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Tasman Terror

I see Sir Ron Brierley was in the news this week.
Reminds me of his explanation 30 years ago of the secret of his success: “Head down, bum up.”
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November 28, 2020 8:05am
- SB2
  
  An odd person whom the late Michael King noted enjoyed re runs of old Cricket tests as a favourite pasttime.
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:00am
  - calendar girl
    
    What’s odd about that? Tell us about your favourite past-time.
    
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    November 28, 2020 10:16am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Wasn’t it Bob Jones that said the signs of abhorrent behavior were evident from an early age?
    Sir Ron was also a Stamp Collector.
    
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    November 28, 2020 11:08am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Bob Jones would know about abhorrent behaviour.
      
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      November 28, 2020 11:37am
  - Inandout
    
    SB2, do you watch re-runs of Fidel Castro, or perhaps Jeremy Corbyn?
    
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    November 28, 2020 11:34am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Soviet May Day parades.
      
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      November 28, 2020 12:47pm
artemisia

I’m missing something here. Is something strange going on with Jobseeker – Work Ready benefit?

The MSD weekly report to 20 November shows a decrease of 30 in the number of Jobseeker Support – Work Ready recipients in the week prior. But 2,141 cancels into work from Jobseeker Support during that same week.

Confused. Anyone have a better take on the numbers given the current focus on worker shortages?

Perhaps MSD is using Dominion software.

https://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/statistics/benefit/2020/income-support-and-wage-subsidy-weekly-update/income-support-weekly-update-20-november-2020.pdf
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November 28, 2020 8:05am
- muppeth8r
  
  ive heard of word salads but that link is the first graph salad ive seen.
  
  most likely hiding something, mass fraud/ ineligability discovered. remember theres been many planeloads of third world dwelling “NZers” flood our borders, the weekly welfare payment here is likely equivelent to a months work in their (real) home country.
  
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  November 28, 2020 8:58am
  - Catgurl13
    
    As well as serious law breaking visitor Visa and work visa holders,yet they are allowed to say for so called humanitarian reasons. Never mind the poor victims they hurt,it’s all about the perp being helped and saved instead of being deported. NZ is a joke.
    
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    November 28, 2020 10:05am
  - artemisia
    
    Likes ‘graph salad’. Glad it is not just me. I did spend some highly unproductive time trying to figure out how the various graphs and numbers relate to each other. I feel an OIA request coming on ….
    
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    November 28, 2020 10:56am
Catgurl13

We knew this was coming……now they think we owe them. They also want ongoing investment into their community, what a cheek. We are already paying them welfare payments and ACC for the spouses who don’t even qualify to be here any longer.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/300166592/payout-to-march-15-terror-attack-victims-the-right-thing-to-do
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November 28, 2020 8:07am
- IC5000
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  It is an independent report written by one individual. There is no indication that it has the support of the majority of those affected.
  
  Stop lying
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:13am
  - Catgurl13
    
    I’m not lying about anything, as it’s a precurser to get more money out of NZ tax payers to fund the lives of these people who think we owe them for the rest of their lives. Stop being so naive!!
    
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    November 28, 2020 10:17am
    - Batman
      
      Yes you sincerely believe that. And it shows
      
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      November 28, 2020 10:35am
    - IC5000
      
      If one is prepared to steal news articles without paying for them one is prepared to lie to deny innocent people who have lost their loved ones or have been maimed for life any kind of assistance on the basis of their skin colour.
      
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      November 28, 2020 11:07am
      - Inandout
        
        IC, WTF, do you actually pay for Stuff articles?
        
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        November 28, 2020 11:38am
      - Catgurl13
        
        Gosh what a load of absolute tosh. News articles are put on the net to read them if you are clever enough to do this. It’s not stealing at all. The only one talking about skin colour is you. These people have had a lot of help already from Kiwis, but we do not owe them for the rest of their lives here and we aren’t responsible for what happened to them.
        
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        November 28, 2020 11:52am
      - marcw
        
        Perhaps IC5000, as a fellow Aussie, seeing as the perpetrator of this massacre was one of yours, you could see your way to paying up then for all the innocent people you are sticking up for instead of us “innocent NZ taxpayers.”
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/10/general_debate_24_october_2020.html/comment-page-1#comment-2828198
        
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        November 28, 2020 12:26pm
      - IC5000
        
        Interesting. Criminals often concoct all kinds of lies to themselves and others to avoid any kind of responsibility for their actions and confronting who they really were. I recently reread Life at the bottom by prison doctor Theodore Dalrymple who dealt with this kind of antisocial behavior on a regular basis with the criminal class. It appears that this kind of behaviour is not limited to criminals.
        
        I’m also a duel citizens with investments in NZ for which I pay tax on so I too am contributing for which I have no issues.
        
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        November 28, 2020 12:30pm
      - Catgurl13
        
        IC5000 really isn’t that clever lol. They are sadly not very tech savvy haha. You do talk a whole load of nonsense and crapola. You also have an overactive imagination putting words in people’s mouths and inventing so called crimes lol. It’s a shame you are quite a bit behind PC wise….do try to keep up. It’s not a crime to read articles on the net that are put out there. How you read them is up to the viewer to decide the type of browser and method. There are many many choices of which you sadly know nothing about haha.
        
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        November 28, 2020 1:52pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Welcome to what passes for evidence and logic on today’s KB.
    
    Event: Person A says X.
    
    KB response: Person A is from ABC community, therefore when he says X, he really means Y. This proves that the whole of ABC community thinks Y, just as I’ve been saying.
    
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    November 28, 2020 2:01pm
- Crossing The Bar
  
  We owe them absolutely nothing. We’ve allowed them to come to our country from their own severely broken and disfunctional homelands. A little gratitude for that wouldn’t go amiss.
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:24am
  - IC5000
    
    So they’re the white mans burden then? Nice to see you circumventing your one month ban with such class Proper Ghandi 😊
    
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    November 28, 2020 11:08am
    - Catgurl13
      
      You are the only one bring race into it. No one else has even mentioned anything to do with race. Your little imagination is getting away with you.
      
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      November 28, 2020 12:05pm
- cas
  
  What did they get from all the donations?
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:48am
  - Catgurl13
    
    A few million dollars actually and they have had residency and citizenship free passes. They had also access to ACC and benefits paid for by us already.
    
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    November 28, 2020 11:55am
    - hilaryt
      
      Yes. A tot up of the support so far would be enlightening, but we have a fair idea as the Qatari dosh was distributed recently I think. I read this piece & was surprised it was Manji writing it. Thought he had more sense. Failure to protect?
      Bit like all the battered children, victims of domestic & other violence…are they more protected & less deserving? Regular or common garden victims of serious crime get what’s going. I doubt anyone will take this seriously.
      
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      November 28, 2020 2:06pm
Yvette

After the Christchurch Mosque Massacres, Whakaari / White Island eruption, and the Covid-10 Pandemic, has international acclaim confirmed for Jacinda Ardern that her greatest talent lies in disaster management, so next week we will have the ultimate triumph – the Declaration of a Climate Crisis.

Of course a real crisis is a stardust blinded populace that votes into power a Government that does absolutely nothing but rearrange proverbial deck-chairs while uttering endless words, slogans and bumper stickers.

So I wrote that, then in Newsroom, read this –

NZ may be excluded from climate leaders summit
New Zealand may not be invited to a meeting of high-ambition climate leaders in December over concerns about the country’s inaction on climate change, Marc Daalder reports

While the final list of attendees has yet to be determined, Newsroom understands New Zealand may be excluded over concerns it is not doing enough to reduce emissions.
Last week, British High Commissioner to New Zealand Laura Clarke told a climate change conference that she was concerned about a credibility gap between New Zealand’s rhetoric and action.

“You have Scandinavian ambitions in terms of quality of life and public services, but a US attitude to tax. The brand 100% Pure New Zealand lulled many into a false sense of security, when the environmental reality is far more challenging.”
Despite Jacinda Ardern’s 2017 remarks promising to treat climate change as “this generation’s nuclear-free moment” and the Government’s intention next week to declare a climate emergency, New Zealand has one of the worst climate records of industrialised nations.

If a Climate Crisis is to be declared in New Zealand, we need to know why.
Inaction.
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November 28, 2020 8:08am
- Catgurl13
  
  Jacinda is obviously worried she won’t be invited to the big puffery meeting. It’s an emergency that NZ complies with the UN’s demands asap.
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:00am
- muppeth8r
  
  hahahaha aw poor cindy will have her work cut out for her then.
  the podium of truth, hijab, frowny face and hugs are no match for climate change.
  
  in all honesty the move to declare climate crisis is most likely due to the risk cindy is guna miss out on the UN event.
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/123532140/nz-faces-exclusion-from-major-event-of-carboncutting-nations
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Let’s be very clear about terminology here:
  
  Our PM is seeking to declare a Climate emergency… not a Crisis.
  
  When NZ is placed into a State of Emergency, then special laws apply
  http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0033/51.0/DLM150775.html
  
  It will be interesting to see whether a State of Climate Emergency falls within the confines of the CDEM Act 2002 or not.
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:50am
  - Catgurl13
    
    Then new climate taxes will apply……
    
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    November 28, 2020 10:21am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      They can try, but where’s the money coming from in this locked down State of New Tyranny (Niu Tirani, whakamaori).
      
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      November 28, 2020 11:08am
    - Nickc2
      
      You are onto it! A climate change tax the likes of which we have never seen.
      I hope all you idiots who voted for this Govt. are happy to pay the tax.
      
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      November 28, 2020 1:55pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        But…but….Obama solved the Climate Crisis, didn’t he?
        https://realclimatescience.com/2020/11/bbc-world-to-end-next-month/
        
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        November 28, 2020 7:41pm
  - NewInoffensiveName
    
    This. Is it empty virtue signalling or a signal of permanent tyranny?
    
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    November 28, 2020 10:32am
    - giltee
      
      Virtue signalling yes but climate change legislation is a socialists utopia, an excuse for control and taxes.
      
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      November 28, 2020 12:26pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It will darn difficult to bring climate change, no matter how microscopic, within the ambit of that Act.
    First there has to be proof of Climate Change, if any, then applied reason which seems to be wondrously lacking. Politics is no substitute for thought.
    
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    November 28, 2020 11:06am
- Fletch
  
  It’s unbelievable that while the world is in the midst of a REAL crisis with covid that people are still pushing this bullshit. What would take for them to give up their fairy tale? An atomic bomb? No, they’d be worried how the smoke from the fallout was affecting the climate while people were dying in agony around them (which isn’t too far from what is happening now, especially overseas).
  
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  November 28, 2020 10:52am
- JackRabbit
  
  “…confirmed for Jacinda Ardern that her greatest talent lies in disaster management, so next week we will have the ultimate triumph – the Declaration of a Climate Crisis…”
  
  Her greatest talent lies in disaster creation and management.
  
  Fixed it.
  
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  November 28, 2020 11:28am
- freethinker
  
  Yvette-white island and the mosque were just practices being created by events so ardern cannot be held responsible, the real crisis is coming 2021 and will be partially created by the current governing clowns and they will be less successful than kiwibuild, except in building a bigger debt mountain.
  
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  November 28, 2020 11:52am
Swifty

I’ve noticed in the last wee while a number of the Polish ‘Pahiatua children’ are passing on.

Some typical biographies if of interest:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123166461/former-polish-refugee-found-new-hope-and-life-in-new-zealand

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300042276/krystyna-tomaszyk-survived-deportation-to-dreaded-siberia?rm=a

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/capital-life/119260675/teresa-noblecampbell-an-orphan-who-was-mother-to-hundreds-of-school-children?rm=a
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November 28, 2020 8:13am
muppeth8r

Why havent national or act questioned the govt on why isolation capacity wasnt ramped up for xmas?

Also why no bubble with aussie yet or at least WA where theyve done many times better then cindy dealing with covid?
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November 28, 2020 8:13am
- IC5000
  
  > Why havent national or act questioned the govt on why isolation capacity wasnt ramped up for xmas?
  
  It’s an indication of their competence I suspect.
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:16am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Heh. Was on Newshub last night.
  
  Aus govt calling for it
  NZ govt *tumbleweed*
  
  Also, Aus govt paying bonuses to seasonal workers
  NZ govt: “terrible, shocking, cheating…”
  2 weeks later…
  NZ govt paying bonuses…
  
  You get the drift
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:28am
  - IC5000
    
    > Also, Aus govt paying bonuses to seasonal workers
    
    You mean the 2k bonus when it costs 3k for quarantine in NZ. Genius move.
    
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    November 28, 2020 1:28pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      As ever you make very little sense.
      
      Quarantine has precisely nothing to do with it as (a) Aus isn’t insisting on it an (b) NZ’s $1k “bribe” is aimed at those already in NZ
      
      better to keep ones mouth shut and thought a fool…
      
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      November 28, 2020 3:39pm
      - IC5000
        
        So you’re saying that it’s actually financially advantageous to have to pay an extra $1,000 out of your pocket? Not a lot I can say in response to that kind of financial acumen.
        
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        November 28, 2020 5:17pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        No I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of the NZ govt that says “we know best” rubbishes what other countries do and when everyone has moved on because of their short attention span (you’re a prime example) quietly copies what they previously rubbished and then often trumpets it as their own idea
        
        BTW the “so you’re saying” is the current iteration of Godwin’s law – if you need me to explain that too I’m perfectly willing to
        
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        November 28, 2020 9:29pm
    - artemisia
      
      Hort workers from here who take up the Australian offer will stay until there is a vaccine or MIQ into New Zealand is no longer required.
      
      Of course there is also the possibility they will decide they like the work, the pay, the climate and decide to stay.
      
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      November 28, 2020 5:34pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Precisely. Mr 5000 up there is an idiot
        
        The Aus deal was a $2k bonus after working 6 weeks, then you can stay another 6 weeks – holiday or more working and then come back to NZ without having to pay the quarantine fee
        
        Or as you say, stay on
        
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        November 28, 2020 9:26pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        And life as a “guest worker” who pays full tax and gets no access to social services …
        
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        November 28, 2020 9:47pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        *Shrug* much like the guest workers who ordinarily come to NZ for a working holiday then
        
        And the rest of the world
        
        But they also can get accommodation costs and travel help in Australia
        
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        November 28, 2020 10:08pm
- pdm
  
  Parliament only starts sitting from next week – and then watch for the urgency so question time is circumvented in favour of `feel good’ legislation.
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:37am
  - Paulus
    
    As soon as this Parliament finishes end of following week Ihumatao settlement will be announced when Parliament rises, before returning in February and you will all have forgotten and forgiven.
    
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    November 28, 2020 1:34pm
artemisia

South Wairarapa locals unhappy that bank branches have now been superseded by a banking hub.

Unhappy because – banks make big profits and anyway a local café owner has a nightmare having to keep running to Masterton to get change and there’s no advice.

No mention of ROI for banks, nor reducing the number of runs for change, or using the phone to get advice.

Honestly, how did #8 wire turn into it’s always someone else’s fault?
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November 28, 2020 8:19am
- Prince
  
  No. 8 wire was really the emblem for the generation born around 1910-1940.
  Baby boomers have been mollycoddled from cradle to grave. Plunket, free schooling and uni, free health, low taxes, cheap houses, Super, Govt-supported Kiwisaver, Gold Card etc etc.
  Give us a length of No. 8 wire and we’d need instructions.
  
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  November 28, 2020 10:36am
  - Bob
    
    How many of the post Boomers would actually know what a piece of #8 wire is, or even recognise it; and more importantly what it was used for. ???
    
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    November 28, 2020 1:18pm
    - Dougal10
      
      The last coil of number 8 that I purchased doesn’t come anywhere the quality of the wire on the 80 year old fences around here.
      
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      November 28, 2020 2:08pm
  - MCos
    
    Tax was actually damned high for boomers to pay for the gold plated national superannuation collected by the previous generation.
    Houses may or may not have been cheap, but mortgages were not.
    Kiwi saver came along rather late in the piece for boomers.
    
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    November 28, 2020 2:24pm
- Sacha
  
  The cafe owner will have to get used to being in a cashless society – it’s very nearly here .
  I haven’t used cash for years – but I have a stash for ‘cashies’
  
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  November 28, 2020 12:22pm
  - Sacha
    
    won’t correct: cashies!
    
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    November 28, 2020 12:23pm
  - Bob
    
    Three years of this totalatarian govt., and ‘cashlessness’ will be the least of your worries.
    
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    November 28, 2020 1:19pm
mark15

Seems like a nice day out there.
A little breezy but bright.
I’m driving a friend’s car over to Taupo to return it and then we’re going to do a little pest control on his farm.
The MRS is going to unpack the wallpaper stripper and attack the two layers on the hall.
We did want the pool relining first because the rail’s rusted and pops your inflatables,but the chap who quoted us hasn’t come back with a start date yet.
That’s our weekend planned.
No coronavirus,no US election and definitely no statue-toppling.
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November 28, 2020 8:23am
Sigmund Freud

@ 8:26 am

https://ysb.co.nz/have-your-say-592/#comment-108716 Total of: 21 comments

Kiwiblog Total of: 0 comments
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November 28, 2020 8:27am
- Swifty
  
  I notice on YSB you refer to Kiwiblog as ‘Sewerblog’.
  
  Why is that?
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:52am
  - Batman
    
    Hahahaha what a delightful irony
    
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    November 28, 2020 10:36am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    A Freudian slip?
    
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    November 28, 2020 10:40am
I remember when

So a thirty year ‘gag’ on evidence given at the Christchurch mosque attack Royal Commission enquiry.
I thought thank goodness for Royal Commissions – otherwise we would never find out who was to blame.
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November 28, 2020 8:35am
- muppeth8r
  
  and you know why dont you?
  Ardern and nash change the way licencing was done, Tarrant was one of the first in nz to obtain a licence on the new system, all vettors had been told they were no longer needed and lost their jobs.
  within 10days of mosque attacks they got another letter to say jobs reinstated and the new system was gone.
  
  jacinda arderns decision was a HUGE factor in the attack and this 30year gag will give her and nash immunity.
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:18am
  - Sacha
    
    The info about the ‘order-in-council’ enabling a person to acquire a firearm without a face-to-face interview with the police was reported within days of the shooting, but swiftly disappeared from sight, never to be mentioned again.
    (I thought I had saved the article, but I can’t find it. Dammit.)
    
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    November 28, 2020 12:55pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Here is the Order-in -Council allowing for Electronic applications signed off by Jacinda Ardern 17 December 2018
      
      http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2018/0271/latest/whole.html
      
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      November 28, 2020 7:14pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Here’s a Stuff article detailing the “craziness” associated with Gun owners being able to acquire permits for assault rifles online.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111438784/changes-to-gun-law-overseen-by-jacinda-ardern-described-as-crazy
        
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        November 28, 2020 7:19pm
  - C J Southern
    
    It’s moot regardless; someone who spent 2 years planning the heinous act wouldn’t have been deterred over not being able to obtain a firearms license.
    
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    November 28, 2020 5:46pm
  - C J Southern
    
    The REAL reason it will have been embargoed is probably
    
    1. To prevent details providing a blueprint for other nutters to follow, and
    
    2. Prevent public salivation at ghoulish details by “experts in everything”.
    
    It was one of the darkest days in our history and I for one have not the slightest issue with the 30 year order; it’s the legal equivalent of a tarpaulin at a fatal car accident to stop rubber-neckers filming as they drive by and then posting on Facebook.
    
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    November 28, 2020 5:57pm
    - Robert
      
      It was one of the darkest days in our history.
      
      Well clearly you don’t know much about our history.
      It was minor compared to the loss of life during many events in our history.
      Just as planned and premeditated.
      About the same as the Wahine disaster.
      A few more than Aramoana.
      Not even on the same scale as many of the Maori scraps early on.
      Nowhere a many as the Flu epidemic and a few others along the way.
      Total emotional rubbish.
      Oh and I suppose you think he was right wing like the rest of the turkeys who never got to read his ramblings.
      
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      November 28, 2020 6:42pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It was a dark day… but yes, there have been many dark and darker days in our nation’s short history.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disasters_in_New_Zealand_by_death_toll
        
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        November 28, 2020 8:36pm
flash2846

Rigged election?
This guy is so credible it would be impossible not to take his claims seriously. Worth the watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLNgj5_Zpus
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November 28, 2020 8:36am
- SB2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Breitbart News ?
  
  LOL
  
  Even their master is moving on accepting the inevitable after his legal team debacles trying to prove to the contrary.
  
  No evidence of voter fraud including faancy conspiracy theories of manipualtion of voting machines.
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:08am
  - Don Beckett
    
    And SB2 got his ‘true’ information from CNN doncha know, so he must be right. //
    
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    November 28, 2020 10:39am
- BeeJay
  
  Oh FFS, a Breitbart stoolie! And still the conspiracy rolls on! Give it a rest!
  
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  November 28, 2020 10:32am
- JackRabbit
  
  He was on the “Pennsylvania State Legislature Holds Public Hearing on 2020 Election”.
  
  https://youtu.be/DSDZkXxFVEU
  
  Worth a full watch, including closing statements, from around 3:40, particularly Senator Doug Mastriano’s closing statements.
  
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  November 28, 2020 11:38am
  - dcrane
    
    Hit downtick by accident, sorry.
    
    There are a lot of signs from this and elsewhere that the mail in ballot system was abused in PA (and GA and WI), probably against the law, but it’s also looking like Trump is suffering from not having a skilled legal team.
    
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    November 28, 2020 3:58pm
  - C J Southern
    
    That “hearing” was the republican equivalent of a prisoner convention giving a conference on how they were all denied justice by the police.
    
    A far more accurate barometer of reality is what’s coming out in court decisions; there are two phrases that occur over and over again;
    
    – “Denied”
    
    – “No evidence”
    
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    November 28, 2020 5:43pm
- curry4me
  
  flash2846: Yeah, I saw the whole three hour plus thing. Fingers crossed for Trump.
  
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  November 28, 2020 1:06pm
muppeth8r

I used to be sympathetic to them and then they slowly erroded it with numerous demands and calls and now after this I have zero sympathy its just become a scam

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/300166592/payout-to-march-15-terror-attack-victims-the-right-thing-to-do

Many will already be sponges on our health and welfare system for the rest of their lives, how many got automatic residency etc, did all of the families go home after the trial or are many still here?

Maori now have competition for constant handouts, I know which group cindy will favour…
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November 28, 2020 8:38am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Also calling for protected status for Islam
  
  “They are us” – are they bollocks
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:29am
Maggie Pie

My partners mum came over last night to watch the T20 cricket on the big telly. We were all disturbed as each other when the Black Caps ‘took a knee’.
Although Ma was quick to remind us, it’s not exclusively a ‘black’ matter. It first happened back in the 9o’s with that white woman Figure Skater, Nancy Kerrigan.
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November 28, 2020 8:46am
- Frank the tank
  
  Yes what a load of shit that was. The irony of course is the violence in a lot of those Caribbean countries overshadows anything you would see in the US. It’s obviously OK if the violence is black on black. But I guess like a lot of this type of behaviour hypocrisy feeds hypocrisy.
  
  Twitter will be happy with the Black Slaps though.
  
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  November 28, 2020 12:39pm
Catgurl13

So the 17 year old killed this man and gets to stay home for it….. disgusting!!!.
He is only sorry he got caught!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/son-of-manurewa-man-killed-by-single-punch-addresses-teenager-sentenced-for-manslaughter/DIQZMF2U43BUF2CKW5DSIJH3WE/
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November 28, 2020 8:51am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Get used to it.
  
  We have a race-based two-tier justice system to look forward to, thanks to our new activist judge in charge.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/430430/chief-district-court-judge-announces-new-approach-to-how-district-courts-operate
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:33am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It fills me with horror that the District Court has been reduced to a tribal adjunct.
    It has been a Court of law not a social workers/SJW playfield. A return to utu?
    
    Where the operation of law when the PM can cancel Taranaki or cancel land titles by stopping Police from doing their duties?
    
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    November 28, 2020 11:18am
- oob
  
  That sentence is unacceptably light.
  
  NZ desperately requires legislated minimum sentences.
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:37am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    It’s moving to legislating reduced sentences according to ethnicity
    
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    November 28, 2020 9:51am
Suze Wainwright

One of ‘em took a knee alright
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November 28, 2020 8:51am
Ruahine

Was thinking of signing up for the Spark Sport package for summer for the cricket. But have now changed my mind.
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November 28, 2020 8:52am
- Jimmy White
  
  Spark – “watch black caps and all cricket exclusively on our pay for view”
  Me – Sign up
  Then:
  TV1 – Watch black caps all summer on TV1
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:09am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    TVNZ are showing just the first T20 of each series live.
    
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    November 28, 2020 10:19am
flash2846

When the Black Caps bent the knee it was goodbye from me. It was just pathetic.
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November 28, 2020 8:53am
- Catgurl13
  
  Yep once that happened the channel changed in our house. Not that we even watch cricket anyway, it was on the news at dinner time.
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:02am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Show us on the dolly where the Black Caps hurt you.
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:04am
- pdm
  
  And it was goodbye from me.
  
  Not that I was going to be watching when Hawkes Bay were playing a final.
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:07am
- Greenheart
  
  Really dislike it when sport takes on a political slant.No more Black Caps cricket for me. Just have to punish myself by watching golf instead
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:33am
  - MCos
    
    Sport in NZ has been mixed up with politics for as long as I remember.
    My earliest memory in that respect is the ABs going to South Africa without any Maori in 1960, because the government over there wouldn’t let people with a dark complexion mix with the whites, or whatever.
    Shameful display by the NZRU & the people of NZ who didn’t object (plenty did).
    
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    November 28, 2020 2:35pm
- G152
  
  Taking the knee is just not cricket especially not here
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:58am
- kowtow
  
  And at least one of them had his fist raised too……
  
  Woke as f@ck.
  
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  November 28, 2020 10:19am
  - Prince
    
    Guptill. Proceeded to miss a couple of run out chances and scored 5.
    
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    November 28, 2020 10:42am
  - Jack5
    
    Over many centuries and in many cultures, getting down on your knees symbolises, at a minimum, deference, but it also symbolises surrender, or even servitude. This is a contemptible, Woke gesture for a national sports team.
    
    I’m agnostic, but I’m with Christians – and even with Trump – on this: kneel only to God.
    
    With, too, revolutionaries such as Zapata: Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees.
    
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    November 28, 2020 1:10pm
- Nickc2
  
  Me too. Soft cocks the lot of them. If the West Indians want to express a political opinion, fine but not in my country.
  I have been supporting kid’s cricket over many years, but no longer. No more financial assistance from me.
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:06pm
I remember when

Recent articles in the Northern Outlook about the Rangiora quarry plans have drawn attention to the dangers of silicosis.
Arguments about re-siting of quarry include exposure to silica dust for local residents.
Respirable crystalline silica (RCS) is created when materials containing crystalline silica are cur or otherwise disturbed.
Exposure to silica dust (a major component of beach sand or granite) can cause silicosis, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and lung cancer.
Silica can be found in cement concrete, bricks, rocks, stone, sand and clay.
MOH suggest that people who have worked with engineered stone for more than 6 months in last 10 years, see their doctor for a review.
The MOH is in the process of investigating how common silicosis is in the population.
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November 28, 2020 9:01am
- Robert
  
  Never go to the beach then.
  
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  November 28, 2020 6:45pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Robotic dairy farm
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/countrylife/audio/2018774720/dairying-family-reaps-rewards-from-robots
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November 28, 2020 9:03am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Country Calendar get the plaudits, but the RNZ equivalent is also terrific.
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:04am
- Jimmy White
  
  Wont be long before we get robots to pick fruit and veg. Then the only thing we will be short of is couches
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:11am
  - MCos
    
    Some fruit & veg is already harvested by machines, doncha know.
    I caught a fragment of a dairy farmer talking on the radio about a machine in which they’d invested a million dollars that automatically milked their herd.
    Cashiers at supermarkets are being replaced by banks of machines; just the same as years ago typists disappeared into the ether and so on.
    
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    November 28, 2020 4:13pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Why it’s almost as if there was some plan to replace ever more expensive workers with machines that are cheaper, don’t need breaks, work 24/7, never take a sickie, don’t slow down after about 2pm (especially on Fridays)
      
      I’m sure the constantly increasing minimum wage won’t factor into their calculations in the slightest
      
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      November 28, 2020 10:13pm
- freethinker
  
  Coming to the horticultural and Wine industry soon so the cuzzies can stay on the couch watching shit eating KFC & Mackers. The casketeeers will have a prosperous future.
  
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  November 28, 2020 12:17pm
I remember when

The dangers of ‘bending a knee’ became more obvious as the Black Caps game progressed.
Only with caution if you have a dodgy kneecap.
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November 28, 2020 9:07am
SB2

The Presidential pardon has obscure origins thought to be the desire of the framers of the constitution to allow President certain residual kingly powers . Maybe as a sop to Loyalists.

But don’t be surprised if the outgoing President does the unthinkable and pardon’s himself.,

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/can-trump-pardon-himself-2020-11?r=US&IR=T

However, it won’t protect from all prosecutions he faces! we learn
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November 28, 2020 9:13am
- Fletch
  
  Pardons himself for what?? He hasn’t done anything. Hell, there’s more evidence of a Biden quid pro quo then there ever was with Trump.
  
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  November 28, 2020 11:12am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    So if he pardons himself you will be speaking out against it here? Sure you will…
    
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    November 28, 2020 11:35am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Are you going to chip in when Biden has to refund the transition money?
      
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      November 28, 2020 2:44pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I think it’s your messiah out begging for donations supposedly to fund his hopeless court challenges.
        
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        November 28, 2020 3:44pm
      - IC5000
        
        Did you throw your billionaire god a cheeky fiver for his legal challenges Kev?
        
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        November 28, 2020 5:22pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

‘America’s Cup whistle-blowers FEARED FOR THEIR LIVES’

wtf??
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November 28, 2020 9:15am
- JibberJabber
  
  The Salmon Mousse was off?
  
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  November 28, 2020 10:31am
Swifty

Like clockwork, here we have yet another piece from the very privileged Guled Mire telling us for the umpteenth time how racist we all are – and this time offering up racism as the sole reason worthy of mention as to why immigrant communities in Wellington don’t earn as much as some others.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/123535038/wellingtons-potential-will-stay-unlocked-if-it-doesnt-include-diverse-immigrant-voices

Just off the top of my head I could offer up half a dozen causes for any apparent disparities and all of them would carry more weight than Guled’s cries of racism.

As I was thinking about this post I clicked about and found this very recent piece from Karl Du Fresne where he puts things far better than I ever could. I encourage people to read it.

http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2020/11/why-guled-mire-irritates-me.html?m=1

Karl fairly and accurately points out the holes in Guled’s arguments, the irrationality of his views, the difference between anecdote and data (my words) and other relevant matters.

Guled’s thoughtful and considered reaction to Karl’s piece?

“I swear I be living rent free in this dude’s mind. Imagine writing and proudly sharing this stupid and racist af shit.”

https://twitter.com/GuledMire/status/1331312247545577472

I am now of the firm view that Guled Mire is a nasty little race-hustler who is/has fashioned himself a lucrative position spreading division, difference and distrust. If I spoke about immigrant communities as he freely speaks about European people (he always just says ‘white’) then I strongly suspect I would be publicly pilloried, out of my job and the subject of hate-speech investigations.

Guled though is ‘celebrated’.
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November 28, 2020 9:29am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Compare Guled’s diatribe with the maiden speech of the Eritrean Refugee MP
  
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  November 28, 2020 10:07am
- JackRabbit
  
  If he changes his name to Gul du Mire, he would fit right in on DS-9 as a Cardassian stirrer.
  
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  November 28, 2020 11:44am
Ruahine

Interesting piece from Point of Order. The end part of the article is carefully having a swipe at the continuing love of lockdown buy some governments and also some sections of the populace.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2020/11/28/covid-an-endgame-taking-shape/
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November 28, 2020 9:32am
- JackRabbit
  
  And we are led to believe that the Covid-19 vaccine is all tested, done and dusted, and 95% safe, (and because Jacinda has purchased 5,000,000 vaccines).
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-pfizer-says-its-vaccine-95-per-cent-effective-seeking-clearance-soon/ZZJVW4LMXCORBYXCWGUO6YRCQM/
  
  Yet, they still need volunteers for testing, indicating this is still in Alpha testing, let alone Beta testing, let alone pre-production runs, and let alone production runs. If it has been tested, why do they need volunteers? Unless Jacinda is making all of NZ compulsory volunteers!
  
  “…preliminary results showing their vaccines appear more than 90 per cent effective…”
  
  Appear is not good enough.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-volunteers-still-needed-to-test-variety-of-vaccines/YKEFVGCVUSX6KRK6DQEKD3E4YM/
  
  Even our own “The Immunisation Advisory Centre” stress the need to make informed decisions.
  
  https://www.immune.org.nz/immunisation/making-informed-decision
  
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  November 28, 2020 12:29pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    A vaccine untested even to production and extensive field trials and without a right to sue if it occasions harm is only fit for rabbits and lab animals.
    
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    November 28, 2020 2:50pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      We ARE the lab animals, Kev.
      
      I know of someone who was employed to dose “volunteers” with drug trials, including those in care, only to discover that the trials were the alpha testing, and that they were taught to gloss over the bits in the signing forms about side effects and informed consent. So few a few dollars remuneration, the ‘volunteers’ became guinea pigs.
      
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      November 28, 2020 4:08pm
Don Beckett

Apparently, despite all the drama around lockdowns, masks, “the infection & death rate in the USA due to Covid” blatherings, and our media saying how terrible it is how Trump has failed the people, the overall death rate in the USA is within the normal range for 2020.

Go figure….
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November 28, 2020 9:56am
- surfing
  
  Many people who die from covid were on their last legs anyway. This is why it may not reflect significantly in any stats.
  
  That is the argument , are you a callous cold hearted bastard if you consider grandma dying a few months earlier than otherwise would be the case an acceptable risk?
  
  Although, the after effects of covid need to be considered too — it can seriously damage a persons vascular system causing a multitude of long term ailments – even in those who had mild covid symptoms. Not sure the percentage of people affected by post covid complications though.
  
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  November 28, 2020 10:21am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Same with pneumonia and an assortment of diseases & different health issues – nothing new.
    
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    November 28, 2020 10:44am
  - artemisia
    
    Fortunately a civic minded citizen has winkled this information (more or less) out of the Ministry of Health. Thank you M P Ross. To summarise (more detail at the below link) –
    
    1.) Eleven people have died due to COVID-19 without another contributing factor.
    2.) Four people who died due to COVID-19 were on ventilation during their treatment.
    …
    5.) Fourteen people who died due to COVID-19 had underlying conditions, as listed in the table in
    point 6 below.
    
    https://fyi.org.nz/request/13913/response/53098/attach/html/3/Letter%20M%20P%20Ross.pdf.html
    
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    November 28, 2020 11:13am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Similar details also reported for the first 22 folk who died in NZ and are in the Covid-19 stats.
      
      Among 22 COVID-19 deaths, the mean age was 81·5 years (SD 10·0; range 62–99), 11 (50%) were male, 20 (91%) were of European or other ethnicity, two (9%) were Māori, and 16 (73%) lived in ARC facilities. 11 (50%) cases had at least one underlying condition.
      
      https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(20)30225-5/fulltext
      
      So if action had been taken to protect the 16 vulnerable folk in Aged Residential Care who succumbed when the virus first appeared in NZ, then
      the Country probably didn’t need to go into such a severe lockdown.
      
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      November 28, 2020 3:06pm
- SB2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Tell that to those whose loved ones have died of Covid 19.
  
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  November 28, 2020 10:42am
  - Don Beckett
    
    What’s so special about Covid 19 ? Is that the current “disease of favour” ?
    What about heart attacks, strokes, diabetes, morbid obesity – the list goes on – and even dying of old age?
    Why would you have sympathy for those whose rellies died of Covid, over and above all other death causing conditions?
    Oh, that’s right, it’s Cindy’s flavour of the month disease, and the opportunity to grandstand and control, and you – SB2 – are loving it.
    
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    November 28, 2020 2:59pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Now who was publishing stuff on this blog in January and February about ‘hysteria buttons”?
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/01/general_debate_26_january_2020.html#comment-2630603
    
    You weren’t concerned at all, were you?
    Just had lots of fun on this blog calling folks hysterical and panic merchants….
    
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    November 28, 2020 4:16pm
    - Swifty
      
      He’s full of it.
      
      And he’ll never admit when he’s wrong.
      
      Beneath contempt.
      
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      November 28, 2020 4:51pm
Maggie Pie

They’ve got a ‘UNISEX’ Toilet at the tennis club, which to be frank, I’d never use.
On the odd occasion though i do pop in to see what people have written behind the door.

Thort this was quite funny….

ESKIHOE – a girl that wears UGG Boots and a miniskirt at the same time.

LOL 😛
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November 28, 2020 10:10am
mikenmildagain

#DiaperDon now trending on Twitter:

https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/11/NINTCHDBPICT000622379242-1.jpg?strip=all&w=960
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November 28, 2020 10:33am
- Batman
  
  There’s some really good Photoshop content on that tag!
  
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  November 28, 2020 10:40am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Tiny desk – check
    Tiny hands – check
    Tiny mind – check
    Large diaper- check
    
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    November 28, 2020 10:42am
    - Robert
      
      And tiny minds take notice.
      
      You are still the same clown you always were MM.
      Haven’t changed in years.
      Life has moved on and up but you are still in Moera swamp.
      
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      November 28, 2020 6:53pm
- Fletch
  
  That was slightly amusing 3 years ago….. The left are no good at humor…
  
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  November 28, 2020 11:18am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Tell us some names of great conservative comedians…
    
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    November 28, 2020 11:34am
    - Miritu
      
      Dave Smith
      http://comicdavesmith.com/
      
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      November 28, 2020 12:22pm
    - chukar
      
      Billy T James
      
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      November 28, 2020 12:30pm
Maggie Pie

Well if China say it’s true, it must be then.

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1332425231676346373
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November 28, 2020 10:53am
Maggy Wassilieff

Our open and transparent Government
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/123534678/royal-commission-stamps-30year-suppression-on-evidence-given-by-cabinet-ministers-and-chief-executives-on-march-15-terror-attack
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November 28, 2020 10:56am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Valueless. What are they hiding that they cannot front up?
  
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  November 28, 2020 11:19am
  - Nickc2
    
    Govt/Police mismanagement of firearms registration and licensing in the public arena perhaps?
    
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    November 28, 2020 2:06pm
Fletch

Eric Clapton and Van Morrison collaborate on anti-lockdown song – get attacked by the usual suspects….

https://nationalfile.com/eric-clapton-collabs-with-van-morrison-on-anti-lockdown-song-gets-called-white-supremacist/
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November 28, 2020 11:23am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Something for those good with numbers. Reverse engineering the Dominion algorithm. Explanation is about 35 min in. I don’t pretend to understand much at all, but maybe someone does.
https://rumble.com/vbb807-edward-solomon-reverse-engineered-the-dominion-voting-algorithm-brilliant-5.html?
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November 28, 2020 11:23am
Fletch

Carter Page is filing a $75 million lawsuit against James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Lisa Page, and other deep state actors. About time justice was done.

https://twitter.com/RobTricchinelli/status/1332356305714098178
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November 28, 2020 11:26am
- Nickc2
  
  Good on him. I hope it’s $75m each. Devious bastards.
  
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  November 28, 2020 2:10pm
  - dcrane
    
    Several people had their lives turned upside down for that witch hunt. Maria Butina comes to mind.
    
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    November 28, 2020 4:02pm
Inandout

New World send out emails now with ‘Meri Kirihimete’ instead of Merry Christmas. I suppose this will get around those who object to the term Christmas.
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November 28, 2020 11:43am
- JackRabbit
  
  Maoris didn’t know about Christmas until the white man arrived.
  
  Mind you, they didn’t know about stone carving either until they learnt it off tribes such as the Waitaha Maori, the arrival of whom predated the Tahitian Maori by about 1200 years. The Waitaha nation history in NZ goes back 2000 years.
  
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  November 28, 2020 12:45pm
  - MCos
    
    The expression ‘Merry Christmas’ is only about 500 years old. Now it’s use has spread around the world to people who don’t have a clue what Christmas is all about.
    Half of NZers have no religion and only about a third are Christians, but we all run around buying & selling presents and muttering Merry Christmas in some form or other.
    
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    November 28, 2020 1:56pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And do you know something – I can honestly say I’ve never seen a Maori shopping at New World.
    
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    November 28, 2020 2:03pm
    - MCos
      
      You’ve got to go there first.
      
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      November 28, 2020 4:20pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Come on Batman! Where are you? I’m sure you are going to disagree with JackRabbit’s post. I don’t.
    
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    November 28, 2020 2:17pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It’s hardly worth arguing with Jack Rabbit about his Waitaha nonsense. Just add it to all the other bullshit he believes.
      
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      November 28, 2020 2:30pm
      - Nickc2
        
        I agree with JackRabbit hence if I agree, Batman will disagree on principle.
        
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        November 28, 2020 2:43pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Nickc2
      
      You should know by now that Batman and mikenmildagain do not debate facts.
      
      They just label everything they disagrees with as a “conspiracy theory” or “bullshit”.
      
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      November 28, 2020 2:48pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Tell us more about the Waitaha fantasy, and why this book is all wrong about such nonsensical ideas:
        https://www.amazon.com/Quest-Origins-Discovered-Settled-Pacific/dp/0824827503/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=the+quest+for+origins+howe&qid=1606531583&sr=8-3
        
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        November 28, 2020 3:46pm
      - RichardX
        
        JackRabbit, Tell us again about the facts showing Martians colonised the earth
        
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        November 28, 2020 4:06pm
- Fletch
  
  I heard on the radio news that a new govt dept has been set up to help and protect people working in hospitality. God knows how anyone will ever find it as they gave it a long sounding Maori name with no English reference.
  
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  November 28, 2020 1:48pm
  - david
    
    Hey, we’re on the guest list.
    
    Nah, that’s the menu.
    
    Welcome to Te Hangi
    
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    November 28, 2020 5:20pm
Fletch

The people who run the company that sells the voting software, Dominion, are all going into hiding.

Eric Coomer, Dominion’s head of product and strategy, has disappeared. Representatives from Dominion also did not attend a court hearing in Pennsylvania on November 19. Its US headquarters in Denver was also suddenly closed and moved away. Their employees deleted their names from LinkedIn.

But everything is on the level…. 🤔
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November 28, 2020 11:45am
- JackRabbit
  
  Eric Coomer: “Trump is not going to win – I made f***ing sure of that.”
  
  https://www.iceagenow.info/dominion-exec-trump-is-not-going-to-win-i-made-fing-sure-of-that/
  
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  November 28, 2020 12:53pm
  - C J Southern
    
    And yet when I fact check that I discover something quite different:
    
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/eric-coomer-dominion-trump/
    
    Anyone can create a fake Facebook page to try and incriminate someone. If someone was genuinely intent on changing an election result – and had the ability to do it – despite comprehensive auditing – it would be nonsensical for him to document that in a Facebook post for all the world to see.
    
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    November 28, 2020 5:21pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Snopes originally built a reputation with exposing scams and myths, but in recent years has become just part of the dis-information MSM.
      
      Snopes is well known among fact checkers that they do NOT always tell the truth. Like all social media, Snopes has been caught in spreading disinformation.
      
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      November 28, 2020 5:49pm
    - Mike
      
      The deluded rubes lap it right up.
      
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      November 28, 2020 6:15pm
- C J Southern
  
  If the President of the United States publicly accused you of being a pedophile responsible for abusing dozens of children and 75 million republicans believed him I bet you’d be hiding in fear of your life too.
  
  Dominion have posted an extensive rebuttal of Sidney Powell’s allegations:
  
  The company listed response states:
  
  – Dominion was not “founded by oligarchs and dictators.” It was founded in Toronto, Canada, and it is now a proud nonpartisan American company. Dominion has attested to its ownership—under penalty of perjury—to local, state, and federal agencies, including the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, which includes all U.S. national security agencies.
  
  – Dominion is not, and never has been, owned by Smartmatic. Neither has Smartmatic ever been a subsidiary of Dominion, as the complaint asserts. Dominion is an entirely separate company—they do not collaborate in any way and have no affiliate relationships or financial ties. Dominion does not use Smartmatic. These are all facts verifiable in the public record as well as in regulatory and legal filings.
  
  – Dominion has no ties to the Venezuelan government, nor any other foreign government, including China and Iran. Dominion has never participated in any elections in Venezuela and has no connection or relationship with the now deceased former Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez. Other companies have serviced elections in Venezuela, but Dominion is not one of them.
  
  – Dominion does not have operations in Germany including an “Office of the General Counsel.”
  
  – Dominion Voting Systems are in fact auditable—and are audited and tested regularly by multiple government agencies and independent third parties. All electronic devices used in the U.S. must be designed to be audited.
  
  – Dominion’s system does in fact include a paper ballot backup to verify results. In fact, thousands of elections officials in Georgia just completed the largest vote recount in American history using the paper ballots produced by Dominion devices.
  Dominion’s system cannot be manipulated by a technician in the way Powell alleges. This has been confirmed by the government agencies that have certified Dominion equipment.
  
  – Despite repeated counts and audits, there is no evidence of any kind that any voting system deleted, lost, or changed votes in Georgia, or in any of the other 28 states that use Dominion devices. Certifications and audits have instead shown the accuracy, transparency, and reliability of Dominion’s systems.
  
  – The federal government agency that oversees U.S. election security verified that there is no evidence that this election was in any way compromised. In fact, they have called it the most secure election in American history.
  
  – Servers that run Dominion software are located in local election offices, and data never leaves the control of local election officials.
  
  – There were no “glitches” with Dominion’s voting systems, and no unauthorized or last-minute software updates occurred.
  
  – There were no “data breaches” of Dominion software by anyone, let alone rogue foreign actors.
  
  – Human errors did occur in some counties but were resolved quickly by county officials before the canvass process.
  
  – Votes are not processed outside the United States. Votes are counted and reported by county and state election officials—not by Dominion, or any other election technology company.
  
  Election safeguards—from testing and certification of voting systems to canvassing and auditing—prevent malicious actors from tampering with results.
  
  You’d better hope the Sidney Powell has extensive paid-up public liability insurance because her reckless filings are probably going to get someone killed.
  
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  November 28, 2020 12:59pm
  - Inandout
    
    Good try CJ, but this disappearing from social media and in person is weird.
    
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    November 28, 2020 1:23pm
    - C J Southern
      
      They get (rightly or wrongly) accused of something that pisses off the majority of 75,000,000 Americans and you think doxxed employees aren’t going to be absolutely shitting their pants and fearing for their lives and you think “disappearing from social media and in person is weird”? Seriously?
      
      I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they’re currently being kept safe in another country – or at a minimum under 24/7 police protection.
      
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      November 28, 2020 3:27pm
  - Fletch
    
    Funny how, before the election, three senators wrote to the company complaining.
    
    In 2019 Senators Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), and Ron Wyden (D-OR), were so upset with the performance of the machines and software provided by Dominion Voting Systems that they penned a formal letter of complaint to the founders and co-CEOs of Dominion’s parent company, H.I.G. Capital, Inc demanding answers.
    
    And the media had many stories critical of the computerised voting.
    
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-black-box-voting-mach_b_8082384
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/11/02/computer-experts-sound-warnings-safety-americas-voting-machines/6087174002/
    https://www.ajc.com/news/state–regional-govt–politics/threats-georgia-elections-loom-despite-new-paper-ballot-voting/c5blwnfcwaGh8yTRQSn2uJ/
    
    Even back in 2010 there were concerns about the system.
    
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/exclusive-on-heels-of-die_b_620084
    
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    November 28, 2020 2:05pm
    - C J Southern
      
      And I’m sure that the republicans are more than capable of presenting all relevant evidence to a court – and I’m sure that Dominion will have every opportunity to respond – and I’m sure that the court(s) will listen to both sides and issue an impartial verdict.
      
      And I’m also sure that you have absolutely no doubt in your mind that they’ll find completely in Sidney Powell’s favour and you’ll get a heros parade that’ll make the one Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins got look like a Tuesday night gathering in a small pub.
      
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      November 28, 2020 3:31pm
  - dcrane
    
    Dominion should be removed from the election business. Votes should be recorded on paper ballots hand-marked and hand-counted in public with interested parties from all sides conducting the count. It’s an outrage we have left software – let alone internet connected software – come between voters and their votes, and into the counting process.
    
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    November 28, 2020 4:05pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Without even auditing or inspecting the voting machines or machine software, just from the data provided by the media, there are dozens of red flags to a trained software / system forensics expert.
  
  The first of the many red flags, is the use of floating point (decimal fractions) numbers, instead of integer numbers to record votes. There is no such thing as 1.0, 0.75 or 16.23 people. People are counted as 1,2,3,4 and so on.
  
  Number types are something you learn at primary school, high school, and up. And variable types (number types) are covered in programming at the very outset.
  
  You would only used floating point (fractions) if:
  (a) You are an idiot. OR
  (b) Not a real programmer. OR
  (c) An eight year old in a tree hut writing code for Daddy’s company AND Daddy got a D- in maths, so Daddy doesn’t know the code is CRAP.
  (d) You intended to utilise the factions to “Weight” or “massage” the numbers.
  
  The second red flag of many, is the lack of logging.
  You would only not use logging if:
  (a) You are an idiot. OR
  (b) Not a real programmer. OR
  (c) An eight year old in a tree hut writing code for Daddy’s company AND you do not know about logging.
  (d) You intended to hide what was happening.
  
  The third red flag of many, is a lack of error handling.
  Specifically (1) To throw up an error message and prevent a ballot being scanned if:
  (i) The ballot has been scanned before.
  (ii) The ballot is fake or does not correspond to a correct ballot ID.
  
  (a) You are an idiot. OR
  (b) Not a real programmer. OR
  (c) An eight year old in a tree hut writing code for Daddy’s company AND you do not know about error handling.
  (d) Your intention was to allow fake ballots or genuine ballots to be re-scanned
  
  The fourth red flag of many, is the systems are not allowed to be audited, a crime in itself.
  
  You would only not allow the systems to be audited if::
  (a) You are an idiot. OR
  (b) Not a real programmer. OR
  (c) An eight year old in a tree hut writing code for Daddy’s company AND you do not know about auditing.
  (d) Your intention was to prevent auditing of the election results.
  
  On the basis of these four red flags, alone, even without a detailed audit, the election should be declared a mis-election, with the police, with the equivalent of our SFO, and the FBI climbing all over it. The problem in the USA, as it is here, the average PC Plod doesn’t understand technology, and the KDC’s of the world can walk all over them.
  
  Did someone just invent a time machine and bring Blackadder and Baldrick to the present, to run the US elections?
  
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  November 28, 2020 1:34pm
  - C J Southern
    
    “there are dozens of red flags to a trained software / system forensics expert.”
    
    Such as yourself …
    
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    November 28, 2020 3:32pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      That is correct C J Southern, that is correct, and a number of colleagues both here and overseas that do this for a living.
      
      In fact you would have to drop out of high school at 12 to not know about the different number types.
      
      You would have failed at programing if you did not use logging, error handling. And given the system is for the election of president, it would have to be open to auditing.
      
      Clearly something you do not understand.
      
      https://www.dummies.com/programming/
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_Complete
      
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      November 28, 2020 4:19pm
- simpleton1
  
  Was there not something diabolical years ago about Dominion’s origins. 🙂
  
  Employees were unhappy then, when working with Diebold Election Systems at the time, so it became Premier Election Solutions then became Dominion Voting Systems.
  
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  November 28, 2020 1:47pm
  - Fletch
    
    This will tell you a lot about it.
    
    https://elamerican.com/dominion-the-foreign-software-company-with-a-controversial-background-deciding-american-elections/?lang=en
    
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    November 28, 2020 2:10pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      A very sordid history indeed.
      
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      November 28, 2020 5:08pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    ” Diebold Election Systems..”
    
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Diebold
    
    from that link:
    
    1. A company that is involved in the manufacture of banking equipment – such as ATMs.
    2. A company that makes voting machines that are highly vulnerable to hacking as well as voter fraud. A company that insists on making voting machines that don’t leave a paper trail.
    
    ‘Diebold should’ve stuck to making ATMs instead of trying to make Repulican voting machines for George Bush.’
    
    by jesster79 February 16, 2006
    
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    November 28, 2020 2:18pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Seriously, citing from the Urban Dictionary?
      Have you any idea how deranged your comments read?
      
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      November 28, 2020 2:33pm
      - RichardX
        
        Don’t forget he thinks Martians colonised earth
        
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        November 28, 2020 3:24pm
      - C J Southern
        
        I’ve literally run out of adjectives to describe this lot’s “thinking”; including deranged, idiotic, stupid, moronic, uncredible, childist, ignorant, one-sided, closed-minded.
        
        At this point I think the best we can hope for is that when the process completes normally and Biden is inaugerated on the 20th Jan they all just hang their heads in shame and fuck off. Unfortunately, mental illness doesn’t work that way and they’ll most likely just continue to shift the goal posts whilst continuing to post their garbage.
        
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        November 28, 2020 3:38pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        They won’t go away, or change at all. They will go on believing forever in stolen elections, the deep state, chemtrails, Martians, 9/11 as an inside job, etc, etc. The y might be quieter for a while, but they will have TRUMP 2024! to dream about.
        
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        November 28, 2020 3:50pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        “Seriously, citing from the Urban Dictionary?”
        
        Yep, you have to get noticed i.e. famous or infamous to get rated in the Urban Dictionary.
        
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        November 28, 2020 4:22pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @ C J Southern.
        
        >>>”I’ve literally run out of adjectives to describe this lot’s “thinking”; including deranged, idiotic, stupid, moronic, uncredible, childist, ignorant, one-sided, closed-minded.”
        
        You can’t debate the specifics of any subject so you resort to name calling. Something most people grow out of when they reach their teens. Which provides and estimate of your mental age at less than 13.
        
        You would last exactly sixty seconds in a high court with a decent judge, 5 minutes in a district court, or perhaps as long as 15 minutes with adjudicator.
        
        Professional judges and adjudicators neither rule on, or allow, waffle, name calling, or bullshit.
        
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        November 28, 2020 4:31pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @mikenmildagain 3.50pm.
        
        I’m highly insulted. You left out “flat earth”, “anti-vaxxer”, and many others.
        
        If you are going to attack me, you need to use the full range of made up labels. You are slipping.
        😉
        
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        November 28, 2020 4:36pm
      - C J Southern
        
        You forgot flat earth, moon landing denial, and “fake” ISS …
        
        Sadly, you’re almost certainly right.
        
        Given the damage that they’re doing to the blog’s reputation probably the best we can hope for is that they get their marching orders.
        
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        November 28, 2020 5:06pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @C J Southern…
        
        “fake” ISS. Never heard that one. Please share links so I can take it on as a conspiracy theory.
        
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        November 28, 2020 5:53pm
      - SGA
        
        Given the damage that they’re doing to the blog’s reputation
        
        I think it’s a bit sad for the more “balanced” people on the right, in general. Anyone coming to DPF’s blog would leave with a bizarre idea of what National supporters think like.
        
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        November 28, 2020 6:04pm
Tasman Terror

Did Sir Ron “take a knee”like his cricketing heroes did last evening?
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November 28, 2020 11:45am
- Inandout
  
  TT, the mind boggles and I am reminded of the ditty, ‘Knees Up Mother Brown’.
  
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  November 28, 2020 1:25pm
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/11/27/iran-confirms-top-nuclear-scientist-assassinated-in-tehran/

Nuke Scientist Bites The Dust.

Iranian state media reported on Friday morning that top nuclear scientist Mohsen Fakhrizadeh was assassinated near the capital city of Tehran by unidentified “terrorists” after a fierce battle with his security team. What’s not to like. Probably no
sales opportunities here for an insurance broker though.
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November 28, 2020 1:06pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Are they sure it wasn’t Covid Team 6 that got him?
  
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  November 28, 2020 2:47pm
  - curry4me
    
    Jibber Jabber: No, I think he died of lead poisoning. It’s much quicker than the CCP virus. And easier to diagnose. the main symptom is lying on the ground with holes in your body, and not saying much. Clouds of flies, and hovering vultures can be a dead give away too.
    
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    November 28, 2020 9:14pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kemaBWrQJTQ

PA GOP To Seat Pro-Trump Electors.

Another positive step, if it happens. I can do without the
OTT triumphalism though. PA will be sending pro Trump Electors.
Wisconsin, Nevada, and Gerogia could flip. Then, there’s SCOTUS. If one of these states flips, the others will too. It’ll be domino time, and I don’t mean pizza. Here’s hoping.
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November 28, 2020 1:07pm
- C J Southern
  
  Here’s what the court of appeals had to say about the Pennsylvania case:
  
  “The three-judge panel for the 3rd US Circuit Court of Appeals denied the campaign’s effort to refile its lawsuit, saying its allegations had already been rejected by multiple state judges in Pennsylvania and the latest attempt to revive them could not be spun into a winning theory.
  
  “Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” wrote Judge Stephanos Bibas, a Trump appointee, for the panel.”
  
  “The Campaign never alleges that any ballot was fraudulent or cast by an illegal voter,” wrote Bibas. “It never alleges that any defendant treated the Trump campaign or its votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or its votes. Calling something discrimination does not make it so. The Second Amended Complaint still suffers from these core defects, so granting leave to amend would have been futile.”
  
  The net is closing on Trump.
  
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  November 28, 2020 5:01pm
  - dcrane
    
    But is not closed yet:
    
    https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-state-judge-halts-certification-finds-likelihood-mail-in-balloting-procedures-violate-pa-constitution/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
    
    To me the focus on fraud and Dominion has been risky. Why not focus on the changes made to election rules against state laws, done out in the open?
    
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    November 28, 2020 6:07pm
  - Fletch
    
    One more step toward the Supreme Court, which is where they need to be.
    
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    November 28, 2020 7:23pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/kWhF7pqAAxg/

Trump Wrong About Section 230.

It just needs tweaking. Basically, it’s a good idea.
The playing field needs to be level.
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November 28, 2020 1:09pm
Jack5

Will commercial space flight be available any time soon for tourists? Might not be healthy holidays.

Research reveals interesting effects from space flight:

… six biological changes that occur in all astronauts during spaceflight: oxidative stress (an excessive accumulation of free radicals in the body’s cells), DNA damage, dysfunction of the mitochondria, changes in gene regulation, alterations in the length of telomeres (the ends of chromosomes, which shorten with age), and changes in the gut microbiome.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/11/25/1012628/spaceflight-astronauts-bodies-genetics-effects-scott-kelly-twins-study/?
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November 28, 2020 1:53pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Just how much sh*t is Sir Phillip Green’s ‘TOPSHOP’ in?

Asking for a close friend.
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November 28, 2020 2:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  About 3o Million Quid’s worth..
  
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  November 28, 2020 2:44pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s just got back from Parnell.
Said he was having a beer with the guy that killed Jack Tames pot plants. Reckoned he couldn’t give a flying f – – k.
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November 28, 2020 2:38pm
Ruahine

Asking for myself.
Is it some sort of state secret as to where the two elephants, presently at Auckland Zoo, are being sent.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/431640/animal-rights-group-says-zoo-s-repatriation-of-elephants-unforgivable
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November 28, 2020 3:10pm
- Robert
  
  Not decided yet. Have to find another zoo.
  
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  November 28, 2020 7:07pm
- Nickc2
  
  Trevor Mallard has ordered that they be sent to Parliament House so as they can stand in for Cindy and Grant when they are absent from the house. This kind of puts a new slant on the saying “the elephant in the house is” doesn’t it?
  
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  November 28, 2020 9:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Thing is, she is not wearing a mask.
https://babylonbee.com/news/time-names-karen-person-of-the-year?
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November 28, 2020 3:37pm
Maggie Pie

Thought this was worth sharing with the group….

When my partners mum was leaving to go home last night, rather than empty out the last bottle of Carlsberg she hadn’t quite finished, she put a tea-spoon handle in the top, then put it back in the fridge.
I can report I’ve just had a sip… and it’s still fizzy.

Amazing eh?
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November 28, 2020 4:03pm
- Swifty
  
  We did this as kids in the 70s, thought we were very clever clogs.
  
  Myth though it seems:
  
  https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sparkling-wine-teaspoon-myth/
  
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  November 28, 2020 4:33pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  That is OLD. I was shown that my 1st trip to NZ as an Apprentice in Port Line in 1965
  
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  November 28, 2020 5:16pm
- greybeard
  
  Very 1970s .
  
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  November 28, 2020 5:46pm
- Observer of Life
  
  Very old school.
  
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  November 28, 2020 7:01pm
- Fletch
  
  Used to be done with champagne or bubbles.
  
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  November 28, 2020 7:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

US Elections not corrupt?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=889dlrQnBOQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR20_9miGOU70ovxD9r_BJcPL5xas6G91mB5inkOR8oannPXjj962zmObyc
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November 28, 2020 5:49pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And Steve, this pretty much confirms what we’ve all suspected….FRAUD!!
  
  https://twitter.com/SenMastriano/status/1332398733401591808
  
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  November 28, 2020 6:49pm
  - dcrane
    
    I’ve seen that one widely challenged, could be really wrong as is so often the case with apparently outlandish evidence of fraud.
    
    They should be focusing on the arbitrary changes to the election systems made by state executives (Democrats) that were arguably against state laws and allowed large numbers of ballots that would not have been accepted otherwise. Ballot curing in Georgia looks like an obvious target.
    
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    November 28, 2020 8:08pm
Swifty

Those KBers with Netflix – I recommend the film ‘Mosul’, just out in the last 24-48 or so.

Gritty, realistic – local Mosul guys take the fight to ISIS.

Worth a look.
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November 28, 2020 6:58pm
Fletch

#BidenCheated trends at #1 on Twitter in the US…
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November 28, 2020 9:21pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Seriously, is no one looking at whether the New Zealand election was fixed? What software did they use? Mail in votes?
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November 28, 2020 9:24pm
- Fletch
  
  No. The old, reliable, show up in person and fill in paper ballot, put it in the box.
  
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