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June 21, 2021 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 21 June 2021

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Happychappy

It shows in what the media have done in the last 24hours that Jacinda and all the Journalist she has in her back pocket are running scared.
Winston Peters has scared the shit out of one Senior Journalist Tova O’Brien that she has already done a National poll to see who wants him in New Zealand Politics and back in Parliament with her result being 70% against him coming back and that shows how desperate the media are to shut him out of New Zealand Politics once and for all.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/06/exclusive-newshub-reid-research-poll-shows-majority-of-new-zealanders-don-t-want-winston-peters-to-return-to-politics.html
I dislike Winston Peters as much as most in New Zealand and have never ever voted for him, but I believe he could do major damage to Jacinda Ardern and her brand and in my opinion more damage than all the opposition Parties join together, so I look forward to how this will playout because both he and Jacinda Ardern have big egos to go with their hate of rejection, interesting times ahead.
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June 21, 2021 8:00am
- G152
  
  Two big blows yesterday and only one was Peters
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:49am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  What nonsense. “Running scared,” your dreaming mate. It’s politics, it’s also a long way off the floor NZF has to climb. Why wouldn’t there be polls to find public sentiment? It’s called news, unlike your daily rehashed gobblygook.
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:54am
  - Happychappy
    
    At least on didn’t have to go inside to learn your your jibberish doubledutch language.
    
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    June 21, 2021 8:59am
  - Happychappy
    
    70% didn’t want Winston back 19% were happy for him to be back and the rest didn’t want to give a opinion, so if you believe Labour poll figures are credible the Winston Peters and NZ First have already probably seen a promising start to their quest of 5% after their AGM.
    
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    June 21, 2021 9:15am
    - Paulus
      
      I might just join NZ First for the hell of it.
      Doesn’t mean I will vote for him though.
      It will put the shits and her friends up, eh Tova.
      
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      June 21, 2021 11:24am
    - Unity
      
      Winston and Shane Jones could come in handy for the next couple of years to expose all the racial divisions and bias even though I wouldn’t consider voting for NZ First. I’m sure they will give it all their time seeing they know how so many of us abhor what’s going on and have given their vote in the past hoping Winston would do something. However, they won’t be taken in again but let’s hope Winston gives it his all in the meantime in the hope we will vote for him. What he is saying is just so true but that’s as far as it goes with him. No action on getting rid of the divisions.
      
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      June 21, 2021 4:03pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “polls to find public sentiment” are “news” – crack up bro, nice one!
    
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    June 21, 2021 9:19am
    - Bob
      
      Tova playing with the numerals pad on her keyboard again!
      
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      June 21, 2021 11:24am
- nathie
  
  Good points but actually O’Brien referenced an older (May) Reid Research Poll … I suspect if they polled again the results will look better for NZ First. So yes it was a lazy “hit job” in a way.
  
  Frankly I wouldn’t trust NZF but if they start putting the pressure on Labour even from the sidelines (MSM can’t seem to help themselves by running off to seek soundbites from Peters and Jones etc) then let’s enjoy the spectacle!
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:58am
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  I can’t stand Peters, but I’ll acknowledge that he is saying everything that the useless Nats should be saying. My worry is that, like always, it’s just what he’ll say to get elected but then do nothing once he gets in. That’s his MO. But he’s picked a very good time to come back.
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:10am
  - Batman
    
    He voted for the Act which made Aotearoa an official language translation of New Zealand, so yes he is as usual a hypocrite who is doing it for the attention of suckers.
    
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    June 21, 2021 9:14am
    - Happychappy
      
      Yes but tell the full story on the deal he did with act to get David Seymour on side. I find it concerning that you can call out others for not being truthful and you don’t mention that they both agreed to vote for each others bill.
      
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      June 21, 2021 9:21am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Which Act was that?
      
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      June 21, 2021 9:29am
      - Jack5
        
        Yes, ?Batman, please us find the “Aotearoa” act you mention. I’m having trouble getting it at the NZ legislation web site.
        
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        June 21, 2021 5:45pm
    - curry4me
      
      Batman: I agree 100%. If Welllington had experienced a severe earthquake in 1991; the damage would still be less than NZ Worst has done over the years. Dead, and inured people aside.
      
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      June 21, 2021 10:01am
    - Cobolt24
      
      There’s nothing wrong with that, he just doesn’t like the separatism being encouraged by the current gov.
      
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      June 21, 2021 10:13am
      - Batman
        
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        “separatism” is not the same as a bit of bilingual language and a targeted health services delivery unit.
        
        He’s appealing to small voter block which operates on their fear of change. It’s only about 2% but that’s what he needs.
        
        He doesn’t actual care about so-called separatism. He cares about power and status for himself.
        
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        June 21, 2021 10:16am
      - Jack5
        
        A bit of bilingual language.”
        
        Do you live in Iceland and post from there, Batman?
        
        The Government’s trying to force a change of main language on the country. It’s using State TV, State Radio, and subsidised newspapers in this the way Stalin used Pravda, Izvestia and Radio Moscow.
        
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        June 21, 2021 10:39am
      - Scott
        
        The current government appears to be doing everything they can to separate us according to race. We are encouraged to embrace a separate language. One race of people has a separate Health Authority. One race of people has a separate right to representation on every local body council.
        
        I’ve thought of a name for it! We could call it “segregation”!
        
        What do people think?
        
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        June 21, 2021 11:20am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Has any journalist yet accused him of being separatist and racist, as they did with Judith Collins? Or will it just be written off as “Winston being Winston”?
        
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        June 21, 2021 12:07pm
      - Yabster
        
        Obviously a bit slow today Woke Batty the crap report that was commisioned by the crap Government but was hidden from the public is separatism by anyones definition- and before you bleat on thats its not policy – stop deluding yourself- its is policy just not official policy which is cowardly and deceiptful – but thats this crap Govt summed up in two words.
        
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        June 21, 2021 12:24pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Yes and No.
    
    Judith exposes the He PuaPua report which calls for racial separatism she is accused of “playing the political race card.”
    
    Winston says he’s not happy about Aotearoa in government documents ,the He PuaPua Report , and Maori wards and it’s reported positively as a “comeback speech” with no mention of the word racist.
    
    Judith and Simon are called racist for the same comments that get Winston labelled a populist making a comeback.
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:07am
- Flossie
  
  Did Tova really do a National poll? I can’t imagine that was possible in such a short time. Perhaps she just asked a few people?
  This morning TV3 breakfast show had it virtually neck and neck with the yes and no answers to “do you want Winston back?”
  I wouldn’t vote for NZ First especially while Shane Jones is there but the did hold back some of Labour’s more outrageous ideas.
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:32am
  - Yabster
    
    anything that pissed toxic off is a good thing even Winnie.
    
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    June 21, 2021 12:25pm
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  30% wanted Peters. Only has to caputre 25% of that to be back in.
  
  Adern will, uncharacteristically, need to keep her bog mouth shut about Winston. She wont want to upset him, he knows where there are a few skeletons (he still has the shovel) which will show Jacinda for the liar and lightweight that she is.
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:43am
  - Bob
    
    If Winston hadn’t kept the shovel, then some of the ‘shovel ready projects’ ready to go the day after 2020 election may have taken place.
    
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    June 21, 2021 11:28am
- Chris R
  
  NZ First is irrelevant despite Winston making correct observations about the Ardern Circus Of The Absurd. Nobody needs a handbrake when their axle is broken.
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:07am
- Bob
  
  Adern still hasn’t provided Winston’s Knighthood for anointing her in 2017; the oversight of a naive political lightweight.
  
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  June 21, 2021 11:23am
- Than
  
  Um, you do recall that Jacinda Ardern is only Prime Minister because Winston Peters put her there right? Bought out with baubles, because as ever, Winston was never in politics for anybody benefit but his own.
  
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  June 21, 2021 12:21pm
Captain Mainwaring

Julie-Anne Genter says that the ‘gas-guzzler’ tax should be 20 times higher.
Does anyone need any more evidence that this woman is completely mad?
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June 21, 2021 8:00am
- KevO'Brien
  
  We have already had that with her cycling to the hospital for the birth of her child.
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:30am
  - MarkF
    
    With the hypocritical SUV (off frame) following behind!
    
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    June 21, 2021 8:35am
  - maggiemay
    
    Someone asked at the time, “Did she bike home?”
    
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    June 21, 2021 9:57am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  How about the `imported Indonesian coal-guzzler’?
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:33am
  - kowtow
    
    In the new topsy turvy Orwellian languagescape of the 21 st C ; an EV is actually an ICE.
    
    Indonesian Coaled Electric.
    
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    June 21, 2021 8:59am
- ronsegal
  
  Clearly on planet Genter cars should be banned.
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:55am
  - sooty
    
    Except for her and the politaratee!
    She does like to be seen in the back of limousines!
    
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    June 21, 2021 12:29pm
- cmm
  
  If she can’t even spell petrol properly she has no place in parliament.
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:08am
- JackRabbit
  
  I’m all in favour of Electric Cars, but not taxes, subsidies, or tariffs that skew the marketplace.
  
  Stamping out ‘gas-guzzlers’ and making farmers unemployed would have her in raptures, in ignorance of the part they play in her life.
  
  But she is dumb and ignorant. She would be the kind of person, that if she loathed her parents generation, would steal a time machine, go back in time and kill off her respective grandparents, before they could pro-create, so that she, JAG would have to put up with her parents.
  
  Electric cars are great and here to stay, however interfering with supply and demand with taxes, subsidies, and tariffs, harms everyone. Creating artificial demand when the supply is not there yet.
  
  When you can buy a medium price family sedan that will travel 600km on one charge, and recharge in 15 minutes, and is not “coal powered”, you will get wide acceptance. On this last point technology is rapidly changing, but don’t expect a socialist government to embrace that change – they would lose their control.
  
  Currently if you buy an electric car with a maximum range of 300km, the 300km is city driving, where the EVs are most efficient. A “gas guzzler’s” economy and range increases by about 30% on the open road. An EV’s range decreases on the open road by up to 35% to 40%. And if it is freezing out, you can lose 25% due to battery inefficiency, and the use of the heating, and more at night. In some cases that 300km city driving on a warm day, can drop to 150km for open road driving driving in the cold.
  
  The range is not there yet, and neither is price. They will get there but Govt should not be interfering with the supply and demand.
  
  If anything it should be focused on fast tracking hydro damns and low impact hydro schemes. But that is beyond the intellect of this lot.
  
  And forget about pumped hydro. It does not create energy, it only stores it with substantial overhead losses. Pumped hydro is ancient technology and several steps behind modern efficient energy storage.
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:23am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Plug in hybrids are a decent compromise. For many people they can do 80-90% of travel (commuting) on battery power, with petrol power in reserve for longer trips. Almost all the notional advantages of a pure EV without the need to lug around a huge expensive and slow to charge battery all the time.
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:42am
    - rouppe
      
      Except plug in hybrids still have a large premium over even “standard” hybrids
      
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      June 21, 2021 12:40pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      UN, Yes hybrids are a decent compromise.
      
      Irrespective of that, I see no need to skew supply and demand just because the govt wants to.
      
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      June 21, 2021 7:08pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Let’s use a Suzuki Swift as an example
        
        Purchase price
        ICE: $21,000
        Hybrid: $27,000
        
        Economy
        ICE: 4.8l/100km
        Hybrid: 4.1l/100km
        
        A difference of 0.7l/100m
        or $1.75/100km
        
        So you’ll make back your extra $6,000 after 343,000km of driving or around 23 years of average motoring
        
        Oh, and the cheapest PHEV in NZ currently costs $50k
        
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        June 21, 2021 8:49pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      A compromise for what?
      
      They are more expensive than an ICE vehicle that does the same job.
      
      The TCO is higher than a petrol vehicle until at least Y5 and most new cars are moved before then, especially with limited battery warranties
      
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      June 21, 2021 8:41pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Te Waka Koha will have slowed open road speeds to 40kph by not maintaining roads, congestion and for safety in a couple of years so coal burning vehicles will make even more sense.
    
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    June 21, 2021 12:35pm
  - Paulus
    
    Socialism is all about Control.
    
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    June 21, 2021 1:10pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      What about Kaos?
      
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      June 21, 2021 1:38pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Oh, that was Smart ! (but should it not be KAOS ?)
        
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        June 21, 2021 2:21pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Better check with Siegfried, vice-president in charge of public relations and terror…
        
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        June 21, 2021 4:02pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You should be under the cone of silence
        
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        June 21, 2021 5:21pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        BTW, if you need to contact Sigfried, his daytime job is running a hot dog stand in Central Park. It’s not a disguise, he makes his living that way. (Cf the last classic MS episode).
        
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        June 21, 2021 7:41pm
Souvlaki

Herewith the pinnacle of New Zealand ‘journalism’:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/genius-clarke-gayford-wows-with-movie-themed-cake-for-neves-third-birthday/LBM4NQWQ2QYFNEUMMJNHBMD6SY/
Following a bruising news week over the ‘revolting peasants’ fightback over trifling matters such as the cycling bridge/ the fabrication of Toyota Hilux EVs imminent arrival etc…the call has gone out to ‘man the pumps’. NZME,in true spirit has submitted the above emetic.
Astute observers will note the typo in the TV cake photo! It is meant to read “ Mickey Mouse in Gone to Faeces” …. with Rose Byrne playing Jacinda Ardern .
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June 21, 2021 8:00am
- fernglas
  
  If Jacinda dares to complain about Neve being on the receiving end of social media abuse or paparazzi stalking, she has only herself to blame. Is it close to child abuse to use your kid for publicity?
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:09am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Report Jacinda to Oranga Tamariki.
    
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    June 21, 2021 9:37am
- Simon
  
  Thats why Cindyclown had the Ro vaxx last Friday afternoon. They had to clear her calendar for a few days in case of bad reaction to the Ro vaxx. Must not scare Sheep Aotearoa. Side reaction is normal for a vaccine. But more so for the Ro vaxx.
  
  Unless the Cindyclown was out and about Saturday or Sunday? And now another break for baby birthday? Most people take the Ro vaxx, wait half an hour and back to work. They must be really concerned about the Ro vaxx roll out.
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:21am
- MCos
  
  I saw that article and I thought, who reads this stuff?
  
  Now I know!
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:21am
  - Fidel Cashflow
    
    Clearly you do, otherwise you wouldn’t have seen the article.
    
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    June 21, 2021 9:13am
    - Steve Todd
      
      We all see articles all the time without necessarily reading them, Mr Know-all.
      
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      June 21, 2021 9:57am
      - Fidel Cashflow
        
        I’m flattered. However, “we all” doesn’t include me. Personally, I don’t see any articles on Stuff, because I never visit Stuff, the Herald or any of the others. I stopped about 5 or 6 years ago.
        
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        June 21, 2021 10:07am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Nevertheless, you clearly equated seeing an article with reading it, which is not the case.
        
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        June 21, 2021 10:22am
- Frank the tank
  
  There has been a few of the “puff” pieces recently.
  
  A staple strategy of the Feckless to secure the votes of NZers over the age of 40 without a penis .
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:40am
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    What else would 4 comms people have to do.. they dont have any achievements to write about. I saw a great quote yesterday describing what is wrong in NZ – “Those that work for a living have been outnumbered by those who vote for a living.”
    
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    June 21, 2021 9:46am
andrew davies

Watch this 9 year old girl fillet her wokester school board. A must watch.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/06/20/i-was-told-no-politics-at-school-you-lied-to-me-9-year-old-student-drops-entire-school-board-over-blm-posters-and-damn-watch/
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June 21, 2021 8:00am
- Liberty
  
  How can a school have a no politics rule?
  Is this common in the USA?
  This might explain how a country of 340million people. Have elected two somby presidents in a row.
  
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  June 21, 2021 1:47pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No politics unless it is the Marxist politics they like
    
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    June 21, 2021 5:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She will go a long way. Like her clothing?
  
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  June 21, 2021 5:26pm
graham

I was fascinated to read the BFD’s analysis of Stuff’s editorial claiming that no, just because the Government has stumped up $55 million dollars to keep them and other media organisations afloat, doesn’t mean they’re not still fiercely independent and holding the Government to account – thanks oldfella for posting the link.
https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/06/20/someone-tell-stuff-explaining-is-losing/

What I found fascinating was something that I hadn’t realised – namely, accessing money from the Public Interest Journalism Fund is dependent on following the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi, AND a “commitment to te reo Maori”. From NZ On Air’s “Public Interest Journalism Fund: Guidelines for funding applicants”, guess what the very first “general eligibility criteria” for applications to be assessed is:

6. Eligibility to Apply

All general eligibility criteria below must be met for applications to be assessed.

Commitment to Te Tiriti o Waitangi and to Māori as a Te Tiriti partner: Applicants can show a clear and obvious commitment or intent for commitment to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, including a commitment to te reo Māori. This commitment will enhance public interest journalism, resulting in stronger Māori representation and greater bi-cultural collaboration within the wider journalism sector. More guidance on this is provided in our Q & A document.

Notice – ALL general eligibility criteria below MUST be met for applications to be assessed.

Explains a lot, doesn’t it?
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June 21, 2021 8:03am
- KevO'Brien
  
  This is the govt, via an agency, enforcing what is dubiously legal and certainly out of sync with their mandate.
  How can there be a lawful “commitment to te reo Maori”? There is not even a defined te reo, there are tribal differences.
  
  Cinder’s gulliblement once more appears to be acting illegally.
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:43am
- Steve Todd
  
  I don’t see a problem here, graham.
  
  At some point in the future, when the People elect a N/ACT majority coalition government, the “offending” legislation that permits this “nonsense”, will simply be repealed.
  
  Won’t it?
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:08am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Clear that next National govt has to terminate all media and academic left wing bias with extreme prejudice to save NZ from the abyss. Defund all the leftie/racist propagandists, including Marxism infused humanities and make sure that there are permanently financially secure (endowed) right wing academic and media organisations in NZ that cannot be shut-down by future left wing govts.
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:50am
    - Bloody Dago
      
      This is worth a watch and see what the future holds with Jackass in charge and then look through the eyes of this guy from Cuba who goes to a HOME DEPOT for the first time in his life.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLsscvpsH8E&t=348s
      Ditch the bitch before she destroys our children’s future.
      
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      June 21, 2021 11:31am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I did not understand your comment, but after watching I know exactly what you mean
        
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        June 21, 2021 5:38pm
    - curry4me
      
      UrbanNeocolonialist: By then they might have Luxon, and Muller in the two top positions. So, all bets will be off. Unless ACT stick a blow torch down their undies.
      
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      June 21, 2021 6:34pm
- RockyJ
  
  Even more bizarre is that editors from both Stuff and Herald have published articles saying they are not biased because their positions are plain to see on their websites. Double speak. All they are doing in fact is public ally admitting their bias.
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Why do they sometimes shut off the comments then?
    Because my bias is not the same as their bias – simple really
    
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    June 21, 2021 5:50pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Heh! They even gave Lois Turei a platform on the NZH
    
    “I chose not become an editor but worked in production”
    
    Trans: “I was so incompetent as a reporter and so disliked as a person that they put me in charge of bullying the sub-editors”
    
    One of the most unpleasant people that I met in 35 years of newsrooms. A complete bully with zero social graces.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/lois-turei-i-needed-to-step-up-and-bring-my-wahine-maori-to-the-fore/FHPDB3BCKDOC5APKHE7IT5KCF4/
    
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    June 21, 2021 9:30pm
- oldgolfer
  
  Stuff is without shame. It would anything for a buck.
  
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  June 21, 2021 11:47am
Paulus Gnome

A sure sign that new Zealand is suffering a governance crisis is when Peters starts to make sense and Jones’ $3 billion seems like chump change.

How long before Martin ‘discovers’ that her difference in ‘values’ can be uncompromised by having a government funded salary and perks?
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June 21, 2021 8:04am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  She is getting a government funded salary and no longer has to deal with Winston or be accountable to voters.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/former-nz-first-minister-tracey-martin-given-reins-on-work-to-merge-tvnz-and-rnz/KEVXYMCZWENZE6Z7NMKDNOVKGE/
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:07am
Andrei

Roger Water’s has a message for Mark Zuckerberg

https://youtu.be/bIy9fHSoDv8
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June 21, 2021 8:05am
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  Even though I agree about Zuckerberg, I can’t stand that smug prick Roger Waters and his cold, clinical music. Syd Barrett will always be Pink Floyd to me.
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:19am
  - yossarian
    
    Gilmore and Wright for me. Those two created the Floyd sound
    
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    June 21, 2021 11:42am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Always liked the image conjured up by the Tagline “Roger Waters the Wall”.
    
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    June 21, 2021 2:25pm
fernglas

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/winston-peters-all-fight-no-fault
So the man who defamed another under parliamentary privilege despite a court order preventing publication, who is mounting one of the most pointless appeals against his loss in one of the most pointless privacy cases in history and whose party is subject to serious SFO investigation is going to come back and tell us all how we should behave? What a sorry state this sad little country is in.
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June 21, 2021 8:07am
Yvette

Perhaps more “Ideological Necrophilia” – Winston’s come-back speech –

You may recall a few years ago, that Sir John Key decided vainly, that he wanted to change the New Zealand flag.
Seemed to me John Key quite legitimately raised the idea of a flag change, launched a democratic referendum, only for it to be grossly politicised by Labour and other opponents – as I remember it, but possibly I am as wrong recalling that is as Winston’s unhelpful recollection: that it was all Key’s pride and arrogance – that it was foisted upon us, as is Winston’s following point – involuntary Maorification –

… in 2019 a report called ‘He Puapua’ came to Government but was never shown to one NZ First Cabinet Minister.
This report was deliberately suppressed.
In short, this report is a recipe for Maori separatism, they knew it and that’s why they suppressed it till after the election in the full knowledge that NZ First is for one flag, one country, one law. It was a gesture of ingratitude and bad faith.
Growing in our country is a ‘cancel culture’ where anyone who asks legitimate questions is belittled as a colonialist, a racist, a bigot, a chauvinist, or worse still, ‘not new wokeage’. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are not challenging the Prime Ministers good intentions and her crisis leadership. In Government we backed it.
But on countless occasions we challenged that they had few plans on delivery. You’ve heard of KiwiBuild, Labour’s flagship policy …

“A recipe for Maori separatism” – Winston hammers that, and “the Prime Ministers good intentions and her crisis leadership” nails it too.

The word Winston used but wasted – Cinderalerised

And – We uniquely have never done a pre-election deal behind the voters’ back.

Well yes, rather than any pre-election deal, Winston has always attempted a post-election deal, where he takes the leverage NZF voters have given him and selects a Government totally irrespective of his voters intentions, which of course being a tick on a voting paper for his Party, told him nothing else. So it is his decision – one man, thousands of votes – or at best that supposedly of His team, but still a fucking mockery of democracy.

And I guess if he comes back, so does that …

But Newshub – In the May Newshub-Reid Research poll, asked: Should Winston Peters return to politics? New Zealand said no – 70.1 percent, an overwhelming majority, have called time on politics for him. Just 19.6 percent said yes and 10.3 percent don’t know.
So well before yesterday’s speech
And this morning, Newshub’s poll “Do you want Winston Peters back?” is Yes: 49%, No: 51%

Meanwhile – People like Mark and long-serving member and MP Tracey Martin were notably absent at the weekend.
Both have left the party after deciding enough was enough and taking issue with the way the campaign was run into the ground so close to the election.
The party needs Peters to stay on if it has any hope of surviving.
But if true believers like Mark and Martin have lost faith, what hope is there of convincing the rest of the country? – Newsroom

But – Shane Jones believes Peters will lead the party back to Parliament.
Shane Jones? Well, that may nail it too – like, one in the coffin
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June 21, 2021 8:08am
BAM

Peters if he’s not dead will be back in parliament in 2023.
First speech, boom hits every hot button issue that’s pissing people off, unlike National that man knows how it politic.

Christ, I just can’t get past how useless National is as a political party and that I used to vote for them????
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June 21, 2021 8:10am
- nathie
  
  NZF will only be in the running if they can find financial backers.
  
  So easier said than done, however at the rate that the Labour Party are supporting “radical change” to NZ as they way we know it (and recklessly spending $billions here there and everywhere, unless one is a nurse or relies on Pharmac it seems) then I would not be surprised if NZF sees a lot of financial donations coming their way.
  
  In summary, it’s all on you Cindy and Robbo, as to how far you push things in which the unintended consequences resulting may cause them electoral damage – oh dear, how sad!
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:08am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  This is all a result of enemedia interference – they won’t report anything National says without their leftie editorial spin (ie only report what suits the leftie narratives they are trying to push), and of course they love the conflict that Peter’s engenders so grant him exposure they will not give to Act or National.
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:54am
- Bob
  
  BAM! perhaps if you were to pay attention to national Party Newsletters, which you can get by becoming a member of the NP you would know what the Party is doing; it certainly isn’t being ‘useless’.
  Relying on the MSM for anything relating to NP activities IS USELESS!… it is the media’s agenda to re-elect a Communist government.
  
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  June 21, 2021 11:46am
  - BAM
    
    That’s pathetic, you have to become a member of National to find out what National is doing?
    
    FFS, newsletters? have National not heard of social media?, Christ, no wonder everyone considers them a joke.
    
    Look, if National doesn’t have the skill and ability to get around the MSM they may as well call it a day.
    
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    June 21, 2021 2:19pm
  - curry4me
    
    Bob: I get their e.mails, and I’m not a member. They should put all presss releases on YouTube, and BitChute. Also Twit-ter. Use that to cuse ‘outrage’; then double down.
    
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    June 21, 2021 6:37pm
- Unity
  
  Don’t be too quick to lambast National, BAM. It would pay to remember the bias of the media towards the Left, regardless of how the Editor tries to say it isn’t there. So, National are having a hard time getting any visible traction because of this. Anything the media reports on National is negativity. My feeling is that much is going on behind the scenes and we are not privy to it because of this biased media.
  
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  June 21, 2021 4:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  National have been infiltrated by Socialists/ Marxists. Soon they will be left of Labour and the Greens
  
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  June 21, 2021 5:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

National MP Harete Hipango discusses the hit job that the media did on her in this interveiw.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2018800185/matangireira-harete-hipango
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June 21, 2021 8:11am
- peterwn
  
  What is of more concern is word has got out (via Newsroom) that a few National MP’s have allegedly expressed their concern about Harete’s return to Parliament (or it could be keyboard interviewing). She returns to Parliament by operation of electoral law (unless she chooses to ‘pass’) and there is nothing that anyone else can do about it. The Party and its leadership obviously had confidence in her in the lead-up to the last election and nothing would have changed in the meantime.
  If these National MP’s had expressed concern then:
  1. Had they realised that Harete’s return was a virtual fait accompli, they would not have wasted time thinking about it.
  2. They seemed to have forgotten that the overarching objective for a political party is to get into power and if in power then stay in power.
  3. They should remember the Royal Navy WW2 posters – ‘Loose Talk Sinks Ships’. I think this is exactly what is happening – loose talk is sinking National’s 2023 election prospects. Seems Jacinda can look forward to winning two more elections.
  
  It seems that Labour and Green MP’s are better organised and disciplined than this.
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:49am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Loose talk, or media speculation, about National members imputed disloyalty? That’s a favourite tactic.
    Jacinda rules her lot with a sweet sickly smile and money for all. National select for integrity and the overall quality of the members and experience is higher.
    Sometimes doing nothing is wiser than walking over no mans land.
    
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    June 21, 2021 9:54am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      National select for integrity
      
      Jami-Lee Ross, Hamish Walker, Jake Bezzant, and Andrew Falloon would like a word with you.
      
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      June 21, 2021 10:46am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Cinder’s casualties are rewarded for silence.
        
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        June 21, 2021 2:27pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I tried to have a word with Bezzant, 3 emails and 3 phone calls. Nothing, so fuck him
        
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        June 21, 2021 5:56pm
    - Swifty
      
      He’s got you there Kev.
      
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      June 21, 2021 11:07am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        I’ve got a bagful of tricks left still.
        
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        June 21, 2021 2:37pm
    - peterwn
      
      This is what I am wondering. DPF expressed concern with the MPs in his Patreon posting of 16 June “How Long do National MPs want to spend in Opposition?”.
      
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      June 21, 2021 12:49pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        As long as it takes. If Cinders is unbudgeable no one gains by breaking their head on a rock. However Cinders is undoing her charm bit by bit. A compliant well paid media are not helpful either.
        It needs the women to turn from being fed up with grocery price rises and other issues like lack of housing and basic inability to manage. I expect that’s not far away. The law is being brutally disrespected too.
        
        It may be smart to knock National as the media do relentlessly but someone with ability has to pick up the pieces. It was Muldoon who inherited the previous Labour wage/price spiral and it was a terrible job to fix. Thankfully he did what most countries in that position fail to achieve.
        
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        June 21, 2021 2:36pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Except, there is ZERO evidence that anyone actually spoke to the media about this. The fact that they tried to hit Judith over it as well just seems like a made up hit job.
    
    And the idiots who actually trust the media will eat it up.
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:17am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      I was wondering that too. Has the msm ever had/published confidential, heart-to-heart chats with Labour and Green MPs over what they really think about all of their colleagues…?
      
      (They seem quite a large team for everyone to love each other unconditionally)
      
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      June 21, 2021 10:53am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        A brave question to ask.
        
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        June 21, 2021 2:38pm
  - Bob
    
    peterwn…
    the first rule of warfare is…….
    
    keep your ammunition dry.
    We are two years away from any chance of having the MSM reporting Party Policies; then we could be into the election cycle for 2023; if we are permitted to have an election, remember Adern’s propensity for ‘CAPTAINS CALLS
    
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    June 21, 2021 11:51am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I thought the poster was “Loose Lips sinks ships” ? Nice and alliterative.
    
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    June 21, 2021 2:27pm
cmm

Winston Peters says a handbrake (NZF) is needed in a very dangerous vehicle (Labour).

Excuse me Winston, but who’s the dickhead that took the dangerous Labour vehicle off the scrap heap, towed it to the top of the hill and gave it a push-off?

Without Winston, the wrecked Labour policy machine would never have been a problem.

Lying bastard!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/winston-peters-first-interview-since-election-defeat-hell-lead-nz-first-if-party-wants-him/V37PX5OY4MCKE5NUJFZBOMASUY/
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June 21, 2021 8:12am
- Swifty
  
  Exactly cmm. He is the disease, not the doctor.
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:19am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  You should be grateful CMM, at least there has been a steady Government that doesn’t leak and infight over leadership. 4 years down the track and the Nats are still not sure which way is up.
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:31am
  - cmm
    
    We’d have had Bill English.
    
    While Key might have been the front man in National during the GFC and Chch EQ, it was really English behind the scenes that was providing the firm hand on the tiller that took us through those storms.
    
    I’d rather have had English running the show through this CV19 fiasco. They’d have done a way better job and would not have gone headless-chook running up massive debt for future generations.
    
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    June 21, 2021 8:50am
    - nathie
      
      And Steven Joyce fixing and delivering on projects and infrastructure etc.
      
      NZ would have had a better post-Covid response too (eg better handling of the critical (and seasonal) workers and their families issue, keeping NZ working and exporting better).
      
      Ironically if NZF had gone with National in 2017 they would still have been in power post 2020 election i.e. now (eg due to voters keeping whomever was in power at the time, in power still as per ScoMo and the UK etc)!
      
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      June 21, 2021 9:17am
      - Bob
        
        and we as a country would probably have been able to afford the funding for the America’s Cup, and all the international exposure and funds that brings.
        
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        June 21, 2021 11:53am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      I agree about Bill English but the public never warmed to him. He was a man before his time. Labour in true Key form having taken Bill’s best ideas.
      
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      June 21, 2021 10:05am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Bill beat Jacinsa for the popular vote in 2017, so your comment about the public not warming to Bill, is merely Labour spin revisionism and nothing more.
        
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        June 21, 2021 10:30am
      - cmm
        
        We should really dispense with this concept of political parties, or individual politicians, owning ideas.
        
        If the politicians were paid while developing the ideas, then the ideas belong to US – the taxpayers.
        
        They are not Bill’s, John’s or Jax’s ideas.
        They are not National or Labour’s ideas.
        
        They are OUR ideas.
        
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        June 21, 2021 3:41pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    “…a steady Government that doesn’t leak and infight over leadership.”
    
    So you would be a fan of Castro then?
    
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    June 21, 2021 8:56am
- Frank the tank
  
  Hosking made a fair point this morning that that was 2017 and in 2020 over half the population re-elected the Blairite, Grunter, Squealer, The Barcode wombat, Peewee Wood, Silver Fox & co.
  
  He has a point. The 2017 argument in 2021 is looking salty. That said, if NZF get over 5% it’s essentially a vote for Labour. That fact hasn’t changed.
  
  Interestingly he sounded a bit like the old coot this morning where he appeared to be struggling to place words into a coherent sentence therefore I’d be surprised if he was the force he has been in the past.
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:32am
  - MCos
    
    ‘if NZF get over 5%’
    
    Not going to happen and if it did happen nobody would form a government with his sorry arse again.
    
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    June 21, 2021 9:07am
    - Frank the tank
      
      [Deleted – sort out your gutter language. Mod.]
      
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      June 21, 2021 9:17am
    - Nickc2
      
      Many mouthed like sentiments in 2017 but look what happened. Labour couldn’t help themselves. I also think National may have eaten some dead rats if he had made them an offer.
      Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not a Winston 1st supporter but in hindsight, I’m pleased he was able to maintain a hand bake on some of Labour’s more stupid anti-democracy ideas.
      
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      June 21, 2021 10:57am
    - cmm
      
      MCos, let me fix that for you:
      
      ” nobody with any principles would form a government with his sorry arse again.”
      
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      June 21, 2021 3:43pm
  - Flossie
    
    ” the Blairite, Grunter, Squealer, The Barcode wombat, Peewee Wood, Silver Fox & co”
    What childish silly nick names are these? If you want to make political points then use adult language. It’s no better than Trump’s “crooked Hilary” or “Sleepy Joe” etc.
    
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    June 21, 2021 11:06am
    - Bob
      
      Flossie.. these are very appropriate nicknames for a “childish silly government”
      
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      June 21, 2021 11:56am
    - Frank the tank
      
      It’s called humor – you should try it sometime. If you don’t like the humor then don’t get your knickers in a twist.
      
      I hate these idiots that form this government and it is my god-damn right in a democracy to belittle them and have nicknames should I wish to.
      
      Don’t worry there are laws coming that should suit you down to the ground……
      
      [But you should remember that you are commenting on a privately owned blog at the pleasure of the owner, and abide by the guidelines, including not calling people names which go against those guidelines – Mod]
      
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      June 21, 2021 4:10pm
  - lifesgood
    
    BUT the point Hosking didn’t make was that the 2020 election was a COVID election won because the government had terrified the living daylights out of the sheeple.
    
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    June 21, 2021 11:56am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Rubbish!
      
      That is what is called a right-wing trope. That is how people like you explain “the unexplainable”.
      
      Pathetic.
      
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      June 21, 2021 1:41pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Winston’s allowed to recant. His built in sensibility is still apparently in reasonable form. Perhaps the time out has helped his recovery. We all have our quirks but don’t put down someone who is actually speaking soundly at present.
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:35am
  - hullkiwi
    
    The toxic gnome doesn’t recant. If he did, he would apologise for 2017 -20 and the lies that eminated from his mouth. He hasn’t apologised, so any recasting is of little merit.
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:34am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      He wasn’t well then. I was surprised he actually stood. How well is he now? I don’t know but we are hearing something sensible from him opposition to the govt.
      An ally for a day is better than none at all. If Winston beefs up his case he may cause mayhem to Cinders.
      
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      June 21, 2021 2:44pm
- Paulus
  
  Never mind what Winston thinks or does as the paid for media have been told to shut him down quickly and this is happening already.
  Only Mike Hosking will do so anyway as he is similarly persona non grata.
  Will be worth watching for a laugh !
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:38am
  - MCos
    
    Mike Hosking is as much part of the allegedly ‘paid for media’ as any radio personality working for MediaWorks NZ, who own the Newstalk ZB, NZ Herald and a plethora of other outlets.
    He is a perennial critic of this particular government, of course, but NZME haven’t given him the heave ho.
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:09am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Mike Hosking and a few others are allowed to stay to provide a fig leaf for the communist takeover of NZ media…
      
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      June 21, 2021 10:48am
      - lifesgood
        
        Mike Hosking is allowed to stay because he is the most popular presenter on New Zealand radio bar none. Why would they get rid of him and shoot themselves in the foot?
        
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        June 21, 2021 11:58am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        You admit a commie takeover?
        
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        June 21, 2021 2:45pm
      - cmm
        
        Kev: I suspect that was mma’s attempt at satire/whatever.
        
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        June 21, 2021 3:45pm
    - Nickc2
      
      NZME is a profit-making outfit no matter how much Govt money finds its way into their coffers. Hosking is probably a private contractor and is their greatest asset IMO. Without him and the advertisers he brings, there would be a marked drop in financial return for NZME and their shareholders.
      
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      June 21, 2021 10:48am
      - MCos
        
        Apart from RNZ they’re all in it to make a profit.
        Doesn’t stop them sticking their hand out for the taxpayers money.
        They always have since the non political NZ On Air was conjured up to prop up local content, which is the conduit for the addition govt largesse, I believe.
        
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        June 21, 2021 11:49am
- ronsegal
  
  Sure Wii4Winston provided the initial push, then the populous carried on shoving all by themselves to take another lap around loonyville.
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:10am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Welcome the handbrake.
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:54am
Maggy Wassilieff

Local MP Kiri Allan looking good after 9 weeks of Cancer treatment

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/06/kiri-allan-visits-flood-ravaged-east-cape-after-over-100mm-of-rain-falls-in-the-area.html
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June 21, 2021 8:20am
- sooty
  
  Just need cindy to turn up now with a pkt of mellowpuffs!
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:26am
  - Happychappy
    
    sooty : I wouldn’t wish cancer on any and think that Kiri Allan is very brave to resume her job as a MP and continue to work for her constituents.
    
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    June 21, 2021 9:40am
    - igm
      
      Big contrast to that loser Clark the Cyclist from Dunedin.
      
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      June 21, 2021 3:53pm
  - Bob
    
    No such chance, the EV charging points have been destroyed, and she would never take a petrol vehicle to a public visit.
    
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    June 21, 2021 11:58am
Bobba Fret

I see Mike King is having another go at our PM in the NZ Herald this morning.
“In a post on Facebook yesterday, King said he was sorry that he missed her at Parliament this week when he returned the medal, “but I understand with Field Days, selling EVs and cycle bridges to New Zealanders you had a very busy week”.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/dear-prime-minister-the-work-hasnt-even-started-mike-king/2BRNFHOTB4NELPT6F5Q2E7OBZI/
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June 21, 2021 8:23am
Simon

Ivermectin.

UK-based Meta Analysis Peer Reviewed & Published Suggests Ivermectin A Key Public Health Weapon in the War Against COVID-19

https://trialsitenews.com/uk-based-meta-analysis-peer-reviewed-published-suggests-ivermectin-a-key-public-health-weapon-in-the-war-against-covid-19/

Science. Suck it up zero covid nut jobs.
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June 21, 2021 8:25am
- Matt Long
  
  Facebook has been active in suppressing this information, it makes the company responsible for how many deaths?
  
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  June 21, 2021 12:48pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    And not just FB, YouTube and Twitter have done the same. They and the “establishment” are indeed absolutely guilty of murdering millions. Crime of the century, a form of genocide, and all for politics.
    
    In order to maximise the impact of the “pandemic” any useful treatment had to be suppressed; especially if Trump had mentioned it.
    
    It must be about time to put up a summary of what we have learned from 2020 and the response to Covid. Like we now know that the actual death rate is maybe a bit worse than a bad flu year, and NOT ten times that as originally predicted. It is however far more age dependent than flu, being worse for the elderly, but apparently less dangerous for the young.
    
    We also know that lockdowns, social isolation, and masks are pointless virtue signalling; having no measurable impact on the spread but very seriously impacting the economy and mental health. We also know that there are very effective prophylactic treatments (such as Ivermectin, HCQ, in combination with zinc, Vit D, and specific antibiotics and anti-clotting agents). Plus we also have belatedly accepted what many were saying right at the start- this virus is almost certainly a lab released sample that had been subject to “Gain of Function” research that made it as virulent as it was; and that the research to do that was funded by the US NIH as well as by grants from Google (sorry, Alphabet) and others. Which makes the actions of those who sought to suppress the evidence for a lab origin initially.
    
    And we also know that the “Pandemic” was weaponised by many to gain political power, and that worked specially well in the USA.
    
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    June 21, 2021 2:42pm
Frank the tank

If the tornado ripped through Browns Bay or Howick would there have been the same outcry via the media and would ‘Goof’ be on the ground?
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June 21, 2021 8:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Goof would be on Brown’s Bay Beach with a chrome shovel and asking for instructions before the cameras got turned on
  
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  June 21, 2021 6:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Radio NZ using Maori Language to push a left-wing agenda

Jones declined to fully endorse the attack on the word “Aotearoa” but said he had a big problem with the Climate Change Commission pushing “socialism” and RNZ using te reo to push a progressive agenda instead.

“I think the way in which our language has been stretched hides an absence of deep thinking. And I’m arguably one of the best speakers in the country,” Jones said.

“I actually think that Radio New Zealand is possessed of an ideology that only pushes the left wing of New Zealand politics, and they use our language, as if it’s only designed to advance progressive agendas.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300337617/winston-peters-attacks-labour-cancel-culture-and-te-reo-usage-in-comeback-speech
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June 21, 2021 8:26am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Jones in full Maori Orator mode is a delight to listen too. I have heard some very moving speeches by him.
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:37am
  - fernglas
    
    Just as well he can speak one language properly
    
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    June 21, 2021 8:55am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Jones sometimes goes cultural Maui, prankster mode. It’s common throughout the Pacific.
      Maori in high places frequently do it: if you can put something over on some else for your advantage, you score. Us Pakeha frequently don’t realise that we are being had. We are not tuned to hearing “yes” when someone intends to ignore it.
      
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      June 21, 2021 10:02am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Oh, dear, Kev. I’ve said it before, and I say it again now — you’re a man out of your time.
        
        The word ‘Us’ was totally superfluous. What on earth were you thinking of?
        
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        June 21, 2021 11:08am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        “Us Pakeha” is a class identifier with me included. Unless you are Maori you are included too. Maori separate the whole NZ population into a binary Maori and non-Maori i.e. Pakeha. That split applies throughout Polynesia. Not racist, just the way the people are.
        
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        June 21, 2021 2:53pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Keep digging, Kev.
        
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        June 21, 2021 3:34pm
- G152
  
  It’s all the fake news outlets that are pushing the Maori language thing.
  I’m waiting for the other accepted language to gain a spot on radio
  
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  June 21, 2021 8:55am
  - hullkiwi
    
    What sign language? They’ll need to kick-start Karen Hay’s Radio with Pictures.
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:39am
- Yvette
  
  Winston – … in 2019 a report called ‘He Puapua’ came to Government but was never shown to one NZ First Cabinet Minister. This report was deliberately suppressed.
  In short, this report is a recipe for Maori separatism, they knew it and that’s why they suppressed it till after the election in the full knowledge that NZ First is for one flag, one country, one law. It was a gesture of ingratitude and bad faith.”
  
  And therein is evidence of the lack of honesty, integrity and transparency of Ardern and Labour.
  Reflecting “He Puapua” and the Crown’s Strategy for Māori Language Revitalisation 2019–2023, documents like the Tax Working Group, and Climate Change Commission now highlight Te Ao Maori, or Maori world view, and four words are prominent – waiora, manaakitanga, whanaungatanga, and kaitiakitanga.
  
  But in the behaviour toward New Zealand First, each of these “revitalised” values is violated – waiora (wellbeing), manaakitanga (care and respect), kaitiakitanga (stewardship/guardianship), whanaungatanga (relationships and connectedness)
  
  See? – they are as fucking meaningless to Labour in regard to New Zealand First, as they are to tax or climate change.
  
  So much for rather insidious and disingenuous cultural appropriation
  
  As well Labour in this incident in several ways breached the Coalition Agreement between New Zealand Labour Party and New Zealand First
  
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  reference –
  4. As part of this work, [the Tax Working Group] has begun to develop a policy framework that would bring together concepts from Te Ao Māori, the four capitals of the Living Standards Framework, and principles of tax policy design.
  5. This framework – He Ara Waiora – draws upon the concepts of waiora (wellbeing), manaakitanga (care and respect), kaitiakitanga (stewardship/guardianship), whanaungatanga (relationships and connectedness) and ōhanga (prosperity).
  6. The Group’s work on He Ara Waiora appears to have resonated with many people. In light of this feedback, discussions have been initiated with the Treasury about how He Ara Waiora could inform the ongoing evolution of the Living Standards Framework. – https://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10092/17672/TRN 2019 Sawyer Frameworks – full paper.pdf?sequence=2 page 19
  
  • The Tax Working Group’s call for public submissions asked: “How could tikanga Māori (in particular manaakitanga, whanaungatanga, and kaitiakitanga) help create a more future-focussed tax system?” – https://taxworkinggroup.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2018-09/twg-bg-3986058-tikanga-framework.pdf
  
  Climate Change Commission Report – open it on almost any page
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:09am
  - Nickc2
    
    Thanks Yvette. Why was this not published by our MSM? Answer, because it didn’t suit their MO and that of their paymaster (the NZ Govt). Effin deceitful bastards.
    
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    June 21, 2021 9:44am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Also underneath this is a revival of Maori spirits in opposition to God known to our forefathers and present day Christians.
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:06am
- curry4me
  
  Maggy Wassilieff: Says the man whose party gave us a socialist government.
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:17am
Joe Hunt

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
“BRING BACK WINNIE”
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June 21, 2021 8:30am
- ABS4EVA
  
  GET RID OF JACINDA
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:49am
Happychappy

Can anyone who has a career in advertising or works in the industry could tell us approximately the cost of one of the ads that is running on our nation’s tv networks likely to cost. Last night between 8.30pm and 11pmit appeared four times and if that happens on all tv stations the cost to taxpayers must be massive.
So have they a separate account or is it a covd -19 slush fund being used by our Fiance Minister.
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June 21, 2021 8:30am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I think Grant was Ted’s Fiance Minister.
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:42am
  - oldfella
    
    Tauhei, Grant is engaged to a teddy bear? Wow, stuffed, hold the front page? 😉
    
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    June 21, 2021 12:44pm
- Happychappy
  
  Are the ads being run constantly everyday 7days a week paying the media more than the $50 million than they promised to help them out.
  They have been running constantly several times a day for the last 15 months so the media must be achieving a huge profit on this Government.
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:50am
- MCos
  
  Ring up and ask.
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:16am
Wired-one

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/06/exclusive-newshub-reid-research-poll-shows-majority-of-new-zealanders-don-t-want-winston-peters-to-return-to-politics.html

Tova does understand math right? It doesnt matter if 95% of kiwi voters dont want Winston back. If 5% vote for him, he’s in.
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June 21, 2021 8:37am
Frank the tank

President Ron?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/road-to-white-house-desantis-tops-early-2024-straw-poll
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June 21, 2021 8:37am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Yeah he looks strong. Sharp, pragmatic, erudite and very effective in his governorship of Florida through Covid (a real standout performance amongst all states). A far better option than Trump
  
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  June 21, 2021 11:01am
- oldfella
  
  Interesting. Yes, DeSantis is a standout option. And no women in the top 5?
  I suspect Trump will be the party’s power broker next election and not seek the job for himself.
  
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  June 21, 2021 12:47pm
  - oldfella
    
    Apparently, dreaming of overturning an election is a Trump delusion, according to the MSM.
    Not quite how they described it when Hillary was still hoping to be crowned the winner.
    But it’s different when the left do it.
    https://twitter.com/SethBTillman/status/1406665439288176644
    
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    June 21, 2021 1:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Candace Owens, but then maybe in 2028
  
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  June 21, 2021 6:10pm
Maggie Pie

ZB Breakfast @7.10am

When asked why he went with Labor, Winnie tells Mike Hosking –

“National are a party of sex maniacs…..what option did I have?”

LOL!!
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June 21, 2021 8:41am
- Nickc2
  
  I thought he went with the Labour Party because THEY were sex maniacs. Tell me again what all those lumps under Cindy’s carpet represent.
  PS: Didn’t JLR attempt to join Winston 1st’s Party?
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:52am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Shane Jones would have been pushing to go with National if that were the case.
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:21am
nathie

Hopefully the good folk of Papatoetoe who are still without electricity following Saturday’s tornado have their power restored today.

Makes one think though if residents were relying on EV cars (and were unable to recharge them) then they might have had a wee bit of difficulty leaving/driving off to buy tarpaulins or other items for quick repairs, let alone buying food or take-outs.

What does the Prime Minister say about this? No doubt tilted frowny face and look at this picture of a birthday cake instead, perhaps?
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June 21, 2021 8:42am
- peterwn
  
  Many former Power Boards and MED’s (elected by residents) had policies to place urban area power lines underground. Some Council MED’s such as Napier and Nelson pretty well achieved that objective and others such as the former Hutt Valley Energy Board were making good progress until electricity reforms stopped work in its tracks (regulatory agencies will not allow their successors to make a return on undergrounding investment).
  Unfortunately events such as this would happen so infrequently that they would have little economic influence on undergrounding decisions.
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:06am
- MCos
  
  If a tornado has wrecked your car, whatever it’s propulsion system, at least your humble and much maligned push bike will get you out of Dodge.
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:24am
  - Tall Man
    
    Assuming the tornado hasn’t destroyed the bridge.
    
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    June 21, 2021 12:04pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Nope. The push bike is completely munted.
    
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    June 21, 2021 12:52pm
Brian McDonald

Kyle Jamieson becomes quickest test bowler to reach 40 wickets since the 1840s, now on 44 with his 5 wicket bag overnight.
The Aussie captain’s rubbishing of NZ chances before the test was a tonic.
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June 21, 2021 8:47am
- amospicton
  
  The first test was in 1877 Brian…..
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:03am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Yes, sorry. 4am when that news broke. So in test history then, even better.
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:11am
Sacha

Peters is a silly little old man and his tired old smart aleck ripostes are getting tiresome. We have heard them all before, and don’t need endless re-runs.
He is feeling rejuvenated after a few months R&R, but who can forget how he looked during the last session of parliament 2020? Sick – and tired.
And do we need the blowhard Prince of the Provinces back in the public eye?
I don’t think so – we have enough stupidity in Parliament as it is.
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June 21, 2021 9:01am
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  They seem to have some of the right policies. They just need new personnel.
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:38am
  - MCos
    
    Which policies are they?
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:27am
    - Fidel Cashflow
      
      The anti-Maori sovereignty ones, the anti-New Zealand-as-“Aotearoa”ones, the anti-feebate ones, the anti-harbour bridge cycleway ones, and to directly quote him, the anti-“where anyone who asks legitimate questions is belittled as a colonialist, a racist, a bigot, a chauvinist, or worse still, not new wokage” ones.
      
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      June 21, 2021 10:53am
      - Tall Man
        
        Plus restricting low skilled immigration and refugees until as a country we can cope with resorces and infrastructure.
        
        With the way the current numpties are going I would guesstimate that to be in about 50 years time.
        
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        June 21, 2021 12:00pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The enemy of your enemy is your friend.
  Peters had a real health problem, now he has recovered in part, at least.
  Enjoy his shafting Ardern’s govt–he is allowed to change his mind for the betterment of NZ. His residual faults may be irrelevant.
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:12am
  - curry4me
    
    KevO’Brien: NZ Worst has only been about the betterment of one person. Not NZ.
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:22am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Maybe but even a temporary ally may be a help. Winston has reach.
      
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      June 21, 2021 2:55pm
  - Tall Man
    
    What he says today bears no relation to what he will do tomorrow.
    
    Remember, “capitalism is dead” ……..
    
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    June 21, 2021 11:58am
    - curry4me
      
      Tall Man: What he says on any given day is what he thinks will sell best; or divert attention away from something awkward. Black is white, or vice versa.
      
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      June 21, 2021 6:48pm
  - oldfella
    
    Kev, anyone know what that health problem was?
    
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    June 21, 2021 12:50pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      He may have had a drinking problem. Sloshed in the House from time to time? I thought he was showing signs of alcoholic dementia.
      
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      June 21, 2021 2:59pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION….

Ever wondered why 99.9% of private ‘Liquor Stores’ in Auckland all seem to be owned by Indians?
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June 21, 2021 9:08am
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  They don’t believe in the myth of diversity?
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:40am
- BAM
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Ever wondered why the moderators on Kiwiblog let this poster continuously post racist drivel?
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:44am
  - Fidel Cashflow
    
    How is that racist?
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:03am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Should the 99% of us who aren’t offended by everything, stop catering to the 1% who are?
    
    Just saying.
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:20am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    BTW ….the ‘uptick’ is from me BAM.
    
    Anyone calling themself after a can of Oven Spray gets my vote!
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:59am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  In our town the Injuns run three of the four liquor stores. Would you call me racist that I insist on patronising the fourth store, run by a Maori.
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:45am
  - Fidel Cashflow
    
    I wouldn’t. I would call that exercising your free choice (i.e. your discrimination), which is something that we all do whenever we are confronted with multiple options. I couldn’t care less.
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:02am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Cool if I can do the same with “Pakeha” run establishments without being called RACIST.
    
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    June 21, 2021 11:03am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Injuns”?
    
    Is that the same as labelling people sooties?
    
    Many of the “Indian” dairy owners that I know where actually born in Fiji and add significantly to their local communities as they are so fucking grateful to be living here rather than Fiji.
    
    Maybe these guys will inspire you …. or maybe nott.
    
    https://thecricketlounge.com/2021/02/6-indian-origin-players-who-have-represented-new-zealand-in-international-cricket/
    
    Notice 2 of the “Indian origin” players were actually born in New Zealand.
    
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    June 21, 2021 11:50am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Spot-on! Couldn’t have put it better myself, Tall Man.
      
      The wonderful Indian people who operate my, literally, corner dairy, are simply delightful.
      
      They’ve been there for many years, and, I hope, for many years to come — if that is what they want.
      
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      June 21, 2021 2:36pm
- fernglas
  
  Um, let’s see. Because they are the only ones prepared to put up with the shitty hours and the constant threat of abuse, violence and robberies from drunken New Zealanders?
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:46am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Indians in NZ are exemplary. They are hard working seeking to establish themselves and their families.
    A common way has been to buy a dairy lease, the family work to pay it off, and after that re-sell when they have a capital sum for their efforts.
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:17am
    - Jack5
      
      Dairies are a dodge to get into NZ on immigration “business” paths.
      
      Without immigrants using them for entry, there would be bugger all dairies left in NZ.
      
      They are expensive and illogical compared with supermarkets.
      
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      June 21, 2021 10:50am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        This practice goes back many years, before immigration issues.
        Lump sums were demanded for the lease of certain businesses and those could be financed. Paying that off out profits and saving hard provided a handsome sum for the future.
        
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        June 21, 2021 3:05pm
      - Jack5
        
        New Zealand education would have been flying now if, instead of dairy and booze shop owners, these Indians migrants had been some of India’s great maths teachers.
        
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        June 21, 2021 5:29pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Thanks for confirming immigrants are here for their benefit, not ours. How does NZ benefit from foreigner-owned dairies that employ only family or relatives and not Kiwis? I’m talking recent arrivals. The absolute minimum requirement should be at least half the staff be NZ nationals. But let me guess. Once they have acquired their NZ passports, they are “Kiwis” too? Even though they will discriminate racially and ethnically in favour of their own kind much more than the regular Kiwi who believes in giving everyone a fair go?
      
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      June 21, 2021 11:11am
      - Tall Man
        
        “the regular Kiwi who believes in giving everyone a fair go”
        
        They seem few and far between these days.
        
        Read the comment by “fernglass” above. Seems bloody accurate to me.
        
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        June 21, 2021 11:52am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Went to a little BYO Asian restaurant in Grey Lynn last night.
    We stopped off at the nearest Wine Shop to buy a bottle of Pinot. Honestly, I was the only person in there and outnumbered 5-1 by serving staff.
    
    Felt a bit uncomfortable to be honest….felt they were all watching me like I might steal something.
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:34am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      They’ve probably had your type thieving in there before…
      
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      June 21, 2021 10:52am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        I was telling our friends about it when they arrived.
        Pretty much said the same thing! LOL
        
        Although one of them reckoned next time I should wear a bra 😀
        
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        June 21, 2021 11:43am
      - SB2
        
        Did your bra burning back in the late 1960s?
        
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        June 21, 2021 11:57am
    - Tall Man
      
      Maybe, unlike most other shops, they were trying to provide good service and anticipate your needs.
      
      Maybe they need high staff numbers to provide the security they need to operate when regularly confronted by arrogant, agressive, racist and drunk customers. A daily occurrence I have been led to believe.
      
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      June 21, 2021 11:55am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Just for the record – I have NEVER been drunk or aggressive in my life.
        
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        June 21, 2021 12:36pm
      - Tall Man
        
        So far Maggie, there’s always tomorrow 😉
        
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        June 21, 2021 4:01pm
    - MCos
      
      Pro tip
      
      You should have said something like
      ‘Kohli looks good for a century’
      
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      June 21, 2021 12:32pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yep, liquor and fuel outlets. What could possibly go wrong? Oh, the answer to my own question: Chloe Swarbrick could sway her legalised drug outlets in the direction of Service Stations and Liquor Outlets.
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:03am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie…. Cash business.
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:15am
  - Tall Man
    
    And bloody hard work.
    
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    June 21, 2021 11:56am
- SB2
  
  [Deleted – a marginal topic not helped by you adding racist terms. Mod.]
  
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  June 21, 2021 11:45am
artemisia

Item this morning on Mike Hosking’s breakfast session about school start times and pros and cons of changing the 9 to 3 usual standard.

Some NZ schools have already set later starts especially for older students. Be good to hear feedback.

There is actual science about this and later starts have been shown to have dramatic effects on (US) SAT scores. Not personally an expert apart from observing family, but there is a recent book by a sleep scientist that includes a fair bit of detail about properly run experiments on school start times and the results.

Matthew Walker – Why We Sleep.

Well worth educators taking a look at the relevant chapter, and guaranteed anyone who even dips into this book will never look at their bed the same way again.
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June 21, 2021 9:09am
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  They could go to bed earlier?
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:40am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Teens? No way.
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:19am
- BeaB
  
  This is not new and comes up frequently.
  Much of the research was done in the US where many schools started much earlier than ours, meaning early wakeups for kids for their early starts. Changes made there were mainly to later starting times like 9am – in fact what we have now.
  NZ schools already open later than in many countries. 9am is not an early start.
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:41am
- NoFax
  
  You think schools are for the students? Not likely. Schools are first for the teachers and second cheap babysitting for the parents. There is no way the student is the customer. That’s why we should really privatize all schools.
  
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  June 21, 2021 1:45pm
Maggie Pie

Does the ‘Children’s Commissioner’ not stop to think he may be one of the reasons this country is fast becoming a free range asylum?

We need to hear from the ‘Police’ Commissioner….

https://twitter.com/NewshubPolitics/status/1406722159544717312
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June 21, 2021 9:41am
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  What we need to do is ask “what are teenagers doing that they are being placed in Police cells?.” We’ll never get the right answers unless we ask the right questions.
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:10am
  - MCos
    
    I’m guessing here, but I would suggest anti social behaviour.
    The point is they’ve been arrested for something serious enough to be detained in custody, but that particular environment is not suitable for teenagers for the reasons outlined in the article.
    Basically they are often too immature to cope.
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:43am
    - Fidel Cashflow
      
      While my question was obviously rhetorical, if these teens simply stopped their anti-social behaviour, the problem of keeping them in cells would evaporate, wouldn’t it.
      
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      June 21, 2021 10:58am
  - Tall Man
    
    I wonder how old brian mcdonald was when he killed Ronald Blythe?
    
    110 over 12 months so about 9 per month.
    
    Based on current crime stats I think that seems a very low number so most offenders under 20 are being released very quickly. I wonder if they commit more crimes after being released ….. Surely not 😉
    
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    June 21, 2021 11:42am
Inandout

Judith is on Williams Show and must feel she needs to lift her game now Winston is saying things she should be saying. If he achieves nothing else he will at least have got National off the couch.
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June 21, 2021 9:52am
- KevO'Brien
  
  National haven’t been sleeping. Don’t you sense the self destruction occurring to Labour? They keep on showing their inability to do anything but talk.
  The people are moving, away.
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:22am
  - GJM
    
    If this is happening, it is not due to National’s doing. They seem to be in Parliment to eat their lunch at Bellamys. Like Labour, but Blue.
    It is Act, in particular the Leader of the Opposition, David Seymour that is pointing out the many faults with the Ardern Regime.
    I do acknowledge it is very hard to get the news out with a state owned and controlled media.
    They need to have a plan of within the first 100 days, completely gut the media who will never support them anyway. Put RNZ and TVNZ up for $1 reserve. It is a culture war, and the leftists are winning becuase they take it seriously. National are still asleep.
    
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    June 21, 2021 12:45pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Peters is chasing the befuddled geriatric vote (people who don’t remember what a colossally destructive impact he has had on NZ over 40 years), Judith is chasing the vapid swing voter, so she doesn’t have the luxury of saying sensible things that might turn them off.
  
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  June 21, 2021 11:08am
- artemisia
  
  Suggest it is a timing issue, along with making sure MPs and candidates are not going rogue (again). There will be a well considered point when a series of big announcements starts rolling out. But it is not yet. IMO.
  
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  June 21, 2021 11:36am
Tauhei Notts

Fernglas nailed it at 8.07 a.m. when he commented upon what a sorry state our sad country is in if it takes Winston to fix it.
This is because the scourge of racism.
Winston is the only politician that can readily criticise the idiocy of Ihumatao, He Puapua, the country’s new name, radio reporters misguidedly telling their listeners to “call Katrina Batten (or who ever) a ho” and a string of other sick causes, because if anybody other than Winston criticises that silliness they are deemed to be a racist. And, Maori cannot be deemed to be racist.
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June 21, 2021 9:52am
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  If only the National Party had a Maori leader …
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:12am
  - Inandout
    
    FC, I believe Simon had a fair sprinkling of Maori.
    
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    June 21, 2021 10:49am
    - Fidel Cashflow
      
      Indeed. That is my point.
      
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      June 21, 2021 10:58am
    - Cobolt24
      
      Just enough to look Maori, not enough to be shielded from the racist card.
      
      Replying to Fidel Cashflow 10:12am comment:
      The media were beating Simon up all the time, then when he’s gone they complain again to beat up National just about diversity (lefty identity politics) issues!
      
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      June 21, 2021 12:47pm
  - kowtow
    
    Even better :
    
    and a female Maori deputy .
    
    But a bunch of ‘wokesters” knew better .
    
    Oh dear.
    
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    June 21, 2021 11:15am
    - Nukuleka
      
      Thanks Todd and Nikki.
      
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      June 21, 2021 12:12pm
- lifesgood
  
  A couple of years ago I had American visitors. They heard that “Call Katrina Batten a ho” on my car radio and were absolutely gob smacked. They couldn’t believe our national broadcaster would call one of their newsreaders a prostitute.
  
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  June 21, 2021 12:07pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Pidgin Maori strikes again.
    
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    June 21, 2021 3:08pm
  - Okahu
    
    Santa wouldn’t be caught without 3 ho’s! Aren’t we clever!
    
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    June 21, 2021 9:03pm
Fletch

I happened to be in the Warehouse yesterday and had a close look at these new fidget toys the kids are going mad for. I just don’t understand it. It’s a rubber thing with bubbles embedded in it (like little half spheres). You can push the bubble so that it reverses and sticks out the other side. That’s it??

https://ghulp.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/push-pop-bubble-sensory-fidget-toy.jpg

I know we had chatter rings, and the fidget spinners, but they made a little more sense. The bubble things makes no sense to me at all. Are kids really that easily amused? To be honest, popping bubble wrap would be more captivating.
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June 21, 2021 9:52am
- Flossie
  
  Did you maybe have a yoyo when you were a kid Fletch?
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:58am
- hullkiwi
  
  Fletch, that is but one example of what amuses modern day “yuff”. What does my head in are the so-called “influencers” of the Internet on Instagram, YouTube and Facebook. I am sure we are not the only ones do our heads in about the interests of today’s 5 to 25 year old. Because if what I see and hear is common, Jacinda’s stupidity is, but just a taster of what is to come.
  
  Or was Douglas Adams truly a philosopher?
  
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  June 21, 2021 11:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And under 25 VOTE!!!!
    
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    June 21, 2021 6:24pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @Fletch
  I know a young girl (aged about 11) – family friends.
  Last time they visited she brought with her quite a collection of the things you describe.
  I asked her what they were for.
  Now this girl is sensible and from a very caring family.
  She said kids (especially those with ADHD type conditions) use them to counter boredom, nervousness and anxiety. They are very popular – colourful and mesmerising.
  Like pacifiers babies have perhaps.
  
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  June 21, 2021 11:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    So why did she have them or is she adhd?
    
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    June 21, 2021 11:29am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I still love getting stuff delivered in plastic Bubble-Wrap.
  Sit there for hours.
  
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  June 21, 2021 11:50am
- MCos
  
  Nobody ‘just happens’ to be in the Warehouse.
  Did you think you were at Bunnings or something?
  
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  June 21, 2021 1:06pm
  - Fletch
    
    I hardly go there any more. Only used to go to check out the blu-rays and CDs, neither of which they sell any more. No physical media now.
    
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    June 21, 2021 1:53pm
- NoFax
  
  I believe these were originally designed for children with autism and other like matters. I suspect the manufacturer is merely trying to expand the demographic to sell more.
  
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  June 21, 2021 1:53pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4mFiU7Giu8

“Lying Flat” is Making Beijing Anxious.

Limited job opportunities and social resources make the competition for young people in modern China increasingly fierce. But there is a group of young people who think differently, they do not compete, will not get married, will not have a child, and will not buy a house. This is now popular among young people in China – the “lying flat” doctrine. [9:43 Not to be confused with ‘lying like a flatfish’. That’s up to the CCP government.]
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June 21, 2021 9:56am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XepkQ99cykg

Lab Leak Theory: Truth, Lies, & Science – Sekulow TV.

Dr. Anthony Fauci and many mainstream media outlets told the public that the COVID-19 virus was transmitted from bats to humans. Many scientists disagreed, President Trump – armed with the latest intelligence – disagreed, and many regular citizens had legitimate concerns over the “bat” narrative. They were all discredited, told they were spreading dangerous conspiracy theories, and even silenced by big tech. Now, Dr. Fauci and the mainstream media are admitting there is evidence pointing to a lab leak. [26:17]
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June 21, 2021 9:57am
ABS4EVA

[Deleted – drop the CAPS, and this comment belongs to yesterday’s post:

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/06/some_so-called_science_grants.html ]
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June 21, 2021 10:00am
Maggie Pie

Hazza&MeghzWatch.

UK twitter bestie was saying she just watched investigative journalist Tom Bower being interviewed by GMB’s Kate Garroway.

He told her…. “Meghan hadn’t been honest about Archie’s birth”. Kate shut him down very quickly and changed the subject.

Sounds like Tom’s upcoming book will shake the rafters!
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June 21, 2021 10:14am
- Inandout
  
  Oh Maggie, now the speculation begins.
  Was the baby’s birth held back or rushed, was the baby swapped, was she actually pregnant, was Harry the sperm donor?
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:54am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YUP – sooo many questions!
    
    There’s no doubt in my mind ‘Kate & Wills’ are in on it too.
    Had to be.
    
    Will post details as soon as book arrives.
    
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    June 21, 2021 11:55am
- SB2
  
  MP, nice one here of Tom apparently fiddling with his fly for sleaze mongers titillation
  
  https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/five-times-meghan-markle-biographer-23802302
  
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  June 21, 2021 11:53am
  - Swifty
    
    Speaking of sleazeoids.
    
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    June 21, 2021 12:14pm
Surely Knott

7th generation Pakeha, Dr Heather Came , who along with her colleagues received $840k for reimagining racism in the health sector describes herself as an “Activist scholar”.

She responded on Twitter, “Responding to critics: you can be an both an activist and a scholar hence #activistscholar. It determines what you study and how you study. And yes I got BIG publicly funded Marsden grant to look at anti-racism because my colleagues and my work is that good! Maybe read some of it”

I’m confused, as a pakeha socialist calling for racial and economic equality, she is she now saying that she is paid in the top 1% because her work is “that good “!. So is she saying people are paid more because of the quality of the work they do? And it has nothing to do with race? Or privilege?
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June 21, 2021 10:26am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Let’s unpack a couple of things there:
  The size of the Marsden Fund grant doesn’t equate to her personal income. Maybe she is in the top 1% of earners – I suspect not.
  Calling for racial and economic equality is not incompatible with awarding research funds on merit.
  
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  June 21, 2021 10:57am
  - Tall Man
    
    “reimagining racism in the health sector”
    
    Does anyone really know what that means?
    
    I think the stupidity of the project is more the issue, especially when we have significant other issues that need funding.
    
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    June 21, 2021 11:27am
    - Fidel Cashflow
      
      Shouldn’t it be “imagining racism in the health sector”?
      
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      June 21, 2021 1:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        In Stuff, March of last year:
        
        AUT senior lecturer Dr Heather Came is organising one of the largest anti-racism and decolonisation campaigns in New Zealand.
        
        Is New Zealand a racist country? “Yes,” she said. “You can see racism across our public sector, in our institutions, in school curriculums, playgrounds, on the streets.”
        
        The racism of which Came speaks will be why, at least in Canterbury, people of part-Maori descent are being vaccinated while White folk, in the same health-age category wait for their vaccinations, and will probably wait for months to come.
        
        Even reputable, but Woke, publications like the NZ Medical Journal have been printing Came’s crap about racism in New Zealand.
        
        Came is head of AUT’s department of public health. She has a Ph.D. in management from Waikato University.
        
        In the abstract to her Ph.D. thesis, Came explains her journey into activism:
        
        When I moved to the city to go to university I was
        exposed to a diverse collection of new people and experiences. I met stroppy feminists, articulate political Maori, vegetarians, gay men, lesbians, and people involved in solidarity actions of assorted kinds.
        
        Within quite a short period, I started the long journey of learning Te Reo Maori (Maori language) and in doing so became a minority for the first time in my life.
        
        I began to learn about my own, up until then invisible to me, culture. After university hostel food, inspired by my sister, I became a vegetarian and surprised myself by working out that I was neither heterosexual nor lesbian rather bisexual.
        
        Becoming a feminist to me seemed an inevitable rite of passage for any sensible young woman. Activism and the pursuit of social justice endure as key drivers in my life.
        
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        June 21, 2021 2:16pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Already done I think.
        
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        June 21, 2021 4:02pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Top 1percent. Top 10 percent. You’re splitting hairs. She believes her extraordinary payment is because she is *that good*. Excellent. Good on her. But it is not equality for all. She is advocating her very high pay is based on merit. And in other sectors when Social Justice academics see inequality they assume their must be some racism or privilege at play, but in this instance it is on merit.
    
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    June 21, 2021 12:07pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      What ‘extraordinary payment’? Do you think the $840,000 goes to her personally?
      
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      June 21, 2021 1:05pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        Her and three colleagues were named as the recipients. But no I’ve never received one of the payments. Where does it go MNM?
        
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        June 21, 2021 1:53pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        The Marsden Fund grants cover the entire costs of specific research projects. This could include all sorts of things – paying additional researchers, travel for research, materials, whatever. Most academics involved would already be salaried staff of their respective institutions. Unlikely that much, if any, of the grant money goes directly to the principals’ pockets.
        
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        June 21, 2021 4:12pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky, why are you defending the Marsden Fund?
        
        It promotes itself as supporting “excellence in science, engineering, maths, social sciences and the humanities .”
        
        You can rule out science, engineering, and maths from its results.
        
        It’s promoting social activism like that of Waikato management Ph.D. Heather Came.
        
        The Marsden Fund has become as controversial as its namesake the Anglican missionary, Samuel Marsden, who from his brutality to transported convicts became known in Australia as “Flogger Marsden”.
        
        PS: as a point of interest, are any Waikato management Ph.D.s prominent in private enterprise?
        
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        June 21, 2021 4:41pm
      - Jack5
        
        Whoops! Just noticed from Milky’s 1.07 post that the Marsden fund is named for Sir Ernest Marsden, Victoria University physicist, and not for the controversial Anglican missionary, Samuel (“Flogger”) Marsden.
        
        Sorry!
        
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        June 21, 2021 4:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jaspinda wrote that for you Mike, didn’t she?
    Otherwise it would have made sense – Jaspindaspeak is just wonderful ////
    
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    June 21, 2021 6:29pm
- hilaryt
  
  Good grief. Trendy trougher. Sprinkle all that dosh somewhere meaningful. This aint it.
  
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  June 21, 2021 12:31pm
- Clyde
  
  This is from her research interests page on the Uni website:
  “RESEARCH INTERESTS
  Heather’s research focuses on advancing issues of social justice in dialogue with activists and Māori partners. Her particular expertise lies in i) identifying (and disrupting) institutional racism within the health system, ii) fostering anti-racism praxis and critical thinking, iii) critical policy analysis, and iv) promoting te Tiriti o Waitangi based practice.
  
  Heather is also currently working with A/Prof. Jacquie Kidd and Prof Tim McCreanor on a Marsden study. This study is looking at re-imaging anti-racism praxis amongst health professionals.”
  
  For those, like me, that don’t use the word “praxis”, it means “practice”. A brief search of her publications shows where she is coming from and it is a very deep and dark hole.
  
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  June 21, 2021 12:34pm
Maggie Pie

Sounds like Laurel’s heading to Tokyo then.
Over 87 kg class.
I wonder if the other girls will be rooting for her?
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June 21, 2021 12:09pm
- Flossie
  
  Just saw a photo on another site and I’m hoping one of the other girls might have a quiet chat with her about underarm depilation?
  
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  June 21, 2021 1:21pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Guys don’t bother with that
    
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    June 21, 2021 6:34pm
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  A lot of that goes on in the Olympic village apparently.
  
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  June 21, 2021 1:22pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    GAWD… I recall reading they had something like 500,000 condoms delivered to the Olympic Village in Rio!!
    
    Equated to about 45 for each athlete 😛
    
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    June 21, 2021 1:55pm
    - Flossie
      
      There’ll be no energy left for the competitions!
      
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      June 21, 2021 1:57pm
    - Fidel Cashflow
      
      It’s a wonder they can squeeze in any competition. Then again, all of those fit young foreign physiques must keep them on the boil for two weeks straight.
      
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      June 21, 2021 2:05pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        You may have gone a bit ‘off topic’ there Fidsie?
        The thread was referencing Laurel Hubbard 😛
        
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        June 21, 2021 2:56pm
      - Fidel Cashflow
        
        Sorry Maggs, it’s just that Gavin isn’t really my cuppa tea.
        
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        June 21, 2021 6:44pm
lifesgood

I am astonished to see a number of posters on here supporting Winston. Have they got no memory of what he has done to this country? The mess we are in now is largely down to him. Are they naive enough to be sucked in by his rhetoric? One thing I will say for him is that he knows what buttons to push. And if anyone is stupid enough to think he would go with National, forget it, his utu runs very deep.
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June 21, 2021 12:12pm
- Nickc2
  
  I’m hoping he gets in but with 5% plus taken from Labour and the Greens. Then, I hope he goes to the Cross-Benches and casts his Parties vote in any direction that will ultimately be for the betterment of NZers and our country.
  BTW, I’m far from being a Winston 1st supporter.
  
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  June 21, 2021 12:31pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “I’m far from being a Winston 1st supporter”
    
    But you are clearly in lala land if you believe even half of what you wrote.
    
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    June 21, 2021 4:11pm
    - Nickc2
      
      I’m reliably told LaLa Land is where Cindy and Grant sit and I’m definitely not there Shorty.
      
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      June 21, 2021 7:07pm
- Cobolt24
  
  He’s not with us, but he can most certainly help.
  
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  June 21, 2021 12:43pm
- MCos
  
  NZF had their first stint in government with National, with whom he fell out, setting a pattern.
  Three times in a coalition government ending in animosity with the major partner followed by a period out of the House.
  Peters will criticize anyone/anything if it suits his agenda.
  Everyone knows all this, but people still vote for the old bugger. Must be the laughing eyes.
  
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  June 21, 2021 12:55pm
- kowtow
  
  It’s a sad reflection on the state of the electorate .
  
  He says all the right things , like the perrenial politician that he is , gets into power and then ,
  
  does bugger all , other than draw his handsome salary.
  
  And he’s done that for years , and still some people rate him.
  
  Fool me once and all that.
  
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  June 21, 2021 1:09pm
ABS4EVA

Let’s pull up the Cart and put the wagons in a circle.

And Speak the Truth while we are still allowed
without imprisonment and Torture, because
Marden was big on Tortue if you study him
impartially.

Marsden taught the Maori how to slave
he had white Irish Slaves.

So let’s acknowledge the Irony of this
Maori got a great deal out of the Crown

Better than any white person
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June 21, 2021 12:38pm
ABS4EVA

Marsden was so corrupt and useless he was
LAUGHED out of Australia.
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June 21, 2021 12:39pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Not sure what you are own about there ABS.
  Are you talking about the Marsden Fund, named after Sir Ernest Marsden, or was this a random comment about Samuel Marsden?
  
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  June 21, 2021 1:07pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    […], or was this a random comment about Samuel Marsden?
    
    Heh, heh, heh. I think we all know the answer to that one, Mike.
    
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    June 21, 2021 1:17pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

How long till we receive a fentanyl laced Communion?

https://twitter.com/JamesMartinSJ/status/1267570417419550726
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June 21, 2021 12:46pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Oh, goodness me, Maggie.
  
  Not only do you make light of a man’s tragic and totally unnecessary death, but you mock your Catholicism!
  
  Are you really a god-fearing Catholic? Do you really attend Mass each Sunday morning?
  
  I have to say, I’m now beginning to wonder.
  
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  June 21, 2021 1:05pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Oh come on Steven – where did you ever read about Jesus getting high on drugs, or robbing a pregnant woman at gunpoint and serving 5 years in jail?
    
    Christ’s death should not be compared with that of a common criminal. One died for our sins. The other died because of the sins tolerated by society.
    
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    June 21, 2021 1:30pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Maggie: I responded to your comment, “How long till we receive a fentanyl laced Communion?”
      
      You did not address the content of my response.
      
      (For the record, it’s Stephen, not Steven.)
      
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      June 21, 2021 1:56pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Well how come it’s not ‘Steph’ then?
        
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        June 21, 2021 2:08pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Hmm. Not one of your better comebacks, Maggie. No worries.
        
        I see that you’re annoyed that you have been “challenged” on a blogsite where you have come to bask in the almost universal (and continuing) applause of your fellow commenters.
        
        I invite you to accept my (mild) criticism; and let’s move on.
        
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        June 21, 2021 2:29pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Well I thought my comeback was brilliant!
        But TBH Steve, I don’t need to justify myself to anyone except Jesus….. let alone you.
        
        Admittedly, I do get a mild satisfaction triggering the Woke & working-class poor, but that’s just me.
        My other SM accounts are proof positive of that as well 😀
        
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        June 21, 2021 2:49pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Cool. Happy to leave it that, Maggie. (With your acceptance), we move on.
        
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        June 21, 2021 2:58pm
    - kowtow
      
      Too right .
      
      It wouldn’t have been too long ago that what that Jesuit fool has posted would be considered tantamount to a blasphemy .
      
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      June 21, 2021 2:17pm
chukar

Has the Peter’s /Labour secret agreement prior to the last terms government selection ever been released?

Just asking!
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June 21, 2021 12:52pm
Nickc2

Faafoi’s Hate Speech legislation. The end may be nigh for Protest Marches, especially if they are in protest against Union, Labour Party or other lame brain initiatives.

Paste from Free Speech Union Newsletter:

Bridges asked if the Government wanted to “criminalise offensive, insulting, derogatory speech”.
Faafoi replied that people were clearly entitled to their opinions and to say “stupid things”.
“That is not what we’re going to tackle … but if that incites or stirs up hatred towards a particular group, that is the area we are going to put to the public about what should happen.”

I hope you are as confused as I am.
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June 21, 2021 1:17pm
Maggie Pie

TWITTER VIRAL….(watch full screen – sound up)

The Asians Strike Back

https://twitter.com/EndTheCovidScam/status/1406071196534427654
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June 21, 2021 1:45pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/125506478/nz-first-leader-winston-peters-describes-national-party-as-sex-maniacs

Ok, so I know this has already been a topic of discussion on here today – but here is the $tuff report.
To the commenters (especially Nat Party aligned) who have been again supporting Peters and wishing he was back, are you serious?
This guy is already paving his way back into the Socialist fold by smearing the National Party.
Don’t you care?
How weak are ya?
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June 21, 2021 2:02pm
Tauhei Notts

Stuff reported on 24th February that the NZ First name suppression thing will come up on 17th June.
Did anybody hear what happened?
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June 21, 2021 2:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Must be something that will happen in an Election year. Censored again
  
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  June 21, 2021 6:41pm
Maggie Pie

And I see where Stuff are reporting Hastings police now have 20 Officers working on that diabolical Home Invasion, where a 90 year old lady and her elderly son were bashed by some low-life scumbag.

Obviously neither of them have been able to provide any sort of description at this stage. Police are still appealing for public help in locating…. ‘a man’.
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June 21, 2021 3:07pm
- sooty
  
  We all know who to eliminate in the hunt,
  Doesn’t leave that many to look at!
  
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  June 21, 2021 3:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Plan on Covid-19 being around for the next 5 years or so.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/luck-no-strategy-as-nz-borders-start-to-reopen
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June 21, 2021 3:19pm
- sooty
  
  That’s if the media have anything to do with it!
  Money for jam, lies to tell!
  
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  June 21, 2021 3:46pm
- Frank the tank
  
  umm…… plan on it being around for your lifetime – it’s an endemic virus like the flu.
  
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  June 21, 2021 4:17pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  Double that, but then again, it might well be around for the tenure of the rest of our lives. People everywhere should be preparing for the worse, but of course, hoping for the best. The reality of course, is that Roache et al, really have no idea and in fact, may be less informed than others. Beware of false prophets when prgamatism should be the name of the game,
  
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  June 21, 2021 4:25pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Barry Soaper tells HDPA he just attended Post Cabinet Press Conference.
  
  Says there’s nothing more the PM likes talking about than “Covid”!
  
  It’s ClarkE I feel sorry for 😛
  
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  June 21, 2021 4:55pm
Tauhei Notts

One man reckoned that Winston was dog whistling.
Quite apt, as that is what the bitches in the news media will write about.
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June 21, 2021 4:29pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Saint Ashley now wants to vacinate 12-15 year old with the trial vaccince. If every one in NZ over 12 is vaccinated, we will only have 75% of the population vaccinated. What does this do regarding herd immunity? I undertsand that herd immunity for measles is reached at over 95% vaccinated. Why is covid different in that regard ? Even if we have 50% vaccinated, you still arent protected from catching or spreading it ? or have I missed something?
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June 21, 2021 4:55pm
- Ian Boag
  
  I think the herd immunity % thing depends on R0. The higher the R0 value, the higher the % required. My understanding is that measles has an an R0 of about 20-odd and covid is 2-3 ….
  
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  June 21, 2021 5:00pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    https://dnascience.plos.org/2021/01/28/are-we-hurtling-or-hurdling-towards-herd-immunity-for-covid-19/
    
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    June 21, 2021 5:26pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    So somewhere between 50%-67% of the population would have to be vaccinated if Covid-19’s R0 is 2-3.
    
    But if the Delta variant has an R0 of 7, then we’ll need 86% of the population vaccinated.
    
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    June 21, 2021 5:41pm
- Cinematic
  
  I find it confusing it’s being labelled safe when the clinical trials of younger recipients are just starting.
  
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  June 21, 2021 5:20pm
Maggie Pie

We just fliked between oNE and 3 Ewes.
Jacinda was trying to explain herself with questions about the $1.9b Mental Health Budget and the EV Feebate.

Like my partner said…. “Now she’s just talking as her arse guides her”
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June 21, 2021 6:32pm
- James Stephenson
  
  Well yes, if she walked through the door with wet hair and told me it was raining, I’d still go and check.
  
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  June 21, 2021 6:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Explain herself? Did she not give them the questions and the required answers?
  Slack arsed Prime Minister
  
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  June 21, 2021 6:48pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  The poor thing looked sooo lost!
  I’m actually starting to feel sorry for her now.
  
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  June 21, 2021 7:08pm
Prince

Disasters of the past week.
Auckland struck by tornado, one dead, much damage.
East Coast Nth Island flooded, much damage.
Canterbury mops up after significant flood, much damage.
Wellington struck by high winds (yawn), no damage.

Prince receives his State Insurance house insurance invoice, 35% increase, 112% up over three years, despite no claims for 20 years.
Complains. He is advised this ‘recognises the risk of living in Wellington region, compared to the rest of the country.’
Quotes gathered. Initio looks very good. 40% cheaper for same excess and higher contents cover. Tower about the same as State.
Initio gets my business.
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June 21, 2021 6:38pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Did you get a qoute from AA Insurance, Prince?
  
  We were with with a Broker for nwearly 15 years……. AA came in at half!!
  
  And can only say good things about them tbh.
  
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  June 21, 2021 7:15pm
- Tall Man
  
  IAG by another name but with different benefits.
  
  It’s an old adage but true, you get what you pay for.
  
  Go to a broker next time, you may be surprised.
  
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  June 21, 2021 7:18pm
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/06/jacinda-ardern-denies-claim-by-winston-peters-he-puapua-report-was-deliberately-withheld-from-nz-first.html

Who do you believe?

Remember, ardern is a liar and as for “what’s in it for wynston”…..
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June 21, 2021 7:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

$1.9Billion for 5 extra mental health beds

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/06/just-five-extra-acute-mental-health-beds-after-1-9-billion-investment-in-budget-2019.html

Which ~~trough~~ blackhole is the Mental Health budget disappearing into?

The Ministry of Health told Newshub that almost all of it has been committed but they couldn’t say how much had been spent.

The Prime Minister couldn’t say on The AM Show on Monday morning how many extra beds that record investment created for acute youth.

“That’s not something that I can share with you right off the bat,” she said.
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June 21, 2021 7:37pm
MrTips

“Give me something……anything to hug or …….concerned face about. No, not farmers or those killed by gangs…..something easier and potentially vote buying to show how concerned I am”
Vomit
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June 21, 2021 7:57pm
Suze Wainwright

Heh, Jacinda Ardern – Leading with Empathy.

Available at all good bookstores…?
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June 21, 2021 8:22pm
WaveyDavey

Heh, govt announces EV subsidy

EV importer announces suppliers increasing prices

Whoda thought?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/06/clean-car-package-concerns-ev-subsidy-could-be-cancelled-out-as-overseas-suppliers-raise-prices.html
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June 21, 2021 8:35pm
- graham
  
  Gee, I never saw that coming.
  
  Who would have thought that a business might try to take advantage of a subsidy?
  
  Those unintended consequences, hmm?
  
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  June 21, 2021 9:26pm
ABS4EVA

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