002. A past record of not supporting going with the American position.

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  19. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Or it might just be that she told him she hated “Rich Pricks” SPC.

    When he blanched she would have immediately realised her mistake and added “that pay their dues” :)

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  20. redeye (629 comments) says:

    National should campaign on reducing the overall number of politicians. That should increase the threshold and make this sort of bastardization so much more difficult.

    They would have no trouble selling it.

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  21. Fisiani (1,039 comments) says:

    Hone Harawira is the best MP that money can buy.

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  22. SPC (5,643 comments) says:

    Viking2, I am not so sure. He has yet to comment on what the Justice and Electoral Committee reported back on the Harmful Digital Communications Bill – establishing the internet as a media that can be censored more easily. Some champion of the Internet.

    http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/a-committee-of-fuckwits.html

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  23. wiseowl (899 comments) says:

    George.
    Heard a suggestion that the salary would be the same as an MP’s.

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  24. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    National should just declare a coup and start telling folk to say nice things only and not to argue like the chaps in Thailand have.

    Would make David Carter’s job easier! :)

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  25. HC (154 comments) says:

    So what do you mean? I am myself not that impressed, but with the “investment” by Dotcom, it is bloody obvious, that he has trust in Hone and Laila and wants a change of government. By the way though, what about all those donations by private enterprises and persons, some directly linked to National ministers and MPs, who made very generous donations also, to advance the National Party and present government agenda?

    Are you and your favoured National Party fellows perhaps now “jealous” that someone else is getting a bit more in donations?

    Dotcom is wanting to allow others, not even of his political persuasion, to take action, he made generous donations, this is disliked by John Key and National, so what is the surprise?

    I have my dislike for Dotcom, my suspicions, but too many peculiar things have gone on under Key, so I welcome a challenge, which costs money, and when it is fair game for Nats, ACT and others to accept large donations, do not push a fuss about Dotcom doing the same, to support another party, please.

    I have nothing to do with them though, and will vote and support different parties, just so you be sure to not accuse me of something.

    And should the courts find Dotcom has to go to the US for trial, I am sure they will, and nothing much will change. Even a change of government does not protect him from extradition, contrary to so many media speculations. And if a Justice Minister does give him grace, it may cost the government then in place the next election.

    Best wishes

    HC

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  26. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    “he has trust in Hone and Laila and wants a change of government”

    Errr, the election is not about the wishes of one convicted criminal foreigner.

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  27. CharlieBrown (1,014 comments) says:

    i love seeing the nats and their supporters obsess over KDC. I really hope he does bring down the government, will actually put an end to the political stagnation that John Key threw the country into. As a nation we have gone further left in 6 years of national than we did in the previous 20 years of government, we have a generation of people that have grown up on the teet of the tax payer and the one person that had a chance to stop it has just increased what the tax payer gives.

    I hope KDC brings down this rotten government and after the initial house fire ensues we get a government come in to take drastic measures to move us back to a political equilibrium.

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  28. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Great, a politician that doesn’t spend all day stuffing around on Twitter – I’m damn sure there will be some that appreciate that!

    For some reason, the under 40’s seem to think they are the only voters in this next election.

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  29. emmess (1,428 comments) says:

    I listened to Willie Jackson and Chris Trotter today.
    The most pathetic thing was that they admitted it was incredibly hypocritical, they just didn’t care.
    What they were saying was it is okay if ‘the right’ do it then it is okay for us. I assumed they were talking about situations such as Oravida. So they create these ‘perceived conflicts of interest’ and that excuses their obvious conflicts of interest which they happily admit to.
    It’s like accusing someone of punching someone else which they may or may not have done to excuse themselves committing murder.

    Never let them forget this, when they accuse anyone else of hypocrisy.
    Now it all makes sense, for example why Jackson and Trotter were supporting Putin. It is fine to tell outrageous lies in support of the movement.

    Oh, and as an aside. How many thousands of kids did KDC push into poverty when he arrived and how many will be lifted out when he is extradited?

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  30. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    redeye (628 comments) says:
    May 29th, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    National should campaign on reducing the overall number of politicians. That should increase the threshold and make this sort of bastardization so much more difficult.

    They would have no trouble selling it.
    =======================
    Well two issues with that idea. They would have to cosy up to Winston as he has said this for years and then they would have to eat humble pie and act on the Referendum that was held on the issue.
    Neither seems likely which is why they are the in such a mess.

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  31. Simon (728 comments) says:

    $4 million. The hustlers and shysters will be lining up. Natural home for these types in a crackpot left wing party anyway with the once in a generation payoff. Happy days indeed.

    While the money lasts flies around shit.

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  32. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Quite right Judith. Even old tart’s like you whose minimum measurement is at least 40″ are still allowed to have an opinion! :)

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  33. Crusader (317 comments) says:

    Viking2 (10,940 comments) says:
    May 29th, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    But, the name is not about the INTERNET as I see it. Its about the use by a party to actually get to voters.

    Of course. “Internet” is just a brand. Like “Green” is a brand for the neo-Communists.

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  34. George Patton (349 comments) says:

    Jesus, Martyn Bradbury’s hit payday. Expect some of the most crass and unpleasant stunts to come from the IP.

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  35. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    How many kids did KDC push into poverty when he arrived and how many will be lifted out when he is extradited?

    OMG – over reaction or what!!?

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  36. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (13,881 comments) says:
    May 29th, 2014 at 8:06 pm

    I’d worry more about your own measurement, if I was you Johnboy!

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  37. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    I’m five time’s lesser in significance than you Judith but all my ewe’s and I are happy. :)

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  38. Colville (2,272 comments) says:

    DotCrim spending $4mil on a vanity party is as vomit inducing as Terry Seriposuis spending $10Mil of stolen money on a shit soccer team in Wellington.

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  39. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @Johnboy (13,884 comments) says:
    May 29th, 2014 at 8:16 pm

    Sheesh, if you’re five times less important than me, you’re really in trouble. I’m the least important person I know.

    PS, change of word Johnboy? Having trouble with your insults tonight?

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  40. emmess (1,428 comments) says:

    OMG – over reaction or what!!?

    For the humourously challenged, I’ll make it a bit clearer

    How many kids did KDC push into poverty when he arrived and how many will be lifted out when he is extradited? /SARC

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  41. HC (154 comments) says:

    Rich Prick: Convicted for what? Minor offences, at a younger age. I wonder how many people in NZ got convictions and enjoy a clean slate or some other discretions, how many bullies are there, how many rape suspects, how many that bent the rules re declaring pecuniary interests, how many got drunk and insulted or else? I think we can get a long list, both from National and Labour MPs and we would find some revealing info on all this, hey?

    Personally I an NO fan of what goes on, but this whole approach has been highly promoted by the right leaning parties for years, rich listers have been groomed and favoured especially by National and ACT, and they made no secret of it.

    So while I rather see pure politics, in a world of money and profit, what is your damned argument against Dotcom, should he not have the same rights as your beloved Judith’s ORAVIDA donors?

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  42. HC (154 comments) says:

    So I get blocked from editing a comment, how does this work, I ask?

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  43. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    “rich listers have been groomed and favoured especially by National and ACT, and they made no secret of it.”

    What a fucking dumb comment. Who would a right wing party groom? Fucking trade unionists? Dickhead! :)

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  44. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Cause your a thicko HC? :)

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  45. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Two downthumbs for you stupid ….and I very seldom give them! :)

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  46. HC (154 comments) says:

    Johnboy can bully here, and gets away with it, how revealing.

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  47. HC (154 comments) says:

    I like to play fair, and if you have a backed up argument, come with it, I have no time for below the belt attacks by some who think they may be “regulars” that gives them special rights.

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  48. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    You can’t expect idiotic comments not to attract derision HC! :)

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  49. altiora (279 comments) says:

    Well I am pleased. I think New Zealanders will see through this. National will be returned with an increased majority — whether it be because more vote for them, or the left vote stays at home out of disgust. And we will now see popular support for ridding ourselves of MMP. But it is a shame that our electoral system has to be so debased before this happens.

    Of course, Redbaiter and the other loons will blame John Key.

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  50. Nostradamus (3,344 comments) says:

    I have no time for below the belt attacks by some who think they may be “regulars” that gives them special rights.

    Number of comments:
    – Johnboy – 13,891
    – HC – 140

    Oh dear… Johnboy probably has no time for people who are “new” and think they have special rights :)

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  51. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    For example: “rich listers have been groomed and favoured especially by National and ACT, and they made no secret of it.”

    Stupid comment.

    “Union/Eco terrorist shills have been groomed and favoured especially by Labour and Greenies, and they made no secret of it.”

    I rest my case! :)

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  52. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    HC, google it, a criminal is a criminal regardless of the offence, but that aside, if you care to call those “convictions for minor offences, at a younger age”, then you no doubt will be happy to email me your bank account details and PIN numbers for me to clean you out. You sound as though that would be all OK.

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  53. SPC (5,643 comments) says:

    “One News has reported that Kim Dotcom has put $4 million into the Internet Party. No wonder he has no money for creditors, nannies or staff!”

    Had no money because he could not access it.

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  54. HC (154 comments) says:

    Look up Elaycee’s comment from General Debate on 13 April at 08.37 am, and you will find reference to a critical, yes, very critical comment I made on Kim Dotcom, dear friends!

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/04/general_debate_13_april_2014.html

    What I expressed before was my astonishment about the ignorance and gullibility of so many New Zealanders to take the man that seriously. I did say more too. and it was not spelling out many compliments. I know where he comes from, and I know his background.

    As for Dotcom, I am pretty sure I was right – and am right – on what he did, and where he comes from but we also must bear in mind that people change, perhaps “improve” even, whether we like it or not. In times of hardship, distress and worse, many realise their past wrong doings, repent, reform and seek to do better. Maybe, just maybe, Kim Dotcom fits that description after all, despite of his past, and wants to now make a difference, for a good change?

    That would be one possibility, there may be others.

    I would be very careful to rubbish him and what Hone Harawira and others agreed with him. It may all end up in failure and misery, but who knows, it may actually shake up the election 2014.

    I have no time to speculate too much, and I will wait and see what will come of it all. Best of wishes.

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  55. Reid (16,513 comments) says:

    I think New Zealanders will see through this.

    IP and Mana have never aimed at people who could see through anything.

    Now they’ve got $4 million for the most ubiquitous political advertising campaign we will have seen from any party and it will be aimed specifically at those people who have no idea about anything, using lots of key words designed to make them appear fluffy and wonderful.

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  56. ross411 (842 comments) says:

    Kim Dotcom headlines:
    The nazi stuff.
    The racist stuff.
    The not paying his debts.

    IMO voting for Kim Dotcom’s Internet Party is to racism and dishonesty, as continuing to go to church after the child abuse allegations and lack of response/continual inaction to them by the church authorities is to implicit support of that child abuse.

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  57. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    aimed specifically at those people who have no idea about anything, using lots of key words designed to make them appear fluffy and wonderful.

    The same could be said for most political advertising in certain areas of the community.

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  58. altiora (279 comments) says:

    Reid I think the constituency they’re aiming for are notorious for not voting come election day.

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  59. HC (154 comments) says:

    I may ask, does any critic here, dare to challenge our dear host blogger, the honourable David Farrar, on his acknowledgment and comment on Radio NZ National this afternoon, where he spoke with Jim Mora and another panel member, and clearly said, that it appeared that it seemed to be a reverse kind of seizure by MANA of the Internet Party, thus complementing Hone Harawira and his team on getting such a one sidedly successful deal out of Dotcom.?

    That is what David more or less said, and he concedes, it may be smarter a move, than many here like to acknowledge, like it or hate it.

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  60. HC (154 comments) says:

    Reid and others are FURIOUS and jealous, that John Key did not get a MEGA deal out of any prospective Nat Party supporter, hey?! What a bloody embarrassment, there are “rich pricks” supporting LEFT policies and parties, believe it or not. What a damned shame, the usual calculation does NOT work, hahhaha!

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  61. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I think they are aiming for those people, who are traditionally floating voters, who may have voted for the current government last time, but are dissatisfied with it now, however do not want to vote for Labour/greens, so are looking for an alternative.

    With the campaign to dismiss Winston/NZ1, that leaves the Internet Party. I firmly believe they will get the ‘none of the above vote’ – in which case it doesn’t matter what their policies are, the people that will vote for them won’t really care – they just don’t want to give their vote to the other parties.

    We will see quite a few ‘no confidence’ votes.

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  62. HC (154 comments) says:

    Also, as far as I heard, the creditors to Dotcom have been paid by now, even Wayne Tempero. Anything else will of course be dealt with by the parties involved, and if need be, the courts.

    So do not bother warming up past misdoings, he may be deserving criticism, and if you have evidence, put it up, otherwise perhaps accept and move on.

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  63. itstricky (1,851 comments) says:

    Okay, dodgy foreigners splashing out on policitcal parties… hmmm… very dicey and ugly…. however:

    Does that look like an Internet Party to you? It’s an insult to those of us who have spent 20 years actually fighting for Internet issues. Her issues are the issuees of the Alliance and Mana.

    I agree with SPC. Clearly you’ve not actually thought about it DPF, or you’re just be disingenuous.

    You know that Vikram is involved, so you’ve probably got no better person for a voice for “Internet” issues.

    You also know that, if all they spoke about was The Internet, they’d be written off as single issue, single policy nutters (probably by yourself as well)

    You are likely to know that the leader doesn’t really have to have that much to do personally with any particular policy.

    UPDATE: Matthew Beveridge points out the Internet Party Leader has sent fewer tweets in 12 months than he does in a typical day.

    Really? The number of inane Tweets someone sends about taking a piss or having a lamington for lunch is suddenly a measure of how Internet worthy they are? Faaarrrrrrrr oooooouuuuuuutttttt…… what has happened to the world? Whatever happened to “It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it.” ?

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  64. Reid (16,513 comments) says:

    Reid I think the constituency they’re aiming for are notorious for not voting come election day.

    Yes of course. But that doesn’t mean they won’t this time.

    That is what David more or less said, and he concedes, it may be smarter a move, than many here like to acknowledge, like it or hate it.

    HC who cares if DPF framed it as a reverse-takeover? I mean do you think we’re like lefties here on this blog, and we need to act in unison with his every comment? We don’t, unlike people at say, The Stranded.

    Anyway, the point is, who cares? What this shows is Hone has no principle. That he’s prepared, like all lefties, to sell grandma down the river for the cause.

    Some people call that despicable. I’m one of them. I happen to think leaders should possess and demonstrate integrity. Hone does neither in this move, and it speaks volumes about those qualities or lack of, in those people who support him.

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  65. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Okay, dodgy foreigners splashing out on policitcal parties…

    But foreigners are okay, just not ‘dodgy’ ones.

    (Dodgy of course being open to interpretation and opinion, at this stage).

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  66. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Reid (15,751 comments) says:
    May 29th, 2014 at 9:21 pm

    And the right have NEVER sold grandma …???

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  67. itstricky (1,851 comments) says:

    But foreigners are okay, just not ‘dodgy’ ones.

    Well yes, dodgy people-who-have-only-just-arrived-off-the-boat-under-some-dubious-clouds-that-looked-awfully-like-(but-have-not-been-proved-to-be)-clouds-of-a-cumulus-criminalis-formation

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  68. itstricky (1,851 comments) says:

    Some people call that despicable. I’m one of them. I happen to think leaders should possess and demonstrate integrity.

    Yeah Banksie… take THAT, and THAT, and more of THAT.

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  69. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I happen to think leaders should possess and demonstrate integrity.

    I totally agree with you, and when one with those qualities stands for parliament, I shall give them my vote.

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  70. Reid (16,513 comments) says:

    And the right have NEVER sold grandma …???

    Not for the cause Judith. Sometimes because they were venal dishonest aholes, but not for the cause.

    Yeah Banksie… take THAT, and THAT, and more of THAT.

    I agree with the prosecution itstricky, and I always have. I hope he gets jail time. Same as I hope Winston does, for his “donations” from the racing and scampi industries.

    I totally agree with you, and when one with those qualities stands for parliament, I shall give them my vote.

    Yes I haven’t ever seen one, either. Lange comes closest but even he’s got quite a few skeletons.

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  71. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Choke on this rich pricks:

    Justice Minister Laila Harre today blocked the extradition of Kim Dotcon saying there is not enough evidence or reason to extradite a genuine patriotic Kiwi. She also said that her Government will never satisfy an illegal request from America. She proclaimed – “Kim is a free man in this country now”.

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  72. doggone7 (808 comments) says:

    ” But her selection as leader shows that the $4 million is purely about trying to change the Government, and has nothing to do with promoting policies good for the Internet.”

    Cry me a river with the “that”s not fair” attitude. Claire Trevett has another sob story from John Key about buying influence too .

    I want some rational explanation about why it’s so bad for Harré, Harawira, DotCom or anyone else to do everything they can get away with to get into power or influence those who have the power. That’s a game that’s been played forever.

    There’s a sort of frenzy rising which suggest some sort of electoral uncertainty, which is surprising from the around about 50 percenters.

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  73. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Sir Cullen’s Sidekick (673 comments) says:
    May 29th, 2014 at 9:44 pm

    I think this next election will be representative of a ‘circus’. The results, even if National do succeed in forming a coalition government, will be disastrous for all New Zealanders because the ‘cost’ of that coalition will be too high. National will be so restricted, that each and every process will become so tedious, that nothing will be achieved.

    NZ will be a joke – but hopefully we will learn from the experience, and any subsequent election results will represent the values that NZers once appreciated in their government.

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  74. Colville (2,272 comments) says:

    Justice Minister Laila Harre today blocked the extradition of Kim Dotcon saying there is not enough evidence or reason to extradite a genuine patriotic Kiwi. She also said that her Government will never satisfy an illegal request from America. She proclaimed – “Kim is a free man in this country now”.,

    #ifthefuckwitsgetelected

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  75. goldnkiwi (1,313 comments) says:

    Easy come, easy go, the money wasn’t earned as such. Clearly doesn’t want to give it to the Americans. A $4 million boost to the economy?

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  76. s.russell (1,642 comments) says:

    So Harawira sold his party to Dotcom, who sold it to the Alliance Party. This says a lot about Harawira and about Dotcom’s motivations – viz, these have nothing to do with the internet but are all about opposition to National (policies are immaterial).

    For those who are appalled the good news is that the result is to revive the extreme left/Mana, who will a) take votes only from Labour and the Greens and not at all from National; and b) increase the toxicity of the notional left-wing alternative Govt. ie, it will damage Labour both on the left, and in the centre.

    So what does Dotcom stand to gain? A (hoped for) bunch of MPs in his pocket who will owe their seats to him and his money.

    Overall, this development probably decreases the chances of a change of Govt. But it increases the chance that if there were a change, it would be forced by said pocketed MPs to block his extradition – or whatever else he wants.

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  77. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    s.russell, my point exactly. It’s jolly good news on the right. Not a single National, ACT, United Future, Conservative, nor should I say it, NZ First voter, will give a party vote to Kim Dotcom/Mana. Only Green whack jobs, Labour voters and possibly one or two Maori Party voters will party vote Kim Dotcom/Mana, better still I think the electorate in Te Tai Tokereau will give Hone the arse for selling out to the white man for lots of dosh. But of course by then Kim will have long been on a plane and lounging in an orange jumpsuit and bunking with Bubba.

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  78. Nostalgia-NZ (5,221 comments) says:

    It looks like some people are beside themselves in being upset about this new party, even while through clenched teeth they celebrate it as a victory! A very diverse argument it seems.

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  79. Brett Hudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Level of personal use on the Internet is no more relevant than a party leaders past personal use of welfare if his party has a welfare policy.

    This ‘do as I say, not as I do’ philosophy appears prevalent on the Left. Like the former Labour MP on Wellington City Council who voted in favour of the Living Wage, but doesn’t pay it to his own staff.

    It does seem more than a little odd that a person coming from a background of big, interventionist Government should be leading a party that is supposedly supporting Internet freedoms and the absence of regulation.

    The two could never be compatible – just this year we’ve seen Labour MPs propose cutting Internet access to sites they don’t approve of.

    So the price on the Dotcom Indecent Proposal was $4m – I guess there is some inflation out there after all.

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  80. Lance (2,662 comments) says:

    It is beyond me that there are actually lefties here making excuses and lauding this most unnatural obscenity of politics.

    Hell I never thought I would admire Sue Bradford but even she saw this as a complete vomit inducing inevitable train wreck and didn’t want a bar of it.

    Look at yourselfs, how can you approve of this, seriously do you have any standards whatsoever?

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  81. SPC (5,643 comments) says:

    Did the right complain about the influence of money and the practice of MMP rorting?

    But now they complain that the left can also access such money and practice the same.

    Heard the term play to the refs whistle? Adapt to rule changes? In todays rugby its squat and lean forward to reach for the ball, like old men with ACC back injury prevention induction – we may prefer ruck ball, but the rules are what they are.

    And the left has at least tries to get the rules changed, but National kept them as they are.

    Dotcom buying influence like Oravida/Sky City/Hollowood. Buying votes like Craig … waaa, stamp of feet then a crawl onto ground to pound the hands against the floor … waaa.

    As for demanding that the left be convicted of guilt for doing what the right does … hilarious.

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  82. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    SPC, we just don’t like non-citizen criminals buying NZ politics. That is all. If you do, by all means vote Dotcom/Mana, all you will be voting for is Kim Dotcom’s extradition being vetoed nothing more.

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  83. SPC (5,643 comments) says:

    But no problem with foreigners (of all sorts) buying our houses and getting investor status on the mere promise to undertake property development?

    Or foreign owned companies getting deals from government, Comalco, Sky City etc.

    Or with donations from this same source to Banks … that he tried to keep secret in breach of our law?

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  84. thePeoplesFlag (247 comments) says:

    David Farrar is just sour because the Internet Party hax0red the system by using the backdoor his lot left in place just for ACT.

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  85. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    How in hell does this country allow a foreign criminal to not only make a mockery of our legal system, but also thumb his nose at our elected politicians? He is a desperate felon who has extradition proceedings in limbo because he has bought off losers and circumvented what, to anyone else, would be a matter of being put on a plane and tossed out. This obese slug must be thrown out of our country, not later, but now!

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  86. Gulag1917 (930 comments) says:

    Kim Dotcom, watch this

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  87. ross001 (213 comments) says:

    Anyone who thinks this is not about trying to prevent extradition has to be kidding themselves. Why else would he be spending $4 million?

    So when Kim Dotcom held a big fireworks party, he was really trying to prevent extradition, notwithstanding that his mansion hadn’t been raided at that point? :)

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  88. RJL (146 comments) says:

    @DPF “Here’s what she talked about in her press conference as *Internet* Party leader…

    Shock! horror! Political party has policies!

    @DPF ““It’s an insult to those of us who have spent 20 years actually fighting for Internet issues

    Yes, but you are irrelevant because you are so hopelessly compromised by your association with National when it actually counts; c.f. GCSB, international copyright, etc.

    @HC “…and [DPF] clearly said, that it appeared that it seemed to be a reverse kind of seizure by MANA of the Internet Party, thus complementing Hone Harawira and his team on getting such a one sidedly successful deal out of Dotcom.?

    On the other hand, DPF is jealous and sad that the Internet party has not invited him to play with them. So he is desparate to portray it as the type of club he wouldn’t want to join anyway.

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  89. ross001 (213 comments) says:

    Here’s a reminder of that fireworks display, which apparently cost US$500,000.

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  90. ross001 (213 comments) says:

    Why else would he be spending $4 million?

    Actually it’s $3 million to fight the election, but what’s a million dollars to the Right?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10101575/Dotcom-pumps-3m-into-party

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  91. Elaycee (4,393 comments) says:

    Given the precedent and the support from the left for this ‘marriage of convenience’, they could hardly object if ACT and Colin Craig did a similar thing… and maybe Peter Dunne, too.

    They could contest electorate seats but combine the Party vote to get additional MP’s. Then they could dissolve the ‘merger’ after the Election and go their separate ways – in the same manner proposed by the Internet/Mana outfit.

    Heh… can you imagine the howls of indignation?

    The left would be apoplectic. :D

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  92. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    Elaycee, wouldn’t that be fun, a good old fashioned first past the post election. Those were the days.

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  93. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    The unions must be very happy that the unpaid (and underpaid ) workers for Dotcom haven’t been paid while he donated large sums of money to advance the cause of workers rights via a few highly paid individuals who’ve never found work outside of unions and politics.

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  94. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    burt: As always, you are right on the money . . . they are leeches!

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  95. Elaycee (4,393 comments) says:

    @Rich Prick: At least with FPP you knew what you were getting from each Party – warts and all.

    Nowadays, a ‘one trick pony’ with a few bob in their pocket can manipulate the system to push their personal agenda – whilst remaining free from electorate accountability.

    MMP is becoming more and more like Mickey Mouse Politics.

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  96. SPC (5,643 comments) says:

    At least the Internet Mana Party will oppose GCSB spying on our metadata.

    John Key’s assurance that we would not be spied was a lie. The GCSB is allowed to spy on metadata.

    http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/statute-or-its-bullshit.html

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  97. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    MMP is becoming more and more like Mickey Mouse Politics.

    If it was just Mickey Mouse, it might not be so bad, but did they have to invite Daffy Duck, Goofy and the Mad Hatter?

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  98. wikiriwhis business (4,019 comments) says:

    “I wonder how many people in NZ got convictions and enjoy a clean slate or some other discretions,…”

    The clean slate law is a fraud. As soon as you get a conviction and fined for any misdmeanour you cannot have your slate cleaned.

    I have also found out anyone who misses one rates payment is forced to renovate their home and sell it.

    No wonder there was a report on Radio Live last night of a woman investigating what she calls illegal rate rises from councils. I’m sure many rate payers all over the country are due back payments from councils for illegal rate rises.

    Esp now so many areas are also paying water meters as well.

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  99. Bad__Cat (140 comments) says:

    Ratepayers getting back payments from their council is like taking money from one pocket, giving half to a lawyer, and putting what’s left in the other pocket.

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