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Benedict Yu

There were three anouncements yesterday. Two welcome. One alarming. The demise of Phil Twyford was more advanced than I had anticipated. Andrew Little losing Justice was surprising but a good thing.

But to take cake as Kiwis say was Nania Muhata as Foreign Minister.

In all countries this is important appointment. In Australia the last two Foreign Ministers, Marise Payne and Julie Bishop have been excellent. Payne is not quite the class act that Bishop was but she is very competent.

Mahuta is simply not articulate and I suspect knows little about the world beyond New Zealand and the Pacific Islands. And unfortunately her obesity and facial tattoos will add to her credibility problem. In Japan, especially, but also in China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, and possibly many other countries, her appearance will cause suspicion or even hostility. For example, in normal circumstances, she would come under real scrutiny on entry to Japan, and she would, literally be refused entry to many places in Japan such as some hotels, some restaurants, all gyms, all dwimming pools, and most recreation facilities. Of course her diplomatic status will stop this happening, but she will have this impact.

Now I am not saying this is fair or fat shaming. And personally I like many tattoos, but not on face. But what she will face is a reality. If she was highly competent that might partially compensate for these issues but I think opposite is true.

A baffling decision.
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November 3, 2020 8:01am
- alex Masterley
  
  Benedict.
  as you say the decision to put the princess of the waikato into foriegn affairs is baffling. on the plus side however she will not be leaving the country for some time due to Covid-19 and so will not frighten our trading partners.
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:17am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Stuff – New Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta says she’ll be taking New Zealand solutions – including indigenous approaches – with her to the world stage.
    
    Jacinda – Mahuta got the job because I asked around and she is very quick at making relationships, which is an important part of the MFA job.
    
    Both the above seem crazy to me. Shouldn’t having existing international relationships with China/US/UK be of most importance. This is not playschool learning on the job through indigenous means.
    
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    November 3, 2020 2:44pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Nanaia Mahuta is the daughter of Sir Robert Mahuta brother of the late Maori Queen.
  She is far from inarticulate. Her tattoo is a formal tribal recognition of her high status, not a TV prop.
  NZ needs to acknowledge that the Maori Paramount Chiefs, Rangatiratanga, are people of power and authority in their society. They make their societies work.
  The new Minster has made the world news:
  https://www.rt.com/news/505221-new-zealand-maori-tattoo/
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:20am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I will assume you are not being sarcastic. Yes she has made world news (well in Russia at least) because of her ethnicity and facial tattoos. If she is “far from inarticulate” I have never heard that in Parliament on any issue of substance. And my point remains – In most Asian countries she will be treated with suspicion or hostility because of her obesity and facial tattoos. I am not advocating these attitudes. As a Taiwanese national who has spent much time in these societies, I am simply telling the reality. I do not see how you can be effective foreign Minister of New Zealand if you are not taken seriously in China, Japan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Taiwan, Singapore, Sri Lanka and Indonesia. Sure they will be polite, but I know how they will think and it will affect outcomes.
    
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    November 3, 2020 8:37am
    - Scooter
      
      Also on the news in Italy, at least here the politicians are attractive.
      
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      November 3, 2020 9:00am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      One could argue that in many societies being female would be even worse.
      
      But to what extent should NZ pander to prejudiced cultures? I think we’re right to say ‘this is the most competent human being, gender, body size, ethnicity (including tribal tattoos) irrelevant’
      
      However if your argument is that she’s incompetent and has actually only been selected *because of* gender, body size and ethnicity that should not happen in any fair society.
      
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      November 3, 2020 11:00am
    - Paulus
      
      Whilst the Virus is with us she will not be able to expose herself overseas.
      
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      November 3, 2020 11:03am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘They make their societies work.’
    
    I believe in equality before the law and democratic values, not feudalism.
    
    We all make our societies work.
    
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    November 3, 2020 8:40am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The violence and representation in undesirable statistic’s of maori is a demonstration of how their society works? Really?
      
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      November 3, 2020 9:48am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    did you just miss the point?
    It is not how we see ourselves, that is important in foreign affairs, it is how others see us.
    We are a small country globally, we wish to deal with some big players to benefit us.
    
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    November 3, 2020 8:49am
  - Crisplion
    
    Foreign officials will place little premium on Mahuta’s pedigree even if the woke foreign press is easily impressed by her indigenous credentials. And, having heard her speak on numerous occasions, I have to disagree with you – she is inarticulate and frankly, not very bright. I have no problem with Rangatiratanga being recognised as a source of “power and authority” within iwi – indeed, it really isn’t my business one way or the other – but in the wider political world it means nothing. I suspect that, as usual, Ardern is just virtue signaling with this appointment.
    
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    November 3, 2020 8:57am
    - DeepBlue
      
      Trying to keep Maori onside with the everything but public humiliation of demoting Kelvin.
      
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      November 3, 2020 2:46pm
  - Catgurl13
    
    She is only relevant to Maori with her moko. It has no relevance anywhere else. She’s not articulate, she barely cuts it and will find it very difficult. Her presentation needs a lot of work.
    
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    November 3, 2020 9:08am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Yikes, are we really that hidden that we cannot face the facts that we live with Maori among us who sincerely believe that we are yokels compared to their ranking chiefs.
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:20am
    - Crisplion
      
      Such an attitude would be an indictment of them, not us. Are you seriously suggesting that Mahuta being the beneficiary of inherited prestige is a good reason to appoint her to an important Ministerial post?
      
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      November 3, 2020 10:47am
    - Yabster
      
      so its ok for some Maori to have an elitist attitude? spin that around and the old racist word would be spat out faster than Trump can tweet “fake news”
      
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      November 3, 2020 1:05pm
  - Nickc2
    
    She may be all of those things KevO but FOREIGN Minister? It’s a good thing Covid will keep her home most of the time.
    I’m told she still has to sit at the back of the meeting house on her Marae and like other women there have no speaking rights.
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:25am
    - freethinker
      
      mahuta’s performance may well explain why they are not allowed to speak on the marae.
      
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      November 3, 2020 1:30pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Sorry Kev – which Maori society where has the Paramount Chiefiness made work?
    
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    November 3, 2020 1:19pm
- Scooter
  
  I wonder if she did it to piss off Winston?
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:25am
- rockape
  
  Remember to she wouldn’t give a statement to police when her partner bashed her female friend.
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:26am
- Weinerpoop
  
  Her record speaks for itself, 24 years in Parliament and what has she achieved? Nothing. Just think how much money she has sucked out of the taxpayer for just turning up and eating her lunch.
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:44am
  - Joely Doe
    
    [Del. No need for personally abusive criticism. Mod.]
    
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    November 3, 2020 8:56am
  - giltee
    
    The talent pool is very low so perhaps Adern, aside from virtue signalling didn’t have many choices
    
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    November 3, 2020 1:01pm
    - freethinker
      
      With luck Cindy will front the important foreign meetings as she at least is a good speaker even if the words mean nothing.
      
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      November 3, 2020 1:32pm
      - pdm
        
        Pre School type addresses to world leaders may not go down too well though.
        
        They will not be as receptive as those accolytes in the so called team of 5million.
        
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        November 3, 2020 3:54pm
- All_on_Red
  
  I suspect they are relying on Covid to stop her travelling anywhere- hopefully for 3 years.
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:48am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Unlike the Australian Foreign and Defence Ministers who consider the alliance with the USA so important that they travel to the USA for talks, despite needing to go into quarantine for 14 days on return.
    
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/united-front-why-payne-and-reynolds-went-to-washington-20200731-p55h82.html
    
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    November 3, 2020 8:54am
    - sooty
      
      But she can still zoom!
      
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      November 3, 2020 12:20pm
- Nickc2
  
  Makes you proud to be an Aya-teya-rowan eh bro.
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:56am
- Simon
  
  Parts of the Moslem world trashing French embassies. Step up Nania Muhata condemn these vile attacks.
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:59am
  - Nickc2
    
    While you are at it Nania, how about condemning the BLM movement in the USA for their riotous behaviour. Betcha that won’t happen.
    
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    November 3, 2020 1:17pm
- Sacha
  
  I understand the cultural/tribal reasons for having facial tattoos, but I still feel that it gives the wearer an aggressive, not to say hostile appearance.
  In cultures which regard tattooing with some distaste the new Minister may well not get the welcome we might wish.
  What we accept here does not guarantee acceptance in other cultures.
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:02am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I believe it’s intended to be seen as a symbol of power. The male versions are far more extensive and confronting.
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:24am
- RiP NZ
  
  Competence is so old fashioned.
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:07am
- godruelf
  
  Benedict I guess one of the problems with Mahuta you list may be helped with Thin Lizzy the other unfortunately not
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:28am
- Max
  
  Benedict Importantly, the appointment could be smiled upon favourably by the United Nations.
  
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  November 3, 2020 11:19am
- calendar girl
  
  “A baffling decision.”
  
  And one that I consider does no favours for New Zealand.
  
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  November 3, 2020 12:10pm
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Just when I thought this country could not become any more a laughing stock.
  So embarrassing
  
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  November 3, 2020 12:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Surprise Baby

Prince of Arran

Russian Camelot
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November 3, 2020 8:02am
- pdm
  
  Anthony van Dyck.
  
  That was a huge run in the Caulfield Cup – impressive.
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:18am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  If the choice of foreign minister is shocking, then a daughter of Shocking can win The Cup.
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:11am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well that reinforces my reasoning for Surprise Baby, then.
    
    I must admit my other 2 choices are for sentiment only….
    
    Still, if folks had put a Place on my choices last year, they would have made on the deal.
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/11/general_debate_4_november_2019.html#comment-2585537
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:22am
    - rangitoto
      
      Is there a horse called going viral? I’m sure that would win.
      
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      November 3, 2020 11:40am
- Biscuit
  
  I see our phantom downticker isn’t fond of Racing, either!
  
  I’m basing my selections on last year’s race so:
  
  Master of Reality
  Twilight Payment
  Steel Prince
  
  pdm’s AvD is the class horse of the race – English Derby winner etc etc – so I’ll throw him in in my First Four box…
  
  Caveat:
  My success rate in The Big Race is very much akin to Phil Twyford’s in anything he pikes his nose into!
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:29am
  - pdm
    
    I am a bit like you Biscuit – apart from Kiwi who was the biggest Cup Cert I can remember a $50odd quinella a couple of years ago is almost my sole success since.
    
    Was very impressed with Tony van D in the Caulfield Cup – he was 3 and 4 wide all of the race and ran home solidly. As I played rugby and cricket against Murray Baker in his and my younger days will probably put The Chosen One in Quinellas and Trifectas.
    
    % betting is a great innovation.
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:12am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well done Biscuit…
    did you place any bets?
    
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    November 3, 2020 5:33pm
    - Biscuit
      
      It could have been better, Maggie – if I back a 25-to-1 winner the least the favourite horses can do is run second behind it to fill out my Quinella…
      
      But suffice it to say that the cat’s Jellimeat tonight had a side of caviar, heh.
      
      Anthony Van Dyke’s breaking-down in the straight did not help…
      
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      November 3, 2020 8:56pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I like cryptic crosswords Maggy, you had me there for quite some time . . .
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:50am
- Gravelroad
  
  Which horse is the prettiest Maggy?
  That’s the one I would bet on.
  
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  November 3, 2020 12:04pm
  - lemuzz
    
    Well don’t put your money on Cindy then.
    
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    November 3, 2020 2:04pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There’s the rub…(and the reason I won’t bet on a horse I can’t see in the flesh).. but
    
    Verry elleegant is the prettiest mare…
    AvD is the Alpha Male
    but Sir Dragonet is the most handsome beast
    https://cdn.racenet.com.au/images/news/news_images/1280w/83a1527eed7ee4d535dc7c1f71bff1c4.jpg
    
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    November 3, 2020 2:30pm
gravedodger

The one NZLP person who delivered the biggest failure for the Ardern led CoL is now sitting outside the Cabinet room and has responsibility for “Export Growth”
Random question, can anyone think what might be a significant aspect for any recovery going forward?
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November 3, 2020 8:04am
- Tall Man
  
  “can anyone think what might be a significant aspect for any recovery going forward”
  
  Removing this government.
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:15am
- hullkiwi
  
  Jacinda told us in TV debate 2. Selling “Brand NZ”. With Phil on the job, what are the chances of that then?
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:36am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    None, and less.
    
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    November 3, 2020 9:51am
Justitia

Jacinda’s new Cabinet -https://youtu.be/vDpDhofRoXA

(With apologies to the producers of “Star Wars”).
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November 3, 2020 8:05am
- Justitia
  
  link defective, reposted below.
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:08am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Cabinet defective, wish we we could post them to Burkina Faso.
    
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    November 3, 2020 1:20pm
hullkiwi

When did diversity become the key criteria for selecting a cabinet and allocating portfolios to cabinet ministers?

The cabinet is meant to be the strategic leadership of the government, but listening to media reports this morning ability, experience, capability has nothing to do with being the right gender or racial profile!

Let’s watch how the next 3 years pans out then?
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November 3, 2020 8:05am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘When did diversity etc’
  When it became an easy way to deflect from mass incompetence.
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:13am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Cabinet still have the duties of Executive Government to perform. Inability just means nothing succeeds as before. Law is unimportant except it can yield taxes. Property rights depend on mob rule and Enid Blyton Police whose badges are covered in tar from the ninth floor.
  
  Ardern doesn’t know whether she is a socialist global warrior ~~Princess~~Queen or has to actually run a Govt here in the antipodes. The coming global financial crisis will probably eat her and her govt anyway. Without the needed abilities the uni cafe society will be disbanded.
  Can we get our money back–an accounting is needed. The right to govern requires enforceable responsibility.
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:38am
  - sooty
    
    Whoosh!
    
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    November 3, 2020 8:44am
- SGA
  
  When did diversity become the key criteria for selecting a cabinet and allocating portfolios to cabinet ministers?
  
  Serious question – who do you think “missed out” that deserved more? Who is languishing out of Cabinet but should be there?
  
  I don’t know enough about the Labour Caucus to give a very informed opinion, but, on the face of it, Ardern put her stronger performers in the right sort of places (DPF seemed to think so as well).
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:52am
  - freethinker
    
    So that accounts for 3 possibly 4 the rest are like junk DNA, we have no idea what use they are.
    
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    November 3, 2020 1:40pm
    - Nickc2
      
      IMO, Cindy, Robertson, Little and Hipkins are the Labour Party. The rest are sanctimonious window dressing in the interests of so-called diversity.
      
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      November 3, 2020 2:28pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  Because National cucked on the issue years ago, so the left has been allowed taken it to its logical extreme.
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:53am
Tony Stuart

Helen Clark is praising Jacinda Ardern for the diversity and inclusiveness of her Cabinet:

https://twitter.com/HelenClarkNZ/status/1323091716321144832

When did we get away from Dr Martin Luther King’s dream that one day, his children would be judged not by the colour of their skin, but by the content of their character? Diversity is all very nice, but to me, the only percentage that matters is that a Cabinet, whichever party it is selected from, is 100% competent.
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November 3, 2020 8:07am
- Tall Man
  
  Please explain why “diversity is all very nice”.
  
  In my opinion it is the crocodile being used to “eat” the fabric of our society starting with “altered” education to fit a “narrative”, university places based on skin tone and ethnic back ground or selection to stand as a member of our Parliament to fill a quota.
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:13am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Diversity is window-dressing Tall Man. That’s why I said the only thing that matters is competence.
    
    Take Christopher Finlayson for example. Respected right across politics for his intellect and ability, and oh yes, he happened to be gay. But his ability defined him, not his sexuality. Take Dr Peter Tapsell, Speaker of the House between 1993 and 1996, and Maori. Did he achieve respect across the House because he was an outstanding, fair Speaker, or because he was Maori?
    
    As I said, diversity is all very nice, but never, EVER should it be a substitute for ability and competence.
    
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    November 3, 2020 8:27am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      Finlayson is gay???!!
      
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      November 3, 2020 12:54pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Yes, he is, but he never let it define him during his time in politics. Compare that to some in Parliament, who are LGBTQI first and foremost, and never let you forget it.
        
        I exclude Grant Robertson from that. Pretty much everyone realises he is gay, but he doesn’t make a song and dance about it. I think he is generally a very competent politician, who doesn’t need to use his sexuality as a crutch, unlike some.
        
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        November 3, 2020 1:05pm
      - sooty
        
        Who rembers squeaky Chris Carter!
        
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        November 3, 2020 6:23pm
- igm
  
  When is this old crow going to piss off?
  It and her offsider Simpson have had their day, being given the arse card years ago, yet still find ways to strangle taxpayers’ troughs . . . have they no shame?
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:15am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Helen Clark is leading the 6% of people that do not want concerts (up to six concerts a year I believe that must end by 10:30pm) at Eden Park.
    
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    November 3, 2020 9:57am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Er, no she’s not.
      She is just one of a number, as am I.
      For what it is worth 10:30pm is an aspirational time. I cannot see Ep management pulling the plug on a band completing a set if it rolls past 10:30pm.
      They would get lynched.
      
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      November 3, 2020 10:33am
    - amospicton
      
      NIMBY hypocrisy. If you buy near Eden Park you accept the inevitable noise issues. Maybe that took $50k off the purchase price, but in any case there’s no grounds for complaint. Equally, it’s just miserable. A concert to give pleasure to tens of thousands versus a few hours of inconvenience.
      
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      November 3, 2020 1:32pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        I’ve lived near to EP for over 20 years and mostly within 350 meters of the ground.
        I go to the rugby and sometimes the cricket. the noise from those events is quite tolerable.
        Concert noise on the other hand is another matter. People who live on the slopes of Mangawhau or Owairaka will hear any concert whether they want to or not. So will a large retirement village, and the Salvation Higher Ground centre.
        Also crowd safety for those on the playing surface. Very inadequate acess to and from the playing surface. In the case of emergency getting 17k+ people out of three small access ways would create a Hillsborough like situation.
        I fail to see why EP needs to canalbalise other Auckland venues that run concerts successfully.
        I fail to see why ratepayers who benefit from Mt Smart or Western Springs need to give EP a subsidy.
        
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        November 3, 2020 2:48pm
- amospicton
  
  Suspect we’re over represented in the LBGTQ camp. Also only 40-odd % female. If the Nats had that they’d be roasted in the media. Competence over diversity any day.
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:51am
- peterwn
  
  Jacinda probably relied heavily on Helen’s advice.
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:02am
- Nickc2
  
  Any praise from Helen Clark has to be the kiss of death.
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:04am
Justitia

Jacinda’s new Cabinet:

https://youtu.be/vDpDhofRoXA

With apologies to the producers of “Star Wars”.
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November 3, 2020 8:07am
- RW Capitalist
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS2hKne6_IY
  I would have said these guys were a better example
  Cartoons on a slippery surface.
  except Disney is actually good at their job.
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:29am
Scott

I’m hoping Trump wins the election tomorrow. Here’s why.
Trump is reversing decades of wokeness,decades of political correctness where everything is about race and class and sex and virtue signalling.
He has delivered prosperity to his nation.
He is for free speech.
He is for religious liberty including the right to say merry Christmas.
He stands up for the rights of the unborn child.
He stands up to China.

He believes in western civilisation.
Under Trump you don’t have to apologise for being a white man.
He believes in equal justice under the law.
He is the only one that will rein in big tech.

Lastly given a binary choice his opponent is mentally and physically incapable of fulfilling the demands of the position of president.
Given all that I can put up with his personality and a few mean tweets.
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November 3, 2020 8:08am
- Notsofast
  
  You will be denied an abortion.
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:58am
  - Scott
    
    Notsofast – regarding abortion the newly conservative Supreme Court may overturn Roe vs Wade. If that happens the abortion laws will revert back to the states.
    So some states will be pro life, such as Alabama, and some states will be pro choice, such as New York.
    
    In any case the legislators will make the law and be held accountable by the voters. This is better than 9 unelected judges making the law. It’s called “democracy”.
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:08am
    - Notsofast
      
      I consider the pro choice sector to be pro life. The antithesis of pro life is rather obvious, and does not represent the position of those now considered pro choice. But hijacking terms for the purpose of distorting the truth is common enough, and certainly a concept Trump understands.
      Fortunately the tribe of deplorable Christians running the New Zealand national party is blocked from influence for a good decade.
      
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      November 3, 2020 11:08am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Unlikely. RvW is settled.
      
      Trump is sensible and no religious nut.
      
      If you don’t want an abortion: don’t have one or don’t cause an unwanted pregnancy.
      
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      November 3, 2020 11:16am
- lastmanstanding
  
  The pollare tightening. I suspect a repeat of 2016. Biden will win the popular vote Trump will win the College courtesy of the silent Trumpsters.
  
  Then all hell will break loose. The radical left will use it as an excuse to wage war on the Right. Trump will have to resort to war time measures to protect the non violent citizens.
  
  This is what Antifa George Soros et al want. The destruction of the American way of life and the destruction of Western Civilisation.
  
  There are elements within NZ including this Government who will look on and smile.
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:26am
  - NewInoffensiveName
    
    The only question about the presidential election is whether or not Trump will get more than 400 EC votes.
    
    Leftist-run cities will burn until they ask Trump for help. Dipshit leftist voters are going to have their noses rubbed in the consequences of their electoral folly.
    
    The House will swing to the Republicans.
    
    Glorious.
    
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    November 3, 2020 9:46am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘The radical left will use it as an excuse to wage war on the Right.’
    
    Sad fact that is almost never covered by the media . Many of those looted , burned businesses are run by hard working immigrants who are on the diversity spectrum themselves. And the people who are shot killed and injured come mainly from the same ethnicity and social class as the shooters .
    
    But let’s just focus on the cops .
    
    “The protests that began in Minneapolis after George Floyd’s death and spread around the country have been marked by hundreds of documented instances of police violence at protesters.
    
    Without saying it aloud the police forces of many American cities are resisting efforts for more municipal oversight and a less violent approach to social control.
    
    In Minneapolis the inability of the Mayor and Police Chief to regain effective control of the force has been seen as the weakness of a young, ambitious, new mayor who’s all talk and no action.
    
    But the Mayor of Minneapolis has not been alone. Democratic mayors from Seattle to Los Angeles to Chicago to New York City have all struggled to discipline documented brutality against protesters and journalists.”
    
    Shit from socialist on shtuff.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300147671/america-on-edge-amid-fears-over-covid-police-violence-and-the-election
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:28am
    - Brian Marshall
      
      George Floyd, unlike Jefferey Epstein, killed himself. The knee to the neck looked bad, but was not the cause of death.
      
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      November 3, 2020 4:14pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Check out Styx’s final prediction: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xVJy71yT4A8
    
    Trump likely, mainly due to enthusiasm gap.
    
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    November 3, 2020 11:20am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    A vote for Biden, who will withdraw from most of the work soon due to health issues, is a vote for Harris.
    
    A vote for Harris is a vote for communism.
    
    I’m not exaggerating, look at Harris reveal what she wants in this short video.
    
    Her idea of ‘equity’, meaning equal beginnings and *equal outcomes* for everyone. I’m amazed that she dares show it so bluntly – anyone still on the moderate left is asleep at the wheel if they vote for this:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4kowE_YIVw
    
    Of course this is exactly what our Green party wants. To what extent Jacinda will pander to it, socialist that she is, is still to be seen.
    
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    November 3, 2020 1:02pm
- Jimmy White
  
  ‘Pollsters’ are saying that shy voters will put Trump ahead in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, North Carolina, Arizona, Florida, and barely behind in Nevada and Wisconsin.
  Even without Nevada and Wisconsin, that’s enough to win Trump a second term. We’ll know soon enough. However if the ‘Pollsters’ are anything like those in NZ it could mean anything from a close loss to a landslide for Trump.
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:32am
- Raphael
  
  the Pennsylvania Attorney General (who is a democrat) has pretty much announced that there is no way he’s letting Trump win the election in PA.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQm16M4QPsA
  
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  November 3, 2020 12:57pm
  - Ian Hawthorn
    
    This is an attempt at voter suppression; an effort to persuade Trump voters that there is no point in voting. It is highly improper behavior for a public official.
    
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    November 3, 2020 2:20pm
    - Batman
      
      Unlike the GOP who are merely suing across the country to discount valid votes.
      
      Hysteria, lies and crooks. Perfectly sums up the current GOP and Trumpism.
      
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      November 3, 2020 5:03pm
G152

Saw a reasonably good program concerning the bad treatment suffered by the Aboriginal peoples of Australia.
Very searching
Until it wasn’t.
One claim that the Aboriginal people were the oldest civilisation on Earth caused a chortle and much mirth.
They are at the end of a migration that began in the Rift Valley in Africa.
So, one might come to the conclusion that the African tribes were more closely related to the ‘first’ Homo Sapiens.
The lie killed the veracity of the commentators
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November 3, 2020 8:12am
- Inandout
  
  G152, they quickly latched on to VB cans when the government lifted the booze ban.
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:46am
- Classic Liberal
  
  So they’re Overegging the pudding.
  
  Huge problem with identity politics: start with a few reasonable facts then blow their significance and influence on an *individual’s* life completely out of proportion.
  
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  November 3, 2020 11:24am
RW Capitalist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGXRvDT2k8I
Jonny Carson from 1987
Biden hasn’t changed, he is still the butt of all jokes.
The MSM is just ignoring them for now.
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November 3, 2020 8:25am
Deagle

Oldest… or least advanced?
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November 3, 2020 8:29am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  A not unreasonable theory is that homo sapiens needed to cross with Neanderthal genes to spark up progress. Metal, farming, the wheel, written language all strike me as important pointers. Some tribes never made it.
  
  Those colonized by the Spanish perished. Those by the British largely survived.
  
  Aboriginals definitely got the shit end of the stick. Convicts and slavers were their colonists. Not the Empire’s finest moment or finest exports. Still, could have been worse, they could have been invaded by Belgians!
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:08am
  - Jack5
    
    Convicts left genes in New Zealand, too.
    
    Many of the sealing and whaling seamen who married Maori women and settled locally were convicts on parole (ticket of leave).
    
    I suspect some of the Australian “fencibles” or militia settled around Auckland as a defence against Maori attack were convicts or descendants of convicts. Since then there has long been a two-way population flow between Australia and New Zealand. In some decades more Australians have come this way than New Zealanders have gone west. So there will be surprises in some NZ family trees.
    
    When transported convicts ended their sentences they took up normal occupations in Australia. Some even became police, and one a magistrate.
    
    Many of the offences leading to men and women being transported in NZ courts today would bring a term of probation or even a suspended sentence. A considerable number, too, were Irish nationalists.
    
    Former Australian Prime Ministers KevinRudd and John Howard,
    can number as ancestors some of the 164,000 convicts transported to Australia.
    
    Britain began shipping them Down Under when it lost the American colonies.
    
    Stonewall Jackson, a master tactician and fighting leader and the most skilful Confederate general the Union faced, was the great-grandson of an Irish Protestant transported to America for larceny. That ancestor married a transported English woman.
    
    Meanwhile in Australia, there are now societies for descendants of transported convicts. This is one:
    
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/descendants-of-mostly-convicts-and-they-re-proud-of-it-20190219-p50yu9.html
    
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    November 3, 2020 11:27am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      All of which is true. It doesn’t answer why the level of documented atrocities against aboriginals was so high though. There was a genuine extermination campaign waged. Only stopped because the British had a conscience and hung a few settlers.
      
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      November 3, 2020 12:28pm
      - Jack5
        
        I agree treatment of Aboriginals was appallingly cruel and unjustifiable, but to blame this on “convicts and slavers” is wrong.
        
        Settlers, graziers and their stockmen, miners – all were involved. They didn’t have the ex-convicts’ excuse of being corrupted by brutal prison treatment.
        
        A little-known snippet on this topic: white deserters from the British Army, Maori, and escaped convicts from Australia made up 110 people transported from New Zealand to the Tasmanian penal colony between 1843 and 1853.
        
        A smart-arse Australian politician could raise this when New Zealand complains about Australia deporting gang members to NZ.
        
        Brutality to Aborigines outlined:
        
        https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/how-early-australians-treated-aboriginal-people/news-story/e984d3a453382c59a1d5d81f99a9ad8c
        
        NZ transports prisoners to Australia:
        
        https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/history-culture/2017/10/the-new-zealand-convicts-sent-to-australia/
        
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        November 3, 2020 2:11pm
      - lemuzz
        
        It makes you wonder that the Australian aboriginals were sitting on the largest tract of iron ore in the world and never mastered the skills to exploit it in all the millions of years before the europeans arrived.
        
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        November 3, 2020 2:30pm
I remember when

Another interesting feature of the Cabinet re-shuffle was giving David Parker Fisheries.
This gives him a control in two Ministries involving both export and conservation.
Is it to counter to over greening or is it a step towards as much ‘continue with changes slowly’ as possible. A minister that is prepared to take the hard line.
I think some in Fisheries will be a little apprehensive.
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November 3, 2020 8:30am
Simon

“Record number of Māori in Cabinet: ‘We should be proud of that’ – PM Jacinda Ardern”

So much for the system being against Maori.

Maori promoted within the system and now in charge of the system. This should see a decline in terrible crime, economic & social issues that hurt Maori in a disproportional manner.

Some might say many Maori ministers are cringe diversity hires who will not improve the lot of anyone just because they are Maori.

But not me! Along with Ardern I say things will get better for no other reason that Willie Jackson & Kelvin Davis are Maori. Competence just doesnt come into it,.
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November 3, 2020 8:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It is going to be very interesting to see what the Maori Ministers can do.
  
  There are heavy expectations from Maori Iwi for the Government to relinquish control/management over many aspects of their lives and lands.
  
  for instance:
  *Oranga Tamariki
  https://www.teaomaori.news/weresaying-crown-just-hand-it-over-we-dont-trust-your-style-partnership
  
  * South Island water
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/ng-tahu-taking-government-court-over-water-rights#:~:text=Powerful%20South%20Island%20iwi%20Ng%C4%81i,its%20rangatiratanga%20over%20the%20resource.
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:07am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Maggy on the first one, I think government should do it. Say “here is the money we spend on protecting children – it is your’s. Your target is to reduce harm and injuries by 50 percent over three years. If you fail we take it back.”
    
    And of course harm to children would rise over three years. (Maybe you contract for an early exit if it is a shambles after 12 months.)
    
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    November 3, 2020 9:18am
    - sooty
      
      If we give control of our water to the maori!
      Will they have to import a shitload of russians to run it just like the fishing boats as the nephs won’t get off the couch!
      
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      November 3, 2020 10:29am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Any land occupied by an activist for 24 hours or deemed irrelevant by the former police.
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:30am
  - Yabster
    
    is that the same Ngai Tahu who run numerous large dairy farms…???
    
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    November 3, 2020 1:12pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Indeed it is…
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/108049548/ngai-tahu-farming-replaces-forestry-with-14000-cows-at-eyrewell#comments
      
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      November 3, 2020 3:10pm
      - sooty
        
        They need a lot of water!
        
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        November 3, 2020 6:29pm
Maggie Pie

I hate boats. Whenever we go out on the Launch i can never relax. It’s alright for my partner sitting up on the flybridge barking orders. Honestly, it’s like a second language. Aft. Stern. Galley. Transom. Painter. Port. Starbord. Head. Stupid bitch, the list goes on. Why not just say back, front, left, right, rope, toilet, etc?

And even worse, it looks like Yachting has a whole different vernacular. What on earth does Grant Dalton mean when he says “….we need to ‘boggie’ the numbers”

https://twitter.com/oneforthedr/status/1322242791536123904
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November 3, 2020 8:32am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s boogie the numbers….
  
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  November 3, 2020 8:50am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    …. oh yeah 😀
    
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    November 3, 2020 9:09am
- Benedict Yu
  
  If you don’t like going on your boat, am happy to take your place. I like boats. 🙂
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:19am
  - sooty
    
    Yes, but you don’t supply benefits!
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:31am
    - Tall Man
      
      That could be seen as a tad presumptuous………….
      
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      November 3, 2020 3:22pm
- Biscuit
  
  Agreed, Maggie.
  
  I fly…
  
  If a plane crashes, you die, bloody quickly.
  
  If a boat sinks, you drown, so slowly they have time to make a movie about it … and you have to suffer Celine Dion’s warbling in the background.
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:20am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    What i could never understand is how the water outside the titanic was so cold you died of hypothermia, but inside you could wade around for hours with no ill effects.
    
    Still the movie achieved its necessary purpose … Probably the most effective “date” movie of all time!
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:22am
    - curry4me
      
      the deity formerly known as nigel6888: And the swimming pools on the titanic are still full. Not heated any longer. It’s salt water.
      
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      November 3, 2020 12:34pm
- Jimmy White
  
  You need to ask or Deputy PM he is an expert at the number Boogie shuffle.
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:24am
RW Capitalist

Willy Jackson (the comical ali of the labour party)
is still in cabinet and climbing 5 places I see.
About says everything about her judgement.
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November 3, 2020 8:35am
- sooty
  
  Yes, but he’s the special colour!
  Maybe he’s there to supply the giggles now that phil twyford has departed!
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:34am
  - Tall Man
    
    Nope, a voice over when the answers elude ardern…..
    
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    November 3, 2020 3:36pm
artemisia

To remove a Minister completely from ministerial roles is not common absent some reason, not necessarily disclosed. That in my mind raises a question mark over Ms Salesa’s demotion. She does not seem to have been a shining star but neither have some others who remain in limo and perks roles. Perhaps she requested no more limos and perks. Doing a Muller?
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November 3, 2020 8:35am
- Paulus
  
  Or some other non Cabinet Job – Speaker ?
  
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  November 3, 2020 11:10am
- artemisia
  
  I see Jane Patterson at the below link suggests reasons Ms Salesa is gone.
  
  “RNZ understands a combination of underperformance and the political risk of a very high staff turnover in her office were the deciding factors.”
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/429700/restocking-the-cabinet-ardern-spring-clean-packs-surprise-or-two
  
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  November 3, 2020 12:28pm
Simon

Nixon and the Bush family. Until Trump came along Nixon and the Bush were involved in all post war GOP White House administrations.

Just Nixon and Bush family run GOP admins since 1953.

Good news is that once Trump wins again the Trump family will be involved in GOP government for decades to come.

The GOP has been garbage for a very long time. That is why Trump was able to take over the GOP. Its the Trump family’s GOP now.
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November 3, 2020 8:36am
- Jimmy White
  
  What brand of Tea did you use to get that insight.
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:25am
  - sooty
    
    The one with the monkey!
    
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    November 3, 2020 12:25pm
RW Capitalist

1 new case of covid19 in the community.
A hotel staff member who took it out of managed isolation.
For me, just one thing to say.
I told ya so.
Managed Isolation in a hotel, who’s staff are free to leave, in a city……….a contradiction in terms.
More incompetent handling of this disease.
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November 3, 2020 8:55am
- MCos
  
  Almost as bad as america
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:01am
  - sooty
    
    No, cindy you are lying!
    The testing did not save us, he went and asked for another test as he was feeling unwell!
    How come he was isolating at home and not quarantine camp?
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:37am
- Catgurl13
  
  And now a student at Cashmere high.
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:52am
Maggie Pie

Looks like Joe Biden has secured the Pentecostal vote with his amazing ability to speak in tongues.

https://twitter.com/NEWS_MAKER/status/1323314807500611585
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November 3, 2020 8:57am
- Inandout
  
  Obama seems to have forgotten the old saying about watch who you hang around with.
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:57am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Obama’s no better than Biden, he’s just more glib.
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:37am
Ruawai

Do the Labour Party aka the unions draw up the party list but when it comes to cabinet decisions it is up to the Labour MPs? If this is the case it would explain why Phil Twyford was number 4 on the party list but is now outside cabinet and nothing material has changed I his performance as nothing has been happening since election.
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November 3, 2020 8:58am
Tony Stuart

Serious question. What did Phil Twyford do (or not do) in the weeks between the announcement of Labour’s list, and the appointment of the new Cabinet? In the former, he went UP one place, from #5 to #4, despite his litany of failure with Kiwibuild and light rail.

Now he’s down to the high 20’s, after three months when nothing of significance has happened in any of his portfolios. I mean he wasn’t responsible for border failures, or for the economy going into recession, was he?

Phil Twyford has been treated most unfairly. Is it because he’s white, straight, middle class and male?
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November 3, 2020 8:59am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Labour were working to maintain a story about being stable and capable during election campaign, so noone was going to be defenestrated to put lie to that line. However they were obviously quietly seething at Twyford.
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:08am
  - Paulus
    
    Twyford’s lies are unconvincing too !
    
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    November 3, 2020 11:12am
- JamesP
  
  Demoting Twyford for his well documented failures around Kiwibuild and Auckland light-rail would have required Jacinda to acknowledge those failures and risking questions about her judgement in appointing him. Too risky to do pre-election. So she put the knife in afterwards hoping the massive demotion gets lost in the shuffle of other appointments.
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:11am
  - marcw
    
    Yes, job done, cynical pretend policy complete. Sheep fooled.
    
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    November 3, 2020 9:56am
    - sooty
      
      So why not kick his arse to the curb and stand somone else in his place before the election?
      
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      November 3, 2020 10:40am
- Notsofast
  
  Good question. I think he was expected to moonlight as a carpenter.
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:22am
- Sigmund Freud
  
  Yes.
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:32am
- cmm
  
  Well he didn’t really get a promotion.
  
  What happened was that Little got throw down the stairs from 3 to 7 and everyone else then just shifted up.
  
  So why wait until after the election to shank Phil? Tweo easy reasons:
  1) It would have been an admission of failure.
  2) They did not want to be seen as the party in disarray (that was National’s movie).
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:36am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Pike River
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:28am
    - sooty
      
      Yes that certainly was a cost blowout on his watch!
      
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      November 3, 2020 4:21pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Judith called him “My Asset, Jacinda’s liability”.
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:38am
- graham
  
  I honestly think it’s because Jacinda didn’t want to make too many waves in the weeks leading up to the election. She wanted to pretend that her Government was stable, competent, with no divisions and no weak links. So no big-name demotions and just carry on merrily pretending everything’s tickety-boo.
  
  Now she’s got the next three years in the bag, she can FINALLY do what everybody knows she should have done months ago and prune some of the dead wood.
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:52am
  - Jimmy White
    
    If she pruned all her dead wood she would have nothing to support her nose
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:30am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      And she’d be de-broomed.
      
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      November 3, 2020 2:44pm
Swifty

Enoch Powell and Jonathan Miller on the Dick Cavett show, 1971:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEPtyb9OHP8

Nothing earth-shattering but an interesting historical tidbit nonetheless.
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November 3, 2020 9:10am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  History has clearly shown that Enoch Powell was right of course, which was why he was so vilified and ostracised at the time. They had no argument for what remains an indefensible position, leading to nothing but negative outcomes. Nothing has changed: those who are deplatformed and denounced now are generally the people you want to listen to, because the reason they are silenced is that they speak the uncomfortable truth.
  
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  November 3, 2020 12:50pm
Rusty

If Donald Trump has proven one thing during his 4 years as president– it is — you don’t have to come from a political background to become president of the USA.
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November 3, 2020 9:10am
- RJ
  
  There have been a couple with no political background. But there’s was military.
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:10am
  - cmm
    
    “But there’s was military.”
    
    Military organizations are highly political.
    Once you get up to General etc, you need to be a politician to make headway.
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:16am
    - sooty
      
      Unless you are at war!
      
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      November 3, 2020 10:42am
- cmm
  
  Indeed people are sick and tired of career politicians who are more interested in perpetuating the system/trough than anything else.
  
  And they’re sick and tired of the whole machine that goes around it: MSM, pollsters, etc etc.
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:14am
RJ

CDC covid figures

https://twitter.com/drdavidsamadi/status/1321816020923883521
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November 3, 2020 9:30am
Critical Thinker

“To grow up in America is to live in a land where anything is possible, where anyone can rise, and where any dream can come true. All because of the immortable principles our nation’s founders inscribed nearly two and a half centuries ago.

It was the fulfillment of a thousand years of Western civilization. Our Constitution was the product of centuries of tradition, wisdom, and experience. No political document has done more to advance the human condition or propel the engine of progress.

…

We embrace the vision of Martin Luther King where children are not judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. The left is attempting to destroy that beautiful vision and divide Americans by race in the service of political power. By viewing every issue through the lens of race, they want to impose a new segregation. And we must NOT allow that to happen.”

– Quintuple Nobel Peace Prize nominee, President Donald Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DB3zdTVmG0

[Mod. Note: It’s a political advertisement, the link is there.]
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November 3, 2020 9:38am
lifesgood

Knock knock
Who’s there
Biden: Who’s where?
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November 3, 2020 9:48am
- Jimmy White
  
  “What day of the week is it?”
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:32am
Maggie Pie

Just switched over to Coast FM. Someone needs to tell Peter Williams there’s nothing more f–ing boring than listening to people talk about domestic violence.

SHEEESH!!
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November 3, 2020 9:52am
- RJ
  
  I don’t know, it can’t be as bad as listening to that Arden person.
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:02am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, then Plunkett devoted yesterday’s show to cannabis and his Trump losing predictions. He admits to being a regular smoker of cigs/pot and hating Trump. For a man who talks about his bouts of depression he perhaps firstly should look at his lifestyle.
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:03am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    That’s why he used ta be a contender!
    
    Plunket is burying his own career.
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:27am
  - Jimmy White
    
    TDS leads to Smoking, depression and talking to oneself on the radio.
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:34am
- hullkiwi
  
  MP, then you are going to be bored for the next 3 years, because that is one of Marama’s responsibilities for the next 3 years.
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:07am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Me too!!!
  😉
  
  Peter lost the plot today
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:25am
MCos

Tweet of the day, so far https://twitter.com/polemic/status/1323362502286045185?s=21
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November 3, 2020 9:58am
Critical Thinker

? BREAKING ?
Evidence of Biden Payments from China Support Tony Bobulinski and Show the Bidens Made Millions Swindling America

The following is a small sampling of documents and other digital evidence that confirms Bobulinski’s assertions. This content has been certified via traditional computer forensic techniques and has been authenticated via these sources and methods:

– Hunter Biden’s official identification documents such as driver license, passport, and birth certificate
– A variety of Hunter Biden’s financial records
– Detailed records of wire transfer activity into and out of his accounts
– Source documents
– Email and messaging activity
– Voice recordings
– Imagery, video, cell phone, laptop, and geospatial linkages

The Bidens are a crime family. We have proof. Unlike the Democrats who claim all sorts of libelous activities of President Trump and his family.

The US and the world will lose if the Bidens, the Clintons, Obama and others steal this election.
https://apelbaum.wordpress.com/2020/11/02/the-biden-rat-years/
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November 3, 2020 10:04am
- fernglas
  
  Where do I go to find the smoking gun that links Joe Biden to his son’s corrupt activities?
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:37am
  - amospicton
    
    Could Hunter have done any of this if Joe wasn’t VP? Is it credible that Joe was unaware of what Hunter was doing? No and no.
    
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    November 3, 2020 1:46pm
    - fernglas
      
      So no smoking gun then? The first question is irrelevant to Joe Biden’s involvement. The second is an assumption without proof. Where is the proof?
      
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      November 3, 2020 3:28pm
- curry4me
  
  Critical Thinker: Thanks for posting this. I’m sure it’ll be on the ‘Biden Show’ this Saturday night on TV One / sarc.
  
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  November 3, 2020 12:47pm
Tony Stuart

Another serious question. Jenny Salesa was Building and Construction Minister, Customs Minister and Minister for Ethnic Communities (plus a couple of Associate Minister roles) and ranked #13 on Labour’s 2020 list.

Yesterday she was dumped from Cabinet completely, according to the Prime Minister because she wanted to go in a different direction. Salesa will be nominated as an Assistant Speaker, surely a role that no Minister in their right mind would ever actively seek in preference to a ministerial role.

Something seems a little strange here. Salesa may have been relatively anonymopus as a Minister, but as far as I know she never went mountain-biking while New Zealand was in lockdown, and she certainly has never faced accusations of assaulting staff members. When she was appointed to Cabinet she was hailed as New Zealand’s first Minister of Tongan descent, but now seem to have become a victim of Labour’s quest for diversity, rather than a poster-child.
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November 3, 2020 10:10am
- RJ
  
  I’d rather be assistant speaker. This government has created such a shit storm in all their departments I’d rather not be a minister if it was me.
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:25am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Unless Trevor wants out this term…
  (Knighthood, Ambassadorship….)
  
  Salesa will become Speaker.
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:34am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Adrian Rurawhe is set to become Deputy Speaker, after serving a term in the Assistant Speaker role. I suspect he would be next in line to succeed Mallard.
    
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    November 3, 2020 1:08pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Adrian Rurawhe the Great Stetson-Coiffed Pallor-Culture Appropriator? Shurely knot.
      
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      November 3, 2020 2:46pm
- cmm
  
  People want to measure parties to compare them.
  
  They destroy the old performance metrics that were useful: school performance, health waiting lists etc.
  
  They replace them with useless metrics: how many tattoos, how many gays,…
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:36am
  - kowtow
    
    GDP with “happiness”
    
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    November 3, 2020 10:51am
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

To ask the question is to answer it Tony.

How difficult does a pasifika woman have to be, to get dumped from a virtue signaling, ultra-pc labour cabinet?

Asking for a friend.
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November 3, 2020 10:31am
Maggie Pie

The Melborne Cup is the one time of year my partner really lashes out on the gee-gees. He’s just spent about 14k taking a ‘Field Trifecta’, so he’ll be praying for 3 roughies first second & third.
All the boys are making an afternoon of it down at the Viaduct. They have a sweepstake and put a grand in each then pick a horse from the hat. Winner takes all. So 1 chance in 24 of scooping the lot.
Hopefully things go well, or it could be a bit of a shitty week around here 🙁
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November 3, 2020 10:34am
- RJ
  
  So he’s out with the boys hoping for 3 roughies. Kinky
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:42am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  But Maggie darling, if it looks like being a shitty week put a few bob on Ellerslie race 9 #19.
  Look it up.
  You will not believe the names they give racehorses these days.
  
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  November 3, 2020 11:50am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Sorry, Colin Oscopy was a late scratching.
    
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    November 3, 2020 12:05pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      And gotta love the Trainers name…. A. Nelprober 😛
      
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      November 3, 2020 12:40pm
Batman

Twenty four hours to go…ish.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/11/09/why-trump-cant-afford-to-lose
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November 3, 2020 10:42am
- cmm
  
  I think you mean 36524 hours or thereabouts.
  
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  November 3, 2020 10:53am
oldfella

I plan to watch the US election tomorrow, but not sure how early – NZ time – the votes will start coming through. Anyone know? Cheers. 🙂
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November 3, 2020 11:07am
- All_on_Red
  
  Late afternoon
  
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  November 3, 2020 11:50am
  - All_on_Red
    
    To add, there are a few States where counting might go on, so might be a couple of days for clear results.
    Pennsylvania for one
    Nevada too but I don’t think Trump will win that one
    
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    November 3, 2020 11:52am
  - oldfella
    
    Cheers, AoR: TV1 and TV3 are doing specials from 4pm, but not interesting in their take on things.
    I seem to recall that in 2016 there was plenty of early voting coming in before that time. Anyone else have some thoughts?
    Basically, I have other things to do tomorrow, but don’t want to come home and find I’ve missed the first two round of the big fight.
    
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    November 3, 2020 11:56am
    - fernglas
      
      As with all fights, it’s the last two rounds you don’t want to miss
      
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      November 3, 2020 12:44pm
- frankflintstone
  
  I think the first states to close are on the east coast at 7pm….so 1pm here….
  
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  November 3, 2020 1:09pm
cmm

Sweet boy
Misunderstood
Such promise
Rihari said his son “put in his work” to obtain his patch.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123278148/gang-member-killed-in-headon-motorcycle-crash-received-his-patch-days-earlier
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November 3, 2020 11:17am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  That raping, burglarising and beating is hard yakka, eh bro?
  
  Then there’s the quota on the meth heads to meet….
  
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  November 3, 2020 12:33pm
Critical Thinker

Draft Kings Election Pool: Majority in 49 States Predict Trump Victory ??

Draft Kings’ official Twitter account posted a “DK Election Pool Alert” for its $100,000 pool on Monday, reporting that a majority of people in every state, with the exception of those in Colorado, predicted Trump would win the presidential election.

The entries topped 373,000 as of Monday afternoon.

Trump has continued to draw massive crowds to his rallies in key states in recent days. His Saturday rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, drew an estimated 57,000 people, and his Sunday rally in Rome, Georgia, drew roughly 30,000. Thousands of the signups for his recent rallies are “not Republican” and did not vote in 2016 ?
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/11/02/draft-kings-election-pool-majority-in-49-states-predict-trump-victory/
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November 3, 2020 11:18am
I remember when

Yep it must be Tuesday.
NZ Post just delivered my Saturday mail.
It would be okay if it wasn’t for the fact that it is happening nearly every week-end.
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November 3, 2020 11:23am
- Fletch
  
  My folks are semi-rural and their mail typically gets delivered between 2pm-4pm after most of the news is old.
  
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  November 3, 2020 1:36pm
- Biscuit
  
  Who gets mail delivered these days … especially since friends and acquaintances have finally twigged that they can send me all the Christmas Cards they like but I ain’t ever reciprocating?
  
  My bills are all sent by email.
  
  Payments made to me are all processed online.
  
  My last physical letter was my voting papers…
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear….

Jacinda has upset the Muslim Community with her appointment of Minister of Ethnic Communities..

The biggest shock for the Muslim community, it seems, is Ethnic Communities, going to Priyanca Radahkrishnan,

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ministerial-musical-chairs-worry-muslim-community
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November 3, 2020 11:25am
MCos

Another fun tweet. Note people in the background. https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1323347979332366338?s=21
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November 3, 2020 11:26am
I remember when

Let’s be honest.
Even without a flower in her hair, Jenny Salesa will be a better looking Speaker than Trevor.
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November 3, 2020 11:34am
greybeard

I meant to post this on Monday but forgot:
On Sunday morning Rachel Jackson-Lees, reading the 7am news on NewstalkZB was reporting the death of Sir Sean Connery.
She said that he was the first James Bond, “immortalised by films such as “Doctor Number” in 1962”.
Obviously she is not a Bond girl !
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November 3, 2020 11:47am
- RJ
  
  He was the first person to play James Bond in the movies. That’s what people will remember not the tv
  
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  November 3, 2020 12:11pm
Swifty

Let it be known that Patrick Gower is now a “national treasure”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/300148561/dr-ashley-bloomfield-patrick-gower-hilary-barry-new-zealand-tv-personality-of-the-year-finalists-revealed

FFS.
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November 3, 2020 11:48am
- graham
  
  Finalists for TV personality of the year include Hilary Barry, Patrick Gower, Tova O’Brien, and Wendy Petrie.
  
  When newsreaders and journalists are competing for the personality of the year, this tells you all you need to know about what is wrong with the state of current affairs. Somewhere along the line, they forgot they are meant to report on and analyse the news … not BE the news.
  
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  November 3, 2020 12:26pm
  - curry4me
    
    graham:
    
    Q: What’s the best place for a TV set?
    A: Trademe.
    
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    November 3, 2020 7:27pm
RJ

One expert, however, was more critical of the Government – and said it needed to “up its game”.

Professor of public health, Nick Wilson, said there needed to be an urgent review as there appeared to be failures at the border and managed isolation still.

“We’ve had a nurse infected, a maintenance worker, a port worker. These are system failures because we should be stopping all cases at the border.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-confirmed-case-in-the-community-in-christchurch-so-what-next/DITB635OATW3CS56O7THMRJZQY/
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November 3, 2020 11:50am
- RJ
  
  Wilson said people in isolation at Sudima were sharing rooms which was a breach of normal quarantine practice. Even when this was not occurring, hotels are not designed for quarantine, with “shared airspace” and unsuitable ventilation systems.
  
  “This is an area that needs an urgent review. It’s not adequate that workers are being placed at risk.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/11/coronavirus-border-needs-urgent-review-after-new-covid-19-community-case-expert.html
  
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  November 3, 2020 11:54am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Another day in the life of idiots.
    
    This is what happens when they use “Fawlty Towers”, “Dumb and Dumber”, and “BlackAdder” as training videos.
    
    Who would have thought that sharing rooms, airspace, or ventilation systems would allow viruses to propagate.
    
    Which puts everyone from the PM down to the health workers in the sub 80 IQ category.
    
    Multichoice for Covid-19 teams: The virus is airborne, and can travel large distances in a short time, and can live outside the body for days. So which of the following is true:
    (a) Sharing the same room is safe.
    (b) Sharing the same air space is safe.
    (c) Sharing the same ventilation is safe.
    (d) Using a room after other people have been there is safe.
    (e) Sharing a ventilation/air con system that uses HEPA grade filters that can filter down 0.03 microns or less AND that uses realtime Ozone AND realtime UV to immediately kill any particles / viruses trapped in the filters or in the airstream.
    
    It would appear that these days having a functioning brain is optional.
    
    So the massive breaches all over the place and and still an IFR less than that of the flu in NZ. Tell me again about what Covid-19 was all about. Oh sorry I forgot. It was Labour’s election platform.
    
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    November 3, 2020 2:46pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Yes and they were not testing maritime workers who came in from overseas, and not quarantining them. Who would have guessed it would cause a problem.
  
  Everyone from the PM down to the health officials should hang their heads in shame, before declaring the election null and void and resigning from their posts.
  
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  November 3, 2020 2:53pm
cmm

That a man should take a wife is a mystery.

That he should take two wives is a bigger mystery.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/accused-bigamist-pleads-not-guilty-in-porirua/PPAG2246PXFJPAYKDGYIAQE73A/

Of course effective bigamy is a lot more common.
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November 3, 2020 11:55am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Bigamy is its own punishment.
  
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  November 3, 2020 2:47pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Imagine having two mother in laws!
    
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    November 3, 2020 5:30pm
- greybeard
  
  “But the 48-year-old, despite showing up to court, did not appear when his name was called.”
  ( He was probably somewhere shagging his 3rd wife ).
  
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  November 3, 2020 4:24pm
Fletch

Biden’s campaign manager –

“We want to be fundamentally clear, what we believe to be true, under no scenario will Donald Trump be declared a victor on election night”

Stuck up, pretentious little shits….
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November 3, 2020 12:06pm
- Harriet
  
  They can take the time to count the votes in Philly all they like – as Trump isn’t going to need it!
  
  “One polling company, though, stands out. The Trafalgar Group accurately predicted Trump would win Michigan and Pennsylvania in 2016. Now Trafalgar forecasts Trump will take Florida, Michigan, and Arizona.
  Republican National Committee Chair Ronna McDaniel noted that 45 percent of the attendees at an October New Hampshire rally were not registered Republicans and 20 percent did not vote in 2016.
  Who would wait in line for hours to see a Trump rally in October and then not vote for Trump in November? It’s easy to predict there will be many new Trump voters this year in more states than just New Hampshire. ”
  
  And then you have the Latino vote nationwide – those who have seen the death, corruption and destruction that socialism has wrought in their homelands, the very reason why they came to America.
  
  Then you have the retiring educated women with young educated daughters voting – ones who all just witnessed Barrett being ridiculed, demeaned and denied.
  Barrett wasn’t an apprentice getting fired but rather hired by Donald.
  
  It’ll be a fucken landslide and a total rejection of the leftist narrative of global socialism, anarchism and wokeness. 😎
  
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  November 3, 2020 3:09pm
  - Batman
    
    I’ll “x2” you on the landslide list ?
    
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    November 3, 2020 5:05pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Don’t forget me Batman. I’ve done my share to be honoured
      
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      November 3, 2020 5:31pm
softail 1450

My elderly neighbor reckons there are that many gays in Cindys Caucus that when they send delegations to Muslim Countries it’ll be stipulated that all meetings must be held in single story buildings ,LOL.
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November 3, 2020 12:35pm
Fletch

re: The Hunter Biden laptop. Daily Caller points out that the FBI have had Hunter Biden’s laptop since December of 2019 and have done nothing about it. Still part of the swamp, it seems. Especially since the information would have been useful in Trump’s defense during the impeachment in January/February this year.

If that shop owner had not come forward, doubtless they would have totally ignored it. They could have notified Congress if it was deemed top secret, but they didn’t even do that, even though it directly impacted on the impeachment case.

On December 9, 2019, Mac Isaac received a federal subpoena – photographs of which are included in the Post’s article – showing that the FBI was taking possession of the materials. Since the Post’s story ran, Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe confirmed that the FBI does have the laptop and hard drive.

The FBI clearly has the laptop and hard drive – and has had them for nearly a year. Fortunately for us, Mac Isaac made copies (as he had the right to do) that were eventually shared with the New York Post. If not for this, it seems doubtful the American people would have learned the extent of the Biden family’s corruption.

Most concerning in the article was the allegation that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) was in possession of this computer and hard drive back in December 2019. This action took place right at the end of the U.S. House of Representative’s impeachment sham against President Donald J. Trump, and right before the U.S. Senate tried the case. A large portion of the President’s legal defense case revolved around strong evidence that former Vice President Biden’s son, Hunter, was peddling his influence to his father to land lucrative jobs overseas that he might not have otherwise been qualified for.

If the FBI was, in fact, in possession of this evidence and failed to alert the White House to its existence that would have given even more weight to the President’s legal defense, this was a gross error in judgement and a severe violation of trust.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/11/02/rep-andy-biggs-and-rep-jody-hice-the-federal-bureau-of-inaction/

The intelligence agencies are still anti-Trump.
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November 3, 2020 1:16pm
- RJ
  
  Christopher Wray’s connection to Rosneft and Gazprom will see him fired.
  
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  November 3, 2020 2:39pm
emmess

I am going to make a bold prediction
Trump wins the popular vote and then some.
I completely discount the polls favouring Biden by double digits or near, they are massively over sampling Democrats.
The poll at the end favouring Trump are probably not too far off but not picking up enough of the hidden Trump voters, add another 2-4% and I get a popular vote win to Trump by up to 3%.
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November 3, 2020 1:35pm
- waripori
  
  Does seem very bold.In 2016 Trump as the great outsider had narrow victories over an equally unpopular politician in Florida and the 3 midwest states and still lost the popular vote. The Democrats were divided and lots of Bernie’s supporters stayed home.Undecideds broke for Trump and the Comey announcement tipped the scales.
  
  This year Trump is a known and unpopular figure, while Biden is a known figure with a modest positive net favourable. Trump has a real problem with women voters as demonstrated in the mid terms and seems to have lost older voters who resent the way the virus has been handled. Independants who went for him last time seem to be more in Biden’s camp this time. Pollsters have found very few undecideds.
  
  Over 95 million votes have already been received which seems to indicate a high turn out with a lot of low propensity voters already voted.
  
  This does all seem to point to a Biden win in the popular vote of over 5% even allowing for the same polling error as last time ( which was really just the margin of error in a few states ). The only conta indicator seems to be the high turnouts at Trump rallies but these are presumably all Trump voters already. There is an indication the rallies might actually work against Trump as they are seen as very irresponsible.
  
  Trump still might win if things work out perfectly for him in a whole bunch of states but a victory in the popular vote seems very unlikely.
  
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  November 3, 2020 3:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Batman has a list, make sure you are on it
  
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  November 3, 2020 5:34pm
Nickc2

Congratulations must go to France’s President Macron. He has called the Muslim’s out. I didn’t think he had the balls to do it but he has. Must be his Granny’s influence.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/11/great-stuff-from-president-macron-islamic-precepts-which-go-against-french-culture-have-no-place-in-.html
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November 3, 2020 1:51pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Macron may have remembered, just in time, what happened to Philippe Pétain and Vidkun Quisling… both while they still lived and after they died…
  
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  November 3, 2020 2:50pm
I remember when

Does the Nanaia Mahuta Maori hierarchical position highlight on of the two of the difficulties that arise when settling Maori issues.
The first is the hierarchical positions, granted because of birth.
The second is the tribal membership power, granted because of the tribe you belong to relative to the area or institution involved.
Would Maori be better served if the actual ability of each person dictated their position in Maori affairs.
The Maori hui approach has much to recommend it. It is representative of the members collective view. Even the length of time taken to reach decisions has the benefit of allowing the time to fully digest the relevant information.
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November 3, 2020 2:07pm
- Tall Man
  
  Irrelevant for an external role such as Foreign Affairs imho.
  
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  November 3, 2020 3:37pm
I remember when

The way the court are restricting information about defendants, and cases, at present – you would think they were the Government!
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November 3, 2020 2:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trougher. Any country she goes to will probably have a quarantine requirement. Longer junket holiday
  
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  November 3, 2020 5:36pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Imagine it. “You have to stay in your room please”
    “do you know who I am?”
    
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    November 3, 2020 5:37pm
I remember when

Is the Christchurch Sudima hotel case the one announced with an oddish sort of wording yesterday?
Or is that one case yesterday at the Sudima and a second today?
Was it being fudged because the Government have to announce, and explain, not MOH.
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November 3, 2020 2:24pm
70andstilllearning

Oh dear Hipkins at the Cv 19 update today (paraphrased):
“who would have thought that anyone would catch the virus from a lift button”.
Hmmmmmmmm. Only the other 4,999,999 ( +- margin of error) that figured that touching a EFTPOS machine directly during lockdown wasn’t a good idea when we didn’t know the real extent of the spread and who else touched those buttons.
And then at the end when asked about tracer app ( I think given context of statements being made): (again paraphrased)
“no, we are not going to make it mandatory at the moment ,but everything is always under review”.
Very interesting comments from our new Covid Minister ( come Friday).
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November 3, 2020 2:43pm
- Biscuit
  
  70andstilllearning, a tip for you if you ever visit a Casino.
  
  Those joints NEVER ‘clean’ the gambling chips.
  
  Or at least they never did in pre-Covid days, heh…
  
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  November 3, 2020 9:00pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziVkMSRtXGQ

Timber! … and lobsters.

China is not being very friendly to Oz. More
trade difficulties on the log, and lobster front.
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November 3, 2020 3:17pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ZEMuDdbYk

Tough Month for the Presitator.

The CCP virus hasn’t been very good for the CCP
on the making friends and influencing people front.
There are BRICS, G-20, and other summits coming up.
He can’t hide behind spokes critters now. Putin isn’t
going to invite Xi back to the dacha for vodka and caviar.
Moda isn’t going to offer him his mums favourite curry
recipies either. Xi is Nigel no mates.
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November 3, 2020 3:17pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUC8y27a23s

Dem Bingo.

The usual suspects playing bingo. Except AOC isn’t on the same page. Enoy.
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November 3, 2020 3:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hilarious. Love the garden tool
  
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  November 3, 2020 5:43pm
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    Steve Otto(North Shore) : You’re welcome.
    
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    November 3, 2020 7:21pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/123284935/drinkdriver-causes-50k-worth-of-damage-after-stealing-police-car
No name suppression here.
Could that be because she is white ?
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November 3, 2020 4:34pm
- rangitoto
  
  Didn’t pay her Labour Party subs.
  
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  November 3, 2020 5:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She’s got a history with the cops..
  http://tvnz.co.nz/content/595263/4202557.xhtml
  
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  November 3, 2020 6:16pm
Maggie Pie

My partner just txt…. the boyz have been giving him jif about his Tri bet. They all know he’s struck it, just a matter now of what it pays. LOL!
Said he drew #5 in their sweepstake…. so here’s hopping. I’m heading up to get a feed of KFC 😀
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November 3, 2020 4:43pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Just got another txt……’feeling sick. home soon. save me some chicken’ 🙁
  
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  November 3, 2020 5:19pm
Jack5

Oliver Hartwich in a great talk on RNZ today, about NZ’s poor performance in housing, and in education.

We’re not good at having a debate about this, says Oliver, and he’s bang on target.

Oliver Hartwich doesn’t hold back – a sample: “In my impression the only subjects you can safely discuss at a dinner parties are rugby and the weather.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018770627
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November 3, 2020 4:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Savage call out by Tucker. The people who built American have been shit on by the Democrats, hence the big rallies for Trump.
https://rumble.com/vax7c3-tucker-carlsons-scorching-monologue-on-why-americans-love-trump-is-a-must-w.html?
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November 3, 2020 6:02pm
RJ

A second worker at the Sudima Hotel isolation facility in Christchurch has tested positive for Covid-19, the Ministry of Health has confirmed.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/123288168/covid19-second-community-case-confirmed-for-christchurch-linked-to-isolation-facility
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November 3, 2020 6:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear..
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/123288168/covid19-second-community-case-confirmed-for-christchurch-linked-to-isolation-facility

Might be time to check the PPE gear the Sudima Quarantine staff have been provided with.
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November 3, 2020 6:48pm
sooty

So how did all of whinestones dollars go on the geegees go on the Melbourne Cup?
Did he make a dollar or blow it on glue nags?
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November 3, 2020 7:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

“This is the sixth case we’ve had in three months of the virus escaping through the border and it’s clearly a failure of infection control,”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/11/coronavirus-another-lockdown-possible-if-complacency-border-failures-continue-sir-david-skegg.html
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November 3, 2020 7:33pm
Suze Wainwright

So Helen Clarkmeister is upset that the world’s media headlines ain’t shown Nanaia no respect…

Maybe an added challenge for Cindy in her second premiership tenure, is appreciating that the rest of the world couldn’t really give a sh!t about aotearoa and its progressive ways
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