The Government should say no to more money for Team NZ

June 14th, 2014 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

Team New Zealand’s plea for poverty is wearing thin with the Government.

With their bridging finance fast running out Grant Dalton yesterday reiterated the team’s dire financial position, warning without an immediate cash injection from the Government the syndicate would be “gone by the end of the month”.

“If we go, there ain’t no coming back. The start-up price of a team from scratch is so astronomical that it will never happen in this country.”

Sadly, I say if the team folds, then the team folds.

I recall the glory days of the America’s Cup. The excitement when Australia won it. The excitement when NZ challenged and lost, and lost again. And then that magical day when we won it and the country celebrated more than when the All Blacks win. And the successful defence also.

There can be both an economic and social benefit in having the Government assist syndicates to compete in major sporting contests. I’m not someone who says support in the past has been wrong.

But the glory days of the Cup are behind us. It doesn’t excite, inspire and unite as it once did. And most of all the latest rules from Oracle have screwed the scrum – it isn’t a fair contest.

Taxpayers have already put in $5 million. That is more than enough. If the syndicate can’t survive without more cash from taxpayers, then so be it. It would be sad, but the worry is that the more we put in, the the more we would feel obliged to keep putting in – throwing good money after bad.

But Team NZ’s rather precarious position has been met with a shrug from the Minister of Economic Development, Steven Joyce. While sympathetic to the team’s plight, Joyce believes if sponsors aren’t yet willing to take the risk, then neither should the taxpayer.

Good.

He indicated the Government would consider giving a further $2 million.

“My view is if the sponsors are going to join in then at least put some money on the table now so we all know there are committed commercial sponsors for an America’s Cup challenge,” he said.

“Taxpayers have already put $5 million on the table, we’re prepared to give more but this cannot be a government-funded challenge. This must be a private sector-funded challenge.”

Why not a loan, if it is bridging finance?

I suspect the new rules by Oracle will make it hard to get private sponsors. If so, then we won’t be there but we can cheer on Australia. If Australia win, then we can look to challenge them the time after in a fair ccontest.

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80 Responses to “The Government should say no to more money for Team NZ”

  1. Pete George (22,851 comments) says:

    I’m over the America’s Cup, far too commercial and rigged. Not something for Government (taxpayers) to throw money at.

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  2. dog_eat_dog (743 comments) says:

    DPF, the Australian syndicate doesn’t exist. It’s a puppet state created by Oracle to ram through their ridiculous rules with someone who will agree to them and thus bind everyone else. This is fairly par for the course, and from memory, a similar situation was what led to Oracle’s Deed of Gift challenge in the first place.

    If we’re going to end the TNZ rort, then get rid of all the others like arts funding, museums, funding of any other national sporting body, etc. More people tuned into the America’s Cup last year than probably visited the RNZ Ballet in a decade. Why should TNZ almost winning the America’s Cup be less important than someone finishing 10th at the Winter Olympics in terms of funding philosophy?

    I don’t agree with TNZ getting anything other than a loan, but there are many other extremely discretionary examples of spending that your average man in the street gets nothing out of.

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  3. prosper (132 comments) says:

    Challenging Australia? Fair contest? You’re dreaming.

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  4. Pdubyah (13 comments) says:

    Its not a charity it’s a private corporation, and now it’s a vanity project.

    in the unlikely event that NZ could win it again the chance of it being staged in the Waitemata Harbour would be improbable, given the continued development of the waterfront around and abouts the viaduct, and so they can’t even claim economic benefit for the country .

    Sure we have good sailors, boat builder and designers, but not the only ones in the world.

    Dalton would do well to lay bare the amount they need and the reasons they need it, such as who’s being what and why, including himself, and then call on public sympathy to get a hearing.

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  5. Yvette (2,692 comments) says:

    Why not a loan, if it is bridging finance?

    Because the current $5 million gift has produced nothing, why would a “loan” requiring a return do any better?

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  6. Fisiani (953 comments) says:

    The America’s Cup is so 20th century. For the 21st Century why not start a new and fair cup started by NZ. A contest of sailing and not who has the best lawyers.

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  7. Paulus (2,502 comments) says:

    I am sure that Taxpayers money would have been available if we had won the last time.
    8 wins ahead, and still lost.
    We should not back losers with tax money.
    There are many other worthy areas to extend this money – schools for example.

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  8. dog_eat_dog (743 comments) says:

    Pdubyah, Dalton has alluded to a transparent set of accounts prepared by ETNZ with far more disclosure than most other entities to get the initial $5m grant from the Government, but I can’t find them online. They outline who is on what, down to the individuals (Dalton, Barker, etc). That’s far more details than we get for a lot the things we *have* to fund from our tax revenue.

    Now if I could only find the damn things…

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  9. Ben2001 (18 comments) says:

    Perhaps we may get a definitive statement from Mr Cunliffe on where he and the Labour Party stand on this. It should be another good example of verbal contortionist facing in six different directions at once.

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  10. TM (98 comments) says:

    It’s dead in the water. You’d be lucky to get 5% public support for more funding, so it’s highly unlikely the government will throw money at it in an election year.

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  11. Captain Pugwash (92 comments) says:

    The Americas Cup is a wealthy mans pissing contest, I’ve got no problem with that. If I had the money ($ billions I presume) I might consider giving it a shot. If you have to hold a sausage sizzle (ie going cap in hand to the government) you’re not really in the game. Why my hard earned tax dollars are needed to support already wealthy yachties, to pursue their hobby is beyond me. Interesting to note, NZ’s wealthiest man, Graeme Hart, isn’t involved, probably one reason he’s worth a few bob.

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  12. WineOh (552 comments) says:

    Sponsors will be looking at giving it second thought before supporting it too. The sponsors of the hosts last time renegotiated their deal given how few challengers there were in the race. 3 teams in the last competition?? What a joke. Call out Oracle on their legal wrangling, boycott the Americas Cup. How much TV time will there be watching them race against themselves?

    Time to start up a NEW international regatta where the rules aren’t dictated by the richest competitor to favour their own circumstances. Run it like the World Cup, where it is hosted by a different nation each time, rotating through the participating countries with fair rules across the board.

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  13. Judith (7,626 comments) says:

    I am in favour of a loan, for two reasons, one because the spin offs for New Zealand are immense. We simply could not afford to pay for the type of international coverage that we received in the last campaign, and although the American’s won the race, we certainly won the hearts of the world.

    It is that same audience that will be watching, and supporting New Zealand, if we take up the challenge again. And we will benefit from that coverage, both with tourism and simply having our name out there.

    We should never forget we are a small country at the bottom of the world. Easily ignored, unless we shout loud hard and strong.

    My second reason is I would love to see us return and kick yanky butts!!

    However, there has to be a limit and that limit needs to be worked out so that we (the taxpayer) is not contributing any more than what we get in returns. And preferably a whole lot less. If we stand to gain more than 20 million then by all means contribute another five, but if the cost/benefits weigh up that we are only likely to benefit by 7 mil (for example) then we’ve spent enough.

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  14. Scott1 (448 comments) says:

    dog eat dog,
    You have to start somewhere.

    The (usually somewhat disguised) argument that money is spent stupidly on other issues so why not this one – is far too common.

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  15. Harriet (4,521 comments) says:

    Fuck me!

    Everyone in San Diego & San Francisco must have had $50k of ‘NZ Tourism’ grants/dollars spent on them by now.

    The only thing international viewers see on the TV is ‘NZ’ – on the fucken sail!

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  16. beautox (430 comments) says:

    The obvious thing for TNZ to do is tell Oracle “Up yours”. It’s stupid to play their ridiculous games, and Oracle need TNZ to make the cup a viable prospect. TNZ should say publicly that this is a “rorting contest not a sporting contest” and snub them. Even float the idea of a new competition to replace AC that is fair and “sporting”

    But Dalts and gang have gotten used to their comfy salaries so they don’t want to do the right thing. So if they want to appear venal and suck up to Oracle for the sake of continuing to be paid, let them do it on somebody else’s dime, not on the public teat.

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  17. dirty harry (429 comments) says:

    Sorry GD , you are flogging a dead horse. No one cares about the AC. The average joe in the street couldnt give a flying..

    No more sausage for you and ya buddies..let it go..its over.

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  18. Viking2 (11,137 comments) says:

    TNZ could try crowd funding. It works very well.
    The well healed helpers could tithe some of their salary like the Greens if they are passionate enough.

    We need to own the Cup so we can change the rules to exclude the Yanks.

    It would be a pity to lose the development etc that comes with the Cup contests.

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  19. Harriet (4,521 comments) says:

    “….We simply could not afford to pay for the type of international coverage that we received in the last campaign….”

    Judith……losing when you are at 9/10 and the SINGLE OTHER COMPETETOR is 1/10…..is not something anyone would want to advertise…….let alone fucken pay for!!!

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  20. Judith (7,626 comments) says:

    @ Harriet (4,230 comments) says:
    June 14th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    No Harriet. I hate the way some of them have manipulated the system to their own advantage in the ‘America’s Cup’. I would love nothing more than for good old Kiwi ingenuity to out smart them, and teach them that they (the people involved) are not ‘all that’.

    But I also agree that if everyone boycotted the cup – and left them to play with themselves, something I’m sure they are very adept at doing – then that wouldn’t be so bad either. Problem is everyone would have to boycott it, and I don’t think that would happen.

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  21. Captain Pugwash (92 comments) says:

    Someone should suggest to Putin that a Russian team challenge.

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  22. Scott1 (448 comments) says:

    the guys who estimate how much regions and countries gain from these events almost always overestimate by a wide margin because there are many ways to calculate benefits and the peopel with the information are often vested interests.
    therefore it is so tempting for the people closest to the events to make things look much more beneficial and to overlook negitives.

    You cant say that the paper they will produce and publicize is “wrong” but it will almost certainly be way out on the large side of a very wide range, as a result I would always want high returns on sponsoring a event where you cannot gain most of it back via direct returns by clipping the ticket.

    A loan is better than a gift of money but one then should rationally consider risk relative rate of return.

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  23. Lindsay Addie (1,129 comments) says:

    Joyce is a closet socialist the way he’s handed out taxpayers money to these guys.

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  24. dog_eat_dog (743 comments) says:

    To anyone saying ‘start a new regatta’: Why should I give a shit about it and not one of the thousands of other boat regattas around the world already going? There’s only one ‘America’s Cup’, that’s kind of the entire point.

    I suspect Oracle know full well that of all the teams who have pledged to show up next time, none of them got their shit together for AC34 despite doing the same before that too.

    I’m in favour of TNZ getting a loan. Dalts seems to think he has the sponsors from next February onwards, if he needs a loan to get him until then, then so be it.

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  25. Judith (7,626 comments) says:

    @ Harriet (4,230 comments) says:
    June 14th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    Did you not read the international news coverage. We may have lost, but the rest of the world, even some in Australia and America were backing us. They knew the Amercian’s weren’t cheating as such, but weren’t playing fair either. We won the sympathy vote – but we also exposed New Zealand to the world.

    As I said before Harriet. We are a small tin pot country with very little to offer. We have bugger all natural resources and not a great deal going for us, and yet, we consistently (at least in the past) have ranked high in sports and other international ratings. We are dependent on being able to get our name out there – if we don’t we will simply fade into second (or third) rate oblivion. We have to shout to be heard, because we are smaller – and whether it is in yachting or throwing a shot putt – every time we take part our name is given on the world stage.

    Can you think of any other way that we can do that if not by participation?

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  26. FeralScrote (57 comments) says:

    If Dalton wants to go sailing he can dip into his own pocket,with the taxpayer cash he has received to date he has to be in the running to be NZs highest paid beneficiary.

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  27. Scott1 (448 comments) says:

    Anyway bottom line is they already looked at this and they put some money in that they thought was reasonable based on the evidence – and TNZ is back with it’s hand out.

    At some point even NZders get tired of that.

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  28. Lindsay Addie (1,129 comments) says:

    Could Joyce please explain why TNZ needs any assistance from the Government when the NZ boating industry generates $1.7 BILLION IN REVENUE PER ANNUM.

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/innovative-maritime-industry-beating-economic-headwinds-wb-12

    Dalton should go get all the loot from his mates and stop bludging off the taxpayer.

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  29. tvb (4,208 comments) says:

    It is time the Government stopped sponsoring this race. Dalton has to bear some responsibility for what happened last time when he went walkabout. Then he keeps ramping up the pressure it just makes me cold. The next race appears rigged anyway so what is the point. Dalton can take his crew and help out the Aussies.

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  30. Yogibear (295 comments) says:

    We would get better value for money with a “visit nz” logo on the arse of an English Premier League teams shorts

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  31. Judith (7,626 comments) says:

    @ FeralScrote (18 comments) says:
    June 14th, 2014 at 10:01 am

    Fair enough not wanting to support the race, but there is no need to dis a man that has worked hard and been extremely dedicated. Yes, he’s benefited by being paid, just as our All Blacks are and many others.

    Your suggestion is as good as suggesting John Key dip into his own bank account to assist with our country’s debt, or perhaps suggesting Ritchie McCaw pay for the next order of All Black jersies.

    I hate our tall poppy syndrome – showing disrespect to those people that have worked hard to get our name out there is pathetic and very weak minded.

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  32. Judith (7,626 comments) says:

    Dalton should go get all the loot from his mates and stop bludging off the taxpayer.

    I suspect he’ll do just that, but instead of the boat having New Zealand on it – it will have some other country’s name, and there will rightfully be no benefit to this country.

    How about a suggestion from you about how we as a country can get our name out there on the international stage, in a way that won’t cost any money if we aren’t prepared to back our sports people?

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  33. Bingo99 (64 comments) says:

    Judith – get a grip and for God’s sakes stop playing up the “NZ is weak and useless” bull.

    We’ve proved ourselves on the world stage enough times in enough fields to be well beyond cacking ourselves anytime we get foreign coverage. Surely we’re not that insecure to go weak at the knees every time we’re mentioned on American telly. The coverage, by the way, gets added up in the “net benefit” calculations, but everyone knows it’s bollacks. That’s why San Francisco doesn’t care that it’s lost hosting rights – the economic gains are an illusion.

    I love sailing. I love what Team NZ has done. But it’s over. We need to know when to walk away. And the 8-1 choke proves these guys aren’t up to it. End of story.

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  34. Warren Murray (277 comments) says:

    Never been a fan of the cup, always even when Michael Fay was challenging, it seemed like a game for people with too much money who could afford a boat and a gang of lawyers. nothings changed except for some reason taxpayers are being tapped now.

    It is the best example of why government cant pick winners. After a while. It looks like the govt is gambling with the public purse. When we lose, the Govt cops the blame for wasting taxpayers money.

    Regardless of whether we are in the competition there’s plenty of new Zealanders in other syndicates, so there is some economic benefit, but it’s not a national sporting competition, it’s a race between clubs.

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  35. Judith (7,626 comments) says:

    @ Bingo99 (47 comments) says:
    June 14th, 2014 at 10:33 am

    Yes, we have proved ourselves on the world stage many times, in many fields, and how have we done that?

    In almost all of those areas, the competitors got there because of government (tax payer assistance).

    It is not something that you do once and hope that everyone will remember it for here and ever after. We have to be out there and proud on a regular basis.

    The economic gains, are not simply from the race – they are in seeing the name New Zealand (yes there are people in the world who don’t even know where that is).

    You say we aren’t weak and useless – perhaps you’d like to tell us exactly what we have going for us that would allow us to compete in the international arena, if it wasn’t for government assistance, be it in the form of donations, tax cuts, or representation? By that I mean the name ‘New Zealand’. Sure there are companies that provide services etc internationally, but our brand doesn’t appear.

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  36. burt (7,820 comments) says:

    Warren Murray

    It’s not really a race between clubs, it’s a billionaires pissing competition. The moment ‘team NZ’ took foreign corporate sponsorship for prime advertising space the government should have pulled all funding. But … No… We’re a country where tax payers money buys political popularity and campaign photo opportunities before it’s spent on essential services.

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  37. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    bingo99, there was no choke, just a transition from having a faster boat to having a slower boat.

    That highlights the difficulty when challenging with only one boat, the team with two will have better boat speed development.

    If we go in again, we go in knowing the best result is being the challenger whose challenge will fail. And if the challenge is one sided we get little out of being at the event. Most coverage only comes at the challenge end of the event.

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  38. Longknives (4,461 comments) says:

    “We simply could not afford to pay for the type of international coverage that we received in the last campaign, and although the American’s won the race, we certainly won the hearts of the world.”

    For fuck’s sake Judith…”We won the hearts of the World???”
    Nobody outside of Auckland gives a flying hoot about the America’s Cup..let alone “the hearts of the World”
    Do you really think million upon millions of people in South America,Asia and Africa were glued to their TV sets whooping and cheering for Dean Barker??
    Stop believing everything you read/hear from the laughable NZ sports media…

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  39. tas (595 comments) says:

    Whatever the govt does, Labour will attack them for it. I guarantee Cunliffe will be spouting lines either strongly supporting TNZ or strongly criticising govt handouts. It just depends on what the war room tells him.

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  40. burt (7,820 comments) says:

    Judith

    All those people living the dream cruising around in flash boats drinking bubbles with mega rich folk for a few months of racing. They told us the government was right to spend tax payers money so they could enjoy the experience … And you bought it.

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  41. thor42 (920 comments) says:

    Let them sink.
    The Cup rules are completely one-sided anyway. It’s more of a joke now than it ever was.

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  42. burt (7,820 comments) says:

    tas

    I think you are on the money. Cunliffe could just as easily come out with a ‘KiwiBoats’ policy to nationalise the super yacht makers or go the other way saying no support from a Labour govt. of course he’ll stuff up either position and either forget Labour have poured money into this before or claim National didn’t spend enough.

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  43. ross411 (220 comments) says:

    I remember seeing a news story about how boat builders wouldn’t be able to afford to stay in business if the government didn’t fund the cup. And then I remembered how there were news stories about how film-makers wouldn’t be able to afford to live if the government didn’t offer a rebate, and how they needed to be supported.

    I feel like a slave, paying tax for other people to not work when they have their own children. I feel like a slave, paying tax for people with their unprofitable hobbies which they bemoan have unsubstantiated benefits. I feel like a slave paying high local rates to support vanity projects like art galleries, opera and so forth.

    Yes, yes, I know I am not a slave. But when you are forced by law to work on someone else’s behalf for their freedom not to have to work on someone else’s behalf, the sentiment is undeniably there.

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  44. Chris2 (756 comments) says:

    What exactly is the money needed for? Six-figure salaries and wages I imagine.

    Let’s hear from Team NZ where exactly our $5 million has already gone.

    There are a few millionaires in the yacht racing business; how about they stump up some of the cash.

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  45. big bruv (13,296 comments) says:

    I’m not sure about funding another Americas cup bid. Yes I know that some will say that the tax payer should not be paying for this type of thing but the reality is that by not funding the Americas cup it is not as if we are all going to have more money in our pockets.

    If the government does not fund the America’s cup team they will only spend the money on bludgers, they are talking about money that the tax man is going to take off us already.

    While I am against the tax payer funding this type of thing I would rather they spent it on the Americas cup than on handing it out to some parasite or to some tribal group by way of “koha”.

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  46. mudrunner (88 comments) says:

    Walk away

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  47. Scott Chris (5,880 comments) says:

    I suspect the government are waiting to see which way the electoral wind is blowing on this issue before they decide whether or not to pin their colours to TNZ’s mast. My opinion on this issue was sought by some telephone wielding pollster.

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  48. burt (7,820 comments) says:

    big bruv

    What I want to know is, if we took all the money over the years the government has poured into yachting and extrapolated that as wages for boat builders – how much are we actually paying these guys to run the businesses they love and are passionate about but which deliver no actually measurable benefit to all New Zealanders.

    Perhaps I should register a space exploration business, join the race to build a civilisation on Mars and then claim it’s not really sustainable and it needs public money. Imagine the benefits for NZ if we ran the first 3 day moon tours operation….

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  49. big bruv (13,296 comments) says:

    burt

    I do not disagree with you. My point is that by not funding the Americas cup it is not as if we will be taxed less. The government will still take the money anyway.

    I would rather it was spent on doing something positive than by giving it to bludgers and parasites.

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  50. publicwatchdog (2,107 comments) says:

    Funny how ‘user-pays’ doesn’t apply to rich boys toys?

    Penny Bright

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  51. Redbaiter (7,628 comments) says:

    Big Bigot supports big tax and spend left wing govt, disarming of the population, assaults on freedom of religion, and seeks to balance all of this by occasionally slagging off the Maoris. The kind of “right winger” communists love.

    The National Party shouldn’t be polling on this issue. They should be showing leadership and saying they won’t be taking money from working NZers to fund the cup or any other sport.

    When will these communist bastards understand that apart from paying for the necessities of govt, they have no right to help themselves to the money other people have earned? If people want to fund the America’s cup they can do it voluntarily. For example if the tourist industry benefits then they should be voluntarily helping the team meet costs.

    Drooling idiots who think phrases like “proving ourselves on the world stage” and “winning the hearts of the world” have real meaning are not prevented from supporting sport. Write a cheque and send it off. Just keep your thieving fingers out of my wallet. I have other priorities for the money I have earned.

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  52. Fentex (867 comments) says:

    I like the idea some have suggested that Team NZ should ignore the Americas Cup and organize a better designed competition themselves – call it the Pacific Cup, sailed in the Pacific, welcome everyone and have rules designed for popular competition.

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  53. thePeoplesFlag (175 comments) says:

    For an elite sport for rich billionaires the America’s Cup sure seems to need a lot of taxpayers money. I was watching Spittal on the telly trolling NZ hard the other night and I thought to myself, this is bullshit. Nasty swaggering dickheads full of their own importance in a jacked up event that stinks. Time to let it go. If they must spend the money, do it on a sport that generates pleasant feelings and is run by decent folks.

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  54. big bruv (13,296 comments) says:

    Penny

    “Funny how ‘user-pays’ doesn’t apply to rich boys toys?”

    Funny how self appointed “peoples advocate” does not pay her rates bill.

    You are a hypocrite and a bludger Penny, you have no right to contribute towards any debate on how tax dollars are spent.

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  55. big bruv (13,296 comments) says:

    Bedwetter

    “Just keep your thieving fingers out of my wallet. I have other priorities for the money I have earned.”

    What might those priorities be?, new wheels for your mobility scooter?, air con for your sheltered accommodation?, or a new blow up Sarah Palin doll?

    By the way, any idea when you might be able to name one of your victories in your ten year war against the left?

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  56. Bingo99 (64 comments) says:

    @Judith, burt actually says it all – you’re believing the nonsense from the wined and dined and easily wowsered sports media that anyone gives a crap – but also, NZ is fantastic at a number of things that go on quietly, behind the scenes with a low public profile but worth a tonne. From IT to niche manufacturing to feeding the planet in some niche, albeit massive, categories, to engineering services and agricultural systems and technologies (see Gallagher), we do just fine.

    But you seem to base success on flawed hype, bright lights and forced patriotism, assuming foreign media recognition somehow valudates us. You should go work for NZTE. But if you mean tourist promoting, well (a) the AC doesn’t (at least, when you don’t win it) and (b) tourism is the lowest paid, lowest productivity industry you can find.

    And yes, TNZ choked. There were at least two races where Barker made crucial tactical mistakes. Walk away, New Zealand.

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  57. Longknives (4,461 comments) says:

    Imagine the benefits for the NZ Thoroughbred Racing and Breeding industry if a NZ horse won the Kentucky Derby or the Prix De l’arc??
    *The Kentucky Derby is a way,way bigger event in the States than the America’s Cup ever could be..
    Such a win would have massive benefits for the huge NZ Thoroughbred export industry (and one that employs a truckload of Kiwis..) and subsequently the NZ economy.
    So how about it?? I get 20 or 30 million taxpayer cash and head to the yearling sales looking for that elusive champion?
    After that I will only need another few million to send my prospective Kentucky Derby winners to the right trainers etc
    So how about it NZ taxpayer? Want to fund ‘Team Longknives’ challenge for the Kentucky Derby??

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  58. tvb (4,208 comments) says:

    Dalton should account fe the 5 million he has spent. I bet a good part went on some fairly big salaries.

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  59. CharlieBrown (905 comments) says:

    Steven Joyce and his bloated bureaucracy love to pick winners and losers, doesn’t matter if its good for the country or not. This is just another case of him showing his power with the tax payers purse. Him and John Key are a right socialist pair.

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  60. dirty harry (429 comments) says:

    Well said Ross @11.24

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  61. orewa1 (428 comments) says:

    The disappointing aspect is seeing Team NZ demean themselves by asking taxpayers to stump up. Why not work on lower pay for a period and make it up when things improve? Commonplace in smaller businesses.

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  62. mikenmild (10,743 comments) says:

    Time for the government to weigh up the costs and benefits quite carefully. They’ve already put in $5 million, what are the realistic chances that another $2 million will get TNZ up over the sponsorship line? What will be the wider benefits to New Zealand of a challenge? Realistically, it’s not a huge commitment, but it’s unlikely to be a popular one.

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  63. Longknives (4,461 comments) says:

    “Team NZ demean themselves by asking taxpayers to stump up. Why not work on lower pay for a period and make it up when things improve? ”

    That may adversely interfere with Mandy’s shopping sprees in San Fran…(You have to swan about like Posh Spice with shopping bags if you want to be a ‘WAG” these days..)

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  64. wiseowl (763 comments) says:

    Better to put a subsidy into the film industry.

    Oh.Hang on ,their all rich listers too.

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  65. TM (98 comments) says:

    It’s a load of crap that anyone would see Team NZ and decide to visit NZ. If there is any benefit, it’s to our boat building industry etc. Since they benefit, if they want TNZ to race, they should fork out the dosh.

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  66. Redbaiter (7,628 comments) says:

    “Better to put a subsidy into the film industry.”

    Yep, and then John Key gets to rub shoulders with all those Hollywood progressives he loves so much.

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  67. Paulus (2,502 comments) says:

    “IF” an Americas Cup takes place anybody who participates will use New Zealand boat expertise.
    That is one thing we are tops at doing.

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  68. goldnkiwi (993 comments) says:

    Is this likely to be an election issue? Perhaps all parties should proffer an opinion, Internet/mana should be a yes. Greens well the boats are wind powered lol. I do not think it fair of the team to ask the Government for money in an election year. I agree about paring down salaries between campaigns.

    I like watching it but it is an ego sport.

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  69. backster (2,079 comments) says:

    Well I think the $millions splashed trying to enable one of our important boffins to gain a seat on the United Nations Security Council could have been better spent subsidising an Americas Cup challenge. Just as much would have been gained in terms of world security. The challenge would have exposed us to slightly less ( maybe much less) corrupt activity. The New Zealand ‘Brand’ would have been become more widely appreciated and overseas representatives would have had to pay their own way if they wished to indulge in a fact finding mission.

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  70. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    LN nalis it. We’re like clones on certain issues.

    The All Blacks are playing in Chicago. No-one there knows what the fuck an All Black is. They think it’s a racial thing – hahahaha.

    Imagine if the AFL final came to Eden Park. Care to name some star players ? Or know WTF is going on ?

    The two things NZders count as significant sporting achievements or value highly – yachting and rugby – most Americans couldn’t even spell rugby.

    Judith – the hearts of the world are with us ? Please !! What the hell, woman ? How do you come up with this bumf ?

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  71. TM (98 comments) says:

    Steven Adams has probably done infinitely more to raise the profile of NZ than all the America’s cup campaigns put together. Should we be giving him a $5 million government bonus as well?

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  72. Longknives (4,461 comments) says:

    L,R & C and TM – Exactly! Anyone who has spent any time drinking in those fantastic American sportsbars will tell you they don’t give a fuck for ‘minority sports’. And as much as deluded NZ rugby fans like to kid themselves- rugby is a minority sport around most of the World. Steve Tew can bullshit all he likes about the All Black’s supposedly ‘huge profile’ in the US.. but in reality 99.9% of Americans won’t have heard of the self professed “Greatest Sports Team in the History of the Universe”!
    Guys like Steven Adams and Riki Ellison though…

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  73. mike tan (433 comments) says:

    For reasons stated earlier (largely that the sport amounts to a rich mans pissing contest), we should have retired in a blaze of glory following the NZL 32 victory.

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  74. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Good point mike tan.

    Hope you’ve passed it across Judith’s health and safety audit! :)

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  75. gump (1,488 comments) says:

    The Government needs to walk away.

    I didn’t support them funding the last cup challenge, and I don’t support them funding this one either.

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  76. Peter (1,578 comments) says:

    the hearts of the world are with us

    That has to be the wankiest thing I’ve ever heard in connection to this boat race, and given the immense competition from the types associated with this “sport”, that really takes some doing.

    No tax money. Pay for your own loser boat.

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  77. Longknives (4,461 comments) says:

    “That has to be the wankiest thing I’ve ever heard in connection to this boat race”

    Such bile was spewed out quite regularly during the regatta! (From the same deluded NZ sports media that regularly claim that the All Blacks are the most famous sports team on the planet..)

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  78. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    Those screaming the loudest are lefties and those welfare dependent.
    They have never contributed to Team NZ and never ever will, because the spinoffs from Americas Cup meant nothing to them. They will never benefit because they are not in business and do not work – they just have both hands out for any spare money.

    Corksoakers

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  79. Tauhei Notts (1,608 comments) says:

    The Americas Cup is run by Aucklanders for Aucklanders.
    To tax the citizens of Winton, Waikouaiti, Westport and Waipukurau for the Aucklanders’ plaything is preposterous.
    Any funding should come from Auckland city ratepayers.

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  80. deadrightkev (277 comments) says:

    WO is busy spreading malicious rumours about Grant Dalton flat out so its no wonder the donors are holding off.

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