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Tony Stuart

Nice day for it, as long as “it” is having a lazy day at home 😀
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November 29, 2020 8:02am
iMP

So that idea if you wear an Indian headdress at a kids birthday party (or on American Halloween) it’s terrible cultural appropriation, or use a koru, or haka images in an ad…

So, are auction sales of old photos of Maori ancestors cultural appropriation?…of photography as a European invention or of the Maori ancestors?

And rugby…a cultural appropriation of English culture…? Oh Slippery Slope, let me grease thee.
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November 29, 2020 8:04am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Cultural appropriation is a tool of control that is used selectively against members of the “oppressor class.”
  This means that no member of an oppressed class can ever be guilty of cultural appropriation.
  
  // (sarc)
  
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  November 29, 2020 8:20am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It’s worse than that. Farming and beer both come from Iraq.
  
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  November 29, 2020 9:01am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Oh no! We’re between Iraq and a hard place….
    
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    November 29, 2020 9:35pm
- Fletch
  
  I think it’s only supposed to be bad if u sell Maori shrunken heads….lol
  
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  November 29, 2020 9:56am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  The Lone Ranger used to prance about in a white hat and a black mask – either progressive before his time, or serious mixed messaging…
  
  Nah mihi
  
  Suze Wainwright
  she / her / what’s your fancy?
  
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  November 29, 2020 10:00am
  - Crossing The Bar
    
    That was a suspicious combination wasn’t it, what with those endless lonely nights out on the range. The discernible pitched tents were always a dead give away, a sure indicator as to they’re camp.
    
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    November 29, 2020 12:17pm
    - Agricola
      
      When Johnny Depp played Tonto in the 2013 movie Lone Ranger it provided a wonderful piece of unintended symmetry… Tonto (Spanish) and Depp (German) both mean ‘stupid’.
      
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      November 29, 2020 6:43pm
Scott

A correction to CJ Southern’s last 27 posts –
The election is not proceeding normally. Judge in Pennsylvania has ruled that the election cannot be finalised due to massive possibility of voter fraud.
Systems not proceeding normally.
Message ends.

I would just add that powerline believes the Pennsylvania Supreme Court are massive liberals who will overturn the ruling.
It will then go to the Supreme Court where 3 screaming liberals and newly discovered girl’s blouse John (I don’t want to rock the boat) Roberts will face 5 actual judges who believe in the law and the constitution.
This is not over!
Message ends ?
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/11/in-the-keystone-state.php
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November 29, 2020 8:05am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I am sure you’re correct. The award however may be sufficient to turn the matter to the streets.
  
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  November 29, 2020 8:20am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Kev will cheer the insurrection from afar.
    
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    November 29, 2020 8:49am
    - kloyd0306
      
      The hugely disproportionate regularity of your comments does not mean they are read.
      
      Except in this rare case, I, for one, skip your comments.
      
      The same applies to Brian McDonald and Masterbatman.
      
      “Tis better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt” certainly applies to you three.
      
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      November 29, 2020 11:54am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        I have the right via my Cockney ancestry to play the fool as I wish.
        Sometimes truth emerges in disguise, sometimes I tease, other times I may scatter marbles to be slipped on.
        
        I will fight against injustice and untruth, the rejection of God and promotion of Islam, incompetent politicians and ideologues in executive government.
        At my age I’m semi bullet proof. My youngest turns 14 today and my oldest is 61.
        My credentials appear in my Bio “My First 80 Years”
        lambtonpublishing.com
        
        For KB
        EPub Promo code: 93KO (less $4)
        Print book 320pp col. Promo code: OB39 (less $11.50)
        
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        November 29, 2020 12:49pm
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Got something under your skin buddy?
        
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        November 29, 2020 1:35pm
      - SGA
        
        @KevO’Brien
        
        other times I may scatter marbles to be slipped on.
        
        Ahhh…. you’ve lost your marbles. 😉
        
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        November 29, 2020 4:47pm
  - NewInoffensiveName
    
    While there will certainly be demonstrations and riots, the matters and evidence before the courts are just the beginning. Trump declared via executive order that elections are critical infrastructure and thus protected by milt and military intelligence. They have EVERYTHING. All the stuff transmitted to Dominion, etc. Massive surveillance of polling stations. Scores and scores of agents undercover. Only tiny hints if this have yet been revealed. Trump will win. But I suspect that the biggest bombshells may wait until after the inauguration. Fear not!
    
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    November 29, 2020 9:18am
    - Crossing The Bar
      
      Trump is always thinking ahead.
      
      https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/
      
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      November 29, 2020 10:51am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    FBI HID THE LAPTOP
    PFIZER HID THE VACCINE
    DOMINION HID THE BALLOTS
    JOE HID IN THE BASEMENT
    MSM HID THE TRUTH
    
    This is America today….
    
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    November 29, 2020 9:26am
    - NewInoffensiveName
      
      And the 305 Military Intelligence Battalion is going to reveal it all. See redacted affidavit in Powell’s lawsuit. This is the first genuine exposure of the military surveillance used to monitor the election. The twits in the Democrats, the MSM, & big tech have no idea of the size and ferocity of the Kraken unleashed.
      
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      November 29, 2020 9:59am
      - Batman
        
        The formal response to that quackery is:
        
        Lololololololololololololololololol
        
        *Breathes*
        
        Lololololololololololololololololol
        
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        November 29, 2020 11:08am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Whackosville.
        
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        November 29, 2020 11:27am
      - muppeth8r
        
        batman and brian still cant provide any proof to support their tds views only what fake msm spew.
        
        when it gets to petty insults its because they know its over and theyre looking stupid.
        
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        November 29, 2020 1:21pm
      - C J Southern
        
        @Muppet.
        
        Here’s all the proof they (and you) need. Read it. All of it. Slowly. Let it sink in. Observe – from the US courts – just how far short of the mark Trump’s assertions are.
        
        https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca3/20-3371/20-3371-2020-11-27.html
        
        There’s only one lot looking stupid around here …
        
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        November 29, 2020 7:14pm
- Inandout
  
  Scott, there is a certain scenario should Biden take office. He has assembled his ‘dream team’ and next he has to placate the left like AOC and her ilk, because they will want action. What better ‘Emmanuel Goldstein’ proposal than to continue pursuing Trump through the courts. This should keep the wolves at bay for a time while the old Obama team carry on behind the scenes. What the left will feed on after Trump is anyone’s guess, but I can’t see the looters giving up their shopping easily. Such fun.
  
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  November 29, 2020 8:31am
- Jim
  
  That case is Republicans vs. Republicans and it’s going nowhere; this judge is just passing the buck. If you read the ruling:
  
  Petitioners allege that the Act of October 31, 2019, P.L. 552, No. 77 (Act 77), which added and amended various absentee and mail-in voting provisions in the Pennsylvania Election Code (Election Code),1 is unconstitutional and void ab initio because it purportedly contravenes the requirements of the Pennsylvania
  Constitution
  
  It’s about a change to voting provisions made over a year ago by the Republican-controlled state legislature. Law360 has a story on it pointing out that the Republican-controlled state legislature is also weighing in against the suit.
  
  When it fails it won’t be because of “liberals”.
  
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  November 29, 2020 8:42am
- SGA
  
  This is not over!
  
  Scott, I think it is fair to say that for the fanatical Trump supporters on this blog, this will never be over. No evidence (or lack of it) will ever be enough. Trump’s defeat will always be the result of a rigged election aided and abetted by a corrupt judiciary (btw, the Federal Appeals Court recently upheld Judge Brann’s decision – the three Justices were Republican appointed, one by Trump himself). Any rumour, any hint, any skerrick of evidence to the contrary will serve as a rallying point. We get that.
  
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  November 29, 2020 8:49am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The law cases are still in the Courts.
    Either the Electoral College has a clear undisputed 270 by the required time or the matter seems to be on it’s way back into the House for their determination.
    
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    November 29, 2020 1:25pm
- BeeJay
  
  Just another bullshit Republican conspiracy blog which attracts people like you, Scott, who are still clutching at straws in the desperate hope that loser Trump will win. Just take a break and wait for the election college to pronounce the results for Biden.
  
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  November 29, 2020 9:03am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    The interesting thing about the “loser” question, Trump never got over Hillary having a bigger majority than him, this time he’s lost twice more – the majority vote and the White House.
    
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    November 29, 2020 11:53am
  - covfefe
    
    Have you read it? One regular contributor is a bit of a never-trumper. Most of them don’t actually think there enough evidence of fraud. They are pretty mainstream republicans. May I suggest you are another NZer who knows little about the US and its politics?
    
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    November 29, 2020 12:38pm
- IC5000
  
  > Roberts will face 5 actual judges who believe in the law and the constitution.
  
  Sounds like bad news for Trump then. Has his team come up with any evidence yet?
  
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  November 29, 2020 9:08am
  - C J Southern
    
    Nope. None.
    
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    November 29, 2020 6:53pm
- bruceavon
  
  Almost all the judges that have looked at this have been Republican. The one that threw out the appeal the other day in Pennsylvania was appointed by Trump.
  I doubt that the Supreme Court will even see the case. Someone on Fox said it had no chance of success having failed so badly in the lower courts.
  
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  November 29, 2020 9:34am
  - Batman
    
    Due to the narrow structure of the appeal to the appellate court by the campaign, it it did get to SCOTUS, and it agreed to hear it, the most it could do is send it back down to Justice Brann.
    
    No prizes for guessing how it will end up.
    
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    November 29, 2020 11:10am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      With people ranting that the judge is part of a deep state conspiracy?
      
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      November 29, 2020 11:32am
- Robert
  
  Keep up. PA has been ruled invalid so the republican senate there chooses the voters for the senate.
  
  four more to go.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kemaBWrQJTQ
  BOMBSHELL! PA GOP To Seat Pro-Trump ELECTORS as Sidney Powell RELEASES THE KRAKEN!!!
  Steve Turley
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMQ9a2mlsRw
  
  and as of a few minutes ago;
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6SDQD1Yca4
  
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  November 29, 2020 11:39am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Put down the crack pipe…
    
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    November 29, 2020 11:53am
    - muppeth8r
      
      anythings better then whatever youre on…
      
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      November 29, 2020 1:24pm
  - C J Southern
    
    Lol. No. Just no.
    
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    November 29, 2020 11:31pm
- covfefe
  
  Powerline blog is so GREAT 🙂
  
  Recent link that makes interesting reading – https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/23/5-more-ways-joe-biden-magically-outperformed-election-norms/
  
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  November 29, 2020 12:34pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Not over Scott, rather over and out:
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/politics/pennsylvania-s-high-court-allows-state-to-complete-certification/ar-BB1brDt7?ocid=msedgdhp
  
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  November 29, 2020 2:51pm
- C J Southern
  
  Lol – the delusion knows no end. Have a read of DPF’s more recent post on the latest Pennsylvania outsome:
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/11/third_circuit_court_of_appeals_is_equally_scathing.html
  
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  November 29, 2020 6:50pm
I remember when

In order to ensure people were shielded from the possible job losses from covid the Labour Government offered bribe.
If you keep employing as many as you can we will give you a subsidy.
They accepted.
Now the Government wants the money back!
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November 29, 2020 8:05am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The wage subsidies will also fall into the “assessable income” category as they do not appear to have been exempted. That will claw back 28% directly or indirectly.
  
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  November 29, 2020 8:24am
  - Paulus
    
    I am assuming that the money received by way of wage subsidy is subject to tax and other deductions in the normal way.
    
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    November 29, 2020 8:28am
  - freethinker
    
    Kev only if the business made profits, many didn’t.
    
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    November 29, 2020 9:13am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Any subsidy will decrease a loss situation. However, assuming business continuity, that loss can be set off against future taxable income. The loss to be set off will be diminished by the amount of the subsidy.
      
      Who knows what this gobblement will do next tax season.
      
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      November 29, 2020 1:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Are you questioning the acumen of our Minister of Finance?
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2020/11/finance-minister-grant-robertson-was-warned-removing-wage-subsidy-cap-risked-waste-fraud.amp.html
  
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  November 29, 2020 8:25am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Robertson had almost no options available. He used the speediest way possible to get the money out. The requirements may appear loose but they are auditable with potentially stiff penalties.
    My clients used both tranches of the wage subsidy and that allowed continuity in a fluctuating contracting business.
    The changes to allow losses to be offset against the prior years tax was a blessing too. At the time it was only tax flow which kept business going.
    
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    November 29, 2020 1:15pm
- Bigted
  
  Any profit should not factor into whether the subsidy should be paid back. It was used to pay wages for staff, from an event (lockdown) that was instigated by a Government that could have prevented Covid coming into the country, or at least the community. Why should any business be made to lose money for the Government’s incompetence?
  
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  November 29, 2020 9:01am
  - Nickc2
    
    Don’t forget, it’s our (taxpayer) money this incompetent Government is throwing around like confetti at a hooker’s wedding.
    
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    November 29, 2020 1:28pm
- CaptainCompromise
  
  This pisses me off so much. Govt offers subsidy that goes directly to employees to keep them supported, then company x makes a profit and therefore they’re greedy bastards and should pay it back. The company didn’t touch the subsidy it went to their employees. It’s envy politics and I hate it.
  
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  November 29, 2020 9:07am
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    So right!
    
    Furthermore, the wage subsidy worked out to be about $12.00 per hour. Companies that paid employees who could not go to work because of lock-down topped up those wages at their own expense.
    
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    November 29, 2020 11:36am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Yes, the subsidy was into the bank one day and out against almost the next. People had to be paid and the govt had shut down the source of revenue. It wasn’t a gift but compensation.
    
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    November 29, 2020 1:18pm
- Over40SingleMan
  
  I’m sure it’s a common occurrence that businesses had abysmal April turnovers that are well within the prescribed 30% loss of business over a 30 day period. However, after suffering a downturn in trade in April, I’m sure many businesses (ourselves included) had a stellar May and have been going gangbusters ever since.
  I note MBIE have armed themselves with GST return figures and are contacting businesses that have not demonstrated comparable losses. It must grate our masters that many businesses are bettering last year’s trade and still qualify for hastily cobbled together welfare.
  
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  November 29, 2020 1:45pm
  - artemisia
    
    Our very small tradie business qualified for both tranches of the wage subsidy – couldn’t work plus also school age and pre-school children at home.
    
    Since then super busy. What people might not realise that super busy means working longer and harder, running not walking. And extra costs like portaloos.
    
    It’s that thing about the harder I work the luckier I get.
    
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    November 29, 2020 4:17pm
  - Ehlana
    
    The government took the action it deemed appropriate at the time. Businesses were shut down completely or significantly. No trade = no revenue = no money to pay staff. It’s all about the cash flow, especially for small businesses.
    The wage subsidy helped businesses keep their staff on at least 80% pay, putting money into the hands of employees who would then have largely spent it, during or after lockdown, to the benefit of the economy.
    Businesses who survive keep providing goods and services, paying wages to their own staff and keeping their own suppliers going.
    All those employed people pay their own cost of living, pay for their own healthcare, education, etc. indirectly through their taxes and fund the benefits non-workers depend on.
    The Covid wage subsidy is exempt income for the employer and the part of wages funded by it are not deductible. It was also non-taxable for GST. That aside, profit-making businesses will continue to pay the tax which funds the costs of Government, just as they did before Covid.
    If New Zealand businesses are now thriving in a basically Covid-free environment, then the government should be delighted – both the lockdown and the wage subsidy have achieved what they presumably wanted.
    
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    November 29, 2020 5:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Some cheap Aussie wine in our stores soon?
https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/china-hits-australian-wine-with-tariffs-of-up-to-200-per-cent-20201127-p56ikr.html
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November 29, 2020 8:16am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Yay!
  I will have a wider range of sub-$10 Shiraz to choose from!
  
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  November 29, 2020 8:26am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    HAT TIP
    
    If you’re prepared to go that extra mile Sensei – the GB ‘Barossa Ink’ @ $14.95 is an absolute bargain from NW.
    
    It’s up there with the $50+ stuff 😛
    
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    November 29, 2020 10:27am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Noted.
      I will look for it at New World Eastridge. I have Googled the label design, so I will know what to look for.
      Thank you!
      
      I will find out if 50% greater outlay leads to 50% greater drinking pleasure.
      
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      November 29, 2020 1:40pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Can second that – we get the ink in Canada… cots $15-16 Canadian and is worth well more than that (hopefully they don’t cotton on too soon).
      
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      November 29, 2020 3:35pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Odakyu-sen ,maybe we’ll see some of those enormous 5 liter casks that sell for way less than the 3 liter ones here sell for, yipeeeee.
    
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    November 29, 2020 1:35pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  You could end up with a really good deal on wines. Kiwi wines may have to lower their prices to compete, especially if China decides to put a tariff on NZ wines.
  
  Not saying that would be a good thing, but could happen.
  
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  November 29, 2020 11:38am
- Nickc2
  
  Great, the price of Wolf Blass Tawny Port (Red Label) will no doubt be less than normal.
  
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  November 29, 2020 1:35pm
Chuck Bird

Does anyone here beleive Robin Bain murdered his family?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bain-family-murders-pendulum-of-guilt-swings-in-tv-show-black-hands/X5RYV6KUCUE6XLGMGNJR6BRPOE/
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November 29, 2020 8:19am
- amospicton
  
  I do not.
  
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  November 29, 2020 8:24am
- Bigted
  
  Nope, the evidence strongly supports David killing them all. Karem’s smoke and mirrors trickery worked on those too lazy to look at both sides of the story.
  
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  November 29, 2020 9:03am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I know my partners mum does.
  You should hear all the jokes she tells.
  LOL!
  
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  November 29, 2020 9:23am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    CORRECTION: Ma just txt to say she fingered David right from the start – NOT Robin.
    
    Not sure how i got that wrong sozz.
    
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    November 29, 2020 10:32am
  - IC5000
    
    She sounds like a nasty piece of work. What kind of person makes jokes about mass murder?
    
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    November 29, 2020 2:17pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      You’re certainly right about Ma, IC 😀
      But hey, you need to be careful over there.
      Did you realise David is now working in Sydney as a Butcher’s apprentice?
      Specializing in home kill.
      
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      November 29, 2020 3:55pm
      - curry4me
        
        Maggie Pie: That’s a good one.
        
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        November 29, 2020 6:26pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      When Karam managed to buy David out of jail, he offered to take him out for a slap-up meal, no expense spared, anywhere David wanted to go.
      
      Surprisingly, David wanted to go to KFC. He said “I could murder a Family Pack!”
      
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      November 29, 2020 9:42pm
- plc
  
  No
  
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  November 29, 2020 9:48am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I wonder if those downticking think Robin Bain was the murderer.
  
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  November 29, 2020 10:19am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    The only vote that mattered took place in 2009, was unanimous and in record time Chuck. The doco is generally fair (I am told) but it is far from a Jury Trial so don’t let it add to your hopeful confusion.
    
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    November 29, 2020 11:25am
- Catgurl13
  
  After watching that current weekly series about it “Black Hands” it really makes me think David was fed up and angry at his disfunctional family. That he thought he was the most deserving out of them all,and that he was a mixture of jealous and angry he had a nothing life. He seemed jeolous of his siblings and burdened by his Mother big time. All reasons to kill your family. David definitely is the killer for sure.
  
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  November 29, 2020 11:27am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Fortunately, Courts don’t function on subjective witchcraft as a general rule, they deal in objectivity, evidence, and reason.
    You are aware that you have been watching a documentary and not a trial?
    
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    November 29, 2020 11:58am
    - Catgurl13
      
      I have read a few books about this actually and the documentary is very accurate. David was clearly a geeky misfit failure at 22 who was annoyed and jealous of his siblings. His disconnect with reality showed when he thought he was going to be an opera singer. The Jury got it wrong and David was very lucky the investigation wasn’t as sophisticated as it is now. They are reasons he got off in the end.
      
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      November 29, 2020 1:20pm
      - Brian McDonald
        
        The documentary is not about the facts of the murders/suicide, a deliberate decision by the producers. Everything you’ve said is speculation.
        
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        November 29, 2020 6:18pm
      - C J Southern
        
        Books and documentaries are designed to produce a profit for their creators; nothing more, nothing less.
        
        They offer neither truth nor wisdom.
        
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        November 29, 2020 11:35pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Ha! Tell that to Christchurch Creche!
      
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      November 29, 2020 4:21pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      A documentary, you say? Wrong again, Brian. It’s a work of fiction – it would be pretty hard to have a documentary about the events leading up to 5 people being murdered, after they were all murdered.
      
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      November 29, 2020 9:44pm
  - Unity
    
    I don’t know what to believe but I find it hard to believe that David could commit such a heinous crime against his family and then go on to lead a normal life with a family of his own without showing some signs of abnormality. He is also surrounded by friends/people who know him and they trust him implicitly.
    
    We don’t know him but I have actually met him face to face when he was at a market in the company of another man with two young children. Would that man have been in David’s company let alone having his two children in tow if he even vaguely thought David had done it. I’m usually a good judge of character and my overriding thought when I met him face to face, was that it most definitely wasn’t him. His mother appeared to be rather a nut case with weird ideas though but David seemed to be quite a help to her. I also thought he seemed to be concerned about his sisters but didn’t seem to have any time for his young brother.
    
    However Black Hands is a documentary, not a trial, and a slant could have been put on it.
    
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    November 29, 2020 1:23pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Unity, I have read Binnie’s report, Callinans report and the trial transcripts. I know a woman now in her mid-forties who knew Arawa and David.
      
      There is no way Robin was the murderer.
      
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      November 29, 2020 5:30pm
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Give it up Chuck you’re not the only one who has read the Binnie reports etc and meeting someone that knew Arawa and David doesn’t compare with the co-authored Di Maio paper which using crime scene facts determined a probability of over 90% that Robin’s death was suicide. The upward trajectory wound and soot around the wound indicating a close contact shot is insurmountable.
        
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        November 29, 2020 6:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another fatal shooting
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300170230/man-shot-in-wellsford-homicide-investigation-under-way
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November 29, 2020 8:30am
- G152
  
  Wow. Thank goodness liebor made the naughty people give up their rifles otherwise there would be shootings..
  /sarc off
  
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  November 29, 2020 10:13am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Labour has proved to be ineffective in getting illegal firearms out of the hands of young men.
    
    Father of five Michael Huata would not have been murdered if young men in this region did not have such ready access to unlawful firearms, Crown solicitor Steve Manning said yesterday.
    http://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/local-news/20201128/murder-at-mohaka/
    
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    November 29, 2020 11:54am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Just like Governments before it and those that will follow Maggie.
      
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      November 29, 2020 11:59am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Indeed Brian, but I don’t recall previous Governments throwing $139 Million into a virtue-signalling buy-back pit.
        https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2005/S00061/139m-gun-buyback-a-disaster-from-start-to-finish.htm
        
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        November 29, 2020 12:06pm
    - Ehlana
      
      As I recall, the gangs said they wouldn’t be handing in their guns because they need them for self-defence. Given the ethnic make-up of many of them, the law is probably racist and no doubt in contravention of the Treaty. Possibly also something about how the oppressed cannot be guilty of the same crimes as the oppressors will apply.
      I think I might be starting to get cynical…
      
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      November 29, 2020 5:18pm
artemisia

We had a ‘conversation’ about a constitution. There was a huge wave of dissent and the issue died a quiet and quick death. That wave of dissent was triggered by certain aspects in the proposal.

There are few, or in practice no, opportunities these days for we the people to have such a frank public conversation about the direction our country is heading.

But have no doubt the conversation continues under the surface, resentment will increase and more people will vote with their feet. Not necessarily by leaving the country, but also by taking steps for their households however they can. Financial, education, self employment, relocation ….
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November 29, 2020 8:36am
- Crossing The Bar
  
  That ship has long sailed. You cannot form a nation in the 19th century and then construct a single governing constitution document nearly 200 years later. Our society is now far too fundamentally incoherent and fragmented for there ever to be a broad consensus as to the nature of the principles to be enshrined in it. Look at the States, where for just shy of 200 years everyone was committed to a similar destination, but the disagreements revolved around the best means to get there. Nowadays, and beginning in the mid 60s, there is no broad agreement on the destination. We can identify the principle reason for the fragmentation, and the same reason applies here.
  
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  November 29, 2020 11:58am
Maggy Wassilieff

Bryce Edwards on the Good old days when Labour knew what it stood for

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/28/new-zealand-once-led-the-world-on-social-housing-it-should-again
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November 29, 2020 8:40am
Maggie Pie

Tired of WINNING yet?

That’s 2 we’ve given the group this month!!

1. The Melborne Cup Trifecta.

2. The AB’s last night by 12 & over @5-1

As my partner’s mum always says when we’re out to dinner…
“I wonder what the poor people are eating?”

LOL!!
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November 29, 2020 8:53am
- MCos
  
  Here’s a number you can pass on she can ring
  04 385 9299
  It’s the Compassion Soup Kitchen in Tory St, Wellington.
  The serve food to people who have fallen on hard times at no charge.
  
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  November 29, 2020 9:36am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Ma’s a realist. She knows the world’s full of losers.
    
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    November 29, 2020 10:55am
    - IC5000
      
      We know that one loser is eating over cooked steak with tomato ketchup as a consolation prize lol
      
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      November 29, 2020 2:20pm
  - muppeth8r
    
    You and milky must dine there all the time?
    
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    November 29, 2020 1:29pm
CaptainCompromise

I’m after a recommendation of NZ history books that accurately represent our history, the good and bad. I’m asking here because I’ll get less politically influenced recommendations. Want to learn about our history before it is rewritten.
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November 29, 2020 9:01am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The best general histories are Michael King’s and James Belich’s. There are many more excellent books on particular aspects of NZ history.
  
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  November 29, 2020 10:48am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Michael King’s book should be filed under Historical Fiction.
    
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    November 29, 2020 11:12am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Why?
      
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      November 29, 2020 11:33am
  - Observer of Life
    
    I hear Bellich’s is inaccurate.
    
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    November 29, 2020 4:53pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  For the pre-European history of Polynesian arrival on NZ Shores and life in NZ from 1300-1800 AD, I’d recommend the first 4 chapters of “Tangata Whenua”.
  
  https://www.bwb.co.nz/books/tangata-whenua-illustrated-history
  
  (Actually, I’d recommend the whole book as a starter, but there’s more detailed/nuanced regional histories giving other perspectives on NZ)
  
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  November 29, 2020 10:53am
  - SB2
    
    MW, the reviews suggest your spot on,
    
    Winner of the illustrated non-fiction category award in the 2016 Ockham New Zealand Book Awards.
    
    Winner of the 2015 Royal Society of New Zealand Science Book Prize
    
    Selected by the New Zealand Listener as one of the best books of 2014 – ‘Years in the making and containing 500 images, this is a majestic charting of Māori history from beginnings to present day.’
    
    With co-authoring by the late Judith Binney you can’t go wrong.
    
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    November 29, 2020 11:29am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      the reviews suggest your spot on,
      
      So you need to look at the reviews to check whether my opinion is “spot on”, stephieboy.
      
      Can’t you just read the book and make up your own mind?
      
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      November 29, 2020 1:01pm
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    Hi Maggy, I acknowledge that the author of these chapters, Atholl Anderson, is a fine scholar, and I have really enjoyed reading some of his books, but I disagree with his view that Polynesians couldn’t sail against the wind, and thus settled NZ once and once only, and didn’t make return voyages to tropical Polynesia.
    
    To me that is contradicted by lots of evidence, like the presence of Mayor Island obsidian on the Kermadecs, Maori-style adzes on Norfolk Island, and a similar adze that was found in northern NSW. It also disregards the presence of strands of kiore DNA traced to Aotearoa but found in rat bones in the tropics.
    
    And Anderson’s claim that Polynesians couldn’t have reached South America looks increasingly shaky, given the finding of Polynesian skulls and chicken bones on Mocha Island, just off Chile, and the evidence that the Chumash people of California took canoe-building methods and words from Polynesian visitors.
    
    Many scholars disagree with Anderson’s view, and I think Andrew Crowe’s The Pathway of Birds, which was published a couple of years ago, is much better than Anderson’s effort. But the issue isn’t settled yet; we need more digs in more places. It is one of the many fascinating mysteries of Pacific history.
    
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    November 29, 2020 1:00pm
    - Jack5
      
      Good to see you back, Scott, without campaigning for changing place or pub names of disreputable Whites of colonial times …
      
      Some claims about Polynesian hens being found in South America are disputed:
      
      https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/03/18/291182073/study-the-chicken-didnt-cross-the-pacific-to-south-america
      
      Similarly, the question of whether Polynesian craft were effective at long-voyage sailing against prevailing winds may never be conclusively settled.
      
      Because a canoe could sail six points either side of the wind, is that conclusive proof of long, two-way voyages without the help of compasses, maps, sextants, GPS?
      
      http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/document/Volume_71_1962/Memoir_No.34._Polynesian_Navigation,_edited_by_Jack_Golson/Primitive_navigation_in_the_Pacific._Part_I,_by_G._H._Heyen,_p_64-80/p1
      
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      November 29, 2020 4:18pm
      - Scott Hamilton
        
        I agree Jack that we don’t have definitive evidence either way yet – but I think the odds are on NZ not being a cul de sac, and on South America being reached. And certainly we have definitive proof of Maori getting from Aotearoa to the Kermadecs, and strong evidence for them getting to Norfolk and NSW too. It’s a fascinating subject and one I am still learning about.
        
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        November 29, 2020 9:12pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Fair enough..
      It is less daunting than Tangata whenua….
      
      but I like the way Tangata Whenua moves the arrival story into the settlement phases..
      
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      November 29, 2020 4:47pm
      - Scott Hamilton
        
        I love Anderson’s first book, which sees him retrace the weird journey of Te Puoho, who led a tiny force of men from the top of the South Island deep into Kai Tahu country at the end of the 1830s, when the Musket Wars were already petering out, in the hope of ‘skinning the whole eel’ and becoming master of a vast territory. Te Puoho and his team crossed immense distances, but were finally so exhausted they fell asleep in a Southland pig pen, where a much larger Kai Tahu force found them. It’s a heck of a story about quixotic ambition. But Anderson’s also done some great if highly technical archaeological work. He’s the guy who documented the Maori presence on the Auckland Islands, for eg. So I don’t mean to trash him.
        
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        November 29, 2020 4:57pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @Scott Hamilton..
      
      I’m not sure if you are aware of the history of abuse I have had to put up with on this blog… but some folks didn’t much like it when I put up inconvenient facts about Maori/Polynesian presence on the Kermadecs.
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/09/general_debate_19_september_2016.html#comment-1784726
      
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      November 29, 2020 6:03pm
      - Mike
        
        What was abusive about that comment?
        
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        November 29, 2020 6:20pm
      - Scott Hamilton
        
        That’s a pity Maggy. Maori contact with the Kermadecs is just incontrovertible. But politics stops people seeing clearly when history is discussed.
        
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        November 29, 2020 6:33pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Mike
        
        I observe patterns…
        I observe who always act as suckerfish
        I observe who act to deflect issues instead of seeking evidence or debate
        
        and I learnt that Trolls always look for a payback.,so I proceed with caution as to what I write here.
        
        Now why did you think my later comment that day attracted downticks?
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/09/general_debate_19_september_2016.html#comment-1784791
        
        I was merely pointing out other distant islands Maori/Polynesians had settled…
        
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        November 29, 2020 8:17pm
- Robert
  
  Pakeha slaves, Maori Masters.
  Trevor Bentley
  
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  November 29, 2020 12:01pm
- Caleb
  
  Letters from the Bay of Islands
  Marianne Williams
  ‘An extraordinary first hand account of the first missionaries to New Zealand from the wife of Henry Williams’.
  
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  November 29, 2020 12:02pm
- Scott Hamilton
  
  There are often complaints by conservative Pakeha that the history of NZ has been rewritten in recent decades by overly liberal scholars. But these conservatives seldom explain which pre-liberal books contain the ‘real’ history of NZ. I’d be genuinely interested to get a reading list from them.
  
  The truth is that we’ve long had historians who have argued that settler treatment of Maori was often unjust, and who have taken a cynical view of nationalist rhetoric. Here are a few books that were written long before the supposed takeover of our universities and classrooms by liberals.
  
  John Gorst, The Maori King (1865)
  
  An account of the Waikato War by a government agent who came to admire the Waikato Kingdom and to oppose Governor Grey and Alfred Domett’s invasion of the Waikato. Gorst, who was able to travel through the Waikato for years before the war as a sort of ambassador for the settler government in Auckland, gives some fascinating accounts of the way Maori were building their own economy using technology and crops brought by missionaries. He also describes the refugee exodus from Auckland after Grey told Maori there to swear allegiance to the queen or face punishment. The Maori King is now online, at the NZ Electronic Text Centre.
  
  Aureretanga: groans of the Maoris, GW Rusden (1888)
  
  A long and meticulous account of the Taranaki Wars and the post-war land confiscations and attacks on communities like Parihaka. The book outraged colonial politicians.
  
  The NZ Wars, James Cowan, 1918
  
  A national epic, now online, based on extraordinarily detailed research, including interviews with many veterans of the wars. Cowan shows the injustice of the Waikato War but takes an unsympathetic view of Te Kooti and the Hauhau movement.
  
  Sir Keith Sinclair, The Origins of the Maori Wars (1957)
  
  Sinclair used archival work to show the cynical motivations behind the invasion of the Waikato and the war in Taranaki. His book takes us into the seedy world of 1860s Auckland land speculators. In 1959 Sinclair would publish what many consider the best general history of New Zealand.
  
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  November 29, 2020 12:49pm
- Unity
  
  Yes, CaptainCompromise, if only more would read about our true history especially our politicians who obviously have no idea what it truly is. There are quite a number of excellent books out which have been thoroughly researched but here’s some.
  
  One Treaty One Nation by 8 authors
  Dividing a Nation – The return to Tikanga by John Robinson
  Blood & Tears – a Memorial to those killed by tribal and related violence by Adam Plover
  The Travesty of Waitangi by Stuart C Scott
  Travesty after Travesty by Stuart C Scott
  Once we were One – The Fraud of Modern Separatism by Andy Oakley
  The One New Zealand Foundation also has a lot of information on its website which has been extensively researched.
  
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  November 29, 2020 1:32pm
  - Mike
    
    Those are all in the category of fringe theories, not backed by actual scholarship.
    
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    November 29, 2020 2:54pm
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    The One NZ Foundation is rather lacking in credibility Unity, since its co-founder and most prominent spokesman was convicted of arson and rape in 2013. Alan Titford burned his house down and blamed it on Maori. Far from being extensively researched, the stuff on the ONZ Foundation site comes from people with no training and no credibility – for example, they’ve published Kerry Bolton, NZ’s best-known neo-Nazi, on how white people are the true tangata whenua of NZ.
    
    The other texts you cite don’t have much more credibility. And they’re all recent. I was asking conservatives who talk about a liberal takeover of NZ history in recent decades to explain which older texts they think tell the true story.
    
    One book that could be used by those with a conservative view of race relations is William Pember Reeve’s Land of the Long White Cloud. Unlike the likes of Bolton and Titford, Reeves was rational and thoughtful. I think he was wrong, but I’d much rather that conservatives read him rather than turned to the kooky One NZ Foundation.
    
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    November 29, 2020 4:51pm
- Nickc2
  
  The best research would be to ask your grandkid’s school teachers, they know everything about everything when it comes to NZ’s history. They’re brainwashing our kids with their version of it.
  
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  November 29, 2020 1:46pm
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    What’s your version of history, Nickc2? Which books from before the s’posed takeover of NZ history by PC liberals in the ’70s and ’80s should I be reading?
    
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    November 29, 2020 6:34pm
- MCos
  
  Recently I read Marilyn Waring’s autobiography of her time in parliament. I also have Barry Guftafson’s biography of Rob Muldoon.
  Both of them describe in different detail a pivotal meeting they had, which changed the course of NZ’s history. One of them, only, was in the room at the time, but whoever described the meeting to the other would have been had there own agenda.
  All history is like that to some degree.
  
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  November 29, 2020 1:58pm
- Observer of Life
  
  CapCom: Go to Tross Publishing’s website for some interesting books as well.
  
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  November 29, 2020 4:59pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I suggest you try books by Miles Fairburn. Rather heavy reading but they are not revisionist shiite.
  
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  November 29, 2020 7:46pm
  - Scott Hamilton
    
    Fairburn is an amazing historian, in my opinion the most important living Pakeha NZ historian, but he’s a revisionist for sure. His landmark book The Ideal Society and Its Enemies tried to overturn the idea that 19th C Pakeha society was stable and communitarian. Fairburn argued instead that early Pakeha society was extremely chaotic and individualistic, and that people were highly mobile, rather than rooted in communities.
    Fairburn was arguing against an orthodoxy that had been established by liberal historians like Sir Keith Sinclair. This is what I feel a lot of conservatives don’t get – liberalism isn’t something that has invaded NZ history departments and classrooms since the ’70s or ’80s, it has a very long history here. Fairburn isn’t politically active – he doesn’t even vote – and his work can be seen as a challenge not only to left-wing notions of social solidarity and a reforming trade union movement and Labour Party, but also at conservative ideas of a stable, pious, patriotic colonial society.
    
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    November 29, 2020 9:10pm
igm

This disreputable government is doing well. Just look at our firearms legislation . . . police now armed, shootings by the day, and decent people losing their favourite guns to appease Ardern and Nash.
Like to see the stash of arms in local mosques.
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November 29, 2020 9:04am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Go and ask to see igm, getting out a bit might help your paranoia.
  
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  November 29, 2020 11:29am
  - MCos
    
    That’s the last thing igm would do in case there’s nothing there except some prayer mats, Korans and a people sitting round drinking tea and talking about cricket.
    
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    November 29, 2020 10:01pm
Catgurl13

Watching Nanaia Mahuta on Q&A this morning makes me cringe behind my hands. Is she really our foreign minister?……..
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November 29, 2020 9:13am
- Brian McDonald
  
  I’m not sure if she likes cats, but she sure is our Foreign Minister.
  
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  November 29, 2020 12:03pm
- Unity
  
  Sadly I felt the same. I’m not proud to be a New Zealander if she’s going to be the one representing us overseas. That bar code on her chin looks revolting – it makes me want to keep on wiping my mouth and when she smiles it makes her teeth look black. I’m sorry to be so personally critical but someone has to tell these people that reverting back to the Stone Age doesn’t look good in today’s world. Our country is going backwards. I’m sure I will get downticks now but this conversation needs to be had because I’m very sure I’m far from alone with my views on how repulsive these inkings are to many.
  
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  November 29, 2020 1:39pm
- softail 1450
  
  CatGurl13 ,yes she’s our Foreign minister and the jet set she will encounter will find her foreign to their senses ,especially if she’s asked about anything but Maori affairs.
  
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  November 29, 2020 1:44pm
- Nickc2
  
  Unfortunately, YES!
  
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  November 29, 2020 1:48pm
Benedict Yu

Could someone who knows more about roads explain this?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/123486538/christchurchs-newest-motorway-to-open-on-monday

This new motorway is going to “open” tomorrow but only one lane at a time and with a 50 kmh speed limit. The surfacing is not complete. The idea is that the cars will “bed in” the surface for two weeks. Then the surfacing will be finished and the motorway will be open for real.

So NZTA is using motorists as defacto rollers to flatten the surface, with the associated chip damage to cars. Surely they should use large rollers on the road and surface it properly and then open the motorway. You know like other developed countries build roads?
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November 29, 2020 9:17am
- Aliog
  
  Using car tyres for the final compaction is relatively standard in NZ roading – if you stick to 50kph you won’t damage your car. Most other countries build roads as structures – rigid, inflexible, and requiring different techniques. In NZ, with our geology and our tectonic plates, we build roads as flexible pavements – i.e. they function as a mechanism rather than as a structure. (Sorry – but you did ask!)
  
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  November 29, 2020 1:27pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Thanks – I will avoid the road until it is finished. BTW Taiwan has similar seismic challenges and they just build roads and open them – in perfect condition.
    
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    November 29, 2020 6:41pm
    - MCos
      
      You must be relatively new here if you haven’t come across that annoying style before.
      
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      November 29, 2020 10:08pm
JibberJabber

Is Joseph’s sister the Aunty Christ?
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November 29, 2020 9:19am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Certainly these days the Pope is no longer Catholic.
  
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  November 29, 2020 11:05am
Maggy Wassilieff

Journalists trying to stay relevant
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018774682/news-as-a-social-enterprise
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November 29, 2020 9:20am
- mikenmildagain
  
  And remaining relevant, to the listeners of Mediawatch, at the very least.
  
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  November 29, 2020 9:31am
- Ruahine
  
  Labour helping out with taxpayers money so that the ‘correct’ news the true source of everything you need to know and what to think is only available.
  
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  November 29, 2020 10:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Seems some of the Print journalists on the Left are beginning to lose faith that Jacinda and Labour will direct $$$$ into their coffers though.
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/media-crisis-may-be-most-problematic/
    
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    November 29, 2020 11:08am
    - Unity
      
      Perhaps they might now do what they should always have done and printed the news without any bias at all. Then we could all trust them a bit more and start buying their papers again.
      
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      November 29, 2020 1:41pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yes,
        an extraordinary concept really…
        
        However looks like that model is too risky as folks can choose not to buy their crap…
        
        So they are opting for Joe-Blogs (aka the deplorable sucker) to become a share-holder with no editorial oversight.
        
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        November 29, 2020 3:26pm
    - curry4me
      
      Maggy Wassilieff: Q: What’s the difference beween a ‘journalist’, and a pizza? A: A pizza can feed a family of four.
      
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      November 29, 2020 6:38pm
lilman

A meal out last night and one guest has a sister who works for the NZgovt, she is currently swamped in her job,what could it be?

She is actively trolling through the Govt payments for Covid assistance with regard the employer supplement.
It seems tens of thousands of NZ people figured out early that if you applied for this money it went straight into your bank account,no questions asked,it was paid in 24 hours in some cases.
Heres the problem, many were unemployed, just beneficiaries ,no business or staff to pay for.It is huge the numbers,staggering he said was her sisters words.
Many got thousands are being asked to pay back at as little as $10 dollars a week.
It seems that all this is being done under secrecy,with staff being told to speak to nobody,thanks for that Cindy.
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November 29, 2020 9:24am
- Inandout
  
  lilma, having once been involved in debt collection I can assure you many of these debts will be wiped when the costs of collecting are taken into account. And then there is the embarrassment factor for Cindy.
  
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  November 29, 2020 10:36am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Perhaps she should go the whistleblower route. It’s hard to think that wider publicity is not in the public interest.
  
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  November 29, 2020 4:29pm
- MCos
  
  “It seems that all this is being done under secrecy,with staff being told to speak to nobody”
  
  So how do you know about it?
  
  Public servants must sign up to Standards of Integrity & Conduct.
  If they want to spill the beans on stuff like this they better leave their job first.
  
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  November 29, 2020 10:29pm
Captain Mainwaring

Let’s see if I’ve got this right:
1. Cindy signs off on a rules change which makes it easier for guns to be obtained by baddies without proper vetting.
2. Within weeks the terrorist Tarrant uses this to obtain guns.
3. Christchurch massacre happens.
4. Royal Commission report is suppressed for 30 years.
Join the dots.
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November 29, 2020 9:29am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  The royal commission report is not suppressed.
  Join the dolts.
  
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  November 29, 2020 9:32am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    OK, for the hair-splitters out there.
    The important bits are.
    
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    November 29, 2020 10:13am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I really, really, doubt that will happen.
      
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      November 29, 2020 10:25am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      .
      
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      November 29, 2020 10:30am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Here is what the Royal Commission was set up to find:
      
      *what State sector agencies knew about the accused attacker, before 15 March 2019
      *what State sector agencies did (if anything) with that knowledge
      *whether there was anything else State sector agencies could have done to prevent the attack
      *what else State sector agencies should do to prevent such attacks in the future.
      
      The Royal Commission also was to investigate Tarrant’s activities before 15 March 2019, including:
      
      *his time in Australia
      *his arrival and residence in New Zealand
      *his travel within New Zealand, and internationally
      *how he obtained a gun licence, weapons, and ammunition
      *his use of social media and other online media
      *his connections with others, whether in New Zealand or internationally.
      
      https://christchurchattack.royalcommission.nz/about-the-inquiry/
      
      I suppose on Tuesday we will find out how much of this information is publicly available.
      
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      November 29, 2020 10:37am
      - muppeth8r
        
        Alot will be redacted and only a few photos of cindy hugging and cindy in hijab will remain.
        
        seriously if theyve suppressed the changes cindy and nash made to licencing mere weeks before tarrant obtained his, then the changes to online buying allowing him even easier access then we know damn well where a majority of the blame lies.
        
        Create/contribute to nz worst mass killing, get international stardom and praise, cover up incompetence that caused it.
        
        sadly they rinse and repeat when I comes to covid.
        
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        November 29, 2020 1:39pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        As much as Tarrant’s manifesto?
        
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        November 29, 2020 1:40pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  In delivering the report the Commissioners stated….
  
  “The Royal Commission has written the report so that it can be made available to the public, in full, without the need for redaction.”
  
  So I think it being suppressed for 30 years would create some difficulties for the government.
  
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  November 29, 2020 9:54am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Once again, the report is not being suppressed. Some evidence is being suppressed.
    
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    November 29, 2020 10:50am
  - Phronesis
    
    In other words the Commission censored itself. I think I would prefer it if they produced an accurate and uncensored report so that even if parts were suppressed there would at least be a historical record. This way they have buried the good bits for eternity.
    
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    November 29, 2020 11:27am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      No, the Commission acted in accordance with the law. See section 15 of the Inquiries Act 2015.
      
      http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2013/0060/48.0/DLM1566150.html
      
      It is perfectly normal for Government inquiries to restrict access to evidence, either temporarily or permanently. A Royal Commission has sweeping powers to compel people to provide evidence. The quid pro quo is that those people are protected where the disclosure of evidence could harm them.
      
      http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2013/0060/48.0/DLM1566150.html
      
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      November 29, 2020 12:31pm
- Fletch
  
  And today someone gets shot and killed in Wellsford, despite new gun laws.
  
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  November 29, 2020 9:59am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Unpossible, gotta be fake news! All the Best People assured us confiscating guns from licensed owners under threat of fines and jail, would make NZ totes safe.
    
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    November 29, 2020 10:53am
    - Nickc2
      
      Maybe it wasn’t an illegal weapon that was used in Welsford?
      
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      November 29, 2020 1:58pm
  - MCos
    
    People get killed on the roads despite all manner of laws.
    People die in industrial accidents despite all manner of laws designed to prevent such things.
    Someone got a yellow card last night despite laws designed to prevent stuff like that happening.
    
    The existence of laws & rules never prevented some people from ignoring them.
    
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    November 29, 2020 10:55am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      And yet MC we do not take cars off sober drivers because some drunken driver kills people. Geddit?
      
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      November 29, 2020 11:07am
      - MCos
        
        You missed my point, which is spelled out in the last sentence and is nothing to do with taking guns off anyone.
        You just seem to be trying to score political points.
        
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        November 29, 2020 10:39pm
- GT Build
  
  Should that be “read between the lines ” jacindas favorite phrase
  
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  November 29, 2020 10:04am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  The Legendary Reign of the Queen of Kindness must suffer no blot upon its Holy Escutcheon.
  
  Also, if the major sequential intelligence agency’s, immigration department’s and police force’s failures were publicized, they would turn upon Her Holiness as the instigator of the vetting regulations’ changes; and therefore the Commission had to cover up all the way, not just at the top of the stinking pile of manure that is NZ taxpayer-employed public servants’ gross negligence and the subsequent politically-directed malfeasance and blaming of all other people who neither committed nor facilitated the madman’s atrocity.
  
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  November 29, 2020 10:45am
Colville

So the ABs wiped the floor with a Pumas “B” side.

Method in the Pumas madness me thinks.

Pumas will be saving themselves and be hyper pumped to smash the Aussies next week looking for a 2nd place in the Tri Nations and I hope they do it!
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November 29, 2020 9:40am
- Brian McDonald
  
  The argies didn’t put a team up to lose, if anything they made a mistake of not keeping their top team in place to look for another win against the ABs and have them on edge for the Wallabies through match fitness.
  No Argentine team was going to beat the AB’s last night – they totally dominated and never went off the boil despite missing some scoring opportunities which can eat into a mentality of determination to win.
  
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  November 29, 2020 11:47am
Maggie Pie

I hate saying, “I told you so”… BUT “I told you so”

https://twitter.com/_ROB_29/status/1332750386998992898

And great to see Twitter have finally accepted the TRUTH.
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November 29, 2020 9:50am
- Fletch
  
  It trended at #1 in the US on Twitter yesterday.
  
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  November 29, 2020 9:59am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    #BidenCheated
    
    YEP 😀
    
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    November 29, 2020 10:37am
    - SB2
      
      NOPE!
      
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      November 29, 2020 10:42am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        MANAMANA DO DOO DOOT DOO DO….
        
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        November 29, 2020 10:52am
    - coge
      
      I’m 350% sure #BidenCheated.
      
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      November 29, 2020 11:49am
Catgurl13

The discussion on the Marae prog this morning is about Maori wanting Oranga Tamaki to hand over their own problems within Maori families for Maori. So what has been stopping them stepping in before authorities get involved before this?. Their families and Iwi know which families know who needs help,so why don’t they just do it?. Nothing is stopping them or has been.
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November 29, 2020 10:11am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  If the taxpayer’s not paying them to step in they have no motivation to step in.
  
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  November 29, 2020 10:48am
Fletch

Make of this what you will. A telephone call in Chinese, which, translated, looks like a request from a printing company in China to manufacture fake US ballots. In the video a caller is heard requesting a bulk order of ballots to ship to the United States

https://twitter.com/Navalosalan/status/1332430221329494017
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November 29, 2020 10:12am
- SB2
  
  Fletch , even by your standards you can do much better than this.
  
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  November 29, 2020 10:51am
- Batman
  
  Fletch is this like the evidence of Dominion voting being rigged thanks to the heresay of a guy who was “infiltrating an Antifa conference call” (laughable in itself) and was recalling the meeting from his ‘notes’ because he did not actually record the meeting, all of which he detailed on a web show with Michele Malkin who is an actual white supremacist / new-age Nazi.
  
  All of this ‘evidence’ is stories from third parties with no actual proof.
  
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  November 29, 2020 11:14am
  - emmess
    
    An Asian woman is a white supremacist?
    WTF?
    I suggest Batman might need to check himself into Arkham Asylum.
    
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    November 29, 2020 11:26am
    - SB2
      
      emmess, whatever she is definitely far-right and unhinged!
      
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      November 29, 2020 11:50am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Isn’t that how you describe anyone who doesn’t share your political views Stephie?
        
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        November 29, 2020 12:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fake news. Michele Malkin is not an actual white supremacist / new-age Nazi. I follow her on FB.
    Just your opinion
    
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    November 29, 2020 11:47am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      She might not be an actual white supremacist, but she certainly is crazy AF.
      
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      November 29, 2020 11:57am
    - cha
      
      Funny how not-a-nazi Michelle loves her antisemitic mates.
      https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/michelle-malkin-shunned-by-conservatives-over-support-for-antisemites-608349
      
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      November 29, 2020 12:34pm
    - IC5000
      
      No wonder you’re going crazy Otto having that shit in your Facebook feed. Mine is filled with Thai gogo dancers and French bulldogs. Fire up the barbie and be done with the crap for the day.
      
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      November 29, 2020 2:28pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Raining and blowing – no BBQ. Now a spa pool with a bottle of whisky, yeah!
        
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        November 29, 2020 2:57pm
      - IC5000
        
        It’s 40+ degrees in Sydney now. The heat just saps your energy and it feels like you’re literally walking in front of an oven door. Auckland sounds much nicer now than this.
        
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        November 29, 2020 3:20pm
lazza

Public service (HAH!) radio, RNZ gets worse in terms of its leftie bias.

I used to admire Mediawatch. Not any more.

And Labour’s corrupt “Democracy-Governance” subsidies to local community newspapers is nothing more than their own self-interested, cynical, politically motivated sucking up-bribery of lesser level media journalists and editors.
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November 29, 2020 10:20am
- Inandout
  
  lazza, this sort of thing leaves the ‘begging banner’ on Stuff and Herald looking rather idiotic.
  
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  November 29, 2020 10:44am
Fletch

Candace Owens tweeted weeks ago that Biden was NOT the president-elect. Her post was blocked by Facebook “fact checkers” and Politifact wrote a whole article on why she was wrong. She sued and got her post reinstated and the article removed.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/facebook-fact-checker-issues-correction-to-censoring-of-candace-owens-post-after-she-threatens-legal-action
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November 29, 2020 10:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She will go along way. First Black Woman POTUS?
  
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  November 29, 2020 10:48am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    She would appeal for voters looking for someone as stupid as Trump, but she will have to wait till after 2024 as he is already gearing up for the campaign. Hopefully, one of his feckless spawn will be on the ticket, too.
    TRUMP 2024!
    
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    November 29, 2020 10:53am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I would love to see you debate with her. She will run rings around you easily
      
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      November 29, 2020 11:52am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        But you haven’t seen me debate live – I’m awesome!
        
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        November 29, 2020 11:54am
      - Observer of Life
        
        SO: Yep, I’d like to see that debate too.
        As for Candace Owens, she is quite a woman. POTUS … what a great idea!
        
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        November 29, 2020 5:11pm
    - Robert
      
      Just for you MM.
      
      Trump getting support for his foreign policy.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts-FiuIYQlY
      
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      November 29, 2020 12:15pm
    - Robert
      
      MM
      In 10 years we have never seen you debate on KB.
      Just make criptic remarks.
      
      You should try sometime actually add ing value to your effort.
      I guess as a lefty you would want to be paid unlike the rest of us.
      
      We look forward to verbal tomes.
      
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      November 29, 2020 12:18pm
      - Mike
        
        I haven’t been paid for my guest posts. I wrote them out of love for my fellow Kiwibloggers
        
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        November 29, 2020 2:58pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        He’s a fraser house troll
        
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        November 29, 2020 3:00pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Trump 2024? As long as it’s not Ivanka – I’m sure she is a closet Democrat
      
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      November 29, 2020 2:59pm
      - Mike
        
        No, it will be Uday or Qusay.
        
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        November 29, 2020 5:19pm
- cha
  
  She’s a fucking hypocrite, Fletch. But you know that, don’t you.
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  https://newsone.com/3848636/candace-owens-receipts-con-artist/
  
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  November 29, 2020 12:38pm
- C J Southern
  
  So what you’re saying here is that the courts can be relied upon to produce the correct and proper outcome.
  
  Got it.
  
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  November 29, 2020 11:41pm
- C J Southern
  
  Pretty sure Facebook fact-checkers don’t block Tweets.
  
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  November 29, 2020 11:53pm
Catgurl13

When will this govt realise that supplying food in schools saves the kids in the meantime but not long term?.Well it doesn’t fix the complex social problems their families have as to why they can’t afford to send their kids to school with a couple of sandwiches. The panelists on the Marae prog are saying food in schools should be compulsary paid for by the tax payers. No the parents need to learn not to have kids they can’t afford and don’t really want. If they do have them,they need to realise it is the parents job to provide for their kids. Stop smoking and drinking and buy some groceries. But no it’s easy to blame tax payers. Funny they want to solve their own problems within Maori,but they want all tax payers to fund their problems.
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November 29, 2020 10:27am
- Ian Boag
  
  have kids they can’t afford …
  Who didn’t ask to be born and should be penalised for the fecklessness of their parents …
  
  supplying food in schools …
  Like they do in nasty lefty countries like the UK and the USA?
  
  If you google “US school lunches” you will find quite a number of links about school lunch programs in lots of countries. All quite deluded of course – the dinkum oil is here on KB exposed by a fearless keyboard warrior posing as a feline female ….
  
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  December 29, 2018 10:40am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    “Who didn’t ask to be born and should be penalised for the fecklessness of their parents…”
    
    Then put them up for adoption to caring parents who will love them and feed them [ Mod – you made your point ]
    
    And let’s face it, it is doing those innocent children no favor at all to leave them under the so-called “care” of people who breed them and won’t feed them.
    
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    December 29, 2019 10:51am
    - Ian Boag
      
      So why aren’t you promoting this idea instead of just mouthing off?
      
      Remove the children from the economically challenged environment. The ones that can’t be placed could be put into “children’s homes”.
      
      Why does this all ring a bell ?
      
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      December 29, 2019 11:07am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        IB: How do you know what I am and am not doing in my community? Answer – you do not.
        
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        November 29, 2020 11:08am
  - Inandout
    
    Ian, to tackle a problem you attempt to find the root cause, then try and fix it. As an example you don’t continually lay new carpet while the roof is still leaking like a sieve.
    
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    November 29, 2020 10:50am
    - Ian Boag
      
      True. But while you are fixing the roof you do try to keep the floor dry.
      
      Anyway. You probably have a solution to all this that does not involve taxpayers coughing up for basic school lunches … ?? Something better than “they shouldn’t breed” …..
      
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      November 29, 2020 11:12am
      - Inandout
        
        Ian, perhaps fix the pregnancy leak?
        
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        November 29, 2020 11:33am
  - igm
    
    So taxpayers’ money is used to fund ferals, whilst the parents have more to spend on booze, drugs, takeaways, and breed more.
    If irresponsible people continue to breed for payment this country is doomed, and those supporting this disgusting current regime are to blame.
    Look at the attitude of the home-grown drunken bludgers around town on dole days . . . it is bloody sickening!
    
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    November 29, 2020 11:06am
  - Catgurl13
    
    Ian how is it fair that we make sure our kids are looked after properly even when it comes to planning our last dollar and going without luxuries. Yet we are still asked to to.pay out for the lazy members of our society who don’t care about their kids?. The answer is not to keep taking medicine, the answer is to cure the illness. The parents of these kids need to be held to account,not just be allowed to walk free and do nothing.
    
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    November 29, 2020 11:16am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Yep. Throw them into jail. That will help. Give the kids to “someone” to look after. There used to be a place in Epuni ….
      
      I understand your frustration. Like you, I don’t have an answer. Taking it out on the children doesn’t seem all that clever …
      
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      November 29, 2020 7:59pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I could make an adequate lunch for a young child for about $4.
  
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  November 29, 2020 10:44am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’m sure you could make an adequate lunch for an adult too, or any other large carnivore.
    
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    November 29, 2020 10:54am
    - plc
      
      Unduly belligerent?
      
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      November 29, 2020 1:05pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Just for pun.
        
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        November 29, 2020 3:37pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I recall back in the early 90’s the prospect of compulsory sterilization being discussed on talkback with John Banks.
  Assume that would be off the agenda udder Labor?
  
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  November 29, 2020 10:49am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You don’t need to make it compulsory. Put up signs in WINZ offices offering a $5,000 cash payment to any men between the ages of 18 and 40 who are on a benefit, if they undergo a vasectomy. There would be a good take up and it would be great value.
    
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    November 29, 2020 12:44pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Pointless. 1 man can impregnate 10 thousand women.
      
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      November 29, 2020 3:31pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        umm… does that not make my idea 10,000 times worthwhile?
        
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        November 29, 2020 7:27pm
- Paulus
  
  What about School Holidays – do the children go without ?
  
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  November 29, 2020 1:32pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    There’s a campaign in the UK currently on exactly that point – that free school lunches should be extended over the holidays. Just nuts.
    
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    November 29, 2020 4:34pm
lazza

Murder in Wellsford. Murder at Mohaka. Grandmother found dead in car … homicide suspected?

Labour is soft on crime .. and on gangs.

And! … “Angry Andy” (Little) … is a very dangerous politician.

The headlines offer the proof.
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November 29, 2020 10:46am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Angry Andy” (Little) … is a very dangerous politician.”
  
  That is the understatement of the century.
  
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  November 29, 2020 11:00am
  - SB2
    
    I don’t think Joe and Jane Voting public think so 17/10/20
    
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    November 29, 2020 12:02pm
  - sooty
    
    Look what he did to pike river!
    
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    November 29, 2020 1:16pm
Maggie Pie

Looks like being a cold shitty day for the Santa Parade.

LOL!!
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November 29, 2020 11:03am
Batman

Ignoring the source, which I’m sure will cause some to completely disregard it, this story is well worth reading for a look into the Republican officials who resisted the steal:

In Key States, Republicans Were Critical in Resisting Trump’s Election Narrative https://nyti.ms/33sdmN3
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November 29, 2020 11:17am
- Robert
  
  Rino’s not republicans.
  
  If Trump doesn’t win then the Republicans are on the way out.
  The Rino’s are liberals in a different colour whereas the electorate generally that follow Trump are conservative.
  So, either the Republicans get their crap together or there will be a new conservative party arise.
  
  Just as there has been here.
  
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  November 29, 2020 12:24pm
Brian McDonald

krazykiwes, Phil Best and others hero gets ready to walk the plank?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-swedens-government-sidelines-epidemiologist-as-deaths-rise/CNY3FNHE27DQONSB7B77ZDFVBQ/
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November 29, 2020 11:20am
- SB2
  
  The Daily Mail would suffice for them carrying a similar item,
  
  Has Sweden’s iconoclast public health expert been sidelined? Anders Tegnell is pushed off the airwaves amid ‘split’ within government as country’s coronavirus deaths continue to rise
  
  Swedish PM’s briefing overran on Thursday, clashing with that of Anders Tegnell
  
  Sweden has said it has seen no signs of herd immunity slowing spread of Covid
  
  Tegnell once said country would fare better than others due to higher immunity
  
  Total of 6,622 Covid-related deaths in Sweden and 5,841 new cases on Thursday
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8996157/Health-expert-Swedens-no-lockdown-Covid-strategy-sidelined-government.html
  
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  November 29, 2020 12:04pm
Maggie Pie

Just having our raspberry KK’s with a cuppa and watching ‘Outsiders’ on Sky.
Rita Panahi asks female Iranian dissident “…. how does it make her feel to see the likes of New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Adhern wearing a Hijab, when in Iran, it’s a symbol of subjugation of women?”

Good question.
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November 29, 2020 12:27pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  ….her response was “it showed a complete lack of understanding of the harsh treatment Muslim woman are still subjected to every day of their lives”
  
  Rowan Deam chimed in with “…one of the worst cases of ‘virtue signaling wokeness’ he had ever experienced. No wonder kiwis are heading to Austraya in their droves”
  
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  November 29, 2020 2:34pm
I remember when

Sweden covid-19 deaths as at 24 Nov.
90+ Totals = 1751
80-90 = 2729
70-79 = 1385 – 70+ 89.5% total deaths
60-69 = 437 – 60+ = 96.1%.
The answer for all countries remains the same the disease is dangerous for those 60+, so protect them.
Singapore is an example of what happens when 95% of cases of the disease are in their 20’s and 30’s.
Why are Australian politicians willing to open their borders while we are seemly petrified.
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November 29, 2020 12:34pm
I remember when

Year-on-year traffic reduction in cities due to coronavirus. Statista.
16 – 22 March:
Madrid – 86%: Milan – 74%: New York -74%: Barcelona -73%: Manchester -67%: San Paulo -55%:
Stockholm – 48%:
19-25 October:
Manchester -42%: San Paulo -42%: New York -39%: Barcelona -35%: Madrid -32%: Milan -29%:
Stockholm -3%:
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November 29, 2020 12:43pm
Swifty

Many Labour and Green supporters can learn from the Afghans it seems:

https://youtu.be/_m7uL4Q44ws?t=1217

Judge the outcome not the intention.

(Good doco by the way; Afghanistan – The Great Game, hosted by Rory Stewart
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November 29, 2020 1:08pm
Paulus

What about School Holidays – do the children go without ?
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November 29, 2020 1:34pm
Manu-Rau

Can someone answer a question about the ‘bright line test’, please?

Does the test apply to a rental property that was purchased prior to the introduction of the BLT in October 2015? I assumed it would, but recently read somewhere that it doesn’t. Does anyone know?
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November 29, 2020 1:55pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  According to a number of Tweets and Facebook posts I’ve read, only about 25% have ever been declared or collected.
  Just ignore it like most other people.
  
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  November 29, 2020 2:48pm
- artemisia
  
  Bright line test doesn’t apply to properties bought before 1 October 2015. However it also depends on when the title change was registered so that needs to be checked too.
  
  There is also the ‘intention test’ – was the property bought with the intention of selling for gain. That can apply even if the sale falls outside the bright line test dates.
  
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  November 29, 2020 4:09pm
- Robert
  
  Probably past the 5 year mark. If so then no.
  Depreciation if you claimed it has to be written back and you pay tax on that.
  
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  November 29, 2020 5:24pm
Jack5

Chris Wikaira and Maori academic Ella Henry both linked tie wearing in Parliament to colonisation when they spoke in the panel on RNZ’s Sunday morning show today.

Chris, a PR man, recounted how, when he was a journalist, he had been asked to leave the Parliamentary Press Gallery on a day he arrived without a jacket and tie.

He said the present dress code in Parliament came into effect only about 1995 when Sir Peter Tapsell, the first Maori Speaker of the House of Representatives, raised dress standards for MPs.

Asked by the RNZ host, Gentleman Jim Mora, whether he favoured compulsory ties in Parliament, Wikaira said: “…why would I wear this symbol of colonial oppression.”

Henry said she had seen better behaviour in a number of bars around Auckland than she had seen in Parliament over the last 20 years.

She went on: “Ties … I think we need to be decolonising our Parliament. It’s an incredibly diverse Parliament.”

Henry, who has a Ph.D. in Maori entrepreneurship, is director of Maori Advancement at AUT.

Ties are in fact diverse wear around the world, though originally a Western fashion.

According to one source, they go back to 1630 when France’s King Louis XIII was impressed by the neck wear of a unit of Croatian mercenaries. The King praised the cravats they wore, and they became popular wear in France, and evolved into ties.

Google Xi Jinping, Trump, or Biden and you will see them wearing ties. Yoshihide Suga, Prime Minister of Japan, too, and
Uhuru Kenyatta, President of Kenya.

If Waitaira and Henry want ties scrapped as “colonial relics,” they might as well go the whole hog and scrap all Western dress. In particular they might consider Maori Party co-leader Rawiri Waititi, and his cowboy hat.

Cowboys and the US cavalry, who wore similar hats, were the cutting edge of “colonisation” of a huge part of the United States.

But we can leave the best defence of ties to one of our favourite MPs (and he’s Maori) – Simon Bridges:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/11/simon-bridges-passionately-defends-ties-in-parliament-likes-not-having-to-think-about-what-to-wear.html
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November 29, 2020 2:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Once again Prof Michael Baker has advice which this Government will probably adopt… but months after he first proposed it.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/leading-epidemiologist-calling-overhaul-miq-process-amid-repeated-system-failures
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November 29, 2020 2:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://americaslastlineofdefense.com/computer-dude-suicided/?
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November 29, 2020 2:40pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  EXACTLY as my partner predicted would happen.
  Watch for the ‘body-count’ to grow.
  
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  November 29, 2020 2:53pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I’m guessing you clicked on it and read their header?
    
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    November 29, 2020 3:04pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Couldn’t be arsed reading the whole thing to be honest Steve.
      Cliked on the link to ‘german poop porn’ and that was enough for me.
      
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      November 29, 2020 4:08pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The header does say it is ‘satire’
        
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        November 29, 2020 4:14pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Doesn’t make it any less believable.
        
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        November 29, 2020 4:17pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Parody.
    
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    November 29, 2020 3:36pm
- emmess
  
  No need for South Park satire
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ8ZzLa8eAQ
  
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  November 29, 2020 4:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Socialism explained – but try explaining it to a socialist. (Thanksgiving)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBMxCzAgiXQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3KC_aeh30iWomCGwtzyZNXVCIqjRHgMSWpQuz5Jvi2o0K8qfVmwEAH4DI
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November 29, 2020 3:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Imagine being SO dumb that you think the guy who has been in office for 4 years is the problem, and the guy that has been in office for 47 years is the solution?
He was once VPOTUS ffs
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November 29, 2020 4:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Michelle Malkin, the ‘white supremist according to Batman is a Filipino American, her parents were from the Philippines.
Anyway, do you dispute this Batman??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpNZattlJv4&fbclid=IwAR3dqh0wDaI9KwMCImEjKrRowMzD31HHt-t64JmbGhG7Y0dKJQ2i1XrwQUE
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November 29, 2020 4:42pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/123543239/blunder-sends-animal-activists-with-lewd-signs-into-heart-of-kids-christmas

“Council spokesman Richard MacLean confirmed the animal rights group made arrangements with one section of the council a few months ago “but the knowledge of this protest didn’t reach our events staff”.”

I say “Bullshit”.
This apparent mixup over dates and routes was most certainly a deliberate action by council staff.
This sort of thing is right up their alley.
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November 29, 2020 4:45pm
oldfella

NZTA, now known as Waka Kotahi, continues its mission of increasing our Maori language vocabulary, instead of just giving us important information, in English, and without the woke crap.
https://twitter.com/WakaKotahiAkNth/status/1332859820735651842?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1332859820735651842%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nzherald.co.nz%2Fnz%2Fwarning-to-motorists-on-auckland-harbour-bridge%2F2CABPB2JHENENJNB75DHQBXKRA%2F
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November 29, 2020 5:40pm
- Jack5
  
  We need to follow Maori and demand information in full in both languages.
  
  In fact there should be parallel web sites.
  
  Then Woke Waka Kotahi will satisfy folk conversant in both languages, and the number of hits will give them feedback on the association’s success.
  
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