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Maggy Wassilieff

Long-lived kereru
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/28/rehoming-pigeon-kereru-returns-to-hatchery-24-years-after-flying-the-coop
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September 29, 2020 8:06am
- krazykiwi
  
  There’s one tilty-headed bird I’d like to see fly the coup, never to return.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:17am
  - Chris R
    
    Kiwi: David Attenborough still needs to define that particular bird. I think it comes from the Pompous Stupidictus species…characterised by misplaced feelings of importance and competence.
    
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    September 29, 2020 8:20am
Vallager

Is Labour’s election slogan a subtle bid for the real estate industry vote?
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September 29, 2020 8:07am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  It is inspired the way she watches over you with that vapid slogan as you sit in your traffic jam.
  
  Guess the placement of the hoardings wasn’t well thought through?
  
  So what has all the transport funding been spent on? Biggest tax increases in recent memory, special fuel taxes too. But less roads. Where did the money go?
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:41am
- Simon
  
  Which slogan?
  
  Lets keep moving like a chimp on a segway.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:52am
  - LTA1955
    
    On the way into the Greville Road grinder. Just what you need crawling along at 2.89km/per hour. A pot of black paint on one of those front teeth, a 1933 style moustache, and add the word BACKWARDS would ease the pain a bit!
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:45am
- slijmbal
  
  laxatives ……
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:25am
wimpston peeeders

good luck to farmers of the south, just peaked outside and im stoked I no longer farm (well got a LS block and handfull of cows) still halarious to watch wifey clear a foot or so snow off the car to go to work.
Most snow weve had around here for quite a few years… must be that climate change thingy, im sure more taxes will fix it //
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September 29, 2020 8:08am
- pdm
  
  WP – Hard to imagine how bad it must have been before the arrival of alleged climate change.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:21am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    yea I know, early maori settlers wore grass skirts and southlands climate was several degrees warmer…
    
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    September 29, 2020 9:59am
- Centrist
  
  Not a good time with lambing. Good luck to any farmers reading this.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:29am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Snow on the lawn this morning.
    Cold winds are the worst for the new born lambs – like we had yesterday. Sun out now on the gravel road.
    Thanks for your thoughts Centrist. Not often farmers get a nod of support for their animals ……
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:01am
- sooty
  
  That’s not very kind of you making wifey go and clear a foot of snow of her car so she can go to work! You’re mean! You should have been up, made her breakfast, cleared the snow, started the car,turned the car heater up to make it nice and toasty inside and then sent her off to work!
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:44am
  - softail 1450
    
    Sooty ,W P is a snag obviously ,if he’d been a real man he would insisted she clean the snow off his car as well and withheld her car keys until she complied, LOL.
    
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    September 29, 2020 11:21am
Paulus Gnome

Another day, another lie from the Adhern government.

I wonder if it will be a new lie or a repeated one.

I’m going with repeating a previous lie myself.
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September 29, 2020 8:08am
- Simon
  
  Lying is the new normal.
  
  On this very blog it was repeated the lie about Trump calling military dead losers and suckers.
  
  Line was crossed here in NZ a while ago.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:54am
  - rockape
    
    Tonight at a candidates meeting Damien O Connor lied to me. He claimed Kiwibuild was never for people to buy affordable homes , nor for first home buyers. I had to point out their policy said the would ONLY be sold to first home buyers. He is either dumb and not aware of his parties policies on Kiwibuild or a liar.
    
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    September 29, 2020 11:09pm
- sooty
  
  How did Cindy’s 100mph trip to the arport go?
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:46am
  - pdm
    
    I thought Helen Clark was the `fastest’ PM.
    
    Is Ardern trying to out do her?
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:34am
- RightFirstTime
  
  Or as David Seymour euphemistically refers to them as “falsehoods”. I think he is being too “kind”. A lie is a lie is a lie!
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:13am
- softail 1450
  
  P G, just got Arderns 5 point plan for saving the economy in our letterbox ,don’t know if you’ve seen it but there are 5 glaring lies right there in print, she’s got skin like a fricking Rhino..
  
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  September 29, 2020 11:26am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Mateeeeeeeeeeeee!
    
    I live in a blue electorate that you really could put lipstick on a pig and it would return National.
    
    They cold pin $100.00 note to the leaflet and I still wouldn’t believe anything let alone vote for them therefore they don’t waste a lot of time leafleting here.
    
    That aside, I have taken my time to help out in an adjoining electorate which is more marginal posting stuff into letterboxes and am going to scrutineering training tonight.
    
    A thousand helping hands . . .
    
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    September 29, 2020 3:16pm
Im Right

Who’s a betting person?…what’s the chances of a reporting piece/opinion piece today in the MSM that doesn’t ‘sneer’ in it’s writing of Collins and gush enthusiastically at Arden when reporting on the daily campaign trail news?
Odds not in Collins favour I’d be certain of.
(Too many young female ‘reporters’ it seems that if they actually wrote some truths about Arden/Labour would lose friends …all young sycophants it seems to me, but what do I know)
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September 29, 2020 8:09am
- Classic Liberal
  
  As someone said in our latest poll discussion: some people polled wouldn’t say they’ll vote Nat or Act in a household of Cindy sycophants; just to keep the peace in their home.
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:30am
Justitia

When Jacinda makes it a crime to ridicule religion, well, especially the religion cobbled together by a Dark Ages Saudi pedophile, what will be the prescribed penalty? Will it be burning at the stake – these events offered great public entertainment in the 16th century and are made for live TV as it took on average about 30 minutes for the offender to expire. Or perhaps it will be the more culturally appropriate punishment of decapitation? But that’s all over too quickly, really. Hard to choose I know but it’s great to see us getting back to our roots under Jacinda’s (and Andrew’s) wise leadership.
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September 29, 2020 8:09am
- MCos
  
  I’m not exactly sure which side of the debate you’re on.
  Whichever it is it sounds ridiculous.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:38am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Obviously Justitia wants freedom of expression. Do you want blasphemy laws? Criticism of religion to become illegal?
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:33am
- JackRabbit
  
  “When Jacinda makes it a crime to ridicule religion”
  
  True, but…
  
  “When Jacinda makes it a crime to have a different viewpoint to that sanctioned by the government”
  
  Is far more accurate.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:46am
- herb1
  
  I think the ducking stool is more her style.
  it will suit Andrew Little as well by reducing court time, keeping people out of jail and also decreasing unemployment by requiring more undertakers , grave diggers and stool engineers
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:02am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Ah yes, so that is their ‘shovel ready projects’ policy…
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:34am
- Thought Criminal
  
  It’s funny how thin skinned most gods are that they need men to pass laws to protect them
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:17am
  - lifesgood
    
    God’s don’t need protecting it is to prevent the persecution which inevitably flows from ridiculing other people’s beliefs.
    
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    September 29, 2020 9:38am
  - graham
    
    Oh, I don’t know … I don’t recall any laws being passed 22 years ago when the “Virgin in a Condom” so-called ‘art’ was displayed at Te Papa.
    
    And I didn’t realise this. Apparently, John Banks attempted to prosecute the museum, but Solicitor-General John McGrath ruled that a prosecution should not proceed due to the freedom-of-expression provisions enshrined in the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.
    
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/video/26202/the-virgin-in-the-condom
    
    Freedom of expression, you say … what an interesting concept, am I right Andrew Little?
    
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    September 29, 2020 9:52am
- softail 1450
  
  Justitia ,I’m personally going out of my way to be one of the 1st to be charged with that crime and I’m hoping my penalty will be to be transformed into a thing the socialist left despise the most of all, a self made multi millionaire with a bullet proof trust ,
  
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  September 29, 2020 11:32am
Simon

Top ministers have ordered a “deep dive” into the Defence Force’s spending in a bid to free up more funding to “lift the wellbeing of New Zealanders”

Finance Minister Grant Robertson said the cost-cutting exercise

From Labour’s “well being” budget.

On the night of the fatal dive there were not enough staff attending and two of the instructors did not have all the required qualifications.

Damning report reveals navy’s dive culture after death of sailor Zach Yarwood

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300111798/damning-report-reveals-navys-dive-culture-after-death-of-sailor-zach-yarwood

Cuts in defence spending always means lower training standards. This means more military deaths and accidents.

Labour are putting military people into harm.
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September 29, 2020 8:13am
- Tricati
  
  But didn’t Robo say Labour don’t do austerity as that’s just not ‘kind’.
  Its just the nasty Nat’s that look to save costs and save the tax-payer.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:23am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I am sure the Navy will learn from the report. However these activities are hazardous and soldiers and sailors are pushed hard – that is the job.
  
  As for a spending review – if this means cutting defence spending, what joke is this? Airforce finally has nine new planes on order. That is welcome but it should be double that.
  
  Putting aside training planes and helicopters, the airforce has a total of 13 aircraft:
  
  6 x Orions – 50 years old
  5 x C130s Hercules – 54 years old
  2 x B757 – 28 years old (delivered second hand in 2003).
  
  So that means that the last time the RNZAF took delivery of new transport or maritime patrol aircraft was 50 years ago! I bet they are looking forward to their new deliveries.
  
  So good luck on cost cutting.
  
  Sure Australia is a bigger country but they have approx. 150 fixed wing aircraft excluding 72 F35 fighters on order.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_Royal_Australian_Air_Force_aircraft
  
  I just do not see how New Zealand’s defence force is seen as credible by Australia.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:59am
  - alwyn
    
    I presume from your remarks that you don’t think that old planes are any use?
    The US Air Force has, as a main force bomber, the B52. The last of them was delivered in 1962 so all of the ones still in use are at least 58 years old.
    The are expected to remain in use until the 2050’s so they may be one hundred years old before they are scrapped.
    Are they really that useless?
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:03am
    - john1234
      
      They are that useless, Alwyn. Availability of aircraft is low – they’re constantly under maintenance.
      
      The B52 is an outlier for the USAF whereas all fixed wing RNZAF aircraft are ancient.
      
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      September 29, 2020 12:49pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Thanks to Comrade Klark for starting the rot.
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:33am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Oh please. Successive governments have consistently underfunded defence and delayed or abandned re-equipment proposals. NZ hasn’t invested in significant new capablties since the 1960s. And it would appear that voters are happy with that.
      
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      September 29, 2020 10:35am
    - softail 1450
      
      C M, Ardern took away our best modern form of defense when she destroyed all those MSSA rifles, although there are still over 100,000 of them buried in gardens around the place apparently.
      We have NO defensive weaponry to speak of thanks to the dope promoting ex PM snaggletooth Clark.
      
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      September 29, 2020 11:39am
    - sooty
      
      Would be interesting reading to see the report if one of the geriatric aeroplanes fell out of the sky and killed it’s crew!
      
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      September 29, 2020 11:49am
- cmm
  
  I think it is the “give them a chance” culture that killed him.
  
  The bloke was struggling with the tough cardiovascular demands of diver training. They should have dropped him, but in this new age of anyone-can-be-what-they-want military they bent over and kept him going and that ended up killing him.
  
  Diving is unforgiving. In many parts of military training you can fake it by giving them a lighter pack or giving them a second chance if they fail the obstacle course. Not so in diving – no undo button if you drown.
  
  Blaming the incident on the lack/skill of instructors is just arguing over where to park the ambulance.
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:05am
  - oob
    
    Agreed.
    
    While the culture to succeed would have been a motivating factor, Yarwood and his mates were deliberately fucking with the operation of their rebreathers which pretty much qualifies his death as “accidental suicide.”
    
    What I don’t get is why they were using 100% O2 and an airmix on a dive where the maximum depth was 6 metres. Without getting into the bio-physics a PPO2 of 1.6 is what most Nitrox divers settle on as a hard limit, i.e 6 metres for pure oxygen.
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:05am
- Shendy
  
  With regards to the review, there has been a recent NZDF tender which hopefully has brought this issue forward, A recent tender (GATS-MBAF) was recently awarded (July) to an Australian company, value was 5-10 mil. there was a highly qualified NZ company who should have been awarded the tender, as the australian bid did not meet the requirements for a NZ based component. although the tender closed in Feb, the NZDF reasoning was that this was now time sensitive, as these are Aviation refueling vehicles needed for the new aircraft coming. long story short, I sent an OIA to Ron Marks, who surprisingly did sweet FA.
  Now the NZ business is struggling, and although the NZDF acknowledge there was mistakes made as the contract tis signed nothing an be done.
  
  To the comment about Labour putting military people into harm, I would not trust them to provide leadership in a military crisis. We can lockdown a country for a virus, but then send our best and brightest to conflict? Hippocritical much?
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:35am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  But but but – Cindy saved us from Covid.
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:30am
  - calendar girl
    
    In nearly 3 years he has saved us from nothing.
    
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    September 29, 2020 12:26pm
- NoFax
  
  Yes cut in defence spending means cuts in capability. The NZDF is now not up to the task of providing even a pretence of defending NZ. We know that the US and Australia do that for us.
  My fear is that we are winding down our defence force like we did in the 1930s only to be confronted with a huge war. Many men died because we were not ready to go to war when it came.
  If anything we need to increase our defence spending and, in particular, re-partner properly with the US and Australia. Unfortunately most NZers live in dream land when comes to defence.
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:32am
Simon

Trump taxes = he is a highly competent and corruption / crime free.

Trump also keeps his election promises.

Second term Trump will be outstanding for the world including NZ.

For NZ Trump shows lower taxes, economic focus, law and order and the importance of NZ governance for NZ. This is way.
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September 29, 2020 8:14am
- Swifty
  
  “Finance Minister Grant Robertson said the cost-cutting exercise”
  
  “he is a highly competent”
  
  “This is way.”
  
  Simon, I’d really like to read what you write – but sometimes you make it very hard for us. Do you proof read before you post?
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:36am
  - Simon
    
    “Simon, I’d really like to read what you write – but sometimes you make it very hard for us. Do you proof read before you post?”
    
    Comrade no point as not sure if will make it through moderation.
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:14am
- All_on_Red
  
  I thought these Tax Returns would reveal huge Debt to Russia?
  Guess that has been debunked now huh
  
  Say, did Hunter Biden pay Tax on the $3.5 million the Billionaire wife of the Corrupt Moscow Mayor- you know, the one who is friends with Putin.
  Did Hunter Register as a Foreign Agent under Fara?
  Spending illegal money on sex slaves isn’t a good look either.
  You don’t think that the peeing from prostitutes was, gasp, actually Hunter?
  Because we all know whatever the Left accuse you of, it’s what they are doing themselves…
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:19am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Butt Hunter! don’t forget about Ben Ghazi and the Buttery Males.
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

How’s the wind in Auckland?
Would a Wellingtonian notice?
Lovely day in Gisborne (again).
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September 29, 2020 8:16am
- Tomtoddy
  
  A stiff breeze Maggy and its dying away quickly. Gee I was raised on the West Coast and if Auckland was hit by a typical spring storm like we had on the Coast with rain, sleet, hail lightning, thunder and howling winds off the sea they would wonder what had hit them. Bunch of Karens up here.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:26am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Nothing a 10% carbon tax can’t fix bro.
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:31am
- Swifty
  
  Howling all night in Avondale, in fact most of the last three days.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:37am
  - Komata
    
    Swifty@0837
    
    Are you sure that the ‘Howling all night’ noise wasn’t being made by NZLP supporters practicing ‘just in case’ Dear Leader doesn’t win in October?
    
    One has to ask such things….
    
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    September 29, 2020 9:54am
    - Swifty
      
      I couldn’t rule it out my dear Komata.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDYNVH0U3cs
      
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      September 29, 2020 10:44am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    May be that is the howl of Judith Collins after realising she can’t win against the powerful Cindy.
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:32am
- MCos
  
  It’s a freezing cold 13deg in Mangere Bridge and there’s a stiff breeze from the heat pump condenser.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:45am
  - calendar girl
    
    “… freezing cold 13deg…”?
    
    Some of us were taught in our day that water (for example) freezes at zero degrees C.
    
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    September 29, 2020 12:39pm
- krazykiwi
  
  0-20km/h
  Peace and tranquility prevails right around the country. A Wellingtonian is overheard saying the weather is ‘a bit odd’ today.
  
  20-50km/h
  The country goes about its business as normally as possible. Aucklanders start posting ‘windy’ mems on their social media channels, and local café’s bring chairs inside as airborne latte foam regarded a health hazard.
  
  50-80km/h
  Farmers note that it’s a bit breezy. Wellington kite-boarders hit the waves as there’s now enough wind to have a great time. Auckland kite-borders pack up their gear as there’s too much wind.
  
  80-100km/h
  Farmers move stock to less exposed locations. A Wellington resident spotted using double clothes peg on a pair of socks. Auckland declare a state of emergency, closes roads, shops. Local government requests relief funds from central government.
  
  >100 km/h
  Wellington airport suspends microlight air traffic. Local sailor overheard grumbling about the wind. Traffic counters detect small decline in number of cycle commuters. Local windsurfing regatta kicks off. A café on Oriental bay closes it’s outdoor dining area. Auckland shuts down completely. Skytower evacuated. All arterial routes closed. Airport ceases operation. Army called in to reassure locals.
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:51am
  - Komata
    
    KK@0951
    
    So you’re from south of Bulls then?
    
    (Just asking).
    
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    September 29, 2020 9:56am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Yes!
      
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      September 29, 2020 10:41am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    you under report aucklandr reaction.
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Brilliant.
    
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    September 29, 2020 11:36am
  - NoCash
    
    50 to 80kph
    Time to hit the Oriental Bay for my resistance running session.
    
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    September 29, 2020 4:33pm
- Lance
  
  After living in Wellington for 8 years, the wind in Auckland is presently a bit of a breeze. Not until people can’t move forward on foot and are leaning 45deg into the wind, is it really blowing Wellington style.
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:27am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Maggy, having lived in both: no, a Wellingtonian would consider it a normal day.
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:42am
All_on_Red

John Carney does a good explainer about Tax and Property developers.
It’s an interesting read.
Also the claim Trump only paid $750 in ’16 and ’17 is not true.
The NYT article actually says he paid $1 million in 2016 and $4,2 million in 2017. Did some not read it properly in their haste to condemn?

To Carney’s article;
‘Tax records showing that Donald Trump told the IRS that he lost nearly $1 billion over the course of a decade starting in the mid-1980s highlight the complexity of how the tax code treats real estate investments, but they do not tell us much about the president’s business prowess.
“Mr. Trump lost so much money that he was able to avoid paying income taxes for eight of the 10 years,” the Times reported.

That may be true, although White House spokespeople have said the report is not accurate, and the Times has not released the underlying documents or explained the sources of its information. But the bigger contention of the article–that the tax records show Trump is not the artful dealmaker he purports to be–is not supported by the evidence presented.

The article’s most basic problem is that it assumes that the losses Trump reported on his taxes are actual economic losses. But that’s highly unlikely due to the nature of his business. As a real estate investor, Trump was not in a position of a store owner selling inventory below cost and incurring operating losses. Instead, he would have been reducing his reported income by the amount of his interest payments on loans and the depreciation of the property he owned.’

The article then shows how it works.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2019/05/08/carney-how-the-new-york-times-misread-trumps-tax-bills/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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September 29, 2020 8:17am
- G152
  
  Oh no.
  Tell me it aint so.
  The media lied about Trump.
  Maybe we should have a body, say we call it, I don’t know , the Press Council and use that to fine media when they tell porkies…
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:31am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Also Red, in their breathless assault on Trump over not paying tax, nobody, not even the Times itself, bothered to worry about the small fact that Trump is fighting the IRS over a tax refund he received. After all, to get a refund, you HAVE TO HAVE PAID THE TAX.
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:50am
  - Batman
    
    Yes the case seems to be that he received a massive refund due to his terrible management of the Casinos circa 1995.
    
    You get the refund on the basis of not realising any of the asset. Except he did in the form of shares in the new company.
    
    Ergo, potential tax fraud.
    
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    September 29, 2020 9:59am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Is anyone really surprised he is not very wealthy after 40 years of business failures?
      The only business he has succeeded in is role playing a businessman for a TV show.
      
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      September 29, 2020 10:22am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      $72m received in 2010 Batman, so unlikely to have anything at all to casino’s in 1995. You get a refund because you PAID the tax in the first instance. And you get a tax refund for having paid tax and not having the profit to support that paid tax.
      I would suggest that he overpaid in one year, had the balance transferred to a future year, and then made losses which allowed the overpaid tax to be refunded. The only way IRS could come after him is if they do believe there is an under or overstatement in his return, or if the return is fraudulent. Under or over statements have a 3-6 year statute of limitations. Fraudulent returns have no statute of limitations in the US. And its unlikely that Trump has filed a fraudulent tax return. His taxes will have been vetted by some pretty heavy hitters, and he would have relied on their expertise.
      
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      September 29, 2020 1:08pm
Frank the tank

A Wellington zephir and Auckland is cut in half. Some observations/light questions:

-Is now the sky path the most obsolete piece of infrastructure in NZ – surely it surpasses the Taranaki ewok village
-Will we now have 20-25 days of bridge closure per annum due to high winds in Auckland; or
-Is the structural integrity of the bridge a lot worse than they are letting on.
-How fucked is the western ring route going to get later today.

Today confirms Auckland is a third world city. Far from the most livable city in the world.
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September 29, 2020 8:18am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Many cities in China, smaller and larger, have better infrastructure than Auckland. They dont stop talking about it, consulting, planning, arguing, listening, – they just do it.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:31am
  - fernglas
    
    You have to live in a city other than Auckland to truly appreciate what a small backwater it is by world standards.
    
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    September 29, 2020 8:41am
  - igm
    
    What do you expect after electing a mayor who hugged and kissed Yasser Arafat?
    He is preoccupied with more important issues than menial infrasructure . . . he is important!
    
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    September 29, 2020 8:53am
  - cmm
    
    There are also no taniwha in China.
    Not even in the wet markets.
    
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    September 29, 2020 8:54am
    - Sacha
      
      And they have a lot of people willing to work –
      
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      September 29, 2020 9:36am
    - Nickc2
      
      Chinese cities don’t suffer from Mayor Goff syndrome.
      
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      September 29, 2020 9:37am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      They call them pangolins.
      
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      September 29, 2020 9:46am
  - MCos
    
    I haven’t been to China, but as with everywhere in Asia except Hong Kong & Singapore the tap water is undrinkable.
    Auckland has a comprehensive sewerage system, Chinese cities are working towards that end.
    
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    September 29, 2020 9:10am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Wellington’s comprehensive sewage system is world-class too, let’s not forget that.
      
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      September 29, 2020 10:25am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        ….except for where it is 100 years old, poorly maintained, and shit got into the harbour all summer?
        
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        September 29, 2020 11:19am
    - Frank the tank
      
      FMD is it comprehensive to have most our beaches closed due to Faecal contamination after a couple of brief showers. I’d hate to see a non-comprehensive sewage system in Auckland…..
      
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      September 29, 2020 11:47am
  - G152
    
    liebor mayor
    
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    September 29, 2020 9:32am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Bring back ‘Banksie’?
      
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      September 29, 2020 10:23am
- JackRabbit
  
  That and Covid will push more people to work away from the CBD. Which makes Labour/Greens light rail/train sets redundant.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:36am
- Simon
  
  “Is now the sky path the most obsolete piece of infrastructure in NZ ”
  
  A close second place would be the $5 billion CBD rail loop. People are working from home now. They dont need to drive as close as possible to the City and catch a bus or train in for the last bit.
  
  The CBD rail loop should be closed off. It will also remove the requirement of importing half of New Delhi to make the number work anyway.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:49am
- cmm
  
  In Auckland (and NZ in general), people get elected (ie. rewarded) for talking and not doing.
  
  In China there is no need to talk, but you better do. Someone stuffing up like Goff would have been executed four times over.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:56am
  - SGA
    
    In Auckland (and NZ in general), people get elected (ie. rewarded) for talking and not doing.
    
    To me, it seems that Auckland has never wanted to pay for the medium/long-term planning and projects that goes with being the sort of city it aspires to be. Like a bank that sees itself as too big to be allowed to fail, it would rather have the rest of us bail it out.
    (sorry, feeling a bit cynical this morning)
    
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    September 29, 2020 9:06am
  - MCos
    
    So you’re saying there’s no corruption in China?
    
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    September 29, 2020 9:12am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    You’re displaying all the symptoms of being a sinophile this morning cmm – or certainly a fan of the way their government “gets things done” anyway. You planning to relocate to China soon?
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:29am
    - cmm
      
      Sinophile? Certainly not.
      
      I don’t at all like their way of getting things done.
      Nor do I like the complete other end of the spectrum:Goff and co’s way of getting nothing done and allowing the taniwha to get in the way of everything until it sees enough gold.
      
      What I would like to see is somewhere in the middle: sufficient public oversight without rolling over for the taniwha.
      
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      September 29, 2020 2:00pm
  - IC5000
    
    > In China there is no need to talk, but you better do. Someone stuffing up like Goff would have been executed four times over.
    
    That’s why their stats are fake. If they know they be purged or executed they just say whatever their superior wants them to say and on it goes. If this system is so superior to NZ then vote with your feet. Just don’t drink the tap water.
    
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    September 29, 2020 11:19am
    - theoldbloke
      
      I am guessing by your remarks you havent been to China!! In most cities tap water is fine.
      
      and yes I have been to China many tmes over the last 20 years.
      
      Dont judge the people by their leaders.
      Jacinda? Goff? Kiwis?
      I rest my case
      
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      September 29, 2020 4:57pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Ah, true socialism ™ Very true CMM, so there is an upside.
    
    A few more incompetent officials buried in trenches might be a start. For the good of the Party, Comrade.
    
    Twyford wouldn’t have lasted till March 2018!
    
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    September 29, 2020 11:21am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Well according to the “rankings” Auckland is behind Melbourne in terms being a livable city, so I wouldn’t read too much into the rankings.
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:11am
  - OTGO
    
    Well according to the “rankings” Auckland is behind Melbourne in terms being a liberal city, so I wouldn’t read too much into the rankings.
    Fixed it for ya.
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:37am
- Interested Party
  
  That would make all the other cities in NZ fifth world. I suspect you have never lived in another modern world city or 3rd world city for that matter.
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:59am
- chukar
  
  F T,
  Nope ,the plan is to get the rest of the NZ to pay for a new bridge plus an undersea tunnel
  Auckland is entitled don’t you know?
  
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  September 29, 2020 11:22am
Natfan08

Guy’s call me crazy…but I seem to one of the very few that think that National can actually WIN this election.

The trend of the last election (and previous elections before it) is that the polling numbers between the two major parties ALWAYS tighten up as we get closer to the election so based on that:
1. Labour’s numbers will drop (they have already dropped from 60% to 47% including a 5% drop in the latest poll)

2. National’s numbers will increase (Judith is just getting started…watch this space).

3. In this particular election NZF and Greens will go under the 5% threshold (NZ First are toast and remember the Greens always poll 1% to 2% lower on election day)

4. This leaves ACT to be in a very good position to be Kingmaker and obviously they are going to go with National aren’t they.

It all comes down to this – if the Greens are gone (and I believe they will get under 5%), then you’re writing off 10% and therefore splitting the 90% that’s left.

So with that in mind, Does Labour have close to 45%? Yes. Does National and ACT have close to 45%? Yes…at that point it’s anyone’s game.

Yes it’s possible for Labour to govern alone on 45% but that’s pretty much heading to the bare minimum that Labour can go with no Greens to help them. If they go to 43% (and with no Greens to support them) then it’s game over for Labour.

Also keep in mind that no party in the history of MMP has ever governed alone.
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September 29, 2020 8:20am
- Flossie
  
  I would so love this scenario to actually be what happens on the night! If I could wish for only one thing it would be no Greens. Prefer the Nats to win though.
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:05am
- Loddenthinks
  
  All good points and well-made. May be a bit of a stretch to turf the Greens out – if anything was going to hurt them it was Shaw’s corruption and hypocrisy over the Green School. But we already know “it’s different when the left do it” and the ladies of Remuera, Karori and Fendalton evidently care little for such matters.
  
  To answer your question – no, you’re not the only one who believes there can be a change of government next month.
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:36am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Those ladies and esp their hubbies care a great deal about money though. They might say ‘Greens’ in front of their friends and teenage offspring, but there is no way they want the Envy Tax on their homes and investments.
    
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    September 29, 2020 11:00am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Oh they don’t worry about that; they have more than enough accountants, lawyers and family trusts to hide everything that Robbo might want to get his grubby little fingers on.
      
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      September 29, 2020 3:25pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Of course National can win. It’s highly unlikely but possible. If the Greens miss out and Labour support drops, National and ACT together could edge ahead. If we had some bacon we could have bacon and eggs if we had some eggs.
  
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  September 29, 2020 11:24am
- Lee C
  
  I think they [Nats/Act] will win by two seats and have said so for aeons now mate.
  
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  September 29, 2020 11:39am
Centrist

Interesting that the winter energy payment runs out in the school holidays during the South Island’s coldest week of the year.

I personally think that in order to save money it should be geographically (climatically) means tested and no one north of the desert road should receive it. No one in the winterless far north should get a cent extra for winter heating as the temp is so mild up there. Anyway, the govt should promise to eradicate the payment as NZ doesn’t need any heating due to global warming (sarc).
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September 29, 2020 8:26am
- Lance
  
  I thought everyone south of the Bombay hills was so tough they ate nails for breakfast, or was that just a lie?
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:32am
Inandout

You can’t win with the crazy leftists no matter what you do, or what children you adopt.
https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/5f7216909c700521449ad701
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September 29, 2020 8:29am
- Classic Liberal
  
  I’m wondering how this is going down with some left leaning white Americans I know who have wonderful black children.
  
  The whole leftist BLM riots and identity politics thinking must be terrible for mixed race families.
  
  Identity politics are the most regressive step I’ve seen in my lifetime.
  
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  September 29, 2020 11:07am
Nukuleka

Is ACT tone deaf or not? Last night they sent out an email listing their candidates who might make it into parliament given their spike in polling, telling us that their number 2, Brooke van Velden, is to ACT what Chloe Swarbrick is to the Greens. Really? According to ACT Swarbrick is, apparently, ‘smart, liberal and likeable’- but just lack the economics degree that van Velden has. Sorry ACT. Swarbrick is an off the wall gender- bender flake and if ACT seriously wants us to vote for them then making glowing comparisons between van Velden and Swarbrick is going to make potential ACT voters run a mile in the opposite direction.
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September 29, 2020 8:31am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps not all potential ACT voters share your particular prejudices about sexuality.
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:25am
artemisia

A very strange photo on the Herald home page. Under the byline of Claire Trevett the photo is a side-by-side of of Ms Ardern and Ms Collins. Nothing unusual about that.

Except that the former is fuzzy and a weird expression against a blue background. The latter is clear with an open expression against a black background.

The actual article is behind the paywall but the home page pic is not on the click through, at least the segment displayed.

Since journalists read Kiwiblog, quite possible the home page pic will disappear in 3… 2…
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September 29, 2020 8:40am
EuropeanCanon

The news media is absolutely ecstatic about Joe Biden’s triumphant performance in tomorrow’s presidential debate.
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September 29, 2020 8:48am
cmm

Have National stopped being the grown ups in the room?

Yesterday National announced a zero goal for suicides. What bollocks. This is just rainbow unicorn thinking.

We mocked the hell out of JAG for saying that about road deaths a few years ago. We should mock the hell out of Collins for this statement too.

Trying to out-hugz PriNZess is a completely broken strategy. She owns that space. This is a lazy strategy and it will not work.

The choice is between grownups and not grown ups. National won’t get there until they start playing the grown up card better.
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September 29, 2020 8:53am
- Simon
  
  “National won’t get there until they start playing the grown up card better.”
  
  Its a race between the Clown Show and Clown Show lite.
  
  One party system. Thats why so many National supporters have TDS. Trump aint part of the One party system.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:58am
  - Batman
    
    Yes, Trump is part of the Mob Party.
    
    The line is pretty clear for anyone with a moral compass.
    
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    September 29, 2020 9:56am
    - All_on_Red
      
      “Mob Party”
      Tell us more
      ?
      And use citations for a change since your opinion is worthless
      
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      September 29, 2020 1:01pm
- herb1
  
  The problem is they need the votes of the ill informed and deluded who think this is a good idea.
  You have to get elected to implement your ideas .
  Its called swallowing your own vomit
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:07am
- Libertarians are right
  
  While I agree with you, sometimes you still have to play the game despite it being rigged.
  The actual suicide “experts” have come out over the last few years and backed the zero goal so anything less from National will hurt them. People are absolutely terrified at the moment so will believe anything that “experts” tell them (even though it’s an irrational fear caused by “experts”).
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:07am
  - cmm
    
    If you just do what “experts” tell you then that is not leadership.
    
    Leadership means challenging the experts.
    
    If all MPs are going to do is rubber stamp the experts, then we don’t need MPs. Just let the experts run everything.
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:00am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      And then take the credit?
      
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      September 29, 2020 2:51pm
- Okahu
  
  That announcement also begs the question, is assisted suicide suicide? Because if it is, Nats have just decided to oppose 60+% of the electorate. Dumb unicorn thinking.
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:16am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I think you make a fair point. Assisted suicide is suicide though I support the bill.
    
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    September 29, 2020 11:28am
- burt
  
  It’s crap eh, next they will promise to end homelessness in 4 weeks and eliminade child poverdy.
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:20am
- cmm
  
  There’s that saying in selling:
  Sell the sizzle, not the steak.
  
  In the time I’ve been in NZ (last 28 years) there hasn’t really been a lot of difference between National and Labour policies (ie. the steak) and if you printed them both out on white paper with no hints, most voters would not be able to tell them apart.
  
  Where they have differed is in how they sell the sizzle. National will, generally, say they are fact driven etc while Labour go more for the emotional stuff and hand outs.
  
  Now it seems National is cloning the Labour sizzle too.
  
  Sorry National, it looks fake trying to out-Labour Labour.
  
  It’s like what Coke did to try push Pepsi out of the market by Pepsi-fying Coke. They ended up with a huge backlash and had to back pedal and come out with the Coke Classic branding.
  
  Is it time for National Classic?
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:40am
  - burt
    
    It’s time we had politicians who were leading the country rather than just mindlessly throwing our own money at us to be popular.
    
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    September 29, 2020 9:48am
    - cmm
      
      Quite burt
      
      We pay them. They are our employees. They should be working for us.
      Instead they are working for themselves.
      
      There is no other industry that acts this way. If people acted they way MPs do in a company they’d be fired pretty quickly.
      
      It is unacceptable what they call debating: sledging eachother, using clever tricks to avoid answering questions etc etc. Anywhere else that’s unacceptable and would get you fired.
      
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      September 29, 2020 9:53am
      - IC5000
        
        > There is no other industry that acts this way. If people acted they way MPs do in a company they’d be fired pretty quickly.
        
        Wrong as usual. Look how the finance and banking industry operates. Clearly you need to read more.
        
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        September 29, 2020 11:21am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Look how the finance and banking industry operates’
        
        Do tell us more. You must have YUGE experience in finance and banking- right?
        
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        September 29, 2020 3:02pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Agreed. That sentiment is shared by 8% of us: Vote ACT
      
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      September 29, 2020 9:55am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    There are big differences. Not least, Robbo has control of the cheque book and has $100,000,000 lined up from the Reserve Bank. That’s our people’s credit for the future–not to be wasted on vote buying.
    
    The USA is getting concerned (the smarter, discerning ones) about inflation getting away in them. That’s to be expected when Zimbabe prints more money and other copy them. It follows that others will get the price consequences too.
    
    NZ remembers well the pain inflicted when we had price controls to bring a previous Labour inflicted wage/price spiral under control.
    Letting this present COL continue is going to bring that again or worse, we don’t regain control over money supply and prices.
    
    The peasants can only have it all when they have freedom to produce, keep and prosper. Know-it-all govts are proven to only work for those at their top and the rest of the community become slaves. Look at the former USSR model–who got rich?
    
    ☑️☑️Honest government for the people.☑️☑️
    
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    September 29, 2020 9:59am
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      only 1billion? Think youre out a tad on your figures
      
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      September 29, 2020 10:12am
    - Local Miller
      
      I think you missed a few zeros there, that should be “Robbo has control of the cheque book and has $100 Billion lined up from the Reserve Bank”
      
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      September 29, 2020 10:40am
- Flossie
  
  What’s wrong with a goal? Would you prefer they say that there’s no chance of doing anything about it (suicide) ?
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:09am
- DeepBlue
  
  I’ll go against the flow here. The announcement was zero-suicide strategy.
  
  Which to me says National will fund and plan as if suicide prevention is of critically importance over and above all other mental health goals that could be set. You get the structure for suicide prevention right and as a byproduct you catch the other mental health issues on the way.
  
  So I like that approach. I think a strategy that plans for an acceptable number of suicides is wrong. People will still die as we try but we did try.
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:22am
- Local Miller
  
  No, they didn’t announce a “zero goal”. Zero Goal is a system/model that aims to reduce suicide rates. National have announced that they would implement this model, which has been implemented in a number of other countries, including parts of the USA and Australia as far as I can see.
  Of course the press just heard “zero goal” & suicide and assumed National were a dumb as Liebour.
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:35am
- kowtow
  
  Collins did the same with Covid .
  
  “I won’t let it in” , big call and very silly.
  
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  September 29, 2020 12:21pm
I remember when

It is a little unfair talking about closures of the Auckland Harbour Bridge.
Who would ever expect that the higher a structure was above surrounding features – the more exposed it would be to strong winds?
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September 29, 2020 8:55am
Catgurl13

Apparently the Maori party want benefits lifted to $25hr or $1000 wk. Claiming that Maori are more disadvantaged than others if course. What planet are they on?
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September 29, 2020 9:01am
- KevO'Brien
  
  They need lessons in basic economic facts. 1975 saw a landslide against Labour as the women domestic managers knew that Labour couldn’t be trusted to keep prices under control.
  
  Other are concerned elsewhere too aand ther problems will also become ours.
  https://www.zerohedge.com/political/we-dont-need-higher-minimum-wage-we-need-fix-our-money
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:05am
- alloytoo
  
  It would appear that the Maori Party wishes to foster the soft bigotry of low expectations.
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:19am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Catgurl, that’s so crazy. Why bother working, saving, investing? Greens think our assets belong to them, and all these leftards think people should be paid to sit at home and worse: keep having children.
  
  Act’s policy on benefits makes sense. It would motivate people to work, lower middle income tax would create jobs, and their policy would discourage repeated sole parenthood.
  
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  September 29, 2020 11:39am
  - Catgurl13
    
    On top of the Jabbacindy just announced 1k grants for dental work for people on Benes.
    
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    September 29, 2020 12:37pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Bad teeth are seriously destructive on entire health though. And I prefer direct assistance to handing out money. And this could be a one-off huge improvement that will improve health and cost us less in the long term plus give people better employment opportunities.
      
      Of all the type of welfare assistance one can give, this isn’t the worst idea.
      
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      September 29, 2020 1:56pm
- Centrist
  
  I’m no fan of the current Maori Party (they were quite sane under Flavell and co. a few years ago) but they want a minimum WAGE (not benefit) of $25 per hour (1K per week for 40 hours). It is still completely nuts mind you.
  
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  September 29, 2020 1:53pm
Raphael

Project Veritas has managed to expose Ilhan Omar being involved in a massive mail-in voter fraud.
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/ilhan-omar-connected-cash-for-ballots-voter-fraud-scheme-corrupts-elections/

* Ballot Harvester Liban Mohamed: “Money is Everything. Money is the King in this World. If You Got No Money, You Should Not Be Here, Period. You Know What I am Saying? Money is Everything and a Campaign is Managed By Money.”
* Mohamed: “Numbers Do Not Lie. Numbers Do Not Lie. You Can See My Car is Full. All These Here Are Absentee Ballots. Can’t You See? Look at All These, My Car is Full.”
* Paid Voter: “When We Sign The Voting Document and They Fill It Out Is When They Give Us The Money,”… “The Minute We Signed The Thing [Ballot] For The Election. That’s When We Get paid.”
* Ballot Harvesting Triangle: River Plaza Apartments, Horn Towers seniors Community and 980 Hennepin Polling Site All Subject to Fraud
* Minneapolis Somali Community Insider: “It’s an Open Secret” … “She [Ilhan Omar] Will Do Anything That She Can Do To Get Elected and She [Omar] Has Hundreds of People on The Streets Doing That.”
* Seniors at Horn Towers Ballots Compromised; Harvester: We “Request” Ballots For The Seniors and Then Take Them Away.

https://www.newsweek.com/project-veritas-ilhan-omar-illegal-ballot-harvesting-1534555
https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/project-veritas-uncovers-ballot-harvesting-fraud-in-minnesota/
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September 29, 2020 9:06am
- MCos
  
  From the Newsweek article
  
  “Project Veritas has a history of dubious claims and doctored videos.“
  
  “There was instant skepticism of Project Veritas’ latest claim.“
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:17am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    To those on the other side of truth a torch is blinding.
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:06am
  - Raphael
    
    You mean the accusations that when have gone to the Supreme Court it’s been found that they haven’t?
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:12am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    There was instant panic from corrupt Dems paying ballot-harvesters to rig the elections, you mean. Project Veritas saw this coming (as did most thinking people with their eyes open) and set up a project – Diamond Dog – to expose it.
    
    “Diamond Dog stings include exposing illegal voting by undocumented immigrants, ballot tampering at nursing homes, and the sale of information on absentee ballots and voter profiles on the “Dark Web.” One of Diamond Dog’s top priorities is infiltrating canvassing groups that gather absentee and mail-in ballots “from low-income, elderly, and minority groups,” which Project Veritas terms “ballot harvesting.””
    
    Thank goodness there are still people prepared to do the hard work to expose these crooks.
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:21am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Correct MCos. Project Veritas has a long record of being busted for its amateurish sting operations. videos.
    One of the best O’Keefe fuck-ups:
    https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/article_ab98765d-83a7-5b89-88fd-0414dae353f1.html
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:30am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    Mcos, they record people saying and doing things with no filter and then show it on YouTube so you can see what has happened and said for yourself. I mean, who would you believe? Your own eyes and ears or what vested leftist politicians tell you?
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:41am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I’m sure you’ll come up with a plausible explanation for why a former Houston Police Captain and now PI would file a false affidavit regarding widespread and fraudulent ballot-harvesting.
    
    https://nationalfile.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/AFFIDAVIT-OF-MARK-A.-AGUIRRE.pdf
    
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    September 29, 2020 11:07am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Crikey, it’s almost as if Trump was right all along about mail-in voter fraud. There’ll be a few heads exploding around here, I should think.
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:21am
- Interested Party
  
  Apparently only about 5 states have used mass mail voting for other elections, then fixed up the process. All the other states haven’t, so there’s going to be heaps of problems. The lawyers are going to be busy.
  Nb Each state manages its own voting system, it’s not one homogeneous country wide system
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:06am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Those states are run by responsible people, concerned with getting the correct result of a free and fair election. But even making sure the postal system works and everyone knows what to do is not the same as guaranteeing there will be no ballot-rigging.
    
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    September 29, 2020 3:33pm
- Brian Marshall
  
  I spent the time to watch the YouTube video of the fraud. It’s blatant voter fraud on a massive scale, and perpetuated by a Democrat and proves US President Donald Trump right, so I expect to see it all over the MSM.
  Sarc/
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:34am
lastmanstanding

The late POTUS JFK said”Ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your country”

As a member of the much hated and reviled WhiteMotherF…er Tribe I would like to know what I and the other members of the Tribe pay in tax in total and what we consume in total of the tax take.

It would be interesting to know what the results are for other Tribes.

Afterall the Left are consumed by Identity Politics so they would surely want to know…………………………………….maybe not.
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September 29, 2020 9:21am
- MCos
  
  ‘As a member of the much hated and reviled WhiteMotherF…er Tribe’
  
  Let’s not overplay the victim.
  I also am a whitey. Nobody has ever abused me for for being white. Once in a while I cope flak for being a boomer or criticizing some politician or whatever.
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:57am
I remember when

The flowering of the kowhai trees has lead to the great tui invasion.
As recently as two years ago, the flight of tui across the sky was something that you noticed. Now, in our neighbourhood, almost the only birds in the sky most of the time are tui.
Are tui now the kings of the avian world – even magpies seem to have made themselves scarce?
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September 29, 2020 9:24am
- Swifty
  
  I regularly watch and listen to half a dozen in the trees up the back of the garden.
  
  They’re a magic songster.
  
  I have noticed too that they can be pretty bolshie with other birds.
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:20am
- Lance
  
  I have seen them aggressively see off Myna birds.
  Not taking any shit seems to be a good strategy for survival.
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:37am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Tui are notoriously aggressive, and will defend a flowering or fruiting tree, or a small part of a large tree, from all-comers, whether another tui or another bird species. They vigorously chase other birds away from their feeding territory with loud whirring wings.
  http://www.nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/tui#:~:text=Behaviour%20and%20ecology,territory%20with%20loud%20whirring%20wings.
  
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  September 29, 2020 11:47am
Billy Collins

I don’t quite understand this whole Trump tax controversy. The NYT report says Trump paid $5.2mil, but is expected to get all by $750 back.

So he was willing to pay millions more in advance, literally 7000x how much he owed. Any business people here who are willing to put 7000x their tax in just in case?? How many people even have the means to do that? That, to me, would indicate he has a lot of money. So, then, why are people saying that he isn’t that wealthy?
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September 29, 2020 9:36am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Because they understand nothing about assets and smart accounting (eg legally using depreciatio, expenses, new investments) at that level of investment.
  
  Expenses of course will include huge numbers of salaries and fees to firms maintaining the buildings: ie a lot of his money is doing exactly what it should be doing: paying people to work.
  
  Styx laughs how the left can’t decide whether Trump is an evil exploiting landlord sucking tenants dry, or an unsuccessful hopeless landlord not charging enough to even make a profit.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaFy_LwNKiQ
  
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  September 29, 2020 12:06pm
wimpston peeeders

will joe biden contract corona in the next 24hrs?
Hes running outa time to make up a pathetic excuse to stay in the basement and not face trump.
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September 29, 2020 9:37am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps that simply means he is fronting for the debate then. Or is that not something you are willing to believe?
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:33am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Well he’s had 180 years to plan for it…
    
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    September 29, 2020 12:09pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I wouldn’t take that bet, he is going to have to do something to get out of it!
  
  Maybe a dreadful accident with a lemon peeler? or citrus zester? Food poisoning from his aragula salad?
  
  Or go bold and say he ate blowfish sushi with his posse for kicks and got a bad one, down at the Hood, while rapping with his main men 2pac and cornpop, and throwing a few hoops.
  
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  September 29, 2020 11:47am
- MCos
  
  Trump might have another stroke.
  
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  September 29, 2020 1:30pm
Benedict Yu

I see that a significant (but not unusual) Spring snow event is now a “weather bomb”.

It is a fake term by the mainstream media in New Zealand to get more clicks.
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September 29, 2020 9:39am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Who would have thought that occasionally, like every year, there are a couple of cold spells at the end of Sept, through to mid October.
  
  Complete surprise! Just like last year…. and the year before…
  
  trusted journalism ™
  
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  September 29, 2020 11:45am
  - RJ
    
    We have been having bouts of cold weather for a few years leaving snow on the hills in December. The media keeps telling us how hot it is here each summer, but it isn’t. I’ve struggled with some of the vegetable garden because of the cold summers the past few years.
    
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    September 29, 2020 2:26pm
- MCos
  
  Listening to various people on the spot talking on the wireless, this doesn’t sound like a yearly event
  Those people down there aren’t given to propagating fake news.
  
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  September 29, 2020 1:29pm
Poppa

Just a question…..

If the leader of NZ1 got his mate in the Labour party to get the SFO decision delayed, would that be corrupt?

Asking for a friend
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September 29, 2020 10:08am
- MCos
  
  Of course it would.
  Political interference in a prosecution is a serious business as Maurice Williamson found out.
  
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  September 29, 2020 1:24pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122918111/election-2020-mori-party-announces-treaty-settlement-programme-including-new-parliament

I want to say something about this but honestly cannot find the right words.
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September 29, 2020 10:13am
- Gravelroad
  
  What happened to all the Treaty settlement monies that have already been distributed?
  It will never be enough.
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:37am
  - Catgurl13
    
    All that money is used up by the fatcats that are the leading from the top of those tribes. They have lavish lifestyles,nice houses,cars etc while the rest if the tribe get nothing. They rip their own people off,but their own people can’t see it.
    
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    September 29, 2020 11:05am
- Local Miller
  
  I had the privilege to do a few years of community service alongside a young lady who was a relatively close cousin of John Tamihere. She told me in no uncertain terms that the majority of Maori, and particularly the family felt he was an embarrassment to Maori and they wanted nothing to do with him or the Maori Party.
  I know, it’s only one data point but it was very interesting.
  
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  September 29, 2020 10:59am
  - Catgurl13
    
    Very interesting!
    
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    September 29, 2020 12:38pm
- Dave Mann
  
  @greybeard: If you’re thinking of the same kind of words that I’m thinking of, maybe what you are thinking of wouldn’t pass the Mods?
  
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  September 29, 2020 11:12am
- graham
  
  It doesn’t surprise me, the current Maori Party seems to be radically different from previous incarnations – with emphasis on the radical part.
  
  EVERYONE should take a good look at their policies, which include:
  
  – Renaming New Zealand to Aotearoa by 2026
  – Rewriting the place names on New Zealand maps
  – Auditing the public service on its cultural competence
  – Requiring state broadcasters to have basic te reo Maori fluency
  – Demanding that all government funding for projects over the next two years guarantee 25% Maori direct resourcing
  – Demanding that all schools have Maori in their staff senior leadership teams
  – Demanding that fifty percent of all new social housing must be allocated to Maori
  – And now a separate Parliament in charge of $20 billion
  
  Seriously, I strongly recommend that everyone visit the Maori Party website and look at their policies. You will be stunned.
  
  Any Government that includes this current Maori Party in its current radical state will set race relations in this country back 80 years.
  
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  September 29, 2020 11:22am
  - Swifty
    
    They have to be radical to be attractive enough to attract voters back from Labour, I guess.
    
    Not my cup of tea.
    
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    September 29, 2020 1:21pm
- mandk
  
  Here are two words that encapsulate what the Maori Party seems to want:
  
  Apartheid and Bantustans.
  
  They are complete and utter lunatics.
  
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  September 29, 2020 11:23am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Utu is still on the agenda. If they can get something by stealth at your expense that’s culturally acceptable to them. Caveat emptor is childlike by comparison.
  
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  September 29, 2020 11:35am
- Nickc2
  
  What part of FUCK OFF does’nt Tamahere understand?
  
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  September 29, 2020 11:43am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Unending Grievances? If the Nats come out and quash this now, they could swing enough votes to win this thing.
  
  Labour would either have to agree, and risk their hold on the Maori Seats, or come out in support, which would cost them the election.
  
  Judith, you know what to do.
  
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  September 29, 2020 11:46am
  - Dave Mann
    
    YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES
    
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    September 29, 2020 12:31pm
    - Nickc2
      
      GO GIRL!!!!
      
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      September 29, 2020 12:47pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  “ ending the cap on settlements, abolishing full-and-final settlements and buying back land for whānau, hapū and iwi.”
  
  Plus 20 billion a year to handed over to Maori to spend as they like.
  
  But who counts as ‘Maori’? Settlements so far have been based on tribes who owned something (in itself not fair to tribes enslaved and robbed by other tribes).
  
  That’s one thing, but this endless grievance industry will destroy people’s trust in private property ownership. Add the Greens’ Envy Tax to that: ordinary Kiwis really own nothing.
  
  When are part-Maori Kiwis who just want a normal successful life going to put their foot down? Enough of all this racial division.
  
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  September 29, 2020 12:21pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  Sounds like they want a civil war
  
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  September 29, 2020 1:29pm
Swifty

Some nice tributes from the good people of Croydon for the late Sgt. Matt Ratana:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STVkFdUF278&feature=youtu.be

I say again what a terribly tragic waste.
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September 29, 2020 10:17am
rockape

I could live with this as long as they raise the 20 billion from taxing Maori and don’t use our health or education funding or the benefits they thrive on. As for the treaty, tear it up , it’s not needed if Maori are autonomus .
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September 29, 2020 10:31am
oldfella

Pauline Hanson supports academic freedom! Go, girl. 🙂
SJW heads explode (as seen in the comments).

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/protect-educators-one-nation-gets-academic-freedom-change-in-return-for-vote-20200928-p55zxl.html
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September 29, 2020 10:36am
PaulDunmore

Stuff’s continuing ignorance of economics and business – Tuesday edition.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/122880222/how-much-will-climate-change-cost-our-biggest-companies
The sample case is AirNZ: “In a scenario where the carbon price hits $55 in 2030, Air New Zealand would have an annual revenue hit of 4 per cent. … In the most extreme scenario, of a $200 price in 2050, the revenue hit would be as high as 14 per cent.”
Translation: AirNZ will have to raise prices by 4% in 2030 or 14% in 2050 to pay for its emissions costs (unless the Government changes the rules in the mean time). Given how much prices fluctuate year-to-year for all kinds of reasons, will anyone notice?
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September 29, 2020 11:24am
Jack5

What does ACC know about running a technology company?

According to the Herald today, ACC, which owns 15.8 per cent of Syft, is behind a power play that has led to the resignation of Syft’s chief executive, the entrepreneurial Doug Hastie, who is also behind Chanui Tea.

Christchurch firm Syft makes, in our lay folks’ terms, electronic sniffer technology, or in its own words, “selected Ion Flow Tube Mass Spectrometry (SIFT-MS)” products.

Hastie, who has an engineering degree and an MBA from Yale, resigned as chief executive after being voted off the Syft board at the company’s annual meeting.

The Herald technology reporter, Chris Keall, writes that Hastie, with a 15.4 per cent stake, is Syft’s second biggest shareholder.

The shareholders’ vote on directors that dropped Hastie, writes Keall, ” followed manoeuvrings that saw ACC head of private markets Martin Goldfinch lose his Syft board seat in April last year.”

Syft, using “smeller” technology developed by scientists at Canterbury University, idled along for years. It got through almost $30 million of investor capital until Hastie was put in as chief executive, according to the newspaper. Now its equipment is used by big car makers in America, by Samsung in Korea and a chip maker in Taiwan.
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September 29, 2020 11:25am
JSelway

Ahh Kiwiblog.
Where Jacinda Ardern is a lair but Trump “Politicans always lie, ain’t no big deal”
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September 29, 2020 11:43am
- RJ
  
  Awww, feel better now? Does mummy know you’re on her computer
  
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  September 29, 2020 12:29pm
- calendar girl
  
  ‘liar’ rather than ‘lair’?
  
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  September 29, 2020 3:22pm
Surely Knott

Some idiot escapes isolation with a rope.
We should be:
1. Naming the escapees in the media. Why do they deserve name suppression.
2. Charge all visitors a $15,000 up front refundable isolation bond. And then instead of taking them to court, charge a bond that will be refunded if they follow the rules. They should sign a form with clear terms and conditions.
3. The guards has just made it a game for some idiots who want to escape. Put the consequences back on the individual.
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September 29, 2020 11:46am
- fernglas
  
  1) They usually are named
  2) This is not a visitor, he is a deportee.
  3) From now on, all the guards will also be alert for chaps walking about dropping dirt from their trouser legs, building ramps and doing up a motorcycle, and answering for others at roll call
  
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  September 29, 2020 12:48pm
RJ

Hmm, so on ZB national voters are thinking about voting labour to keep the greens out. You stupid bloody idiots, how did voting Winston last time work for you
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September 29, 2020 11:56am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Listening to ZB won’t be helping their reasoning skills.
  
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  September 29, 2020 1:14pm
graham

Looks like Stuff is starting a new campaign to position themselves as the trust-worthy, serious, completely professional, high quality voice of reason. Yesterday they published their new code of conduct, today I see the byline for a story on Covid-19 reads:

A trusted, credible voice is particularly important in the face of rampant misinformation. We tackle some of most common misunderstandings about where Covid-19 came from.

Unfortunately for Stuff, most people have seen so much partisan, biased, woke, SJW nonsense from them over the past few years that they simply aren’t going to be able to read such crap without spitting their coffee out over their keyboard.

Ah well, dreams are free, Stuff …
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September 29, 2020 11:57am
- RJ
  
  Yet you seem to keep going there and reading their crap
  
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  September 29, 2020 12:14pm
  - graham
    
    Nope. I keep going there and reading the occasional articles that are actually of interest (although a good proportion of those come from third-parties).
    
    I just skip over the crap – fortunately the headline is usually enough to give it away.
    
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    September 29, 2020 12:53pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      They get paid for every click. We could archive articles before posting links.
      
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      September 29, 2020 1:23pm
chukar

Greybeard.
The division in this wonderful country NZ is continuing.
From “godzone “ it is changing to just another small miserable bankrupt country in the South Pacific.

This change is being caused by people trying to advantage themselves on historical and other mostly spurious grounds rather than relying on their own ability to contribute.
They have no regard for others.
New Zealand needs a JFK to tell us again.” Ask not what our country can do for us, ask what we can do for our country.”
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September 29, 2020 12:09pm
Critical Thinker

Trump Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize for a THIRD Time ??

A group of Australian law professors have given President Trump his third Nobel Peace Prize nomination for his commitment to ending foreign wars.

“He is guided by two things, which seem to be absent from so many politicians. He has firstly common sense and he is only guided by a national interest, and therefore, in our circumstances, an interest in the Western alliance.

What he has done with the Trump Doctrine is that he has decided that he would no longer have America involved in endless wars, wars which achieve nothing, but the killing of thousands of young Americans and enormous debts imposed on America.”
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2020/09/28/trump-nominated-for-nobel-peace-prize-for-third-time-n2577092

Why did it take a political outsider to finally deliver the start of peace in the Middle East? ?
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September 29, 2020 12:20pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  Reagan, Bush Government Officials Endorse Trump, Citing Foreign Policy Accomplishments
  
  In an open letter, 70 former officials, including governors, senators, national security advisers, military generals and ambassadors from the Trump, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, Reagan, Nixon and Ford administrations, lauded the president for pursuing a “strong foreign and national security policy in America’s interests.”
  
  “We believe that a president’s duty and loyalty are owed, first and foremost, to the American people, and not the international community, which is consistent with strengthening our alliances and friendships.
  
  President Trump has, in less than four years, achieved a remarkable number of successes on behalf of our nation. His opponents bristle at his methods, but the scoreboard speaks for itself. America is winning and we want to keep winning — therefore, we urge our fellow Americans to vote for Donald Trump.
  
  President Trump’s foreign policy has strengthened America’s national security, advanced the cause of peace in the Middle East, and has held the Chinese, Russian and Iranian governments accountable.”
  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/reagan-bush-officials-endorse-trump-citing-foreign-policy-accomplishments
  
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  September 29, 2020 12:40pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Do you realise that any one of thousands of parliamentarians and academics aroud the world can nominate anyone for the Nobel Peace Prize? Last year there were 500 nominations. The 2020 prize will most probably go to an individual or organisation of which you have never heard.
  
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  September 29, 2020 1:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jaspinda nominates Mike
    
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    September 29, 2020 5:57pm
Belinda

This is rubbish
Ive just heard the newsreader on TV one refer to NZ women as Wahines.
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September 29, 2020 12:22pm
- Flossie
  
  Enough! It’s getting totally over the top.
  
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  September 29, 2020 1:22pm
- krazykiwi
  
  My iPhone is now telling me that cellular service is provided by some outfit calling itself “VF Aotearoa”. I had signed up with “VF New Zealand”. Perhaps they novated the services agreement.
  
  Still, it beats my iPhone telling me to “Be Kind” or “Stay Strong”. Mercifully, that has stopped.
  
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  September 29, 2020 1:44pm
- Pharmachick
  
  I think you misheard, surely they were referring to the shipping disaster circa 1968…
  
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  September 29, 2020 1:47pm
  - Belinda
    
    No it was a story about Wahines with endometriosis.
    I guess they havent invented the maori word for endometriosis yet.
    
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    September 29, 2020 2:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My NZ Woman partner is 23% coconut, how can she possibly be Wahine?
  
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  September 29, 2020 5:58pm
Critical Thinker

So Sweden didn’t lock down and will as predicted likely end the year with zero or negative excess mortality ??
https://twitter.com/TLennhamn/status/1310494815717556224/photo/1

So why are we still tolerating these Scamdemic Lockdowns? ?
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September 29, 2020 1:10pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Their 2019 figure is interesting. In my research I’ve been turning up countries with below average ILI mortalities in elderly people in their 2019 year. This suggests more of them lived longer, only to die from Covid-19 the following year.
  
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  September 29, 2020 1:40pm
adaman

Greens want to ban all petrol car imports by 2030.

In other words, they want poor/middle class NZers stuck with old crusty cars as they sure as hell won’t be able to afford electric vehicles. Or what will happen is that poor/middle class Kiwis will have to go into much worse debt than otherwise just to afford the EV relative to a cheap petrol vehicle.
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September 29, 2020 1:18pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  They want everyone else in overcrowded cities, using public transport and bicycles. Only they, the elite, will afford electric cars.
  
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  September 29, 2020 1:36pm
cas

The Greens are barking mad with their transport policy. They want me to ride to the supermarket over 7 km on an unsafe state highway and ride 7 km home balancing my carton of beer on the handlebars, with the potatoes in my backpack. How many of them live rurally?
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September 29, 2020 1:24pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  They’re living in their own little dream world. $1.5 billion dollars for – wait for it – 5 metre wide cycleways! LOL. And their “vision” of “high speed” rail connecting regional towns with major cities, at “up to 160 km/hr” by 2035! If you said this to anyone in Europe or Japan, they’d laugh at you. The Greens aspiration is to have us at the rail version of the donkey and cart in 15 years.
  
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  September 29, 2020 3:32pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Story checks out – they want commerce (in particular agriculture) to literally be in the donkey and cart era. Solidarity Brothers!
    
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    September 29, 2020 4:06pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      And they are not even Amish
      
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      September 29, 2020 6:01pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  “The Greens are barking mad”
  
  the rest is just filler.
  
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  September 29, 2020 4:12pm
- kowtow
  
  They’ve seen that’s how it’s done in the third world , so would work here …….
  
  But , comrade I don’t want to ride a bike .
  
  Comrade come the revolution you won’t have a choice.
  
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  September 29, 2020 6:27pm
Swifty

Every New Zealander should regard with cold indifference any political party who promises them ‘free’ things:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12368817

If it was up to me I’d make it illegal to use that word in party policies.

Nothing comes free.

If you choose to make something free for some, it merely means that others are bearing the cost.
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September 29, 2020 1:34pm
DeepBlue

Keep it coming Greens, at least we know where some of the Wealth Tax will be spent.

‘Greens plan to connect provinces, major cities via rapid passenger rail’.

Labour must be thinking Greens just shut the F*** Up.
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September 29, 2020 1:39pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Passenger Rail – the biggest sponge of Government subsidies all over the world.
  Greens wouldn’t care that rail can never pay for itself – they love using other peoples money for their vanity/virtual signal projects.
  
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  September 29, 2020 4:45pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  The dimwitted James Shaw was on HPDA trying to defend the Greens policy of having a harbour tunnel that only carries rail and no cars. Apart from the fact there’s no rail infrastructure on the North Shore to connect anyone to said tunnel, cars are apparently going to continue to use a 60+ year old bridge that is already falling to bits and closes whenever the wind picks up. HELLO JAMES, WAKEY WAKEY! Ever heard of a single point of failure? I can see it now – an accident on the bridge and all the second hand, clapped-out Leafs the Greens will have people driving will be stuck in a traffic jam with their batteries running flat.
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:45pm
Bobba Fret

This headline makes me feel a bit sick.
Deputy PM James Shaw!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/deputy-pm-james-shaw-not-out-of-the-realm-of-possibility-says-james-shaw/ar-BB19vOJH?ocid=msedgntp
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September 29, 2020 1:44pm
- cmm
  
  Hopefully what IS out of the realm of possibility is Greens having any say in the matter.
  
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  September 29, 2020 2:05pm
  - adaman
    
    It’s at this point where you want either the preferred option which is no Greens in parliament or the second option based on current polling is Labour majority.
    
    A Labour majority whilst still bad would be enough to shift enough swing voters back to National come 2023. Also no loony Greens involved in Government.
    
    Still hoping that Greens get knocked out and Labour slips in vote enough for NACT to squeak through. Highly unlikely but one can hope.
    
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    September 29, 2020 2:13pm
- mandk
  
  I believe that is wishful thinking on Shaw’s part.
  
  Even if the Greens get back into Parliament and are in a position to force Labour into a coalition deal, there is no guarantee that Shaw will retain his leadership. He’s not sufficiently left-wing for many Green activists, and he was made to look hypocritical over the private Green school shovel ready money fiasco.
  
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  September 29, 2020 2:32pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  I’d rather see Kelvin Davis as Deputy PM than James Shaw. Kelvin is basically an ineffectual dim-bulb, whereas Shaw is a dangerous Green loon, ready to unleash all sorts of idiotic policies and bring in communist envy taxes to fund them.
  
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  September 29, 2020 3:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Davis as Deputy would make Jaspinda so happy. Mao Zedong happy, comrades
    
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    September 29, 2020 6:03pm
- Flossie
  
  Why couldn’t it be co-Deputy PM Marama Davidson? They claim to be so equal opportunity!
  
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  September 29, 2020 3:25pm
Swifty

“If Jesus were alive today he would be a cannabis smoker….”

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CNL7v_1601310081
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September 29, 2020 1:47pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX22iXD576o

Steve Drazkowski Drops The Hammer on Omar.

Voter fraud in Minnesota will be investigated. Ilhan Omar will
be the main subject. There is evidence of systemic voter fraud.
There have been ethics complaints for the last five years. The
ever lovin , ever lying left say voter fraud is a myth. Rep
Drazkowski laid complaints in 2018. He has a website [omar.truth.com]
proejct Veritas was contacted. And they got the evidence of voter
fraud. There were three critical accusations. Votes were bought.
Ballots were harvested. There were irregularities at polling
booths. Rep Drazkowski has called on Attorney General Barr
to act.
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September 29, 2020 2:03pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkE7enmY3qo

Russia! Russia! ….. Oh, Never Mind.

The
Democrats have been robbed of a potential election
Issue. Putin called on the US, and Russia to engage
In a ‘professional expert dialogue’ guaranteeing non
Interference in each others internal affairs. There
Is to be a special focus on election activity.
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September 29, 2020 2:04pm
- Batman
  
  Irony is dead. Putin must be laughing all the way to his model girlfriend.
  
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  September 29, 2020 3:34pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Irony died when the premise of ‘Bart to the Future’ became reality.
    
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    September 29, 2020 4:44pm
skyblue

Flights to Oz from Nov 1?

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/exact-date-australias-borders-will-reopen-to-new-zealand-revealed/news-story/84f65f6a564312d206295560fa771300
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September 29, 2020 2:42pm
mandk

‘Euthanised’ is such a twee word in this context:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/122913044/internet-star-cone-dog-euthanised-after-biting-another-dog-in-christchurch

Was the dog that was killed suffering? Did it want to die?
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September 29, 2020 3:14pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  While it is more common to use the term when killing an animal that is sick or injured, all euthanised (or euthanased) means is to kill someody or something painlesly, so it was used correctly in this case. I think this is the first time in my life I’ve gone into bat for 1$uffed lol.
  
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  September 29, 2020 4:11pm
Flossie

I am quite annoyed not that the PM put a “cutesy” Neve Te Aroha’s lunchbox on social media with the comment that Clarke got up early and packed it, but the MSM doesn’t need to publish it
Seems keep families out of it, unless of course you might need a lick up in the polls.
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September 29, 2020 3:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I’m amazed that the Mods here have not given you a warning. Oh, that’s right, touchy/feely stuff is ok; but anything slightly negative is ‘offensive’
  
  [Mod. Note: If politicians choose to bring their families into the public media, then reasonable latitude is given for posters to comment. Not open slather, but reasonable response.]
  
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  September 29, 2020 6:11pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So, do as I say, not as I do?
    
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    September 30, 2020 7:51am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Sounds like she is just saying that Clarke is there. Why so desperate?
  
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  September 29, 2020 6:26pm
Loddenthinks

The Serious Fraud Office is expected to release the findings of its investigation into the NZ First Foundation at 5pm today.

Just off to get some popcorn.
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September 29, 2020 3:34pm
- skyblue
  
  While Winnie gets condoms.
  
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  September 29, 2020 3:46pm
- adaman
  
  Tova’s reporting that no MP is charged but potentially charges against two other people.
  
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  September 29, 2020 3:53pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Who says Peters is stupid? He will throw someone else under the bus like Daniel Andrews.
    
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    September 29, 2020 4:15pm
    - Batman
      
      He’s clearly lining up his two cronies to take the fall in the meantime.
      
      I’m sure he will claim he is cleared, just like he was ‘cleared’ by the Privileges Committee in 2008, and ‘not fired’ by Helen Clark and Jenny Shipley.
      
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      September 29, 2020 4:44pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Brian Henry the sacrificial lamb?
    It might test his loyalty to Peters.
    
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    September 29, 2020 4:42pm
ex-golfer

More lunacy from the Shane Jones slush fund:
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/pasifika-churches-gain-pgf-funding

Can someone please tell me how these hand-outs will create up to 400 jobs?

While we are at it: when are we going to insist that Churches start to pay tax?
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September 29, 2020 4:40pm
Batman

Yesterday some keen person posted a link to a project veritas video which claimed to show ballot harvesting by Ilhan Omar’s campaign.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, this is now starting to unravel as all bungled James O’keefe sting operations tend to be.

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/project-veritas-ilhan-omar-jamal-somaliaa-watchdog-group/

The more you know huh?
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September 29, 2020 4:49pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Like a fair chunk of the internet, the more one watches from places like Project Veritas, the less one knows.
  
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  September 29, 2020 5:00pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Said the guy who resources CNN, MSNBC, WP, play school TV1, – you get the idea
    
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    September 29, 2020 6:14pm
- RJ
  
  And the good news is that the police are now investigating the claims.
  
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  September 29, 2020 5:51pm
Batman

Oh and one more fun thing for the evening before the SFO news takes over.

https://twitter.com/MariaBartiromo/status/1310221953110888449?s=19
Breaking news: NO John durham interim report. No indictments before election – Bartiromo sources. @SundayFutures @FoxNews @MorningsMaria @FoxBusiness
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September 29, 2020 4:50pm
- RJ
  
  Breaking, not really as it was said back in July that if it got close to the election he could delay.
  
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  September 29, 2020 6:22pm
Fletch

CNN asks a Dem senator to explain how the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett is ‘illegal or illegitimate.’ He can’t. Has to admit it is not illegal.

https://archive.org/embed/CNNW_20200926_230000_The_Situation_Room_With_Wolf_Blitzer?start=1405&end=1590
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September 29, 2020 5:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Oh boy! Dancing on the head of a pin, just like here in South Venezuela to be
  
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  September 29, 2020 6:19pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  ‘Not illegal’ is a pretty low bar.
  
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  September 29, 2020 6:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump Tax returns. How may of you jerks here have seen it? Is there a link? Can you provide a link – or PROOF?
Come on, up with it or fuck off with the TDS!
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September 29, 2020 6:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Come on morons, who has seen the leaked returns?
  I saw Jaspinda’s Tax return and “leaked” it. Shit there is all sorts of things going on with Japsinda’s Tax return. Morrinsville, New York and United Nations.
  Let us start about serious leaking to blame otherers for what you have done.
  Tell me tomorrow, I am off to the spa with dinner, beer and whiskey
  
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  September 29, 2020 7:12pm
Benedict Yu

This is fascinating:

“The great thing about New Zealand is that anyone can do what I’m doing, it is literally true; my goal is to make sure it stays that way.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/tarana/latest/122925909/i-wanted-to-make-a-difference-in-the-world-says-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern

That is revealing. But it is totally false. “anyone can do what I’m doing, it is literally true”. No it is literally the opposite. Literally false. Only a tiny number of people have what it takes to be an effective PM. To say that “anyone” can do it is ridiculous.
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September 29, 2020 7:20pm
Happychappy

Did anyone else think the media should have taken exception and taken Jacinda Ardern to task on her viscous attack on Judith Collins integrity on tonight 6 o’clock news on one tonight . This was dirty Politics at it’s best from the Prime Minister and if people don’t wake up to Jacinda Arderns filthy remarks and censure them she will just fling this shit more often. What a piece of crap our Prime Minister is turning out to be.
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September 29, 2020 7:24pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Just what was the viscosity of the attack?
  
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  September 29, 2020 7:54pm
  - Happychappy
    
    [del. OTT personal abuse. mod.]
    
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    September 29, 2020 8:15pm
  - Dougal10
    
    Slander
    
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    September 29, 2020 8:34pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    2.3×10^11 mPa.s.
    Pure Pitch vitriol.
    
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    September 29, 2020 8:42pm
- sharont
  
  Good response read at the end of the news from Judith Collins/National that the Prime Minister’s comment was a lie and a desperate slur and unbecoming of a prime ministser. Judith commented earlier in the day that Cindy’s veil is slipping and she sounds pressured. Gloves are off. … [del. mod.]
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:11pm
  - MCos
    
    The PM said
    “There’s obviously a little history there,”
    An email emerged in 2014 not included in ‘Dirty Politics’ alleged she was gunning for Feeley of the SFO. She resigned from cabinet and was reinstated after being cleared by an inquiry.
    https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/m.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2007/S00190/press-advisory-on-judith-collins-and-the-book-dirty-politics.htm
    
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    September 29, 2020 10:16pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The PM said more than that… she said:
      
      “As a previous Minister her engagement with the SFO led to her job loss”.
      
      And that’s NOT true.
      
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      September 29, 2020 10:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  TV NZ have removed the clip..
  but here it is on Stuff…. at the end of the clip
  
  https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6195483565001
  
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  September 29, 2020 8:49pm
  - RJ
    
    Damn she looks stupid when talking. Perhaps someone should suggest to labour to increase funding for sexual crimes
    
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    September 29, 2020 9:09pm
RJ

Labour caught lying again

The Labour Party has pulled its brochures in an Auckland electorate after a complaint to the advertising watchdog.

The brochures were distributed throughout the Northcote electorate to promote candidate Shanan Halbert and his vision for the north shore suburb.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12369014
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September 29, 2020 8:49pm
- Nostradamus
  
  From the article:
  
  The brochures were distributed throughout the Northcote electorate to promote candidate Shanan Halbert and his vision for the north shore suburb. Under the heading “I love this place” a list of achievements includes the statement: “We’ve built over 600 houses for our growing Northcote family.”
  
  Except, the Labour Party hasn’t.
  
  An OIA request to Kāinga Ora – Homes and Communities revealed the actual number was 74, with just seven of those being new builds.
  
  I’m surprised that Labour would seek to campaign on housing issues because, you know, Kiwibuild wasn’t exactly a roaring success!
  
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  September 29, 2020 9:29pm
  - sooty
    
    Neither was Phil Twyford!
    
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