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tas

Over on WhaleOil, Cam Slater is promising another revelation in the Jami-Lee Ross saga today at 11 that will prove that Simon Bridges is a liar who tried to kill Ross (or something like that).

The taped Bridges-Ross phone call was supposed to prove that Bridges knew about illegal donation splitting.
Ross’ texts with Greg Hamilton were supposed to prove that National’s party secretary was covering it up.
The text Ross received from his MP mistress was supposed to prove that Ross was actually the victim.

Forgive me for being skeptical about Slater’s latest big claim…

I see zero evidence to support Slater’s theory that Ross was set up. And the theory has a big unexplained hole — motive: why on earth would National do this?

If anyone is setting Ross up and ignoring his mental health, it’s his so-called friends like Slater. It’s sad. I feel sorry for Ross, as he is just being used to further their vendetta against National’s leadership. I just want to see the end of this sorry saga. (Apologies for commenting about it.)
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October 25, 2018 8:00am
- secondcumming
  
  Are you sure the big reveal hasn’t got anything to do with today’s……..
  *Face of the day*?
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:05am
  - tas
    
    That would be one hell of a fizzer!
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:12am
    - tas
      
      Is this the fizzer?
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12148439
      
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      October 25, 2018 11:09am
  - lifesgood
    
    I won’t give WO the satisfaction of a click so, who is the face of today?
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:13am
    - tas
      
      Colin Craig.
      
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      October 25, 2018 8:13am
      - lifesgood
        
        Thanks and lol!
        
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        October 25, 2018 8:17am
      - Yvette
        
        Back on July 5, WhaleOil said their defamation case with Craig decision had at that point taken 398 days, so now must be 510 days.
        Surely some sort of judicial record?
        
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        October 25, 2018 8:23am
  - Chris R
    
    That is how I read things too.
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:33am
- BlueGriffon
  
  https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/10/herald-breaks-news-that-simon-bridges-called-me-after-i-already-wrote-about-it-in-the-morning/
  
  I think someone has reached the “explaining is losing” stage.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:18am
  - Happychappy
    
    It will only be a matter of time and blubber will defame someone that will end up in the courts and the begging bowl will be out for his readers to help pay for it.
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:27am
    - cas
      
      I thought he is currently up in court for defamation of a pizza person and his lovely wife was saying he was not supposed to post etc because it might stress him out. All of this stuff can’t be helping.
      
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      October 25, 2018 8:53am
  - tas
    
    What a ridiculous rant. If Slater has the evidence he claims to have, why hasn’t he used it? And, are we really supposed to believe that Bridges is a liar based on (a) what Slater claims Bridges said and (b) Slater’s secret evidence to the contrary.
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:39am
  - mandk
    
    Why would anyone from National have any dealings with Slater under any circumstances?
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:53am
    - waikatogirl
      
      WO cannot be reasoned with, he appears to have his own warped agenda. Simon should not have any contact with him, nor any other NP members.
      
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      October 25, 2018 9:06am
      - Tricati
        
        Totally agree – National has @ 45% of the public on-side and don’t need to associate with arseholes like Slater and his like.
        This toxic group, aided by biased ‘sensationalist’ media, only agenda is to do the National Party harm; and as a long term (45 years) National Party supporter, they piss me off.
        
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        October 25, 2018 10:13am
    - brett68
      
      Bridges decision making leaves a lot to be desired.
      
      No doubt Slater taped what he said and will release that and Bridges will look like an idiot.
      
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      October 25, 2018 9:44am
      - tas
        
        I’m sure Bridges is well aware of that.
        
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        October 25, 2018 10:48am
      - lifesgood
        
        I think you’re the idiot. Bridges would have been extremely careful what he said. He would have been well aware it was being recorded. You never know, with his clever questioning skills he just might have trapped WO.
        
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        October 25, 2018 11:08am
      - brett68
        
        He hasn’t being filling me full of confidence so far.
        
        Too many brain farts for my liking.
        
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        October 25, 2018 11:15am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I won’t honour WO with my clicks.
    
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    October 25, 2018 11:19am
    - Surely Knott
      
      Agree. I’m boycotting WO also.
      
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      October 25, 2018 1:41pm
      - Nermal
        
        “Agree. I’m ~~boycotting~~ banned from WO also”
        
        There, fixed it for you
        
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        October 25, 2018 3:49pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Well, he’s already broken his other rule a hundred times:
    Never go full retard.
    
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    October 25, 2018 1:37pm
    - peterwn
      
      Then there is the 7th rule about not wrestling with pigs in mud and the pig enjoying it. Jami tried to do that and came off second best, although Simon Bridges would not have enjoyed it.
      
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      October 25, 2018 2:40pm
- labrator
  
  New Zealand would be a better place without whaleoil
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:20am
  - lifesgood
    
    So agree. He seems deranged and utterly consumed by hate. A very sad state of affairs. You would think someone would be looking after him as he seems to think everyone else should have looked after his mate.
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:27am
    - Tall Man
      
      “He seems deranged and utterly consumed by hate”
      
      A perfect description of winston if you ask me.
      
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      October 25, 2018 8:54am
  - G152
    
    I disagree.
    Society must have refuges and treatment centers where the mentally disturbed can go for the treatment they require.
    Think of WO as a paddock fenced off from society so the rest of the world can get on with business…
    /cynical mode OFF
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:28am
  - Nermal
    
    Just as well the centre-right believes in freedom of speech. Oh, wait…..
    
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    October 25, 2018 3:42pm
    - tas
      
      Slater is free to speak or, rather, blog. I just don’t agree with his vendetta politics. I try not to read WhaleOil, but I’ve revisited the site because the Jami-Lee Ross saga has briefly made it relevant and I am reminded of why I stopped reading.
      
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      October 25, 2018 8:21pm
  - tas
    
    Slater should move on from politics. It would be better for him.
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:15pm
- Paulus
  
  Interesting to the revelation of the man behind much of this saga (had to be one somewhere) -close friend of Slater as well and called second father of Ross – named as Paul Honnor with whom both Ross and Slater attended his Seventh Day Adventist Church in Manukau.
  He is a multi millionaire who lives in Paratai Drive and has had apparently a very close personal association with both of them.
  They are “looking after” Ross somewhere. Paratai Drive possibly.
  It is understood that all of them have copies of all Ross’s conversations and texts.
  Lusk should not be left out of this also.
  Looks as though Tova O’Brien has been taken in and appears to be absent currently from her usual TV front spot with her pedantic diatribe.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:26am
  - MrTips
    
    One can guess Honnor is not happy at being pinged publicly. But it explains where FO and co get financial support from.
    
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    October 25, 2018 9:28am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And Duncan MIA.
    
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    October 26, 2018 4:58am
- Colville
  
  One thing we know for sure about the WO site is that if its on there, then someone paid for it to be there.
  
  Its basically a late night advertorial channel selling caps and meat? FFS.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:35am
- peterwn
  
  If Jami was so smart he would not have been led by the nose and would have thought for himself. Assuming he had a brain fart and hence leaked that information he would have known he was potentially in trouble and should have damage controlled it (reading Dale Carniegie’s ‘How to Stop Worrying and Start Living’ would have been a good start). He should have ‘fessed up and accepted the probable consequence of a 20 place demotion in the House and re-allocation of spokesperson duties. His big asset is being an electorate MP with a decent majority, so he a list demotion would not have affected his chances. He would then have had two years to redeem himself and show that that the leak was a momentary lack of judgment. If Simon Lusk is all he is cracked up to be as a candidate adviser, that is the advice Simon should have given him. Instead he chose to tough it out, then chose to lash out at Simon Bridges and National when he realised the game was probably up (seems PWC could not come up with complete proof, but Jami was not to know this at the time – if you are interrogated by the police you are at a disadvantage since you do not know what the Police may know).
  Therefore I do not feel sorry for Jami. He should have had the human interactive skille and political skills and instinct to have sorted this out. In particular he should have thought for himself and not be led by the nose by those with ‘other’ agendas.
  He is in a similar situation to this woman who lost her house because she was advised by a ‘mentor’ she did not need to pay her rates. I felt a bit sorry for her, but not Jami. He should have known better.
  Interesting Winston Peters commented he received similar treatment from National. They were both well placed in the National Party and showed promise, with Winston being thought to be a future leader. But both got impatient and were not prepared to work within the Party framework. A bit of tolerance and patience on Winston’s part could have seen him as a legitimate Prime Minister, then knighthood, etc and a place in NZ history. Similar with Jami – he would at the very least been placed 4th or better in Cabinet with important portfolios or even in the top job.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:53am
  - Happychappy
    
    Peterwn I would say if MP’s haven’t learn’t by now that blubber is toxic and their is no place for any of them if they want to feed him information then they shouldn’t be in the National Party. From before 2014 blubber has caused so much damage to himself through Dirty Politics and now this that it not hard to see that some members will leave National through the media’s continually pushing his association with National.
    
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    October 25, 2018 10:16am
    - tas
      
      The biggest mark against Judith Collins’ name is the fact that she has not publicly spurned Slater.
      
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      October 25, 2018 11:00am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Wouldn’t just totally ignoring him be much safer?
        
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        October 25, 2018 11:28am
- Harkman
  
  Somebody explain this to me, we all know Slater voted for Winston but has Whaleblubber gone the full anti National now?
  
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  October 25, 2018 9:12am
  - tas
    
    WhaleOil isn’t anti-National, he’s anti-everyone-in-National-except-Collins.
    
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    October 25, 2018 9:15am
    - Harkman
      
      Surely he realises that weakening National just makes it harder for the person he wants to be leader to actually win an election. These sorts of allegations do long term brand damage. If National made Collins leader tomorrow we all know the CoL are going to hammer Collins day in day out about Oravida and “Dirty Politics” nonsense. And when they aren’t doing it their puppets in the media will be doing it. So Collins will have all that and the JLR fiasco to deal with. Slater is a disloyal moron.
      
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      October 25, 2018 9:25am
    - MrTips
      
      WO is anti-everyone and proWO – period.
      
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      October 25, 2018 9:28am
  - peterwn
    
    No, just full anti Simon Bridges. However Cam’s and Simon Lusk’s ultimate objective is to have full control of the National Party from behind the scenes.
    
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    October 25, 2018 9:18am
    - Disillusioned_Voter
      
      Well, dreams are free…
      
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      October 25, 2018 11:55am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Full on anti- Simon Bridges
      Full on anti- Bill English
      Full on anti- John Key
      
      (He was full on pro – John Key until Key turned the information tap off.)
      
      Slater’s politics aren’t about politics, they’re about Slater.
      
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      October 25, 2018 1:43pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    No, we don’t know that Slater voted for Winston.
    We do know that he went all out to get his followers to vote for Winston.
    
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    October 26, 2018 12:32am
- MrsAnnie
  
  What was the motive in all of this? – Hager is not to be trusted but makes some interesting points- who had the most to gain?
  
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/unsponsored/25-10-2018/dirty-politics-2018-nicky-hager-assesses-the-jami-lee-ross-saga/?fbclid=IwAR2fX6FsEcUUD2tCofQAru-Vxd17pk4Q2o3qoPnR_dq5KOPgE6HW1O2_-XA#.W9C6a0wT7W4.facebook
  
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  October 25, 2018 10:20am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Hager releasing anonymous private texts from the anonymous hacker Rawshark, while claiming he is a journalist and the other side get their information from dirty sources. Irony much. Pot meet Kettle.. Just more garbage from Hager and Spinoff. Hager and Rawshark are the dirty politics of the left.
    
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    October 25, 2018 11:12am
  - tas
    
    That was a painfully self-righteous article to read. Hager is trying to tie Collins to this mess on the grounds that she might benefit. However, I don’t see this as beneficial to anyone in National.
    
    I don’t know if Collins has any involvement in this. I am inclined to believe that she has nothing to do with it until I see evidence to the contrary.
    
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    October 25, 2018 11:23am
- MaidenNZ
  
  Given the Toogood verdict is due out today at 11am, I’d say this was all about the Colin Craig case, not Rossy.
  
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  October 25, 2018 10:31am
srylands

The Government has a announced that the planned expressway from Otaki to North of Levin will not proceed. Instead, it will construct a new two lane road.

This is shortsighted. Along the same lines as the 1977 decision to build one Terrace tunnel instead of two as planned.

The article is also another example of poor journalsim. When I saw the headline referring to the road getting the “green light” I assumed that the expressway as originally planned was to proceed. In fact when I read the article and it referred to a “two lane” road I thought it was an error. But no.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/108083156/taki-to-north-of-levin-highway-gets-green-light-following-government-review

And RNZ reports that the “expressway” has been “given the all clear”.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/369385/otaki-expressway-gets-the-all-clear

I hope that Nathan Guy as the local member gets stuck in on this. I also hope that National pledges to build the road as planned if it wins the 2020 election.
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October 25, 2018 8:00am
- Im Right
  
  Srylands, a 2 lane will NOT help with congestion that is the Otaki chokepoint. I see they are also saying we will build a 2 lane extension but could add an extra 2 lanes at a later date if needed, well what a waste of bloody tax payer money as the extra 2 lanes WILL be needed very soon after it’s completed and will cost the same to add the 2 extra lanes as the original 2 lane one proposed. If these MP’s that voted for this had ever ran a business or any experience of working outside government they would see it’s a terrible decision to just have 2 lanes…sheesh, what a bad decision!
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:10am
  - srylands
    
    Yes. An anecdote. In 1928 when plans for the Sydney Harbour Bridge were released, it was for 8 lanes of traffic, two rail lines and two footpaths. Many politicians at the time tried to have it downgraded as the Depression hit a year into construction. After all the capacity was way in excess of what was needed right through to the 1960s..
    
    Anyway the NSW Premier won the argument. If only we had more leaders with that foresight.
    
    If this road is built with two lanes that will be it for the next 50 years.
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:17am
    - VicParking
      
      I’m supprised its not two lanes for traffic and four lane for cyclists
      
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      October 25, 2018 8:28am
    - thetiedarch
      
      Auckland Harbour Bridge was origonally intended to have 4/5 lanes, 2 footpaths and 2 rail lines.
      
      Hesitance to fund the full cost resulted in a 4 lane bridge… Typical short-sighted NZ.
      
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      October 25, 2018 10:32am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        I think this is an old wives’ tale.
        What kind of train could climb that gradient?
        Or was it going to be a drawbridge to let boats through to Chelsea and the upper Harbour?
        
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        October 25, 2018 11:48am
      - Ed Snack
        
        It wasn’t just the Bridge that was going to cost a lot more in 8 lanes, but the entire approach infrastructure. I don’t think there were very many km’s of road anywhere in NZ with more than 2 lanes in both directions at the time, in fact possibly none.
        
        But it was short sighted and the bridge and the approaches had to be scaled up pretty quickly.
        
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        October 25, 2018 2:05pm
  - labrator
    
    Otaki bypass already under construction. They’re not going ahead with the piece between Otaki & Levin. I’m ok with that. Levin will be the first traffic lights after the Terrace tunnel going north & at least has side roads.
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:34am
    - andydownhere
      
      They are going ahead with Otaki to Levin. Can’t you read? But as a 2 lane road. Ridiculous. The slowest vehicle controls the speed of the whole road
      
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      October 25, 2018 8:25pm
  - Harkman
    
    Labour has a long history of short sighted, cheap infrastructure. The Nash Government sold all of NZs gold reserves to build the incompetently small Auckland Harbour bridge. Several billions worth for something now worth nothing. The last Clark Government spent like half a billion on Chch Women’s hospital and it was instantly too small and poorly laid out.
    
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    October 25, 2018 9:33am
  - oldpark
    
    Same Lie-bour bastards if it were not for John Key from National Government.Transmission Gully would not have been built. In fact when it was muted the USA import called Genter from the far left Lunatic Green Party tried to have it blocked. Makes one wonder why such a waste of space bunch of Green Party Clowns enjoy 7% in the latest polls. Even ahead of Meglamaniac Peters and his gang,who have obviously vetoed the real type of Motorway from Otaki to Levin.
    
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    October 25, 2018 9:41am
    - lifesgood
      
      Voted for by the nutty “save the whales but to hell with the humans” lobby, Greenyism is the new religion. It makes young people feel good and virtuous about something because they do stuff all that is really good and virtuous.
      
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      October 25, 2018 10:08am
- hullkiwi
  
  It is the same sort of short sighted decision that will see SH1 from Warkworth to the top of the Brenderwyns as the most dangerous stretch in the country. Dogma & looking after the Auckland votes rather than meeting the transport/communication needs of the rest of the country.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:18am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Bro – National ain’t winning anything until at least 2026. By then the road would have been built in full glory and opened by Tooth Fairy.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:28am
  - Tall Man
    
    And then you woke up and realised you had been sleeping like a baby, in shit stained nappies…
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:58am
- KevOB
  
  Bicycles only from 2020.
  Had one recently whiz pass us in a car at 50+.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:35am
- Colville
  
  Labour doesnt get any votes outside of Wellington and Auckland so why would they care about Levin?
  
  Having just done a month behind the wheel in Italy, over there a 2nd class highway, strada statale (sp?) is a 2 lane each way road with a concrete divider and no power poles on the edges. Not always that flat but still its 140 km/hr.
  That is the minimum we should be aiming for from Kaitaia to Bluff.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:44am
- Muttonbird
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Got a holiday house up that way, srylands?
  
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  October 25, 2018 9:00am
  - Harkman
    
    Do I sense a jealousy tone in your reply?
    
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    October 25, 2018 9:35am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I am told that there have been 19 road deaths (1/3rd of Auckland total) on SH1 between Puhoi and Wellsford in the last year. That is 35km of road (.04% of NZ road network) responsible for about 5% of all NZ road deaths.
  
  There is an 18km motorway extension Puhoi to Warkworth to be completed in 2021. But the govt has just cancelled plans to extend the motorway to Wellsford (about $1billion) so they can spend up on cycleways and trams etc. #Murderousgreenfuckwits.
  
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  October 25, 2018 9:35am
  - Muttonbird
    
    The entire country is suffering from the legacy of infrastructure deficit left by the John Key government.
    
    Those tax cuts you got in 2009 are responsible for those statistics.
    
    Hope you sleep well at night…
    
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    October 25, 2018 11:00am
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      “Hope you sleep well at night”.
      What a dumb thing to say because on that basis nobody in NZ should be getting any sleep because everyone is on the take.
      Beneficiaries
      Superannuitants
      People with young children
      Students
      Etc Etc
      If you really feel so bad about everything feel free to voluntarily pay more tax or decline whatever perks you are getting from the government, otherwise your concern smacks more of jealousy than anything else.
      
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      October 25, 2018 11:16am
    - labrator
      
      Those tax cuts you got in 2009 are responsible for those statistics
      
      Those tax cuts were responsible for the rock star economy that drags thousands out of poverty and made us the envy of the world. I sleep great at night, thanks for caring!
      
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      October 25, 2018 11:42am
    - Harkman
      
      Infrastructure deficit? National rebuilt our second largest city??? Kaikoura??? Tunnels under Auckland??? UFB???
      
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      October 25, 2018 12:40pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        And electric trains in Auckland, plus they gave in to Brown and provided early funding to CRL (a monumental waste of money). CRL is already forecast to be over $6bn and they have yet to let the contract for the tunneling machine and the additional rail cars for when the tunnel opens.
        
        Oh to be able to waste money in such a fashion without being held accountable.
        
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        October 25, 2018 2:03pm
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Muttonbird: Which was the party that coined the expression “Holiday Highway” for that stretch of road? Oh that’s right….
      
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      October 25, 2018 3:44pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Yeh, and I see so many holiday makers going past me while I wait at the Puhoi /SH1 intersection at 7.00am each Mon to Friday!
        
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        October 25, 2018 6:20pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  If the govt. actually has this “Surplus”, surely this project, already started, is pocket change.
  
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  October 25, 2018 10:47am
- Liberty
  
  Meanwhile Col is pumping millions into a hole at Pyke river.
  Auckland trams, Pacific Islands and Winstons pretty horses.
  
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  October 25, 2018 11:27am
Im Right

Well…well, letter bombs containing ‘suspicious white powder’ sent to prominent Democrats, ex-President Obama and Soro’s, Just 2 weeks out from a hotly contested mid-term election that both sides are predicting a Red wave/Blue wave of support and if is a blue wave it would see the Democrats retake the house.

Perhaps I’m being overly sceptical, but if the person(s) who sent these letter bombs are far right extremists and hate the Democrats and the left in general…why would they do this so close to the mid-terms and in doing so have boosted the Democrats chances greatly and at the same time as bolster the lefts rhetoric of ‘the right is out to get us and destroy democracy’.

It very well maybe some disgruntled far right splinter group (that obviously have no idea of how politics work)
It very well maybe some outside the USA group looking to disrupt American politics (Russia, China, Iran….too obvious and not in their immediate interest)
It very well maybe a left/Democratic ploy by some antifa group to swing mid-terms to sway Democratic sympathies their way (getting them to send one to Soro’s was a nice touch, I’m sure he was perfectly safe)

Either way I’m sure whomever perpetrated this campaign will have a suitable scapegoat already tied to the stake, but I guarantee the investigation (and headlines) will drag on past the mid-term elections that will boost Democrats and not Republicans. And, as usual, Trump will be blamed because of his rhetoric he ‘made’ the perpetrators do this! CNN and Hillary Clinton/Obama will make this into a rally cry for Democrats to vote in 2 weeks to get rid of right wing terrorist groups in USA. Even although no-one will have been arrested/identified by the mid-terms but it will fit their narrative….coincidence???

Something about the timing and Democrats fearing not winning enough seats at the mid-terms to retake the house smells very fishy to me….perhaps I’m reading too much into it as I have a basic distrust of how low the left in America will go.
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October 25, 2018 8:00am
- fernglas
  
  I think it’s the Saudis. Divert the world’s attention from the current sorry affair, and do it so incompetently that no-one will believe a sovereign state could ………, oh, hang on, already done that.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:03am
  - holysheet
    
    Who cares who it is. At least they are targeting the right people for a change.
    Oh dear, that’s such a shame…………………not.
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:08am
    - Inandout
      
      And Trump is not going to lay off a million US workers to ‘punish’ the Saudis by cutting off the arms trade. Russia and France will soon fill the gap.
      
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      October 25, 2018 8:23am
    - SGA
      
      Actually, I think it is a shame when groups or individuals on the left or right start acting this way in a Western democracy. But, hey, maybe I’m unusual in that regard.
      
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      October 25, 2018 8:25am
    - Paulus
      
      But Ardern had a baby – surely more important.
      And she is a Liar.
      
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      October 25, 2018 8:32am
- tas
  
  People are stupid. I’m inclined to believe the obvious explanation that the culprit someone on the right who genuinely hates those people.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:04am
  - Simon
    
    Yep false flag is wishful thinking. It will most likely be someone on the right. Just like the Bernie Bro who shot up GOP base ball practice some fringe nutter.
    
    Good news is apparently in these cases arrests are usually made.
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:09am
  - gump
    
    I find Occam’s razor useful in cases like this.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:26am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Yes the obvious answer to all political questions in NZ….
      Jacinda Ardern LIED
      
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      October 25, 2018 10:49am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Too obvious, and there’s the “qui bono” argument, the only possible benefit from fake bombs being sent is the Democrats. If they were real bombs I’d be more skeptical of the false flag explanation; but fakes ? Why would a rightist nutter send fakes rather than real if badly constructed and unlikely to explode items ?
    
    That would be like the Bernie Bro shooting up the GOP softball game with blanks.
    
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    October 25, 2018 10:26am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Your logic works here
      Especially as:
      1. The Mid term elections are in a couple of weeks
      2. All Dems are sliding in the polls leading up to the mid terms.
      
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      October 25, 2018 10:50am
- VicParking
  
  And the world is flat and Adren does not lie.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:09am
- Fletch
  
  I reckon it’s liberals. I doubt very much whether conservatives are sending bombs in the mail. Not their style. Reeks more of a liberal Antifa, or Weathermen type group. And the Dems are sliding in the polls, especially after their bad behavior in the Kavanaugh confirmation. And the migrant caravan is getting sympathy for Trump’s immigration policies. The Dems have nothing to run on – no policies, no new leaders to take them forward (Obama, Hillary, Biden, Pelosi etc are still stumping for them and the new young wannabes like alexandria ocasio-cortez are stupid Socialists whose ideas don’t make sense). So they need something to get them sympathy. Ginning up a bomb scare sounds right up their alley.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:15am
  - All_on_Red
    
    According to an ex Bomb Disposal Officer they were ‘hoax’ bombs.
    He says the way the Pipe Bombs looked made it clear (to experts) they were fake, ie, the construction was not how a Pipe Bomb would be made
    Hoax Devices” are apparently more common than real ones. In which case, we should ask what the motives of the “bomber” are and “who benefits?”
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:49am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red , sources, please?
      
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      October 25, 2018 9:57am
      - holysheet
        
        Wanker, heinz or watties?
        
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        October 25, 2018 12:04pm
- Huevon
  
  Sadly, it is not unreasonable to believe that the Clintons have set this up.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:19am
  - Paulus
    
    Heevon
    Possible, providing somebody else pays for it.
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:34am
  - stephieboy
    
    Huevon, yes it is unreasonable to believe that they’ve set this up,
    
    Next question?
    
    DUH !
    
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    October 25, 2018 9:59am
  - VicParking
    
    Mrs Parkinson and Mr Affair.
    
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    October 25, 2018 11:03am
- hullkiwi
  
  I heard it on the radio this morning and had the same thoughts. Why would anyone on the right, do something this, and enhance the chances of the Democrats at this time?
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:21am
  - SGA
    
    Because nutters come in all sorts of political and religious colours.
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:27am
    - stephieboy
      
      SGA, especially those of the Alt-right kind!
      
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      October 25, 2018 10:00am
  - Inandout
    
    The Left failed on Mueller, Kavanaugh and bringing down Trump by any means. Well as a last attempt to sway voters how about a mild bomb threat, and make sure their leader Soros gets told to open his in the full public glare? No heroes of the Left have been hurt, but of course not, that was not the plan.
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:50am
- Paulus
  
  Or perhaps some nutter in the Democratic Party is trying to frame the elected President’s Party in the November elections, by the perception that they are behind it.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:31am
- EAD_TWO
  
  It’s most likely a false flag. Two weeks out from midterms, the Republicans are energized, Democrats have no clear message, and for some reason left wing politicians are attacked.
  
  Makes sense.
  
  It’s a bit like how Jews “attack” and send out threats against themselves to show how “persecuted” they are:
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/360671/us-israeli-teenager-michael-kadar-convicted-of-threats-to-jews
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:36am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD TWO , so you support Trump’s inclusion of BillionaireJews in his cabinet after all?
    
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    October 25, 2018 10:02am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    FFS, EADolf, can’t you just let the antisemitism go for one post?
    
    On second thoughts, don’t: let everyone here know just how vile you are!
    
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    October 25, 2018 11:39am
- KevOB
  
  Never trust the Left. Bomb mayhem is quite likely to be by their activists trying to help the Party.
  Nothing new.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:37am
- tf78
  
  I smell a Demo rat here.
  
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  October 25, 2018 9:24am
- Harkman
  
  Didn’t Trump get sent one the other day? Didn’t Lara Trump get sent one last year?
  
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  October 25, 2018 9:39am
- igm
  
  If it had been perpetrated by the right, at least one of the bloody things would have gone off . . . typical of gutless mealy mouthed lefties trying to gain sympathy votes for forthcoming hammering.
  The type of thing Little, Twyford, Adern would pull if the going gets tough.
  
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  October 25, 2018 10:14am
  - sooty
    
    Don’t need to, just whip out the squrriel!
    
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    October 25, 2018 1:19pm
- Ed Snack
  
  I thought these were supposed to be explosives that were sent. At least some (and probably all) are hoax pipe bomb like devices that contain no actual explosive material.
  
  There are a lot of little mysteries about the deliveries such as the fact that they appear to be courier delivered (or at least that was the initial claim) byut they don’t appear to have been processed by a courier company. That is the stamps aren’t marked as they would be in a normal delivery.
  
  There’s a suspicion, and in some quarters a very strong feeling, that these are a deliberate PR stunt by some faction in the Democrats to raise sympathy and to give a counterweight to the almost exclusively leftist origination of violence at this election cycle.
  
  I can see the thinking behind this and agree that there’s a lot of suspicious “facts” in these deliveries. But there’s a lot of surveillance of deliveries and any genuine courier packages will have been pre-screened and will have sender details recorded. So it’s a wait and see, but that hasn’t stopped the MSM from accusing Trump and the GOP of complicity.
  
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  October 25, 2018 10:21am
  - stephieboy
    
    “but that hasn’t stopped the MSM from accusing Trump and the GOP of complicity.”
    
    Examples?
    
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    October 25, 2018 11:46am
- Jules99
  
  Scott Adams had a good tweet:
  
  “My first thought was that the bombs came from a Republican. Then I learned the bombs don’t work.”
  
  https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1055191784618307584
  
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  October 25, 2018 10:34am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    ‘Crudely made but functional’ was on Red Radio this morning.
    
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    October 25, 2018 11:41am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Unless there’s been a further update, all of the “devices” were intercepted prior to final delivery; and my understanding (though there’s no apparent full official notification) is that these are hoax devices, that is not bombs but intended to look like they are.
      
      They may contain something that could be explosive but have no functional trigger. They also appear to be “obvious”, that is designed to be easily detected, but that may just be because that’s the material the makers had to hand.
      
      I certainly hope they find who sent these, and why. If it is a “Right Wing Nutter” that will at least break the solid lock-in that the left have on political violence so far this election season.
      
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      October 25, 2018 2:18pm
- Komata
  
  Im right
  
  And the ‘purely coincidental’ arrival of an invasion force on the border is also ‘convenient’ is it not….?
  
  Have you also noticed how smoothly the MSM narative suddenly changed to the bombs…?
  
  The left will go as low as they can to get rid of one man. They have no policies per se’, their only one being to ‘Get rid of Trump’ by all and any means possible.
  
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  October 25, 2018 12:37pm
- Paulus
  
  If the Republicans had been behind it, as we are supposed to believe, they would have had a far better chance of succeeding in it, rather than the amateur jobs so far seen.
  
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  October 25, 2018 1:19pm
dave_c_

I just about fell off my chair in hysterics this morning, when reading about TVNZ’s plans to start imposing ‘charges’ for their on-line content.
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October 25, 2018 8:04am
- srylands
  
  Yeah good luck with that. National should have sold it along with 100 percent of the power companies. Remember the bloody grief they faced over the partial sales? They should have just filled their boots. It couldn’t have been worse.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:08am
- Inandout
  
  Who the hell would pay to be brainwashed by the socialists?
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:52am
  - Komata
    
    inandout
    
    Mr and Ms New Zealand apparently; at least they are at the moment…
    
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    October 25, 2018 12:45pm
holysheet

Being such a busy PM, Cindy hires a maid with beautiful blonde hair. The first morning, the girl pulls off the hair and says, “I wear a wig, because I was born totally hairless. Not a hair on my body, not even down there.”

That night, Cindy tells Jethro. He says, “I’ve never seen anything like that. Please tomorrow, ask her to go into the bedroom and show you. I want to hide in the closet so I can have a look.”

The next day, Cindy asks the girl, the two of them go into the bedroom, and the girl strips and shows her. Then the girl says, “I’ve never seen one with hair on it. Can I see yours?”

So Cindy pulls off her clothes and shows her. That night, Cindy says to Jethro “I hope you’re satisfied, because I was pretty embarrassed when that girl asked to see mine.”

Jethro says, “You think you were embarrassed…
I had the four guys I go fishing with, in the closet with me.”
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October 25, 2018 8:04am
- Inandout
  
  Gee holy, just realised ‘Jethro’ meant the following:
  
  ‘A person that exemplifies awesomeness. A man with an angellic face and the body of a god. Just saying the name will cause all womens panties to drop withing a 60 mile radius’.
  
  Just women?
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:58am
- rightoverlabour
  
  9 humourless, lefty, drab arseholes….
  
  I suppose if we changed the main characters to John Key and his wife, there would be no downticks. Humourless cunts.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:22pm
Sofia

TVNZ may charge Kiwis for online TV next year.
An emboldened TVNZ is set to place a few interesting bets in 2019.

What happened to the need Labour saw for a new television channel, Radio New Zealand Plus (RNZ+) or did it die with Clare Curran’s demotion – and if it was that flimsy, what other Labour policies should be killed off along with it?
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October 25, 2018 8:04am
- lifesgood
  
  All of them.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:15am
  - sooty
    
    They can’t give the shit away on tv and now they think people are going to line up to buy it on the internet! I’ve a bribdge to sell.
    
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    October 25, 2018 1:15pm
artemisia

Even if people can afford to buy Kiwibuild places, will they want to remain there? In the House yesterday:

Hon Judith Collins: How will the eligibility criteria that requires KiwiBuild buyers to own the home for at least three years be applied in the situation where a homeowner wants to sell due to any antisocial behaviour from Housing New Zealand neighbours?

Hon JENNY SALESA: That is a question that we haven’t had to deal with yet.

So no answer, and yet with hundreds and hundreds of social housing units in high density developments like Unitec there is nothing surer than that there will be problems. If the pool of buyers of new and older places reduces, Housing New Zealand may need to step in and buy unsold Kiwibuild units. Downward spiral right there.

There goes the neighbourhood.
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October 25, 2018 8:06am
- KevOB
  
  They had models in Porirua and Taita. State Housing ghettos are a proven social disaster. Ideologues don’t acknowledge history it would cramp their style.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:43am
- Classic Liberal
  
  ‘That is a question that we haven’t had to deal with yet. ‘
  
  OK, so that’s a good, caring politician’s way of thinking ahead and planning for likely eventualities? Wait ’til the shit hits the fan?
  
  In the CoL it would seem so.
  
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  October 25, 2018 11:44am
  - Komata
    
    Classic Liberal
    
    Re: ‘Wait ’til the shit hits the fan?’
    
    By which time the CoL will no longer be in power and it becomes, by default, the Nat’s problem. This means that the CoL can deny all and any responsibility.
    
    An example of clever long term planning perhaps?
    
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    October 25, 2018 12:48pm
dave_c_

Another blatant attempt by ‘Breakfast’ this morning to distract everyones attention from the real news, by flooding viewers with comments and questions about winning the big lottery in the US (USD1.6 billion) – It’s incessant. Arseholes
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October 25, 2018 8:07am
- Inandout
  
  Try AM Show.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:59am
  - Lance
    
    Sadly.. only marginally better the the TV1 puke inducing show and even then only because of Mark Richardson is there to offset the far left bullshit uttered by all other mouth pieces there.
    
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    October 25, 2018 11:26am
RalphT

From today’s Herald “A young girl killed when she was struck by a train travelling through Ngāruawāhia earlier this year could have survived if the locomotive was going slightly slower, a coroner says.”
The article goes on to suggest other ways of avoiding the tragedy, such as barrier arms but it is only towards the end that someone has the courage to state the obvious: if you play on the tracks and get in the way of a train going about its lawful business you have only yourself to blame if you can’t get out of the way in time.
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October 25, 2018 8:13am
- cmm
  
  She would also have been fine if the train was made out of marshmallows.
  
  Is it just me or do these coroners seem increasingly like numpties?
  
  They come to these hand-wringing conclusions and suggest all sorts of nanny state actions but are oblivious of things like physics and engineering.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:19am
  - tas
    
    Um. I’m not clear on this. Did the coroner actually recommend slower trains or just consider it? The coroner should consider all potential responses, even ones that are not reasonable.
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:50am
    - GoVege
      
      Jeez…listen to you hard-hearted Hannahs!
      Would it really be THAT unreasonable to get trains to slow down whilst going through populated areas like towns?
      Or do little kids who do silly things like play on the train tracks deserve to die??
      
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      October 25, 2018 1:00pm
      - GoVege
        
        Perhaps if the train had been speeding through Remuera instead of Ngarawahia you might have been a tad more sympathetic to the dead kid and their family?
        
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        October 25, 2018 1:05pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Don’t be foolish; everyone regrets the death of a child anywhere. That said the parents and the children bear some responsibility – trains are hardly an unknown hazard, and at any speed over about 2 kph at some stage someone will be killed or injured by one somewhere.
        
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        October 25, 2018 5:07pm
    - sooty
      
      She should have jumped in the water.
      
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      October 25, 2018 1:10pm
  - john1234
    
    Incredible.
    If a pedestrian is run over on a motorway, will this muppet coroner suggest the motorway speed limit be reduced?
    
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    October 25, 2018 9:00am
    - srylands
      
      Yes
      
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      October 25, 2018 9:15am
    - GoVege
      
      Motorways are an obvious hazard beczuse they tend to have LOTS of vehicles travelling on them, whereas railway lines are empty most of the time.
      THAT’S the difference.
      
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      October 25, 2018 1:03pm
- Biscuit
  
  The number of tries I would have scored in my Rugby career if only the defenders had been going slightly slower…
  
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  October 25, 2018 9:37am
  - pdm
    
    I thought you were a `kick it wiff your head’ man Biscuit.
    
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    October 25, 2018 10:14am
    - Biscuit
      
      pdm, I arrived, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed from Liverpool (great win this a.m., no?) and went out onto the playing grounds at my first morning break.
      
      Four goalposts confronted me … all with uprights extending w-a-y- above the norm.
      
      No ‘football’ in those days – hell, even The Dominion only ran the basic UK scores each Monday.
      
      So I played Rugby…
      
      The very first ‘real football’ game I played in, a couple of years later, I was chided by the schoolteacher ref for scoring a perfectly good goal simply by kicking the ball away from and around the goalkeeper when he put a pass back to him on the ground in front of him. Said keeper and said schoolteacher both thought, wrongly, that that ‘entitled’ said keeper to a free kick, ha.
      
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      October 25, 2018 11:01am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Like how much slower, 0km/h? I suppose the coroner is an expert on physics, momentum and elasticity… uh not
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:25pm
Odakyu-sen

In New Zealand and in Japan we are fortunate to be on islands.
What should Trump do to ensure the integrity of the US border against this so-called “immigration caravan”?

A nation without borders is not a nation.

If nations are bulkheads, then the good ship “Global” would quickly sink if she struck a reef because the water would flood through her without containment.
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October 25, 2018 8:23am
secondcumming

Asking for a friend……..

By previously legalising ‘Same-Sex Marriage’, and now proposing to do the same with ‘Marijuana’, does this mean that *Labour* will have correctly interpreted the Bible?

LEVITICUS 20:13 “If a man lies with another man he should be stoned”
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October 25, 2018 8:23am
- gump
  
  Same-sex marriage was legalised in 2013 by a National Government.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:30am
  - secondcumming
    
    Cheers gump……was going to say ‘homosexual acts’ but didn’t want to offend anybody.
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:41am
- Biscuit
  
  secondcumming, I’m always amused by the quaint terms used for coitus – ‘lying with’, ‘sleeping with’, ha.
  
  I remember my late Nan, just after I went flatting, asking if I was ‘seeing’ anyone.
  
  ‘Oh yes, Nan. Quite a bit of her, too!’
  
  And another time:
  
  ‘Nah, we’re not sleeping together. But you should see what we do when we’re awake!’
  
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  October 25, 2018 9:53am
oldpark

When all the attacks on President Trumps administration by fake Clinton Russian Dossier ,as well as 25 corrupt FBI agents getting fired or leaving because of fake allegations once more against President Trump. Also the white powder sent to the Trump Children . The massive death threats against Justice Kavanaugh wife and family. The directive by Democrat Politicians to kick and assault any Republican Politicians ,etc etc.All ignored by mad dog far left Media. In USA and in NZ.
Then all of a sudden some news about Democrats being sent some so called explosive devices and the whole world media is into wall to wall coverage.The truth be known ,Democrats probably are behind it. Just even one case in point. Fake news CNN where more people watch Cartoon Network certainly needed the publicity.
As for out of order and control publicity and Media bias not reporting any positive news for President Trump ,and every day negitave news .
As soon as any thing happens to the Corrupt Democrats manufactured or otherwise. Take a look at our sicko biased one trick pony so called Mainstream Media.,and their hurty feeling regarding the Corrupt Democrats. It seems to be different for NZs media reports when the anti President Trump mobs appear to be under their own manufactured pump,and they get coverage like brother in arms.Certainly is different when they do it.
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October 25, 2018 8:26am
- Harkman
  
  CNN is terrible, an absolute disgrace. The amount of Republicans attacked, even shot is a unbelievable yet CNN just ignores it. Some crazy with his head filled by CNN and MSNBC nearly killed Rand Paul as he was weeding his garden.
  
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  October 25, 2018 9:43am
  - stephieboy
    
    Harkman,
    
    “..even shot is a unbelievable yet CNN just ignores it” ??
    
    Examples? Abe Lincoln,
    William McKinley?,
    
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    October 25, 2018 9:51am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      & James Garfield
      
      3 Republican presidents assassinated
      1 Democrat President – Kennedy
      
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      October 25, 2018 10:01am
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, how odd! Your point?
        
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        October 25, 2018 10:04am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        My point must be obvious…
        
        you posted the name of 2 assassinated Republican Presidents in relation to Harkman’s statement the amount of Republicans attacked
        
        I completed the sequence (as you had so many question marks… indicating what??????)
        
        4 USA Presidents have been assassinated:
        3 Republicans and 1 Democrat.
        
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        October 25, 2018 10:24am
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, no it’s not so obvious . The assassinations occurred for rather more complex reasons and not purely politically ideologically motivated!
        
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        October 25, 2018 11:50am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        no it’s not so obvious
        
        Well then, why don’t you explain to all of us why you submitted the names of 2 assassinated Republican US Presidents.
        
        Perhaps we can then all get an insight into your reasoning.
        
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        October 25, 2018 12:24pm
      - cmm
        
        Yup stephie you are right.
        
        Two of the republicans were assassinated for having bad hairstyles.
        
        That leaves 1 rep vs 1 dem. Clearly nothing political.
        
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        October 25, 2018 1:28pm
    - Jules99
      
      Steve Scalise, 2017
      
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      October 25, 2018 10:30am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      CNN and MSNBC reported the deaths of Abraham Lincoln and William McKinley?
      
      We can always count on the resident galah to sqwark out something stupid and irrelevant.
      Birdseed everywhere again today.
      
      SIGH
      
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      October 26, 2018 12:44am
Niz

Is JAG back from maternity leave yet? God, I hope she stays away from parliament as long as possible. Her whole ‘were going to get equal numbers of women everywhere (except ‘tradionally’ female dominated jobs like nursing and teaching)’ policy is insanity.
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October 25, 2018 8:26am
- VicParking
  
  I notice the MSM are not fawning over her baby. There can only be one No. 1 Child in NZ.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:40am
- geoff3012
  
  Hope she is back soon to implement her ZERO road fatalities. Lets do this.
  
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  October 25, 2018 9:11am
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    She will ban roads.
    
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    October 25, 2018 10:14am
  - cmm
    
    Achieved.
    
    No road died in NZ in the last year, even though many were somewhat trimmed by bike lanes.
    
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    October 25, 2018 1:29pm
Yvette

As the Government claims there is a planned transition away from an economy based on fossil fuels that largely contribute to climate change, what does the Government see as being the percentage of electric power production being used by electric powered vehicles as they encourage the public to use them in place of petrol powered vehicles?

What power usage will electric cars require, considering Genesis’s proposal to import coal for extra power generation needs at Huntly?

Or is there really no actual plan in the “planned” transition?

No more planning, I would think, than the thought and consultation that went into Ardern’s statement –
“I can give this guarantee to this House and to consumers: there will be no other regional fuel taxes while I’m Prime Minister – which at the moment feels like it might be for a while”
– so no specific fuel tax related to an exactly defined period.
Deja vu, Mr Robertson.
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October 25, 2018 8:27am
- VicParking
  
  No sweat. Cindy will make a Captains call during Question time and all will be resolved. “Not as long as I’m Prime Minister”
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:43am
- The Heat
  
  The left has spent years pushing the climate change agenda, but now they are in power, they have a significant problem – a problem that could destroy them.
  
  The reality of climate change policy is that it must impose high costs on everyone. The rich won’t care, the middle class will be outraged, whilst the poor will be hammered.
  
  There is no way around it. Climate change action is very expensive and there are no material gains – and, in the case of NZ, no change in temperature at all – only increased, enduring hardship.
  
  Ohhhh…..Cindy ‘aint going to get many likes once the middle class and poor realise what “saving the planet” really means. A massive underclass stretching deep into what was previously the middle classes.
  
  Wotcha gunna do, Cindy?
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:48am
  - geoff3012
    
    Maybe she knows where the “OFF” switch is for the sun.
    
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    October 25, 2018 9:12am
  - KevOB
    
    What are they going to do about power costs?
    It’s 41.6/kwh at present.
    Gas supplies are temporarily disrupted for about another month.
    
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    October 25, 2018 9:32am
  - Colinxy
    
    “The reality of climate change policy is that it must impose high costs on everyone. The rich won’t care, the middle class will be outraged, whilst the poor will be hammered.
    There is no way around it. Climate change action is very expensive and there are no material gains – and, in the case of NZ, no change in temperature at all – only increased, enduring hardship.”
    
    Having read the comments from people like Prince Charles, Al Gore and so forth, I think the rich want this. They want to be able to go on holiday without the riffraff being there. They deplore things like cheap flights and are delighted with the prospects that flights will become expensive as it will stop the hoi polloi going on holiday.
    
    I suspect they want to see the end of the middle class and return to the days of the aristocracy, the priesthood (re-branded as Gaia worshippers) and the 98% living on subsistence.
    
    When you have people like Al Bore and Leonardo the Crapio flying on their personal aircrafts to destinations to give speeches that people shouldn’t fly anymore, it’s hard not to come to that conclusion: “travel is for me, but not for thee”. This includes getting rid of private transport in lieu of the plague-ridden public transport abominations like rail.
    
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    October 25, 2018 10:02am
    - The Heat
      
      Yes, I think it’s being used as a political hammer by elites to cement their position. Almost Dickensian.
      
      AGW politics benefits the rich at the direct expense of the poor. It’s curious those pushing it hardest are the left, but I guess wealthy elites know useful idiots when they see ’em.
      
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      October 25, 2018 10:48am
  - Ross12
    
    James Shaw in an interview at the latest climate change talkfest in Poland has said extreme measures will have to be imposed on the population for the greater. ( Translation –we the great informed elite will put the plebs in their place and enrich ourselves , the chosen few)
    Hopefully voters will impose extreme measures on Shaw at the next election but unfortunately I will not be holding my breath.
    
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    October 25, 2018 3:02pm
- Justitia
  
  Yvette, there is no plan nor thought for the consequences of their decisions which are gestures based solely on sentiment. We are now importing coal to keep the lights on. It’s going to be much worse when the gas runs out in a decade, especially if more people start using electric vehicles (whose construction and disposal involve an enormous carbon footprint in any case). The oil and gas offshore exploration ban will increase carbon emissions and will be disastrous for the less well off as energy prices skyrocket.
  
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  October 25, 2018 9:25am
  - KevOB
    
    Power is costing us (frugally) $20/day with the present gas supply disruption.
    
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    October 25, 2018 9:34am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Did you see the cleanup has begun by burning the logs and forestry waste washed down into Tolaga Bay during the storm in June clogging the streets and beach.
    The logs and wood waste are being piled into a huge bonfire on the beach and set alight. The waste will take weeks to burn. Not to worry about the CO2 being released in the smoke as they have made the fire as ‘green’ friendly as possible with a large forced fan to heat the fire and reduce the smoke output, which is being monitored. However, yesterday they had to stop burning as the smoke output was too high. //
    
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    October 25, 2018 9:49am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It was damn hazy down here in Kaiti, yesterday.
      (40km south-west of Tolaga)
      Hubby wondered who was burning off.
      
      Bit of wind today…. but with rain forecast for the weekend, it might be a time before the logs dry out.
      
      I don’t think the Freedom campers all along the coast are going to be too pleased when the burn-off begins properly.
      
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      October 25, 2018 10:10am
      - sooty
        
        Why not wait for Nov 5th!
        
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        October 25, 2018 1:04pm
EAD_TWO

If you’ve seen this international headline making “story”:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/108058178/racist-ryanair-passenger-identified

I highly recommend Savants response:

http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2018/10/police-in-three-countries-scramble-to.html?m=1

So is there anything capable of rousing the guardians of the peace from their torpor? Well yes. In a low-cost holiday flight from Spain to England on Irish airline Ryanair an elderly man shouted insults at a woman. Cue international outrage. Brexit and the Khasoggi murder were pushed off the front pages. Not just in Britain, Spain and Ireland. CNN, ABC News, The Washington Post and media as far away as India, Australia and New Zealand solemnly reported the tragedy. Even Theresa May took time off from her gruelling Brexit negotiations to weigh in. The police of three countries (Britain, Ireland and Spain) – and probably Interpol – exited their slumber, stormed into action, sirens blazing, lights flashing. The world breathed a sigh of relief as the master criminal was quickly tracked down to his lair.

(If you’re of a sensitive disposition I urge you to skip the rest of the post which provides the details of the crime.)

Ok, you ready? In a crowded, cheap, booze-fuelled flight operated by an Irish budget airline a man in his seventies insulted a black woman. “Don’t talk to me in a foreign language, you stupid ugly cow.” He didn’t want to sit beside her and she was given another seat. And…..well, that’s about it. That’s what’s been dominating the airwaves and prompting an international man-hunt. And of course there will soon be another winner of the ghetto jackpot. The ‘victim’ claims to have been traumatised by the ‘attack’ (that’s what it’s being called) and – crucially – has been at pains to point out the failings of Ryanair. Gayle’s eldest daughter said Ryanair staff acted as if the man was the victim. ”On the plane it was unprofessional, and after it was unprofessional. It’s all wrong, I just believe they need more training”. Apparently the woman’s life has been ruined, she can’t sleep…..you know the ghetto lottery drill. Even though that company are notorious tight-wads we can, given the gravity of the crime, expect to see a handsome cheque lodging in the victim’s bank account in due course.

In the farrago of nonsense deployed to boost the lottery payout the victim did ask one interesting if rhetorical question: ‘Can you imagine the reaction if the races had been reversed?’ Indeed we can Gayle. The police and media would react in the way they did to the ‘Asian’ grooming gangs. They’d look the other way.
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October 25, 2018 8:54am
- kowtow
  
  The rude guy ,who is possibly off his head , has now been visited by police……
  
  …….in a country where many burglaries won’t get that response.
  
  And yet the English keep voting for more of the same.
  
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  October 25, 2018 9:45am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    I just read that Kowtow – “Ryanair racist disowned by friends and family as police arrive at house”.
    
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/24/ryanair-racist-disowned-friends-family-police-arrive-house/
    
    A media witch hunt against an old man who lives in sheltered accommodation for using non PC language.
    
    The report even says that one of his relatives hopes he is jailed, although that may well be made up. And God alone knows what the police think they are doing investigating words spoken in another country. They and the English courts have no jurisdiction.
    
    The whole thing is utterly insane
    
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    October 25, 2018 10:37am
kowtow

Mary Whitehouse is still mocked by the sneering “in crowd” ………but when it comes to “diverse” communities ,suddenly they’re not sneering but responding !

‘ The UK’s first “watershed” music festival has been enforced by a local council, who have demanded no swearing or scantily clad performers.’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/24/uks-first-watershed-festival-council-bans-obscene-vulgar-songs/#comments
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October 25, 2018 9:18am
- stephieboy
  
  kowtow, but not if it is the US President and his daughter Ivanka?
  
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  October 25, 2018 9:50am
  - pentwig
    
    stoopidboy
    you are being deliciously stupid this morning
    i love it when you continually make a fool of yourself
    keep it up
    
    LOL
    
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    October 25, 2018 11:21am
MrTips

C’mon Bishop, where’s Wally and that phone call from the MidgetPrick™?
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October 25, 2018 9:36am
- Stars And Stripes
  
  You will grow old waiting for that to happen because if you have not realised it yet, Bishop is just another muck raking nobody like Jami Lee Ross.
  Throw shit at people and then completely fail to back up your accusations.
  Takes a lot of moral courage to do that.
  
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  October 25, 2018 10:32am
Hugh Pavletich

Markets In Turmoil: S&P, Dow Erase 2018 Gains As Nasdaq Crashes Most Since 2011 | Zero Hedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-24/markets-turmoil-sp-dow-erase-2018-gains-momo-massacre-accelerates
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October 25, 2018 9:53am
- Felt
  
  the COL are hoping that increased trade will help grow NZ’s “prosperity”. But the WTO is falling apart, Trump is only handing out favours to friends, Brexit is tying up Euro and UK, Russia is off the table (isn’t it Winston?), the Saudi FTA is subject to court action, Singapore negotiated hard after LAB changed overseas home ownership rules, Indonesia were pissed off by Cindy, TPPA is simply the old Groser agreement with a few word changes.
  
  There is no hope for new trade growth.
  
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  October 25, 2018 10:18am
kowtow

New Zealanders who helped destroy South Africa can be very proud of their place in history.

‘Student who was gang-raped and killed in South Africa pleaded with her kidnappers to let her go once they’d ‘had sex with her’, thug tells court as he describes how they murdered her ‘

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6311511/Student-begged-killers-let-theyd-sex-her.html#comments

While the world’s media obsess over a single Arab killed in Turkey we see very little of the genocide happening in SA.
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October 25, 2018 9:58am
- stephieboy
  
  kowtow, but that rape and murder do not equal genocide!
  
  And Black police officers in hot pursit !
  
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  October 25, 2018 10:05am
- Longknives
  
  I actually think they would be proud Kowtow.
  I know many hardcore ‘Lefties’ and they have zero sympathy for the White victims of Crime.
  ‘White Privilege’ you see??
  
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  October 25, 2018 11:45am
  - stephieboy
    
    Longknives, a gross misrepresentation and simplification yet again!
    
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    October 25, 2018 11:52am
flipper

Well, well …
Mysterious packages sent through the mail to a dozen or so folks who, strangely enjough, are either Democratic Party reps or funders. Not a single one sent to a Republican. Curious No?
Draw your own conclusion, but mine is that this is a Soros orchestrated “hit” job on Republicans. The first attempted (on B Kavaugnah) failed.
Now comes word that notwithstanding Trump’s comprehensive condemnation, Schumer, Pelosi and CNN are directing ALL blame on Trump and his Press Secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
What tossers those Demos are. They simply are just too obvious.
This is a Demo hit job and attempted deflection aw2ay from real issues.
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October 25, 2018 10:11am
- EAD_TWO
  
  And right in cue here comes Soros son.
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-24/nyt-op-ed-george-soros-son-blames-trump-and-demonization-opponents-bomb-packages
  
  In what must be one of the most rapidly written, edited, and published op-eds in New York Times history, Alexander Soros, son of billionaire globalist puppet-master George Soros, has penned a blame-scaping piece pointing directly at president Trump’s “politics of demonizing opponents” as responsible for the bombing of his father, The Clintons, The Obamas, and well anyone else who has received a suspicious package in the last few days and is not in any way right-leaning.
  
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  October 25, 2018 10:27am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD TWO, the Jews in the Trump administration,
    
    https://www.geni.com/projects/Jews-in-the-Trump-Administration/41458
    
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    October 25, 2018 11:55am
Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/108067193/steady-trading-for-ngi-tahu-strengthens-programmes-for-members

Solid trading and a $190 million Crown settlement top up have underpinned the South Island Ngāi Tahu tribe’s financial performance over the past year.

$190 Million Top Up

Need a new political party ASAP.
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October 25, 2018 10:13am
- Rodney Randall
  
  “Full and Final Settlement”
  
  TUI
  
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  October 25, 2018 10:31am
  - starboard
    
    Snap !
    
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    October 25, 2018 10:48am
secondcumming

The *DOW* has closed down more than 600 pts!
*CRUDE* also well off its highs.

[*DON* wont want to see much more of this before the mid-terms.]
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October 25, 2018 10:15am
stephieboy

flipper,

“Draw your own conclusion, but mine is that this is a Soros orchestrated “hit” job on Republicans.”

A bit like Comet Ping Pong, Seth Rich and Clinton Body count etc?

Oh sure!
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October 25, 2018 10:15am
kowtow

Don’t spend so much money and you won’t need more of it !

‘City and district councils are calling for another way to raise money after the prime minister took regional fuel taxes off the table.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/rnz/cull-councils-disappointed-fuel-tax-table
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October 25, 2018 10:18am
dcrown

These bomb threats in the US are a false flag operation.

How did someone manage to have all these packages delivered simultaneously and why do it less than two weeks out from the midterms, very suspicious?

Just like the caravan this has Soro’s finger prints all over it …
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October 25, 2018 10:22am
- Rich Prick
  
  If the published photos are true, the packages are missing post marks cancelling the stamps. When they go low … they go really low.
  
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  October 25, 2018 10:26am
lazza

Belatedly… I have just read Cam Slater’s long-winded dissertation/explanation of the “Sunday Night Events” involving CS, JLR and Soiman.

To quote the self appointed guru … Cam Maaate …!

“Explaining is losing”.
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October 25, 2018 10:28am
- KevOB
  
  I found it too confusing. Confusionism.
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:03pm
starboard

How the fuck do they get away with it.
Thanks Findlayson.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/108067193/steady-trading-for-ngi-tahu-strengthens-programmes-for-members
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October 25, 2018 10:36am
- kowtow
  
  ‘The $170 million settlement in 1997 was the tribe’s fifth.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/complaint-industry-still-rambles
  
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  October 25, 2018 10:41am
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Possible Replacements for Mr Seven Per Cent
No. 4: AMY ADAMS

Positives:
(1) She seems pleasant and has a nice smile. People would say, “Yes, it’s the Nasty Party, but that Amy Adams has a nice smile. She seems nice.”

Negatives:
(1) Even for the National Party, she’s an intellectual lightweight. Notoriously she once said, with a straight face, that private profit-takers should run social welfare, which was, she blithered, “beyond the meagre resources of the government.”

(2) She even made a dog’s breakfast of the lowly Communications and IT portfolio; her own brother in law condemned her manipulation at the hands of the telecommunications companies.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8061486/Brother-in-law-slams-ministers-frequency-plans

(3) She was there, a pleasant-seeming, smiling dummy, throughout the scandal of the Key regime’s filthy politics. She didn’t so much as utter a word of dissent or disapproval.

This series is compiled by the team at Daisycutter Sports, Inc.

Candidate No. 1 Simon O’Connor, No. 2 Paula “Snitch” Bennett; No. 3 Gerry Brownlee
Coming up: Sarah Dowie
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October 25, 2018 10:36am
- Stars And Stripes
  
  I actually thought a nice smile but a rather vacant brain was all you needed to qualify as PM if our current one sets the benchmark.
  
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  October 25, 2018 10:45am
- Philview
  
  I like Amy Adams, but the media will seek to destroy her and I don’t wish that on anyone.
  
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  October 25, 2018 10:51am
- flipper
  
  The Morrisey filth has posted crap once again – all prescribed by Fraser House. This troll is an idiot. Fuck off and troll the Standard or WOHB!
  
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  October 25, 2018 11:09am
  - Morrissey
    
    This troll is an idiot.
    “Troll” is such a horrid word. It just means someone who annoys you. I have as much right to post here as you do, flopper.
    
    Fuck off and troll the Standard
    
    I post at the Standard quite often, thanks. You’d call it “trolling”, no doubt, but what the hell.
    
    …or WOHB!
    
    I’m sorry to say that I am banned in perpetuum from that evil place. They called me a troll there, too.
    
    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/12/heres-the-whale-dealing-to-his-critics/
    
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    October 25, 2018 11:39am
    - Jack5
      
      You’re wrong about Amy Adams’s intellect, Morrissey. She’s a bright person.
      
      Compared with Bachelor of Communications Ardern, Adams is a genius.
      
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      October 25, 2018 12:00pm
Ed Snack

The “Caravan” is interesting, you wouldn’t know from the press reports, but the “caravan” people are not walking to the US border, they’re being transported by Truck mostly and only walking for PR shots.

So who is paying for and arranging the transport – it would be a far from insignificant cost. And who is supplying food and the means to cook; who is supplying water, and very importantly, sanitation services. One very much doubts that there are public facilities readily available or that the thousands of caravan people are just using the roadside as a toilet.

This march is organized and well funded; and well promoted through the media. Who is doing this ?
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October 25, 2018 10:45am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  How to deal with the “caravan” at the US Border?
  – Demand submission to proper processing and due process of law
  – Arrest and detain anyone who fails to comply
  – Expel all those who fail to meet the requirements of the US government
  
  If the US had the resources in the 1940s to detain tens of thousands of US citizens of Japanese ancestry, then they surely have the resources now to detain an equal number (or more) while processing their applications for entry visas.
  
  The rule of law must prevail.
  
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  October 25, 2018 10:52am
  - stephieboy
    
    Odakyu sen, the US had the exigencies of a World War including Pearl harbour to consider!
    
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    October 25, 2018 12:00pm
    - Jack5
      
      Stephie, while Japanese Americans fought in one of the Allies’ most highly decorated units – even though their parents and families were incarcerated – Muslims had formed a special unit in the SS.
      
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      October 25, 2018 12:02pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Jack5,
        
        A samurai cannot have two masters.
        
        That would be the 100th Battalion of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team (aka “the Purple Heart Battalion”).
        
        I am waiting for Clint Eastwood to tell their story. Quite fitting in this day and age when the sons of immigrants have to decide where their loyalties lies and to whom they pledge their allegiance.
        
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        October 25, 2018 12:31pm
      - cha
        
        Muslims had formed a special unit in the SS.
        
        I’ll see your special unit in the SS and raise you by the Muslim irregulars who saw service with the Allies in the SE Asian peninsula and the hundreds and hundreds of thousands who fought and died in the name of the French Army of Africa and the British Army of India.
        
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        October 25, 2018 12:56pm
      - Jack5
        
        Cha, about a quarter of the British Indian Army troops were Muslim. The Indians fought bravely in World War 2, though some joined the Japanese side during the Burma campaign.
        
        The Muslims in the British Indian Army were actively recruited by the British. The formation of the Muslim unit of the SS would have been influenced by the friendship between Hitler and the Mufti of Jerusalem. I don’t think the SS knew what to do with the Muslim unit, and I don’t think it saw any hard fighting, unlike the Baltic, Scandinavian, French, Belgian and Dutch SS units.
        
        I’m not sure what you mean about the “Muslim irregulars” who fought with the Allies in the “SE Asian peninsula.”
        
        The guerrillas in Malaya resisting the Japanese were overwhelmingly ethnic Chinese and communist, and they continued on after the war, then fighting the British.
        
        There may have been support for the British in Burma from an ethnic Muslim group, as there was from ethnic people who were mainly Christian, but I am not aware of it.
        
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        October 25, 2018 2:11pm
      - cha
        
        During Japan’s occupation of Burma, Rakhine Muslims were recruited, armed and trained by the British as irregular militias to attack the Japanese and their Buddhist proxies.
        
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        October 25, 2018 4:19pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Jack5, as you need to be tediously reminded so did Christian Croatia and Rumania fought with the SS and Hitler’s legions.!
        
        https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/31/in-croatia-nazi-sympathizers-are-welcome-to-join-the-party-thompson-ustashe-fascism/
        
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        October 25, 2018 5:35pm
      - Jack5
        
        Cha, the main resistance fighters supporting the Allies against the Japanese in the Burma campaign were Kachins, but also also other hill tribes – Karens, Chins, Kukis and Nagas.
        
        They fought as both irregulars and in units such as the Americans’ 3200-strong Kachin Rangers. Recruiting these ethnic minorities was facilitated by their contacts with Christian missionaries.
        
        Towards the end of the war, the Americans formed four Battalions from a 3,000-man guerrilla force of Kachin, Karen, Ghurka, Shan, Chinese, and Burmese forces.
        
        I still haven’t found any mention of the Rakhine Muslims’ role.
        
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        October 25, 2018 10:52pm
- stephieboy
  
  Ed Snack, what can you expect from an Obama Birth certificate true believer?
  
  Sigh!
  
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  October 25, 2018 11:57am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I really can’t be bothered with a serial fabricator and liar like yourself Stephieboy. But can you possibly advance an explanation of how these people are being fed, housed, transported, and cleaned up afterwards by ?
    
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    October 25, 2018 5:13pm
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      Ed Snack, so have you renounced birtherism or was it a poster look alike?
      
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      October 25, 2018 5:36pm
- Inandout
  
  We know that Soros funds the invasion, but what a time to push this when the mid term elections are close. Do these mongrels fear that if the Republicans have a good win the gates will be well and truly closed?
  
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  October 25, 2018 12:40pm
  - Komata
    
    Inanout
    
    Actually it is the PERFECT time to do such a thing, since the MSM will be all over it like a rash as part of their determination (with their mates the Dems), to destroy the President, and to undermine the Republicans in any way possible. Cue NSN faux outrage BTW when the invasion force reaches the border and tangles with the US Army. No doubt the headlines are being prepared as we speak.
    
    Soros and co have planned well, and when this little exercise doesn’t succeed (it won’t), expect other equally (but larger) headline-,grabbing, MSM promoted events, as they continue in their attempts to destroy both the man and the country…
    
    Fanaticism takes many unusual forms…
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:07pm
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A bewildered correspondent writes: So who is paying for and arranging the transport – it would be a far from insignificant cost.

Yes, of course. This is all organized by George Soros, and there’s nothing wrong in Honduras, and the United States has nothing to do with the situation there.

Then again, maybe it’s those cunning Palestinians who are faking their own deaths in Gaza and the Occupied West Bank. And probably Soros is funding those fake executions of fake doctors, fake ambulance drivers, fake nurses, and fake kids as well.

Oh yes. Of course.
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October 25, 2018 10:49am
- rangitoto
  
  Fake bombs = false flag for sure.
  
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  October 25, 2018 11:01am
- Ed Snack
  
  Bewildered Morrisey, why would you say that ? I want to to imagine 7-10,000 people marching in a column with no organization to wards a destination many weeks travel away. They walk through ordinary countryside and small towns.
  
  How are they fed, a lot of food is required to keep them nourished, far more than is easily purchased locally and far more than is easily prepared. In the conditions little could be preserved and kept edible. Where do they get clean enough water ? What are the sanitation arrangements ?
  
  I have some familiarity with route marches and the organization it takes to enable relatively large numbers of people to move in this way through a country – not that dissimilar to how an army (or at least a significant military force if not quite of an army size) would march through another country that wasn’t actively hostile. Unless you forage, considerable organization is necessary to ensure feeding and water is available.
  
  Now it is apparent that it a little easier than it sounds, they aren’t marching as such but are being transported. And bugger the “hitching a ride” guff, you don’t move that number by hitching rides. It is therefore almost certainly being organized and paid for by someone.
  
  If you really think this is spontaneously happening, I have this bridge, correction, these bridges, that I think you would be interested in buying.
  
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  October 25, 2018 5:22pm
rangitoto

Just saw this tweet from Chris Bishop:

“Another interesting morning of select committee hearings on Wellington bus debacle. Tranzit just told the committee that one of the reasons the timetables are so stuffed is that they were designed on basis the Basin flyover was in place!”

These are the idiots we pay big bucks FFS
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October 25, 2018 10:56am
DigNap15

If it comes down to chosing between Turkey and Saudi Arabia
I’m all for Saudi Arabia

Turkey are promoting the Muslim brotherhood which is anti western and pro muslim states.
Saudi Arabia and its allies although reactionary monarchy’s are at least pro western.
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October 25, 2018 11:01am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Devil and Dark Blue Sea sort of choice.
  
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  October 25, 2018 12:32pm
- MCos
  
  Saudi is pro Western?
  Pro Western what?
  Values – I don’t think so.
  Money – now you’re talking!
  Saudi Arabia has shit loads of oil, but it ain’t much use if the West doesn’t buy the stuff.
  The place thinks it’s making progress because women are now allowed to drive.
  
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  October 25, 2018 12:52pm
Morrissey

I’m all for Saudi Arabia

You truly are a moron.
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October 25, 2018 11:03am
- DigNap15
  
  I gave you some brief facts
  All you did was throw insults!
  
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  October 25, 2018 11:25am
  - Morrissey
    
    https://tenor.com/view/digging-beach-sand-gif-11902668
    
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    October 25, 2018 11:46am
Hugh Pavletich

Are New Zealand politicians visiting western China’s ‘accommodation establishments’ ? …ask them …

How much influence do foreign donors have in Kiwi politics? … tvnz

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/much-influence-do-foreign-donors-have-in-kiwi-politics

China’s hidden camps – BBC News

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps
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October 25, 2018 11:11am
- starboard
  
  ” Hic “
  
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  October 25, 2018 11:23am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    US sails gaily through Taiwan Straits – MacroBusiness
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/us-sails-gaily-taiwan-straits/
    
    Some of China’s problems … Mike mb comments on above MB thread …
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/10/us-sails-gaily-taiwan-straits/#comment-3210057
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    Of Two Minds – China’s Next Revolution Is on the Horizon
    
    https://www.oftwominds.com/blogoct18/china-revolution10-18.html
    
    … via …
    
    China’s Next Revolution Is On The Horizon | Zero Hedge
    
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-19/chinas-next-revolution-horizon
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    Gordon Chang: China’s Rise (and America’s Fall) Just Won’t Happen. Here’s Why. | The National Interest
    
    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/gordon-chang-chinas-rise-and-americas-fall-just-wont-happen-heres-why-33251
    
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    October 25, 2018 12:55pm
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Bridges to Nowhere

https://thestandard.org.nz/bridges-loses-connection-with-reality/
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October 25, 2018 11:51am
- mandk
  
  Anyone who cites The Standard as an authority has lost connection with reality.
  
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  October 25, 2018 12:00pm
Jack5

A blow to marijuana champions?

Swiss scientists have found a rare moss might help relieve pain better than marijuana, and be better than cannabis at helping children with severe epilepsy.

And New Zealand is one of the three countries where it is found!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/24/rare-moss-could-better-cannabis-relieving-pain-study-finds/
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October 25, 2018 12:06pm
- kowtow
  
  No one will be seriously interested in the moss.
  
  The whole point of “medicinal cannabis” is Trojan Horse legalisation.
  
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  October 25, 2018 12:18pm
  - Brigitte
    
    Precisely, as the saying (sort of) goes, someone rolling (a joint) to get stoned will gather no moss (for pain relief).
    
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    October 25, 2018 12:22pm
    - sooty
      
      You watch, the special people will claim it!
      
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      October 25, 2018 12:54pm
Manolo

In the red:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/24/dow-poised-for-triple-digit-losses-at-the-open-after-tuesdays-500-point-recovery.html

The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 608.01 points at 24,583.42 and erased all of its gains for 2018. The S&P 500 dropped 3.1% to 2,656.10 and also turned negative for the year.
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October 25, 2018 12:07pm
- tas
  
  Watch the Trumpkins who have been giving their man credit suddenly start blaming Obama again.
  
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  October 25, 2018 12:20pm
  - Brigitte
    
    No, Trump’s already lined up the Fed as the fall guys.
    
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    October 25, 2018 12:24pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  but still up about 5% over the last 12 months. There’s been a real bull market on for which we are now seeing (at least) a correction.
  
  But it’s only just touching the 200 day moving average (a closely monitored figure for decision making by traders) http://www.stock2own.com/StockAnalysis/Index/US/%5EDJI/Dow-Jones-Industrial-Average?w=412
  
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  October 25, 2018 12:31pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The Dow (more so the Nasdaq) are blowing off steam of the last 18 months.
  In normalizing I would expect the Dow to go down to around 16,000 points. Still a way to go.
  
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  October 25, 2018 12:38pm
  - Paulus
    
    For a Sharebroker in the USA the market is made by them to go up and down, so how else can the Brokers make money ?
    
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    October 25, 2018 1:31pm
RF

Wait for it…. Barry Soper is off to a sit down with our communist leader and her boyfriend.

? A nice fireside chat about how much in love they are.

Maybe Fraser House has instructed her to divert attention from the regional fuel tax backdown.

Whatever the occasion I’m sure Squirrel will be there amongst the teeth and sleaze.
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October 25, 2018 12:44pm
Manolo

Bill and Hillary, two of the biggest crooks on Earth:
https://powderedwigsociety.com/clinton-foundation-tax-rtn/
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October 25, 2018 2:24pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, desperately scraping the bottom of the barrel again,
  
  https://powderedwigsociety.com/pizzagate-2/
  
  LOL!
  
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  October 25, 2018 5:25pm
Manolo

The warmists are up in arms:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/poor-nations-castigate-australia-for-abandoning-global-climate-fund-20181023-p50beh.html

Prime Minister Scott Morrison announced Australia will cease payments to the United Nations-backed Green Climate Fund, a mechanism under the Paris treaty to help poor nations cut emissions and respond to extreme weather and rising seas.
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October 25, 2018 3:00pm
- DigNap15
  
  Great the sooner the USA, Australia and NZ pull out of these stupid organisations and stop funding them the better.
  Tell them and their scientists to give up.
  
  200 years of massive industrialization and the temperature has warmed by half a degree and the sea level has gone up by 1mm!
  
  Better to work on over population in poor countries with no resources. Free sterilization!
  
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  October 25, 2018 3:54pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Morrison Said…
    
    @No, we won’t … nor are we bound to go and tip money into that big climate fund. We’re not going to do that either. I’m not going to spend money on global climate conferences and all that nonsense.”
    
    Great, the best words i have heard for a while.
    
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    October 25, 2018 3:56pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Even Al Gore is having to admit that the IPCC was overstating the effects of our changing climate
      
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/10/24/gore-admits-the-the-ipcc-climate-report-was-torqued-up-to-get-attention/
      
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      October 25, 2018 4:02pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, why should we believe in an unqualified weather forecaster like Anthony Watts?
        
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        October 25, 2018 5:29pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Because there’s a video of Gore saying exactly that…
        
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        October 25, 2018 8:23pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh, you don’t want to view it on The world’s most viewed site on global warming and climate change
        
        Try it on Youtube then…his Oct 12, 2018 PBS Newshour interview.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT-x-j1FeSQ
        My comment refers to Al Gore speaking at 1min 30 sec into the video clip.
        
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        October 25, 2018 8:56pm
  - Komata
    
    DgNap
    
    No chance of NZ withdrawing; the SLG has said so; her ‘ Nuclear moment’ and all that…
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:12pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Komata ..And she promised the UN while she was there to prostitute our sovereignty and insult the leader of our primary defence partner.
      
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      October 25, 2018 10:11pm
- KevOB
  
  Hopefully it’s our turn next. The curtain is coming down on this farce.
  
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  October 25, 2018 7:55pm
Jack5

The Telegraph has, behind its pay wall, an obituary of Air Vice-Marshal Charles Gibbs, a New Zealander who had a long career in the RAF, and who, the newspaper says, on his return to New Zealand on retirement was an active member of the ACT Party.

And Stuff has quite a detailed obituary, but I didn’t notice any mention of any Gibbs ACT connection.

The Stuff obituary:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/108102541/Obituary-Air-Vice-Marshal-Charles-Melvin-Gibbs-DFC-CB-NZ412678-June-11-1921-October-3-2018
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October 25, 2018 3:25pm
- Johnboy
  
  Poor bastard only got to be a “vice” unlike chummy below Jack5! 🙂
  
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  October 25, 2018 3:44pm
- Morrissey
  
  There was another Gibbs, first name Alan, also an ACT fanatic, who crashed into four people with his jetski. Any relation?
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=114793
  
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  October 25, 2018 7:33pm
  - sooty
    
    Morrishit!
    
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    October 25, 2018 8:25pm
Johnboy

How the fuck can you have a rank as high as Air Marshall when all you’ve got is some clapped out old propeller stuff, a handful of useless European choppers and a couple of old jet’s for carting the glitterati of the COL around in? 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108104083/new-defence-force-boss-ushers-in-major-shakeup-of-military-top-brass

At least he says he’s going to get rid of the chaff….He could always start with Ron “Greasemonkey” Mark! 🙂
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October 25, 2018 3:37pm
- Morrissey
  
  And the murderers and terrorists we sent to Afghanistan.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/95864470/afghanistan-new-zealand-public-didnt-know-full-story–defence-boss
  
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  October 25, 2018 7:39pm
  - Swifty
    
    Prick.
    
    I hunt with a number of NZers who served there – some of the finest people I’ve ever met.
    
    How many do you personally know?
    
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    October 25, 2018 7:54pm
    - sooty
      
      Morrishit again!
      
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      October 25, 2018 8:24pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Do you hunt humans like they did in Afghanistan?
      
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      October 25, 2018 8:57pm
      - Swifty
        
        Sleazy prick.
        
        Answer the question – how many do you know personally – or is your entire life about slurring others?
        
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        October 25, 2018 9:06pm
      - Morrissey
        
        “Slurring” them? Have you not read the work on these “heroes” by Paula Penfold, John Stephenson, and Nicky Hager?
        
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        October 25, 2018 9:17pm
adc

Just read a huff post article on how NZ may be the most progressive country in the world. Obviously written by a young and naive fanperson.

Anyway a disturbing revelation in the article related to the new Domestic Violence Victim Protection bill which passed on 26 July and comes into force from 1 April next year.

It appears to grant people the right to an additional 2 weeks annual leave on some fairly tenuous circumstances.

If you at any stage in your life resided (in a hostel?) with a child who was domestically abused, then for the rest of your life you can claim an additional 2 weeks leave. The bill doesn’t require you to take any steps during the leave to deal with the issue, doesn’t prevent you from claiming the leave in any 12 month period for any previously claimed incident, and doesn’t limit the amount of time that may have occurred since the thing happened.

And this isn’t like parental leave, it has to be paid for by the employer, who is therefore paying for the deeds of the abuser. You don’t have to have been abused to claim it, you don’t have to be related to or a guardian of a child who was abused (you just need to have resided with), and hell that doesn’t even need to be the primary place the kid resides.

They really missed an opportunity to do this properly and achieve some good for people who are abused. As it stands it looks like now it will be another factor that employers use to exclude potential employees (are they likely to claim the leave) and therefore contribute to the glass ceiling. What a pig’s breakfast of a bill.
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October 25, 2018 4:12pm
- adc
  
  what’s more, the whole section on an employee requesting flexible working arrangements is completely defanged by the long and comprehensive list of factors that an employer can use to decline any such application. May as well delete the whole section.
  
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  October 25, 2018 4:25pm
Chuck Bird

I watched the debate on the Criminal Cases Review Commission Bill. I generally support National but say they are very wrong in their opposition.

None will say how Peter Ellis will obtain justice or is he just collateral damage?
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October 25, 2018 4:14pm
LTA1955

Could we send Barely Sober and HDPA and any other leftie volunteers to cover this outrage in Venezuela:
https://www.breitbart.com/latin-america/2018/10/24/venezuela-corpses-exploding-morgues-power-shortages/
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October 25, 2018 6:03pm
- Morrissey
  
  It’s Breitbart. It’s bullshit.
  
  Anyone interested in what actually is happening in Venezuela should read and listen to someone who actually knows what she’s talking about. Like Abby Martin…..
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMeli0BA3UA
  
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  October 25, 2018 7:31pm
  - Inandout
    
    What a travesty of the truth that idiot Martin speaks.
    
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    October 25, 2018 9:46pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      You have to forgive Morrissey
      He shouldn’t really be using his Mums computer this late
      
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      October 25, 2018 9:50pm
Doubledimp

Winston Peters says on TV One he never smoked weed. Mrs Dimp says “why does he need weed, he’s an alcoholic!”
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October 25, 2018 6:22pm
RF

hypocrisy 101

I understood the duck threatened deportation if anyone looked at Squirrel and death by a thousand cuts if you should photograph her.

Now we have kids parties at premier house with squirrel being the centre of attraction and attention. Cameras for Africa.

Our communist PM is really pissing me off with her hypocrisy.

As I have said I respect the position of PM but have nothing but contempt for the current holder of the office.

She really lowers the standard of high office
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October 25, 2018 6:39pm
nasska

You may be a conservative if you believe that the National Party should limit itself to the ideals espoused in its founding document which include banning gay marriage, regulating indecent content on the Internet & taking guidance on the Nation’s morals from religious busy-bodies.
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October 25, 2018 8:20pm
- Johnboy
  
  I’ve never been a member of the National Party because of your point three nasska!
  I always thought they would be better taking advice on moral matters from wife-swapping busy-bodies! 🙂
  
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  October 25, 2018 8:27pm
Johnboy

Here we go….What happens when fuckwits get their hands on the public purse!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/108076396/sculpture-kills-two-birds-with-one-spike-in-christchurchs-botanic-gardens
All the asshole Councillors should be impaled on the bloody monstrosity along with the idiot McCracken and a flamethrower brought in to shish kebab the lot of them! 🙂
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October 25, 2018 9:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

For Manolo
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/video-news/italian-mep-uses-shoe-to-stamp-on-eu-commissioners-notes-37454117.html
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October 25, 2018 9:39pm
- Johnboy
  
  Here we go. 🙂
  https://www.google.com/search?q=theresa+may%27s+shoes&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiRi7TZmaHeAhUYat4KHctXDlgQsAR6BAgFEAE&biw=1680&bih=886
  
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  October 25, 2018 9:45pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You’ve got to admit she’s got fab pins.
    
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    October 25, 2018 9:49pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Indeed Maggy. I do luv older ladies with nicely turned thighs, calves and ankles! 🙂
      
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      October 25, 2018 9:55pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I try to keep myself in trim
        https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/af/ca/45afca57b92fb0dfd9acefbe2d5fd05e.jpg
        
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        October 25, 2018 10:03pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Yes…Well I’ve always thought the best place for a lady’s ankles was behind her ears but I’m prepared to make an exception if yours look like that Maggy! 🙂
        
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        October 25, 2018 10:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Thank goodness I don’t have shares in Z energy
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/108104331/since-jacinda-ardern-said-consumers-were-being-fleeced-z-energy-shareholders-have-lost-more-than-500m
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October 25, 2018 9:43pm
- Johnboy
  
  What could go wrong with an intellectual giant like Faatfoi in charge? 🙂
  
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  October 25, 2018 9:49pm
- starboard
  
  Ardern needs to just shut her big mouth. Stupid tart.
  Nothing will come of the CC’s investigation, its all lip service. Z is actually excellent buying at current price of around 587. Grab a bargain. Results out 1 November.
  
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  October 26, 2018 1:11am
- Doubledimp
  
  At first I thought it was that they were talking to their Friends in Taranaki Oil&Gas industry (and we all know how well that worked out!) then 2/3rds of the way through the article, we find out most of the change in price was after operational data was released. So it wasn’t Cindy being fearsome, it was the market reacting to lost market share. Talk about shoddy journalism.
  
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  October 26, 2018 6:54am
Johnboy

Shit..I just realised… I hope that the beautiful Jacinda doesn’t think we need an inquiry into the electricity generators! 🙂 ……Everything’s fine there darling…my divi’s have been excellent….all the folk are getting a fair deal…etc..etc… 🙂
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