$100 a marcher
The Herald reports:
Between 4000 and 5000 people marched through central Auckland this afternoon, urging the Government to act on referenda.
That can only be called a very disappointing turnout for the organisers, considering the target was 50,000 and the amount spent was $300,000 to $450,000 on promoting it.
Maybe they would have done better if they had followed the Manners Mall campaigners and just hired students through Student Job Search 
Protesters also waved placards aimed at the Prime Minister, some reading “JK listen to me” and “JFK, John Fuhrer Key”.
Rather early to be comparing John to Hitler I would say.
Other slogans included “Brian smacks his 700 sons” and “Hit me baby one more time”.
Heh now that is funny.
Singer Yulia said her childhood under a totalitarian regime in Russia made her appreciate the freedom a democracy offered.
“I love democracy and I want it to stay,” she said.
I don’t think there are plans to abolish it until after the Reichstag gets burnt down!
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 am
I was there and very disappointed with the turnout, however it felt like a good size while marching.
What I liked about it though was the good mix of people and especially how many elderly people showed up.
There were a few good banners but I was slightly angered when I saw the hitler sign, there was no need for that one but I did like the “bring back dancing with the stars” one. What did that have to do with the march? NOTHING, but that’s democracy.
I believe the time and the day were the reasons for the poor turnout, it should have been a weekday, people are to busy in the weekends and 1:30pm was a stupid time as it stuffs the whole day.
And what really pissed me off was the unions there trying to get signatures for a minimum $15 an hour pay, everytime one of them came to me (there were many) I told them to piss off and get their own gig.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:18 am
Generally New Zealanders are not very good at complaining about anything. Although the turnout was not 45,000 which would have been hard to achieve on a Saturday afternoon, given so many people are working, taking children to sport etc I think the fact that 5,000 people, many of them families were prepared to complain about the health of our country’s democracy is a very positive thing!
The fact that Children’s Commissioner spent tax payer’s money to to put out a media release urging people to stay away from the march is quite outrageous.
You can read what others have to say about John Angus’s actions over the march at:
http://www.democracymum.co.nz
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:27 am
it was much nearer $500 a marcher…
i was there..
the crowd stretched from swanson st to victoria st..
like men talking about penis size..
the numbers have been somewhat .. inflated..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:30 am
Nobody believes you Phool.
Newstalk ZB reported 5000-6000 on the march, based on the account of their reporter on the scene.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:30 am
i believe the numbers in the march were near 1000 rather than 4000/5000
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 am
Yes Phil – we know you were there – jeering from the sidelines as usual, rather than participating.
That kinds of sums you up, doesn’t it – a non-participant ….
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:48 am
i run an online news service..called http://www.whoar.co.nz/ ..inventory..
i was there in that capacity..
that was the story of the day..
the smackers’-march..
so..i was..a ‘participant’..
but ..given the extravagant claims/huge monies spent..pre-march..(50,000 marchers..and a half a million dollars..)
and the pathetic turnout onthe day..
it was kinda funny..
in a watching a trainwreck sorta way…
this eperience was further punctuated by the looks of dismay/pained utterances of the few that turned up..
‘is that it..?’..was a common (overheard) refrain..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:52 am
I was there. I thought there might have been 5,000, more like 4,000. I thought the counter protesters were very funny and the march organisers did not know what to do with them. Two highlights were “John Key is the antichrist” and “Vigilante Justice is my birthright”.
For that amount of money the left could have got out 100,000. Just see what happens on December 5 when the Greenpeace Sign on anti climate change march happens.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:53 am
All supportive of the cause and all, but the guy who organised it struck me as a clueless dickhead with more money than brains.
You NEVER talk up a march before it happens, because if you don’t hit the target, it will be seen as a failure. 5000 people is highly impressive, but because the tosser hyped it, he shot himself in the foot and actually set the cause back. Well done, arsehole.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:03 am
“Rather early to be comparing John to Hitler I would say.”
The comparison is unfair to Adolf, who at least knew how to make decisions. More appropriate is to compare Key to another character of that era: Neville Chamberlain.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:06 am
Making their target John Key ( JFK, now that was funny) must have worked against them. Even I could see a march against a popular leader wasnt going anywhere
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:06 am
Hitler comparisons seem to be almost compulsory with protest campaigns these days – ‘Right, who’s comparing Key to Hitler? Whadya mean no one?!’
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:28 am
I was there too, got my weeks mixed up, I was expecting to see Santa
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:42 am
Magpies have tiny penis’s. Only 10mm long however their beaks are 50mm long.
It’s logical to assume they get all their kicks orally I guess.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:43 am
Whats with the Nazi comparisons to a Prime Minister who is a liberal Jew? Even if Key is non-practising, it doesn’t take away the fact he has apparently lost relatives to the Nazi holocaust.
Did no one think to tell the idiot waving the Fuhrer placard that might be a little counterproductive, or even downright offensive?
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:21 am
Whats with the Nazi comparisons to a Prime Minister who is a liberal Jew?
It shouldn’t even be significant if he’s all sorts of weird things, a Hitler comparison is i would guess on average almost never justified. ‘Hitler = bad’ seems to be all that matters to some.
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:22 am
Yeah right people. Protest against the National government and keep voting for them. Useful idiots. Next time you tick your party vote for ACT.
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:41 am
Falafulu, ACT is probably the most corrupt political party there is. Look at Roger Douglas and Rodney Hide’s (and his sex toy’s) blatant theft of money from the New Zealand public to go on holiday – which they feel entitled to!
That march looked stupid. There were idiots on the TV ads, and only idiots turned up. What a ridiculous joke. Destiny’s anti-gay, anti-woman and anti-science march was much more successful. Marches are for people with passion, only the worst child-beaters have any problem with the law, the rest of normal parents who might smack occasionally aren’t being prosecuted, and aren’t being sucked by fear-mongering.
You voted for John Key, and his government makes the rules – that’s democracy. Everything decision can’t be based on poorly-worded, over-hyped referenda.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Whats with the Nazi comparisons to a Prime Minister who is a liberal Jew? Even if Key is non-practising, it doesn’t take away the fact he has apparently lost relatives to the Nazi holocaust.
Those signs screamed “teabagger” to me. Oh joy.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:07 pm
MANOLO…….said”The comparison is unfair to Adolf, who at least knew how to make decisions. More appropriate is to compare Key to another character of that era: Neville Chamberlain.”
”’Maybe thats why he was such a failure as a currency exchange trader……Anyway why go back to Chamberlain as a comparison.You could have stated OBAMA.
TRISTAN said “You voted for John Key, and his government makes the rules – that’s democracy. Everything decision can’t be based on poorly-worded, over-hyped referenda.
In Switzerland one of the oldest and most successful democracy every decision of this nature can be challenged and decided by a referendum. In NZ matters of conscience and social engineering should be decided by the people, not the politicians.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:09 pm
“Those signs screamed “teabagger” to me. Oh joy.”
Best you take that kind of unacceptable and inapproriate comment over to that leftist sewer and troll farm ‘Public Address’.
Actually, the subject signs were probably made and held by leftists out to discredit the marchers.
After all, most anyone with a brain knows the left are determined to eventually kill off democracy.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
While I agree that comparing John Key to Hitler is a bit over the top, I can understand people’s frustration with a Prime Minister who treats voters – many of whom voted for him – with utter contempt. His partially successful attempt to undermine the referendum by making public statements that had the effect of discouraging people from voting was shameful.
I quote Matt McCarten from the Herald below.
I doubt if there would be many things I would McCarten on. He is far to the Left and supports a law that undermines parental authority. However, his compromise suggestion has merit. It would be good if Mr Key would reconsider showing some respect for all those who voted for him.
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Correction: I doubt if there would be many things I would agree with McCarten on.
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Best you take that kind of unacceptable and inapproriate comment over to that leftist sewer and troll farm ‘Public Address’.
Oh, of course. Silly me. It’s not unacceptable and inappropriate when marchers blithely compare a democratically-elected Prime Minister to Hitler (and one with Jewish heritage to boot) — only when someone remarks on it.
It does appear to me to be of a piece with the teabagger protests in the US.
Actually, the subject signs were probably made and held by leftists out to discredit the marchers.
The troubling thing is, I expect you actually believe that.
[DPF: I doubt the Hitler sign was from a genuine protester but I do recall some people from ACT infiltrating a anti-GE march some years ago with signs saying "Paedophiles against GE"
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November 22nd, 2009 at 2:07 pm
I have to agree with Mickysavage here activism in this country is predominantly a left wing affair, best to learn from them in that regard because crow taste like shit.
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:09 pm
“The troubling thing is, I expect you actually believe that.”
Why wouldn’t I?
If there is one thing I have come to know in life, it is that deceit is the life blood of the left.
Progressives are identified by their contempt for moral boundaries, and their belief that the end justifies the means.
I assert that the deceit and dishonesty involved in making and marching with such a sign is an act that would not trouble your average garden type leftist for one nanosecond.
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Russell, you are treated a lot better on this blog than I am on your blog. Unlike DPF you encourage others on you r blog to abuse those whose opinions you do not agree with. Typical of the left to do everything they can to shut down debate and limit free speech.
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
I’m confused. Was this the representation of the apparently overwhelming majority that want..ah yeah, what was this small march about again??
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:32 pm
“..Did no one think to tell the idiot waving the Fuhrer placard that might be a little counterproductive, or even downright offensive?..”
that was star-bored..
y’know..!..that thick-as-pigshit one..?
who thinks jon voight is a commie/leftie..?
what more do you expect..?
(ah..!..it was the right..is all their withered/dyspeptic glory..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:36 pm
“..I was expecting to see Santa..”
but there were clowns..!
(no..!..really..!..there were..!
i mean..it was so ‘indicative’..y’know..?..)
the ‘smackers-march’ was one of the biggest jokes..ever..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Russell, you are treated a lot better on this blog than I am on your blog. Unlike DPF you encourage others on you r blog to abuse those whose opinions you do not agree with.
Chuck, point me to where I have “encouraged” anyone to do anything of the kind and perhaps we can have a conversation. I’m generally more likely to err in the other direction.
What I’m not doing is whining because someone disagrees with me. You and Red seem to take very little prompting to lapse into victim mode.
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:41 pm
I assert that the deceit and dishonesty involved in making and marching with such a sign is an act that would not trouble your average garden type leftist for one nanosecond.
What you’re saying is that you wish it were true. The vastly more likely explanation is that those people were on the march because they supported it.
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:44 pm
and ‘red’ never never ‘just makes things up;..!
eh..?
(psstt..!..ask him about the palin-support polls he seems to have been the only one to see..)
and then there was all that ‘sorry’ orly taitz/’birther’-business..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:44 pm
“The vastly more likely explanation is that those people were on the march because they supported it.”
Like the leftist student drones protesting when Melissa Lee spoke during the Mt Albert by-election ?
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:46 pm
“..ah yeah, what was this small march about again??..”
people who want to smack children..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:48 pm
“..ah yeah, what was this small march about again??..”
people who want to take smack and have their children provided for by welfare..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:48 pm
“The vastly more likely explanation is that those people were on the march because they supported it.”
Sorry Mr. Brown, have to disgree, and I do that because I know damn well there has been a cowardly and underhand campaign (orchestrated by the left) to denigrate and discredit the march and the marchers. You know that too.
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
“..to denigrate and discredit the march and the marchers…”
all 1,000 of them..?
nah..!..it’s been all yr own work..
all yr own ‘discrediting’/self-denigration..eh..?..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Phillip Ure said “but ..given the extravagant claims/huge monies spent..pre-march..(50,000 marchers..and a half a million dollars..)
and the pathetic turnout onthe day..
it was kinda funny..
in a watching a trainwreck sorta way”
Were you looking in the mirror when you wrote that “in a watching a trainwreck sorta way” line Phil?
But seriously, it sounds as though you have a problem with someone spending a large chunk of their own money on what they believe in. Then again, I doubt you’ll ever have that kind of money to splash around unless the MSD makes a big stuff-up with your DPB, or you revert to your former field of endeavour..eh..?
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Bugger the dollars per marcher.
Each marcher represented around 640 people who voted their support in one or more CIR’s that the government ignored.
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Sorry Mr. Brown, have to disgree, and I do that because I know damn well there has been a cowardly and underhand campaign (orchestrated by the left) to denigrate and discredit the march and the marchers. You know that too.
I know nothing of the kind. If you’re suggesting that the poor turnout for the march the the result of an “orchestrated” campaign, I think you’re clutching at straws.
These guys had tons of money to communicate their message. They squandered it on fatuous banners claiming that New Zealand is a “dictatorship”. And they wound up spending $100 for every marcher who turned up, and some of those seemed confused as to what the march was about. What were those people with the United Tribes of Aotearoa flag on about?
This isn’t a problem exclusive to the right — the fad for anti-capitalist protests in the late 90s was one of the great examples of mass incoherence — but it doesn’t make for effective change. This exchange between One News’ Jack Tame and Colin Craig summed it up quite well.
So he wanted the government to act on the dictates of referenda but couldn’t bring himself to support legislative action to make it so.
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:02 pm
“..Bugger the dollars per marcher.
Each marcher represented around 640 people who voted their support in one or more CIR’s that the government ignored…”
aww..!!..look..!
stuffed is having a benchmark-setting norman vincent peale-moment..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:39 pm
“So he wanted the government to act on the dictates of referenda but couldn’t bring himself to support legislative action to make it so.”
Not true actually. What he couldn’t do is deal with the agenda driven questioning of the propaganda agent behind the TV One microphone. “Acting on the dictates of referenda”, your own phrase, suggests there are other outcomes besides making referenda binding, and there are, as some posters have described quite well above.
” I know nothing of the kind.”
Well, that could be in fact a true statement, given that like most hard leftists, you cower away in your little cliquey groups, and sneer at anyone with a different world view, and denigrate any other source of information other than ones that you approve of, being those that do share your world view.
You refuse to engage. You pretend that those who differ with your socialist views do not exist. So the world passes you by, and you truly may not know that there is growing resentment towards the left as the true depth of their local and global corruption becomes more widely appreciated.
I actually tried to tell you this years ago Mr. Brown, on one of the many occasions when you have recommended that I be ignored. Of course this only makes us stronger, and now our strength is so much more than what it was back in those days of usenet, and as more come to hear our voice, so our strength will grow exponentially.
So you continue to cower in your little leftist enclaves Mr. Brown, but eventually, pleading ignorance is no longer going to be accepted as an excuse for denying the criminality and amorality of the leftist political movement that once had New Zealand and the rest of the western world by the throat.
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:39 pm
“’Maybe thats why Key was such a failure as a currency exchange trader…”
That validates my assertion. Where are Key’s much vaunted decision-makig skills? So far he’s shown none, preferring to go with the flow, putting a bob each way.
You might be satisfied with that approach, I am not. It only shows Key’s transformation from a decisive executive in private enterprise to a mediocre and spineless, almost forgetable, politician.
It serves right the credulous people who voted for Neville Key.
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:40 pm
I think the march has sent a clear message. Those who are behind the tea party NZ campaign should now realise they can’t expect automatic public support, especially when they run such vague promotions. They need to have clearly defined targets, and they need to be upfront about who is trying to pull the strings and jiggle the tea bag. Then again that may not be great for getting support either.
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:42 pm
You might as well be talking to yourself again Redbrokenrecorder.
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
I don’t buy into the propaganda that the march was a failure.
Even the anti march Herald newspaper reported 5000 marchers and said it was “one of the biggest turnouts in 30 years”.
Nothing too bad about that.
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:47 pm
“This isn’t a problem exclusive to the right — the fad for anti-capitalist protests in the late 90s..”
Stop there. The oracle of the chardonnay-sipping left has spoken and we can all go home now more enlightened and happier.
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Haha, Delirium returns after his no-show yesterday.
Thinking up of excuses to defend the Hadley crooks?
Though you can’t be too good at it if all you can do is cry TEABAGGER like some quart-wit Queef Olbermann.
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:50 pm
If some people got a buzz by going on the march then good for them.
If anyone thinks the march will achieve anything politically then they are likely to be disappointed. The tea party will have to try something new next year, if they want to keep on trying.
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:58 pm
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Here comes a leftard using a leftard to back their own decrepit argument. QQ, Delirium.
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 pm
“You might as well be talking to yourself”
More abject lies and false allegations. I’ve never cowered away or only sought out the comforting words of my political comrades. I’ve always been ready to engage and expose the duplicity and deceit of the left anywhere anytime.
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Atack atattack Hurf. Don’t you know any other way to respond?
What is wrong with what he said? Or you didn’t have any valid argument so resorted to atac.
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:05 pm
FFS Red, you engage less than the majority of today’s marriageless couples. Although yes, you do expose your duplicity and self deceit.
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:07 pm
“Here comes a leftard using a leftard to back their own decrepit argument.”
They always do it. Its a measure of their own desperate intellectual bankruptcy that they cannot see the futility of it.
Wisen up Petey you fake named fraud. Nobody around here gives a flying fuck for Matt McCarten and his bullshit, and neither do they care about the Washington Post or the New York Times or the Huffington Post or RealClimate or Noam Chomsky or any of your clapped out past their use by dates bullshitting delusional leftist fuckwits. They should have exited stage left a decade ago. Get the damn message for chrissake.
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:08 pm
“Attack attack” sob sob sob. Is that all you have? Keep crying, Delirium, perhaps someone will hear you.
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:12 pm
@’baiter 4.46 pm
The Herald reported
So, exclude the children, who presumably were required to attend under threat of a “loving” smack, and you don’t have your 5000.
There were more at the ACC protest at Parliament last Tuesday – so the putting the mock in demockracy march was far from one of our biggest turnouts in 30 years. Dunno where you were when 60,000 and 40,000 marched up Queen Street in successive protests in 1981 against the Springbok tour. At home reading Hayek and Friedman, I presume.
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Frogboy, Delirium, Bonkers, Phool…it’s a real carnival of leftardation on KB today. Filthy dumb Green scum.
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:16 pm
“Between 4000 and 5000 people marched through central Auckland this afternoon, urging the Government to act on referenda.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10610750
Eff off Toad. You’re another leftist Quixote endlessly tilting at capitalist windmills.
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Haha, when you arrived on the stage. You’ve been quite a success since then, haven’t you.
And that’s a scathing comment from, from, from who?
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:22 pm
It’s not a bad number, really.
I think it takes a lot to get New Zealanders really fired up – we are quite a laid back lot.
I had a look back at reports of the march against the Electoral Finance Bill (a bill which got many people hot under the collar) the numbers were similar – about 5000 in the Queen St march.
So comparatively, it’s not so bad.
ps, Russell, get a shave
(sorry couldn’t resist, but Don Johnson you’re not).
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:28 pm
yes red..
but you do..
“..sneer at anyone with a different world view, and denigrate any other source of information other than ones that you approve of, being those that do share your world view..”
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Hurfing shit just leaves your own hands dirty.
Hard to argue with that, isn’t it.
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:38 pm
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK THAT’S ALL YOU PEOPLE DO etc etc.
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:38 pm
November 22nd, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Jezuz.
Now he’s posting shit from that addle brained psycho Coddington.
Get a life you pointless no argument loser.
November 22nd, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Who in NZ, apart from yourself, do you think it is acceptable to take any notice of Red? Who do you think makes worthwhile arguments? Who should we read to be informed and balanced? Serious question.
November 22nd, 2009 at 6:17 pm
there you go red..!..q.e.d..eh..?
“..and denigrate any other source of information other than ones that you approve of, being those that do share your world view..”
great timing there..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 22nd, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Governments ignore marches/protests etc because mostly they represent a small, small minority. Whatever the exact turnout in Auckland, John Keyless knows this one was no different. So he can safely ignore it. It was a mish-mash of people protesting against a mish-mash of things.
The only march that counts is the one to the polling booth. So don’t waste it. Give ACT* your party tick.
*I know, I know, they’re frauds and infected with Progressive ideas etc, etc, but they’re also they only party espousing the policies which could get NZ out of the economic hole we’re stuck in.
November 22nd, 2009 at 6:51 pm
“Who should we read to be informed and balanced?”
Read who you like. Considering its always going to be some deranged and/ or left wing/ Progressive kook two decades past his/ her use by date, just don’t bother to post any of their shit here to try and support your equally troglodytic views. All I’m saying.
November 22nd, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Don’t you mean I’m just sayin’?
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Good Grief, none of you lot who believe smacking small children is good form did any thing about a sign suggesting that Key is Hitler.
Fuck, that is sick, the only explanation for that arsehole not having it shoved where the sun would never see it is the crowd around the sod agreed with him.
Even though they knew Key is Jewish.
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:10 pm
The Key = Hitler loon was probably one of those counter-protestors.
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Russell, sorry I do not have time to search the achieves of your blog. However, I would hope you should recall the last time I was on your blog you informed the leftwing children that frequent your blog about my comment about who the dude in the blue suit was that Peter Davis was dancing with check to check at a Labour Party election night function.
You also failed to mention that was in retaliation about Clark encouraging her MPs to comment on rumours about Don Brash’s personal life.
This was totally off the topic which I commented on. I was subjected to continuous obscenities and told to get off the blog. You had commented in between so you had to be aware of this.
This is also off topic on this blog but I stand by what I said. Anyone from the left is treated very courteously on Kiwiblog compared to anyone slightly to the right of Stalin who dares commenting on Public Address.
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:31 pm
You’ve got to be joking.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:10 pm
It was a shame that people think “Democracy” is the ideal and don’t get that its really freedom we so desperatley need.Mob rule has no appeal to me which is why I didn’t attend despite wanting the smaking law repealed.Many of my fellow Kiwis are fucking idiots and I don’t want them having a say via State force over my life thanks very much.Individual rights are above any vote.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:24 pm
There, there, Delirium, get a tissue and everything will be better.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Wait, am I left or right? I can never remember…
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:33 pm
# Redbaiter (7938) Vote: Add rating 6 Subtract rating 4 Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
I don’t buy into the propaganda that the march was a failure.
Even the anti march Herald newspaper reported 5000 marchers and said it was “one of the biggest turnouts in 30 years”.
Nothing too bad about that.
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Redbaiter, you either don’t do research (completely believable) or just lie thru your teeth (also completely believable)
From the Herald archives:
Biggest Auckland marches
1932: Unemployment march (“Queen St riot”), 15,000.
1938: J. Lee rally, Auckland Domain, 50,000 to 70,000.
1971: Vietnam war march, Queen St, up to 35,000.
1981: Against union militancy, Queen St, 30,000.
1981: Springbok tour mobilisation, Queen St, 25,000.
2001: Anti-GM march, Queen St, 10,000.
2003: Iraq war protest, Queen St, 10,000.
2004: Foreshore seabed hikoi, Wellington, 15,000.
2005: Destiny Church march, Queen St, 10,000.
I’m proud to say I still have my Iraq war march badge. And I was on the ’71 Vietnam War march too!
So get real. Minus kids, it was just pathetic and an embarrassment to the organisers.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Hey Chthoniid, I was on the Monarch at Taiaroa Head yesterday afternoon. Birds to the left, birds to the right, soaring overhead, landing on the hillside, taking off from the sea, the best display I have seen there. A good strong Souwester so hardly a flap. I thought of taking pics, I thought of you, and decided to just watch and enjoy and leave that sort of capture to the experts.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:44 pm
More protestors against union thuggery than the Springbok tour? Well isn’t that a very unilluminated fact.
Also, 10,000 is pretty piss poor for an Iraq protest.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:47 pm
@hurf Also, 10,000 is pretty piss poor for an Iraq protest.
I agree, but what do you then call 5000 minus kids and jugglers?
How do you guys get that inset effect?
Pretty please
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:50 pm
I often like to sit back and just watch too.
Sometimes it’s nice to have the memories, rather than being glued to an optical viewfinder and a 5 degree angle of view.
(Also, sometimes it’s just not appropriate to take a photo because of the risk to the animal).
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:52 pm
” Redbaiter, you either don’t do research (completely believable) or just lie thru your teeth (also completely believable) ”
Gosh Luc. False allegations again?
I’m just repeating what the Herald said you barren of intelligence leftist robot. Leaving your example of craven cowardice aside, what you now need to do is read what the reporter said (” one of the biggest turnouts in 30 years”) and tell me which part is factually wrong anyway.
And if I thought it was worth making the request, I would ask you to apologise for your false accusation of lying, but don’t bother, because even if you did write something here, it would be completely insincere. False allegations and lies and smears are stock in trade for leftists. They have no conscience to be worried by such actions. It is the Progressive way.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:54 pm
“I’m proud to say I still have my Iraq war march badge. And I was on the ‘71 Vietnam War march too!”
So you’re a fully fledged traitor to Western Democracy?
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:58 pm
I imagine he spent so much time protesting he ended up neglecting his first kid!
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:04 pm
“..Chthoniid (741) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:50 pm
I often like to sit back and just watch too. ..”
far too much information there..clintoiid..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 pm
and re these march numbers..
(my baby)..the anti-ge march..(you claim had 10,000..my understanding was 15,000..)
when the head of that march reached the town hall..
the tail was still leaving customs st..
the smackers-march..
which you claim 5.000..(and i claim 2,000 maximum/tops..and that is being very generous..)
streched from swanson st..to victoria st..
one short block..!
(and had paid clowns..etc..)
mmm..???
the amazing shrinking/expanding march-numbers..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:14 pm
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Your counting skills fail you again. This is becoming recurrent, isn’t it?
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:27 pm
sigh
redbaiter, where’s the link?
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Isn’t it an indictment that the left bores on this site are more outraged on a private citizen spending $500,000 of his own money to support democratic protest, than they are of the government stealing $800,000 to fund its own election campaign.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:31 pm
“where’s the link?”
Why don’t you ask the thousands that were executed by the North Vietnamese after the South capitulated, largely due to the actions of scum like you and other traitors such as Jane Fonda?
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:44 pm
redbaiter
can you give the link for the Herald article you said you quoted from?
please.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:53 pm
“please.”
Its above you limp dicked loser. (My post at 5:16) Does your mummy still tie your shoe laces?
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:08 pm
The way I read it is that that was a quote from the guy who funded the march, putting on a brave face as disaster befell him.
The idiot reporter should have done his/her own research on the Herald site before putting that in.
You should apologise for disseminating false information.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:12 pm
“You should apologise for disseminating false information.”
You should first make it clear whether you think it came from the reporter or Craig.
After that, you have to prove it as incorrect.
Next you should do is apologise for claiming it as a lie when it is at worst subjective opinion.
..and you should apologise for alleging I said it when it was clear to anyone with a brain I was quoting from the Herald.
You lose every which way.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:18 pm
It’s already proven incorrect by the Herald’s own archives.
However, I do accept you used the quote in good faith, and you did not lie, so I humbly apologise for any offense.
[groan...this will come back to haunt me, I just know
]
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Interesting to see in Lucs figures above that the so called Destiny Church March pulled 10,000. I was also on the Bike Hikio to Wellington and Phil Goff stated that it was the biggest turnout since the Destiny March.
Love em or hate em you have to give those church people something, they can pull a crowd when required.
Also to call it the Destiny March is totally misleading as they simply don’t have 10,000 people in their church. It was in reality a combined Christian march pulled together by strong leadership. Something that is missing in Politics today. Far too much wishy washy stuff going with the general consensus instead of what is best for the country.
I heard the Auckland march was a mixture of agenda’s, whereas the church marches were focused on a common purpose.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:35 pm
As well as a busy time of year, at one of the busiest times of the weekend, the biggest problem with the march was a lack of focus. It worked keeping the referendum vague, but wishwashy was not a good way to attract walkers.
November 23rd, 2009 at 8:12 am
nickb:
It is. But then, do you remember how vocal they were when the socialist Labour / Green government stole that money? Even more – do you remember how angsty they got when a private group decided to criticise them? The Labour / Green coalition went into flat out attack mode against a minority religious group. Do you recall the scarf-wearer comment? They generally don’t seem to care for democracy or the rights of people.
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Youtube footage of the protest shows numbers lower than reported.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT9xuXQjxMM
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:55 pm
With the AGW fraud exposed it looks like the socialist losers won’t get a second crack of the whip after all.
Socialism died with the collapse of the USSR, which is nice.
November 23rd, 2009 at 8:48 pm
God I got to laugh at this, what a splendid outcome.
Anyway enjoyed reading the justifications, made my day but one thing stood out, as normal RB comment “So you’re a fully fledged traitor to Western Democracy?” because someone opposed the Iraq war (biggest US foreign policy mistake, entered on false allegations and a breach of international law) and the Vietnam war (much more complicated). The traitors are those who undermine western ideals of law, peaceful resolution, transparency (Cheney, Rumsfield) not those who saw through their barefaced deceit and opposed it upholding the very thing the west represents.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:42 am
Sorry Mr. Brown, have to disagree, and I do that because I know damn well there has been a cowardly and underhand campaign (orchestrated by the left) to denigrate and discredit the march and the marchers. You know that too.
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TRUE!!! And the campaign against democracy is fronted by the Media. The media in all its forms radio, newspaper & TV are overwhelmingly liberal & leftist in their views. Minority vocalists with an agenda. Their agenda is to discredit , condemn, distort & falsify anything they don’t agree with. Leftists like Russell Brown [Public Address, Radio Live] Willie Jackson [Radio Live] , Brian Rudman , Tapu Misa , John Roughan[NZ Herald] . Majority opinion is being shut down , told to go away , ridiculed.
It says it all when John Angus , the Childrens Commisioner advised people to stay away from a March for Democracy.It says it all when Christine Rankin was told to shut up by PM John Key because her views on the smacking debate were contrary to those of her role as Family Commissioner & the Government..It says it all when 87% of public opinion voted against the smacking law , yet an overwhelming majority of NZ Herald columnists & editorial staff held views very opposite to mainstream public opinion & amassed those views in print daily…It says it all when John Key says “the anti smacking law is a dogs breakfast” on radio , then doesn’t do anything to change the law…Who’s ruling the country , the United Nations??
John Key is swayed hugely by minority vocalists he’s now let the separatist Maori Party have their way with flying the Maori Sovereignty flag on all state buildings as well as the Harbour Bridge from next year. Apartheid is alive & well in NZ & being promoted, aided & abetted by John Key. Not only that but Maori are going to be handed over control of their own health, education & welfare from the public purse. Agreements have already being nutted out & with regard to the Tuhoe tribe [Tama Iti & Co] in the Ureweras , one of the few tribes not to sign the Treaty , vast tracts of lands have already been set aside for their own separate development. Apartheid!!!. This is not good for Maori & not good for NZ!
The reason we don’t have democracy in NZ is because media & government positions have been hijacked by leftists who don’t give a damn that their views are in the minority.Debate is being shut down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NZ is on a roller coaster ride ,all the way down with the dictatorship that rules.