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raven

8:27 and only one comment. The moderation is heavy here. Sad.

[Mod: Moderators have lives too, you know.]
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December 21, 2019 8:28am
peterwn

So the Tauranga Mayor wants the Government to appoint a commissioner or whatever to run the City as the Council is allegedly dysfunctional. Now one thing I learned at work, was that it was far better to sort out any issues with your colleagues rather than ask management to impose a solution. Reason – if you sort it out yourselves you come up with something that, while not perfect, is workable. If you involve Management, you may end up with a solution that neither party is comfortable with. Same with Tauranga City. By asking the Government to intervene the Mayor and Councillors are effectively abdicating control of the City to the Government. That needs to be cast as the number one issue and the Mayor and Councillors need to unify to deal with that issue – ie so the people of Tauranga retain control of the City.
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November 21, 2020 8:15am
lazza

Tenby Powell, ex-Mayor of Tauranga deserves praise for trying to turn around Tauranga CC. Trouble was his style of management was both naïve … and just plain dumb.

Any Mayor with common sense must realise … “it is just a numbers game”.

A working majority in the chamber is a given … DOHH!.

TCC is! a basket case. Our NZLG League Table places TCC at fourth from bottom … out of 67. [Others include Horowhenua, Auckland and Wellington].

Years of terrible TCC developer-dominated governance, greedy unprincipled and self interested management have come to “this” … the probable appointment of a State Manager.
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November 21, 2020 8:18am
Maggie Pie

“Maharba, Marhaba, Marhaba. Wots all this then?”

https://instagram.com/p/CHtPPpSAwuE/
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November 21, 2020 8:20am
- muppeth8r
  
  thanks for the daily cringe post…
  
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  November 21, 2020 8:26am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Oh Maggie…
  
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  November 21, 2020 8:28am
- BeeJay
  
  Something like a Sikh police officer wearing a turban? Oh, that’s ok, he’s a male? I don’t like the Islam religion but I can’t see any problem with a female police officer of the Islamic persuasion, employed and trained for our Police Force, wearing a head covering!
  
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  November 21, 2020 11:05am
Yvette

NZDF must expose troops’ ‘guilty secrets’ in wake of damning Australia report
– Nicky Hager
Journalist Nicky Hager believes New Zealand troops may have behaved in a similar way to Australian troops who are alleged to have committed unlawful killings in Afghanistan. – 1 News

‘No comparison’ between alleged Australian Defence Force atrocities in Afghanistan and Kiwis’ actions in Operation Burnham – Kiwi war journalist Jon Stephenson – Newshub
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November 21, 2020 8:23am
- rockape
  
  Gee, When I did 27 years in the infantry it was clear. My job was to close with the enemy and kill him. My governments job was to point me at the enemy.
  
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  November 21, 2020 6:03pm
G152

What’s going on over at Whaleoil??
Their daily thing has disappeared and when I last looked there was no activity anyway…
Maybe if those they had banned were still posting that wouldn’t be the case
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November 21, 2020 8:35am
- BAM
  
  Press control +f5.
  They’re purposely showing yesterdays cached website in an attempt to encourage more people to subscribe.
  
  You either subscribe or press control +f5 on your keyboard.
  
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  November 21, 2020 3:35pm
Suze Wainwright

With the impending opening of the new Parliament, how about a good old KB joke competition?

Complete the following:
This war criminal defending female Iranian refugee, gay Mexican Marxist, loud mouthed female American transportation planner, foul mouthed social activist wahine and uppity, entitled self-righteous younger woman all walk into this debating chamber when…

Could any responses please respect contemporary narratives with regard to inclusivity, diversity and progressive thinking.
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November 21, 2020 8:39am
mikenmildagain

Happy World Television Day!
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November 21, 2020 8:44am
- muppeth8r
  
  its saturday
  
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  November 21, 2020 5:33pm
Maggie Pie

Who else they got?

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1329538268518551553

LOL!!
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November 21, 2020 8:46am
Jack5

Wakie, wakie …

Morena, this is Radio Woken, a service of Red Radio – Radio (Aotearoa) NZ.

On our web site this morning we have:

“ Living with mental distress as a trans, gender diverse or non-binary person in Aotearoa New Zealand.”

AND

Trans Miss NZ Contestant helps bust myths at New Plymouth celebration day

(It’s from our Taranaki Whanganui reporter. For this coverage we are grateful for taxpayer funds for the scheme which feeds news to regional newspapers as well as to Radio Woke.)

AND

Report trans discrimination
Human Rights commission urges

AND

Why 1 in 5 teransgender people
Experience homelessness

AND

Woman evicted with 3 hours’
notice for being transgender

AND

Some Women are born
into womenhood and
Some have to fight for it

AND

Defining my own masculinity
and what it means to me

https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/here-we-are
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November 21, 2020 9:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Just embrace your inner woman, Jack5.
  
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  November 21, 2020 4:18pm
  - rockape
    
    MUCH PREFER TO BE IN A WOMAN THAN INNER WOMAN!
    
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    November 21, 2020 6:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/politicians-officially-exempted-from-lockdown-rules-since-lizard-people-cant-catch-covid/?
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November 21, 2020 9:12am
- emmess
  
  I think I got one
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ToekMyIHU
  
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  November 21, 2020 9:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well done, just got this. At 11am this morning there were only 13 comments on GD.
    Mods have a life, but there is no roster system
    
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    November 21, 2020 4:15pm
Jack5

Spare a thought for Hong Kong, where people must be still reeling from the political turmoil.

A “fourth wave” of Wuhan flu has hit the territory, with 60 new cases.

Meanwhile, the South China Morning Post, owned by Jack Ma, who was recently lined up by Beijing, is again alleging that Covid 19 didn’t originate in China:

“Wuhan was where the coronavirus was first detected but it was not where it originated,” Zeng Guang, former chief epidemiologist of the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), told an online academic conference on Thursday.
Zeng is the second senior Chinese epidemiologist who has weighed in on the controversial topic in recent weeks.

Wu Zunyou, the CDC’s present chief epidemiologist, made a similar suggestion last week, saying the pathogen could have come into the country in imports of frozen seafood or meat products.
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November 21, 2020 9:22am
RJ

Trump attorney Sidney Powell fires back: Tucker Carlson was ‘insulting, demanding, and rude’ —

https://mobile.twitter.com/danielchaitin7/status/1329763477938954242
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November 21, 2020 9:28am
Jack5

Friday was the the 35th birthday of Microsoft Windows.

Windows 1.0 was released on Windows 1.0 on Nov. 20, 1985.

For a look at Windows 1.0:

https://www.howtogeek.com/700661/35-years-of-microsoft-windows-remembering-windows-1.0/
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November 21, 2020 9:28am
I remember when

‘Statistical anomalies in 2020 Presidential Election’.
Who would ever have thought it.
Everything in moderation.
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November 21, 2020 9:40am
lazza

Remember this old KB posting?

“But how does the three metres (of sea level rise) used by Radio NZ compare to the IPCC. What is their worst case scenario for business as usual? It is 110 cms, not (as stated by RNZ) 300 cms.

So Radio NZ should apologise for misrepresenting the scientific consensus.”

So did RNZ apologise?

Not to my knowledge.

They still can and should do. It is a matter of public trust in our publicly funded “Institution”.

RNZ’s “neutrality” to my mind is a matter of serious importance.

The radio voice of a nation is honour-bound to disseminate balanced unbiased viewpoints of all colours.

By and large RNZ does so although there are numerous examples of left wing (rarely right wing) perspectives.

RNZ governance MUST enforce sincere accountable policies of independence . Taxpayers are entitled to expect this. Our Government must refrain from using RNZ as a vehicle of political propaganda.

The gold that is RNZ content is tarnished by anything less.
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November 21, 2020 9:43am
KevO'Brien

What Ardern’s signing us up for (and other things).
https://summit.news/2020/11/20/john-kerry-says-great-reset-is-needed-to-stop-rise-of-populism/

Includes an excellent video interview with James Delingpole.
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November 21, 2020 9:46am
- John Joseph
  
  Don’t you worry Scum bags
  
  a reset is coming
  
  But it might JUST not be the one you are thinking of
  
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  And I say to my people’s masters: Beware
  Beware of the thing that is coming, beware of the risen people
  Who shall take what ye would not give.
  Did ye think to conquer the people, or that law is stronger than life,
  And than men’s desire to be free?
  We will try it out with you ye that have harried and held,
  Ye that have bullied and bribed.
  Tyrants… hypocrites… liars!
  
  https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rebel_(Pearse)
  
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  November 21, 2020 1:59pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    1.59pm you posted, and no comments. Wonder why?
    Troll alert at 4.30pm
    
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    November 21, 2020 4:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Does anyone talk about class these days?

However, at the same time as our politicians are becoming more diverse – especially those from the Labour and Green parties – this doesn’t extend to socio-economics or social class. MPs’ occupational backgrounds are more middle-class than ever.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2020/nov/20/new-zealands-politicians-are-too-middle-class-to-tackle-our-biggest-problems
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November 21, 2020 9:47am
- emmess
  
  Yes, the left do talk about how they despise the white working class.
  
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  November 21, 2020 9:51am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  They might be of a class, but they ain’t classy
  
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  November 21, 2020 9:54am
- Maggie Pie
  
  We still talk about it the tennis club Maggs.
  
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  November 21, 2020 9:59am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yeah, but it must be getting tricky nowadays to recognise who to blackball when everyone wears ripped Jeans, is covered in tats, and speaks NZild.
    
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    November 21, 2020 10:09am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      It’s not hard when you were born with it Maggs
      Like my partners says, it’s the one thing you can’t buy.
      
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      November 21, 2020 10:15am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The “Labour Parties” and their ilk around the world are no longer the Parties of the workers and tradesmen, they are the Parties of the University so called “elite” who think they know best for the workers and look down on them.
  
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  November 21, 2020 10:09am
muppeth8r

almost 10am and the mods are still snoozing, pretty pointless having a blog site and no ability to interact except for the few that are more equal then the rest and have posting privlidges… or is KB just adopting youtube and twitter censorship and shadowbans of things they dont like.
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November 21, 2020 9:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There are a few mods that could, possibly, may do that
  
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  November 21, 2020 4:31pm
  - muppeth8r
    
    does make one wonder when later comments get posted yet earlier ones stay in limbo all day
    
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    November 21, 2020 5:34pm
I remember when

“Schools footing the bill to teach teachers new literacy approach.”
Wanaka Holy Family School, 225 pupils, has spent about $30,000 on professional development and another $15,000 on resources to complement the structured literacy approach.
This involves systemic instruction in phonics – and phonemic awareness: the 44 unique sounds that distinguish words from each other.
Some teachers have been hesitant about doing something that seems at odds with the way they were taught to teach.
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November 21, 2020 9:48am
I remember when

Can’t wait for the covid vaccine.
Because vaccines solve everything!
In future, we will be able to lockdown for every problem until we get a vaccine.
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November 21, 2020 10:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Vaccines for coughs, colds, sore arseholes …..
  
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  November 21, 2020 4:06pm
Fletch

It’s funny, how before the election both Democrats and the media were concerned about the software used in voting machines (that originated in Venezuela and helped Chavez and Maduro win elections). But afterwards – silence.

In 2019 Senators Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), and Ron Wyden (D-OR), were so upset with the performance of the machines and software provided by Dominion Voting Systems that they penned a formal letter of complaint to the founders and co-CEOs of Dominion’s parent company, H.I.G. Capital, Inc demanding answers.

https://nationalfile.com/democrats-warren-klobuchar-wyden-wrote-complaint-against-dominion-in-2019/

I guess they don’t care now if it causes Trump to lose.

And the media –

Huffington Post –

https://nationalfile.com/democrats-warren-klobuchar-wyden-wrote-complaint-against-dominion-in-2019/

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-black-box-voting-mach_b_8082384

Atlantic Journal –

https://www.ajc.com/news/state–regional-govt–politics/threats-georgia-elections-loom-despite-new-paper-ballot-voting/c5blwnfcwaGh8yTRQSn2uJ/

USA Today –

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/11/02/computer-experts-sound-warnings-safety-americas-voting-machines/6087174002/

PBS had a whole segment on how vulnerable the system is, which only aired Oct 27th.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v62C-riEZ0I

But as I said, none of them care now if there was cheating. As long as Biden won.
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November 21, 2020 10:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Deaf ears Fletch. Watch for the diversions. Oh, end of the day Trump will win. Then the shit starts. Crybabies rioting, that is just a tantrum
  
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  November 21, 2020 4:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Ibrahim Omer explains why he became an MP.
Former Eritrean refugee who’s New Zealand’s first African MP
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-55007232
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November 21, 2020 10:54am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/new-ar-15-glows-blue-when-libs-are-near/?
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November 21, 2020 11:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That’s patented. Better check with the Tolkien estate before you invest, they may send hobbits to reclaim them while you’re sleeping.
  
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  November 21, 2020 11:01am
  - sooty
    
    Would be better to glow red to warn them to run to their safe spaces to suck their thumbs!
    
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    November 21, 2020 11:50am
Maggie Pie

And I’ll tell you something else that really p*sses me off.
I see as an Auckland Ratepayer I’ve already contributed 40 mill to the silly Americas Cup.
Yet when the Herald published a diagram of the sailing course yesterday, they’re not even coming anywhere near Tindalls!
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November 21, 2020 11:19am
- Don Beckett
  
  That’s a “Bugger”.
  
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  November 21, 2020 11:32am
  - sooty
    
    Just think of the increase of property value if they were 100m offshore!
    
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    November 21, 2020 11:52am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      At 50 knots! and my boat does 42 knots and I have 140 HP
      
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      November 21, 2020 4:37pm
Stu2

Kudos to the US covid modellers.

The daily deaths hit 1000 a day in the July peak and then dropped back to 600-700.

At that stage the modellers predicted at least 2000 a day in late fall/winter. I looked at their curves and thought really, are you sure about that?

They were absolutely on the money, 2065 yesterday and getting worse
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November 21, 2020 11:55am
- Inandout
  
  What about car models, any road deaths or did they all suicide with covid?
  
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  November 21, 2020 1:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

When one door closes, another one opens.
Other than that, it’s a pretty good car
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November 21, 2020 12:04pm
- mark15
  
  Ahhhh banter.I miss it…
  
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  November 21, 2020 12:27pm
oldfella

Has there been some kind of unexpected event overnight? Did the Rapture come and leave me behind?
Just trying to understand why when I popped by at midday, there were only 13 comments in the general discussion section.
Ah… 13… hmmm. Spooky, possums.
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November 21, 2020 12:04pm
- pdm
  
  Mods on strike?
  
  My comment on the Steven Joyce Post at about 8.46am remains uncleared at almost 1pm.
  
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  November 21, 2020 12:56pm
Biscuit

I dunno, I make time in my busy day to take my coffee and cronut to my den, log into Kiwiblog to see what the regulars are opining about today and – at 12.19 of an afternoon – there are only 14 comments in General Debate?

What
friggin’
GIVES?
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November 21, 2020 12:21pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I suspect it’s because nobody can be bothered scrolling past that ludicrously long post about the US election.
  
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  November 21, 2020 2:25pm
Maggie Pie

I don’t know if anyone else has noticed, but whenever you respond to Jack Tame on Twitter with something he doesn’t like, his response is always the same…..

“I’m busy spinning plates”

WTF?
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November 21, 2020 12:38pm
- crikey
  
  “I’m busy spining plates” just means he’s a clown.
  
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  November 21, 2020 12:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Bit of a slow day on Kiwiblog….

Is something happening somewhere?
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November 21, 2020 12:54pm
- Fletch
  
  Awaiting moderation.
  
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  November 21, 2020 1:24pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOXo6NhrT-s

Teachers Pet Red pilled. Ultimatum to Muslims.

President Macron wants to shore up his position in respect to the National Rally.
He gave the French Council of the Muslim Faith an ultimatum. No foreign
Interference, and end all practices of political Islam. They have two weeks to comply.
Those who don’t sign will be seen as an enemy of the republic. I wonder if he’ll get
a ‘holiday card’ from $oros this year?
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November 21, 2020 12:57pm
curry4me

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/20/dominion-voting-systems-lawyers-up-abruptly-backs-out-of-pa-state-house-fact-finding-hearing/

Dominion Voting Systems Thursday night abruptly backed out of attending a fact-finding hearing that was set for Friday morning with the Pennsylvania House State Government Committee. At a press conference Friday morning, State Govt Committee Chair Seth Grove said the 1.3. million Pennsylvanians who used Dominion’s voting machines have been “hung out to dry and slapped in their faces.” Pennsylvania lawmakers had scheduled the hearing with the voting machine manufacturer “to help identify and correct any irregularities in the election process,” (Snip)“It is vitally important voters have faith in the machines they use to cast their ballots.
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November 21, 2020 12:57pm
Liberty

Attending the National party conference?
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November 21, 2020 1:08pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300164333/nationals-own-failings-cost-it-the-election-says-john-key

Good on Sir John Key for talking sense at the National Party meeting.
Shame about Party President, Mr Goodfellow though – still handwringing about Jacinda and the media.
Yes, Ms Ardern’s celebrity status and the media’s determination to achieve a certain result did nothing to enhance National’s chances.
But – move on. National made a lot of mistakes, didn’t listen and were consumed by internal issues.
Still trying to blame someone else, something else, anything else just won’t do it for National’s future.
Maybe time for Mr Goodfellow to make way for someone with a more modern perspective?
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November 21, 2020 1:16pm
- barnacle bill
  
  The National Party problems are far greater than just Goodfellow.
  J Collins will never get wide support.
  
  She reminds me of when being a kid, we all had old Aunties that we tried to avoid, they were unlikeable and old nags.
  
  She is one of those.
  You cant turn a pigs ear into a silk purse.
  
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  November 21, 2020 2:45pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Sometimes when your Parents, all your Uncles and other Aunties have left home to join Swingers Anonymous, go on a ‘Choose your Identity’ cruise, join Tree Huggers Inc, or book into rehab, that Aunty may be the only thing between you and the enemy at the gate. Until there is someone else.
    
    “One day at the end of class, little Johnny’s teacher asks the class to go home and think of a story to be concluded with the moral of that story.
    
    The following day the teacher asks for the first volunteer to tell their story.
    
    Little Suzy raises her hand.
    “My dad owns a farm and every Sunday we load the chicken eggs on the truck and drive into town to sell them at the market.
    Well, one Sunday we hit a big bump and all the eggs flew out of the basket and onto the road.”
    
    When the teacher asked for the moral of the story, Suzy replied, “Don’t keep all your eggs in one basket.”
    
    Little Lucy went next.
    “My dad owns a farm too.
    Every weekend we take the chicken eggs and put them in the incubator.
    Last weekend only eight of the 12 eggs hatched.”;
    Again, the teacher asked for the moral of the story.
    Lucy replied, “Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.”
    
    Next up was little Johnny.
    “My Aunty Judy fought in the Vietnam war, and her plane was shot down over enemy territory.
    She jumped out before it crashed, but could only take a bottle of scotch, a machine gun and a machete.
    
    On the way down, she drank the scotch.
    Then she landed right in the middle of 100 Vietnamese soldiers.
    She shot 70 with her machine gun, but then she ran out of bullets!
    So she pulled out her machete and killed 20 more.
    Then the blade on her machete broke, so she killed the last ten with her bare hands.”
    The teacher looked a little shocked.
    
    After clearing her throat, she asked what possible moral there could be to this story.
    “Well,” Johnny replied, “Don’t f**k with Aunty Judy when she’s been drinking.”
    
    🙂
    
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    November 21, 2020 3:12pm
- chukar
  
  Gravel
  No change in the Nat electeds.
  What does it take to learn?
  
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  November 21, 2020 6:58pm
Maggie Pie

ROBIN: ‘Where are you Batman?”

BATMAN: “On I’m on my way in. Been in the bathroom”

ROBIN: “What the fuck’s a hroom?”

😛
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November 21, 2020 1:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Very good
  
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  November 21, 2020 4:41pm
The Proper Ghandi

In these uncertain and unstable times, at least the one thing we can count on is that the media will always remain objective, unbiased and fully independent source of information.

https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace/status/1327597849849131008
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November 21, 2020 1:38pm
John Joseph

How much Debt has that Corrupt useless incompetent institution the
Auckland Super shit*y Council got it self into last glance?

Any one know

Is it crammed to the brim with CCP agents yet

Or is that a work in progress
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November 21, 2020 1:53pm
John Joseph

Hey are all the P Bong Smoking gangs

Still smoking a big pipe unchallenged by the
Dorkland police every weekend on the Water
Fronts

Same place every weekend

I suppose they all vote for CINDY
and get a FREE PASS
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November 21, 2020 1:54pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Your ‘caps lock’ is fucked. Try 8 year old english
  
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  November 21, 2020 4:43pm
  - John Joseph
    
    Steve O
    
    The Mods will protect you from
    THE TRUTH you can’t handle
    
    You Cuddle that sheep
    
    All your Dreams are going to come True
    in the Socialist Paradise of Aotearoa
    
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    November 21, 2020 11:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This link may not work.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=1358462017682270
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November 21, 2020 3:06pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/123467892/covid19-six-new-cases-of-coronavirus-one-a-border-worker-already-in-quarantine
Mind you, it is only 9 months since CV-19 became an international problem: we must give this caring, transformational and “delivering” government some leeway.
Border controls seem to be the least of their worries.
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November 21, 2020 4:29pm
Maggie Pie

Twitter trending…

@jack has confirmed Biden will receive @POTUS Twitter account on Jan 20, even if Trumpy doesn’t concede.

(My partner was wondering what the penalty is for someone impersonating the President of the United States?)
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November 21, 2020 5:02pm
- Couchpotatoe
  
  Tell your partner 4 more years of Trump.
  
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  November 21, 2020 6:02pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Can’t be true. ????
https://www.oann.com/lin-wood-president-trump-won-400-electoral-votes/?
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November 21, 2020 5:24pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  As pointed out on the other thread, L Lin Wood is a noted crank:
  https://www.motherjones.com/2020-elections/2020/11/meet-the-lawyer-behind-the-georgia-election-lawsuit-that-trump-is-obsessed-with/
  You’re welcome.
  
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  November 21, 2020 5:46pm
- Couchpotatoe
  
  Hilarious is it not?
  
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  November 21, 2020 6:04pm
John Joseph

Does Auckland ?

Still allow White Australian Woman
to be burned alive in their Cars?

or has it actually got worse?
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