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Time the country had a serious discussion about drug ploicy, about abandoning America’s War on Drugs and treated drugs as a) a Health issue and b) set policy based on harm minimisation, not criminalisation.
Make marijuana, E, LSD easier to obtain, make alcohol harde to obtain and eliminate tobacco.
A couple of relevant articles to get you thinking.
Why not make presentation of a licence, similar to a driver’s licence, a requirement for the purchase of tobacco products and allow the licence to be available to anyone over 18 years of age, but on issue for a period of three months only – so anyone believing they are dependent on, or addicted to tobacco may in that time avail themselves of the licence. After the 3 month period ISSUE NO MORE LICENCES – EVER – other than replacement of lost cards.
This will cater for those dependent or addicted now – the group always regarded as a ‘difficulty’ when bans are spoken of, but would make tobacco products inaccessible to new buyers.
There would be an inevitable abuse of the system, with black market licences, the need to provide for tourist smokers and other problem areas, but those would probably not outway consideration of a step like this, which would hopefully deplete the market, by natural attrition, to the point where tobacco companies would find their operation unsustainable.
UK Telegraph reorts on the hacking of climate science computor
“that Hadley scientists and their outside collaborators in global climate studies communicated to bias important climate reports by:
• Manipulation of scientific data;
• Concealing private doubts about global warming;
• Suppression of evidence;
• Contemplating revenge against prominent climate skeptics;
• Attempting to disguise the pre-industrial Medieval Warm Period;
• Scheming to marginalize dissenting scientists out of the peer review process.”
I’ve just seen some photos from this week’s anti-ACC bikers’ run to parliament, begging the question…did somebody misinform Phil Goff and Rick Barker that they were attending a Village People convention?
Lucky `Intolerant’ Trevor Mallard got the taxpayer to pay for his trip to London (and probably for his tcket too) to see a not very good All Black team beat a poor England team. No one, least of all `Intolerant Trev’ would have wanted to spend that much of their own money on such a poor game.
Speaking of Justice and the poor quality systems of old school Mama’s and Papa’s. Of losing the Privy council out home grown judiciary.
Medal lawyer’s battle cry
By David Fisher
4:00 AM Sunday Nov 22, 2009
Medals lawyer Chris Comeskey has mounted an all-guns-blazing attack on the judiciary after being ordered to give evidence against a man accused of breaking into the Waiouru Army Museum.
Comeskey has sworn he will stay silent, claiming lawyer-client confidentiality.
“Judges have become bureaucrats,” he said. The quality of their judgments, he added, was “abysmal”.
This week’s ruling came on top of a Court of Appeal judgment this month, in a case which featured accusations Comeskey misled the court. He now faces a tribunal that heard complaints against lawyers.
The final episode in the medals theft saga has been playing out in the Wanganui District Court, where a 40-year-old man was charged in connection to the burglary. Another man pleaded guilty to his role in the burglary and other charges, receiving 11 years in prison.
A total of 96 medals, including nine Victoria Crosses, were stolen from the museum in December 2007. They were later returned in a deal brokered by Comeskey, involving payments from a $300,000 reward pool.
Extensive suppression orders surround the Wanganui case, including the identity of the man and all evidence.
However, Judge Paul Barber, who is hearing the case, gave the Herald on Sunday permission to report that three lawyers – including Comeskey – are required to give evidence in a preliminary depositions hearing of prosecution evidence.
Comeskey, who had previously said he would rather be locked in jail than testify, told the newspaper: “I’m not giving evidence. We’re just being pursued by vigilantes in suits.”
Comeskey described prosecuting lawyer Lance Rowe as “that George Bush jnr lookalike prosecutor from that little town” and indicated that there would be a bid to overturn Barber’s ruling.
“There is overseas authority – it will be better analysed than Judge Barber has had the opportunity to do so in Whaaanganui [sic],” he said.
“We got summonsed down to Wanganui, we were picked up by the officer in charge, we were kept in a room at Wanganui. You felt like a petty criminal.
“It was bad enough having to go to Wanganui, to then be treated like that.”
Comeskey said he believed he had support from the New Zealand Law Society in challenging the order to testify.
“Judges have become bureaucrats. They’re only interested in streamlining the government resource and in doing so they forget that crucial function in delivering justice.”
He acknowledged judges did not appreciate criticism from lawyers.
“I just happen to think that the quality and the judgments … have become so abysmal. I think that they’ve parked their commonsense out on the window ledge.”
Comeskey also attacked the Court of Appeal’s decisions, saying they prove that the country should not have abolished appeals to the Privy Council in London.
“Quite clearly we don’t have the intellectual horse power that they do in England, we don’t have geniuses. We are mediocre in that respect. Because we are mediocre, we will get mediocre judgments.
“It’s just a nonsense. We have a substandard police force that couldn’t find iconic NZ items, we have a substandard Court of Appeal that can’t treat someone decently … (that) can’t treat a lawyer that appears in front of them decently.”
Rowe had no comment on Comeskey’s comments. “I’m not interested in responding to his opinion of me or judges.”
Former Auckland District Law Society president Gary Gotlieb said Comeskey’s harsh critique could result in sanctions by the Law Society.
“In the cold light of day he might regret those words.”
By David Fisher | Email David
Seems to me that the rigor expected from The appeals Court is severely wanting. My guess is that it comes from a serious lack of history in the learning of the participants.
Busted Blond over at Roar Prawn believes that “a few iwi, who are being manipulated by their lawyers for a very short term gain.” and that is why they are doing a deal with National over the ETS.
See folks Maori are the victims again they are being manipulated by the lawyers – Yeah right!
Maori lawyers of course Lucy.
All of course with the consent of the National Party Lawyers in the house. Unfortunately the Nats don’t have any NZ only principles to which to adhere so immediately crumble to some facetious Maori argument.
The economic elite have launched an attack on the U.S. public and society is unraveling at an increased rate.
You may have missed it in the mainstream news media .. but statistical societal indicators are reading red across the board.
Let’s look at the top 15 statistics that prove we are under attack.
1) The inequality of wealth in the United States is soaring to an unprecedented level.
The U.S. already had the highest inequality of wealth in the industrialized world prior to the financial crisis.
Since the crisis, which has hit the middle class and poor much harder than the top 1 percent ..
.. the gap between the top 1 percent and the remaining 99 percent of the U.S. population has grown to a record high.
2) As the stock market went over the 10,000 mark and just surged to a 13-month high, the three big banks that took taxpayer money and benefited the most from the government bailout ..
.. have just set a new global economic record by issuing $30 billion in annual bonuses this year, “up 60 percent from last year.”
Bloomberg reported: “Goldman Sachs, the most profitable securities firm in Wall Street history, had a record profit in the first nine months of this year and set aside $16.7 billion for compensation expenses.”
Goldman Sachs is on pace for the best year in the firm’s history ..
.. and it is also benefiting by only paying 1 percent in taxes.
3) The profits of the economic elite are “now underwritten by taxpayers with $23.7 trillion worth of national wealth.”
As the looting is occurring at the top, the U.S. middle class is just beginning to collapse.
4) Workers between the ages of 55 to 60, who have worked for 20 to 29 years, have lost an average of 25 percent off their 401k.
During the same time period, the wealth of the 400 richest Americans went up by $30 billion ..
.. bringing their total combined wealth to $1.57 trillion.
5) Home foreclosure filings “hit a record high in the third quarter (of 2009)… They were the worst three months of all time… 937,840 homes received a foreclosure letter” in this three-month period; ..
..“3.4 million homes are expected to enter foreclosure by year’s end ..
.. with some experts estimating that next year will be even worse.”
President Obama has enacted a $75 billion taxpayer funded program that has been a spectacular failure in stemming the foreclosure crisis ..
.. and has proven to be another massive waste of billions of taxpayer dollars.
6) 25 million people are unemployed or underemployed.
This means we have 25 million people who urgently need to increase their income, and they’re quickly running out of options.
The unemployment rate is expected to rise further and remain high for several years.
“The president’s chief economic adviser warned that the nation’s unemployment rate could stay ‘unacceptably high’ for years to come.”
The New York Times reports: “Americans now confront a job market that is bleaker than ever in the current recession, and employment prospects are still getting worse.
Job seekers now outnumber openings six to one, the worst ratio since the government began tracking….
” As this ratio continues to grow, it will lead to a further reduction in wages — average worker wages have seen a sharp decline over the past year.
Economist Nouriel Roubini, a man who accurately predicted our current crisis, just reported on unemployment stating:
“Think the worst is over?
Wrong.
Conditions in the U.S. labor markets are awful and worsening….
.. So we can expect that job losses will continue until the end of 2010 at the earliest.
In other words, if you are unemployed and looking for work and just waiting for the economy to turn the corner .. you had better hunker down.
All the economic numbers suggest this will take a while.
Jones wrote that, in compiling new data, he had “just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e., from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline,” according to a leaked email, which the author confirmed was genuine.
Isn’t it about time we ended this whole Kyoto bollocks and had an inquiry into the corrupt practices of climate “scientists”?
there was an article about it in the NZ Herald this morning:
Aha – the AP line is mischievous hackers trying to undermine the scientific consensus on “Global Warming”
I wonder how long until we get to the “fake but accurate” phase where it has become incontrovertible that the studies which “prove” the world is melting are scientifically flawed, shall we say but nevertheless the planet is in trouble unless we act now.
What will never see the light of day, if the elites can help it, is that these scientists are in the upper echelons of the IPCC and that this work has been the sole justification for the whole sorry climate change scam.
Furthermore any Science which contradicts these people has been buried, the burying of which is detailed in lurid detail within these E-Mails – as is the marginalization of those who fail to go along with the consensus.
But maybe the rotting corpse of Climate Science will create too big a stink for our rulers to allow and so this scandal will be not allowed to develop and the protagonists will be allowed to quietly retire.
Angelina Jolie’s dad, actor Jon Voight, has denounced our health system as causing “many deaths” in a scathing political protest in Washington DC.
His attack sparked a robust rebuke from Prime Minister John Key, who dismissed Voight’s comments as “the views of a protesting actor”.
The 70-year-old Oscar-winner addressed the crowd shouting, “We would be no better off than the European countries and Canada and New Zealand who suffer greatly from a poor healthcare system. Their rationing system creates many deaths.”
After the protest, New York Times columnist Gail Collins wrote: “It seemed a little weird when Jon Voight warned the crowd that if President Obama wasn’t stopped, the US would wind up with a healthcare system like New Zealand’s.
WTF ! ?..Jon who !..some old hollywood has been commenting on our health system !?….
Don’t forget starboard that Jon Voight played the guy who blew his brains out in “The Deerhunter” and the guy who took it up the butt in “Midnight Cowboy”.
Who better to pass judgement on the health system???
Hard to disagree with anything Chris Comeskey said he is right on target….All I would additionally criticise is the blanket of suppression imposed on the case.
UK Telegraph reorts on the hacking of climate science computor
Pita – Not sure where the Guardian stands on this now. One of the emails (1254751382.txt, 1-Oct-2009) make specific mention of their support for the Global Warming scam.
“Media reaction to the Yamal story has been rather limited so far. I’m not sure whether this is because people are trying to digest what it means or whether it’s “too hot to handle”. None of the global warming supporters in the mainstream media have gone near it. The reaction of the Guardian – to delete any mention of the affair from their comment threads – has been extraordinary.
The ‘Yamal story’ was one where data tampering (data for the famous ‘hockey-stick’ chart) was exposed by a climate scientist.
Johnboy, you need to think a bit deeper about this. You complain about being in the grip of leftism. Public monopolies on health and education are one of the main reasons the left have such a death grip on NZ.
They fool NZers into thinking that without government control of these extremely large sectors of the economy, they will all die and remain uneducated ignoramuses. Of course the opposite is true. The real purpose of public education and health is to cement the socialist’s hold on power, and to advance progress towards a one party state, and as usual, NZer’s health and education is sacrificed to this objective.
Hence NZers have rationed health care and an inwardly collapsing non functional education system.
Jon Voight is a freedom fighter, an extremely rare species in the moral and intellectual wasteland of leftist Hollywood. He speaks the truth.
That is the reason that there is such widespread opposition to public controlled health care in the US. The non-socialists recognise the real purpose is to further enslave the citizenry to the state. They’re not fighting because they do not want health care. They’re fighting because they know this is a key part of the socialist’s plan to destroy the US.
The issue is not health care. The issue is state control.
The left know that if they control health, this is a major psychological tool in any election. That NZ health care is public is one of the major reasons we have two parties that are virtually the same. It is cultural totalitarianism, and all key to the leftist’s plan.
An opportune time to go over some statistics about healthcare in the US as it currently stands:
In 62% of personal bankruptcies, healthcare costs have played a significant role
The majority of those bankrupted did have health insurance at the beginning of their treatment programme.
45,000 extra deaths each year due directly to lack of healthcare insurance.
This includes an estimated 2200+ army veterans, under the age of 65, who were too poor to afford health insurance, and who, if not injured in combat or if their income is above a threshold, are often ineligible for assistance from the Veterans Administration
Uninsured Americans almost twice as likely to die from emergency room treatment of traumatic accidents than their insured counterparts.
American healthcare costs are the highest in the world, yet the outcomes are well below that of comparable developed nations, eg Canada. Massachusetts, in particular, which enacted its own version of healthcare reform, is now reputedly the single most expensive place in the world.
The World Health Organisation points out that the best health outcomes occur in a hybrid state/private system, where the state is the major provider.
From CIA factbook:
Infant mortality: New Zealand 4.92/1000 live births, Canada 5.02, US 6.26. (US 27% higher rate than NZ)
Life expectancy: Men: US 75 years, Canada 78, NZ 78 Women: US 80, Canada 84, NZ 82.
Final tidbit: the US currently spends twice the OECD average of 8% of GDP, at 16%; Canada 10%. Anyone know the figure for New Zealand?
Hands up those who want us to adopt the American system!
STUFF TODAY:…….”The 26-year-old charged with murdering Hamilton man Jaycee Dallas Van Der Drift was on bail at the time.
Bryce Tamati Kapea, of Hamilton, appeared briefly yesterday in the Hamilton District Court charged with Mr Van Der Drift’s murder.
Kapea, dressed in a blue boilersuit, was supported in court by his mother.
He will reappear in court on Monday for a bail application.
Hamilton police confirmed yesterday that Kapea appeared in court on Wednesday on an unrelated charge of breaching bail.
Mr Van Der Drift died early Thursday morning after allegedly being hit over the head with a hammer and then kicked on the ground.”
…………………..Well at least he didn’t get name suppression as well.. The question now is will he be bailed again when he makes application tomorrow. Logic says no but our Justice System is nothing if not Illogical, and who cares how many he murders?
“In 62% of personal bankruptcies, health care costs have played a significant role”
Meanwhile, in NZ, and in the US if it is implemented, government run health care threatens, and eventually will if it is not privatized, bankrupt the government and every citizen. (the statistic is bogus anyway, other wise it wouldn’t contain the subjective adjective “significant” ) In fact all of the statistics are bogus. Some in their presentation, others in their causation.
The truth is Luc Hansen is a liar and a Communist who fears privatization of health care because he knows if it happened, the left would lose a major part of their political influence. Don’t think that propagandists like Mr. Hansen care for your health. They only ever care about political power. It is this obsession that underpins every thing he writes on this site. Every lie, and the infrequent truth, is designed to empower the left, and it is always cloaked in the same old same old altruistic deceit.
Public health care only receives 29% support in the US. Obviously, the American people see their current system very differently to Luc, but what would they know? They only live there, while Mr. Hansen rambles incoherently from the safety of his TV One framed existence in some crime ridden suburb of a country fast drowning in a stinking socialist sewer.
He wants to see the US destroyed in exactly the way he and his ilk have destroyed NZ.
I have begun meeting with some of the best minds in the country that believe in limited government, maximum freedom and the values of our Founders. I am developing a 100 year plan…
- All of the above will culminate in The Plan, a book that will provide specific policies, principles and, most importantly, action steps that each of us can take to play a role in this Refounding.
Glen Beck likes the founding fathers but he doesn’t like what they founded so he wants to refound the founding because the first one wasn’t founded right. Brilliant!
For those of you who cannot watch FOX News, and the Glenn Beck show (poor things, trapped in the web of stinking leftist deceit that is mainstream broadcasting in NZ) take a look at the first three sections of his show of Nov 18th at this link-
You will see why he is so hated and feared by the left.
Day before yesterday he did an expose of the corrupt Democrat Congressman John Murtha. A vile and slimy creep that if the mainstream media had been doing their job, would have been exposed for the crook he is a decade ago.
Rather, this scum has infested politics in the US for decades while the traitorous left wing media has of course looked the other way.
The left fear Beck for one reason only, and that is that he breaks their monopoly on information, and brings us the truth instead of the lies that their devoted mainstream media agents, those traitors to their profession, usually bring us.
Keith Olbermann- “Glenn Beck must be stopped.”
Check out the videos at the link above, and you’ll understand why the left fear Beck so intensely, and why they want him shut down.
Redbaiter, your wrong. Leftists would never stoop to making Nazi references. To prove it, look back at how peaceful and decent the protesters were when Melissa Lee spoke at Auckland University during the Mt Albert by-election.
A pearl among the swine droppings of Philu and Lucy Hansen, if you follow this link.
Stephen Franks speaks wisely on libel, and if you follow the links on his post, to other interesting pieces about gagging writs and how Winston Peters used them to shut down inquiries.
If anyone harbours any doubts as to the brain damage of Progressives, one only has to look at idiots like Billy who think that by referring us to left wing commentary, and the views of their media mates on who the Republicans should run for President, they will influence our thinking. Fuck off Billy, we need worthless advice from scum like you and the Melbourne Age like we need a hole in the head.
Listen Luc, until you can grasp the fact that the Washington Post (and ABC) is despised as not a newspaper but a treacherous left wing propaganda source, I suggest you go the fuck away and educate yourself. I’m not here to bandy words with brain damaged communsits with politically one dimensional information sources.
Listen Luc, until you can grasp the fact that there is no news but FOXNews, that there is no truth but birther truth and that there is no popular mass movement that doesn’t involve tea bags, you will never, ever become as deluded and stupid as redbaiter.
“All is not quite as it seems as presented by our friend Red.”
How clear does it have to be-
“Would you advise your Member of Congress to vote for or against?”
29% would advise them to vote against. And trending firmly down.
There is nothing “unclear” about that statistic. Now fuck off with your smears and lies.
And I’ve got no friends who are communists. Get this Luc, we’re sick of you and your lies and your obsession to control us, and we’re coming after you.
So don’t whine and bitch about being abused and not treated with respect. Those days are gone dirtbag. We know well today what you are, ( a threat to our democracy, our property and our freedom) and we don’t like you, and we want you gone.
“..Get this Luc, we’re sick of you and your lies and your obsession to control us, and we’re coming after you.
So don’t whine and bitch about being abused and not treated with respect. Those days are gone dirtbag. We know well today what you are, ( a threat to our democracy, our property and our freedom) and we don’t like you, and we want you gone.
Holy shit Batman, looks like Ron Paul’s efforts to have the Federal Reserve audited are moving into the realms of possibility!!! Now this will be the largest turd to hit the poor man’s air conditioning unit for many, many years if it gets all the way through. I can’t wait. OK Ben, what have you been doing with the money? C’mon, where is it? You’ve invested it in AIG for us haven’t you!
Poor Red, nothing can interfere with your delusions, not even facts. The poll summary was that support overall was tilting negative.
But my point was that Democrats are and have always been in support. And they hold the reins. However, as we know, in the US that is not the end of the story.
I actually think the rabid right, like you, have done an amazing job on the American public, and Obama underestimates Fox and Co at his peril.
Anyway, I see the Senate has voted in favour of debate so now the fun begins.
Which way do you think it will go, Red? Are you game to make a prediction?
The air waves are buzzing with the most important revelation of our time; the real activities of the architects of the Global Warming Scam. It has involved the hacking of multiple Emails from the Hadley CRU centre possibly by a whistleblower who cannot stand it any more.. They are very revealing. I hardly need to say more, since all of you are capable of putting “climategate” into Google and reading not only the originals, but the feeble excuses that the Global Warmers are offerring.
I suppose I can give you one example, the “Daily Telegraph” article at
Haha, Bonkers, you dumb dickhead. The FBI said there were no investigations taking place when Palin resigned. Keep up, sonny.
Sorry, Puke, the WaPo stopped having a smidge of reputability when it tried to derail McDonnell’s campaign with a 20 year old thesis – EPIC FAIL!
Phool, no one goes to your shit blog. Stop plugging it.
Owen, yep, the shit has hit the fan for the climate changers. The leftards are naturally trying to mitigate the damage by focussing on the nasty hackers but thanks to the internet anyone can look for and find the evidence of the smug bastards colluding to smudge the data. And don’t think this will be limited to East Angular.
Changing the topic – btw mixing with the freaks here certainly tests one’s sanity and self control, surely good for the soul – RNZ this morning carried interviews by Chris Laidlaw with Dr Mustafa Bhargouti of the Occupied Palestinian Territories and Dor Sapira, one of those unbiquitous Israeli spokespeople (Canberra based, this one). The latter made a nice change from the risible Mark Regev but his message was just as duplicitous and mendacious.
There was nothing from either side we probably haven’t heard before, although Bharghouti did make a very good point that Iran would have no influence on a united Palestinian Authority and would play no part in any eventual settlement.
But one point is worth exploring for those with an interest in balance. Sapira once again touted the tale of former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barack’s supposed “generous offers” at Camp David and later at Taba. This is a generous offer that has entered the realms of myth, deservedly so. The following link is a simple (because I know there are a lot of simple folk here) graphical illustration of what the offers really entailed and why they failed.
“RNZ this morning carried interviews by Chris Laidlaw”
Who the fuck cares what that den of unscrupulous leftist propagandists have to say about anything? Go and post your worthless shit at Public Address. Nobody with a brain around here gives a damn for anything coming from the mouth of Chris Laidlaw or from the transmission towers of RNZ.
They’re decrepit monuments to a fast fading corrupt and criminal leftist political dynasty.
“Sidestepping corruption charges” implies an investigation was underway and indictment was coming. It also implies said “corruption” ever took place. This is the worst defence for being comprehensively owned ever and you know it.
life-essential mineral depletion from over farming, weakening earth crust, bio-engineered plague, asteroids, ‘discovering’ C02 acts as an amplifier of solar rays.
Give me $100m and I’ll pull together teams of scientists to prove any one of these.
So let’s assume that everyone quits beleiving in AGW a week next Tuesday. What will the usual suspects come up with to replace it?
Do you mean what conspiracy? Reds Progressives Helen Clark Tony Blair Obama King Kong Muslims Military Industrial Complex Birthers 9-11-ers whoever you to slag off next under the bed?
The poster hiding behind the pseudonym ‘Luc Hansen’ suggests that truth is found at RealClimate. He/she is sadly mistaken. RealClimate is just a mouthpiece for the climate change industry. Witness Mike Mann Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC), and the bloke behind the tree-ring / hockey-stick chart fraud, advising his colleauges how to make best use of the supposedly independent RealClimate (RC) :-
Anyway, I wanted you guys to know that you’re free to use RC in any way you think would be helpful. Gavin and I are going to be careful about what comments we screen through, and we’ll be very careful to answer any questions that come up to any extent we can. On the other hand, you might want to visit the thread and post replies yourself. We can hold comments up in the queue and contact you about whether or not you think they should be screened through or not, and if so, any comments you’d like us to include.
You’re also welcome to do a followup guest post, etc. think of RC as a resource that is at your disposal to combat any disinformation put forward by the McIntyres of the world. Just let us know. We’ll use our best discretion to make sure the skeptics dont’get to use the RC comments as a megaphone…
The nutjob conspiracy theorists do make an effective smokescreen for reality – like
George making a goat of myself Bush, or
George I have kept the homeland safe since the biggest terrorist act that happened under my nose Bush
George are there WMD under my desk? Bush
George Heckuva Job Brownie Bush
George Mission Accomplished Bush
Scholarship English exams were held last week. One of the questions (‘Unseen Text’) was poem by a NZ poet.
Turns out the poet’s son goes to a wgtn college and, you guess it, he was sitting Scholarship English last week.
Moreover, the poem was quite abstract (based on several reports I’ve heard) .. but it was, apparently, about the poet’s son!
So, she would have known and approved the use of the poem well in advance of the exam. Did her son know before the exam (I suspect he did…) that his mums poem about him was part of the exam, and did he tell his wgtn college mates about what to expect from the ‘Unseen Text’.
I guess we’ll know when scholarship English results are published!
I’m hunting out verification of the Scholarship English exam post above. There is no question that the poet’s son sat the exam… so that’s the ‘best case’ scenario. Worst case is prior knowledge by her son and/or any other Scholarship English students around NZ.
@getstaffed (4238) Vote: Add rating 2 Subtract rating 1 Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:33 pm
The full context of the quote presented and the response:
One purported email says:
“guys, I see that Science has already gone online w/ the new issue, so we put up the RC post. By now, you’ve probably read that nasty McIntyre thing. Apparently, he violated the embargo on his website (I don’t go there personally, but so I’m informed).
Anyway, I wanted you guys to know that you’re free to use RC in any way you think would be helpful. Gavin and I are going to be careful about what comments we screen through, and we’ll be very careful to answer any questions that come up to any extent we can. On the other hand, you might want to visit the thread and post replies yourself. We can hold comments up in the queue and contact you about whether or not you think they should be screened through or not, and if so, any comments you’d like us to include.
You’re also welcome to do a followup guest post, etc. think of RC as a resource that is at your disposal to combat any disinformation put forward by the McIntyres of the world. Just let us know. We’ll use our best discretion to make sure the skeptics dont’get to use the RC comments as a megaphone…”
I’m not a sceptic (far from it…I’ve been involved in climate science for a long time and have been convinced about AGW for years) but I do think that this sends a pretty crap message to everyone. If RC is screening posts to push a particular point then it’s not that much better in that regard than a lot of the sceptic sites.
[Response: This is a moderated site, and always has been. We do screen out a lot of the random squawk of the blogosphere and the baseless accusations of malfeasance that are commonplace on open forums. We do that unapologetically in order to maximise the signal-to-noise ratio in threads. When there are technical issues that we aren't qualified to judge, we often ask people more involved to comment - and these comments appear inline with the questions so that the answers are not lost and are provided at the same time as the question appears. This leaves a record for later readers that is much easier to follow. We don't screen out comments just because they disagree with us (as is evident in any comment thread). - gavin]
Pete George @ 7:43 pm “The nutjob conspiracy theorists do make an effective smokescreen for reality
immediately followed by
– like
George making a goat of myself Bush, or
George I have kept the homeland safe since the biggest terrorist act that happened under my nose Bush
George are there WMD under my desk? Bush
George Heckuva Job Brownie Bush
George Mission Accomplished Bush
I’ve only just finished wiping my after dinner coffee from my screen
The poster hiding behind the pseudonym ‘Luc Hansen’ attempts to provide some context. Which doesn’t change anything.
From the Telegraph story, after cataloging a series of sins (Manipulation of evidence, Private doubts about whether the world really is heating up, Suppression of evidence) goes on to say:
And, perhaps most reprehensibly, a long series of communications discussing how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process. How, in other words, to create a scientific climate in which anyone who disagrees with AGW can be written off as a crank, whose views do not have a scrap of authority.
“This was the danger of always criticising the skeptics for not publishing in the “peer-reviewed literature”. Obviously, they found a solution to that–take over a journal! So what do we do about this? I think we have to stop considering “Climate Research” as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board…What do others think?”
“I will be emailing the journal to tell them I’m having nothing more to do with it until they rid themselves of this troublesome editor.”“It results from this journal having a number of editors. The responsible one for this is a well-known skeptic in NZ [GS; heh - is this Ian Wishart?] . He has let a few papers through by Michaels and Gray in the past. I’ve had words with Hans von Storch about this, but got nowhere. Another thing to discuss in Nice !”
It wasn’t supposed to be funny, it’s sad. But true, accurate and verifiable. Apart from the first one that whould have been more accurately George My Pet Goat Bush.
Bush never made such a statement. In the speech he made on the aircraft carrier that day, he actually said this-
” We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We’re bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous. We’re pursuing and finding leaders of the old regime who will be held to account for their crimes. We’ve begun the search for hidden chemical and biological weapons, and already know of hundreds of sites that will be investigated. We are helping to rebuild Iraq where the dictator built palaces for himself instead of hospitals and schools. And we will stand with the new leaders of Iraq as they establish a government of, by and for the Iraqi people. The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq.”
In other words, he never suggested that the complete mission was accomplished, rather that the major military effort using aircraft carriers, bombers and large scale weaponry was over, and he was completely correct in that assessment, and correct in what he said above.
Get Staffed [4239] Some good guesses there. One would be wrong to think they will give up and surrender. After all, the ‘global cooling’ crowd didn’t give up when that lie was finally seen for what it was.
I didn’t say that Bush said Mission Accomplished. But the are associated with him, they were organised by his PR handlers, and where an embarrassment to him especially when Iraq later turned to custard.
I guess you could claim he accomplished his mission of preventing a WMD attack by Iraq, but he could also claim he prevented the moon falling on the US too.
Ian Wishart is a prime example of unfulfilled potential. I liked his early reporting until he turned to all the conspiracy theory stuff – and pooing on his mates like JT.
I mean what scheme will they come up with to increase the power of government relative to that of individuals.
Interesting question. It is a natural tendency of just about any government to try and increase it’s power. It is also a natural tendency of much of the population to keep asking the government to provide more (roads, health care, education, policing etc). So it is very difficult to not increase revenue to try and cover expenditure.
Hurf Durf [975] Priceless. That would be a useful fill in for the Chicken Littles. However they need something bigger to
use so they can increase the power of government, and NGOs relative to that of individuals.
Assuming the recent leaks scuttle the warmist case that is. I’d give them less than six months to come up with another ‘global crisis’. Naturallly they would need to get some washed up ‘actors’ and politicians on board. Statist parties and politicians would buy into it. You can bet there would be a ‘blame America first’ angle. So that constituency would be on board. The MSM would jump on board immediately. So would much of ‘academia’. No doubt the UN would set up an Inter-Government Panel on insert name of crisis here.
Naturally the process would be more about advancing the Progressive agenda than actually solving the ‘problem’. Needless to say there would be new career paths for Progressives.
Extract: “The rest of the interview is just as intriguing, though, for its portrait of Lord Lawson’s solitary life in Britain and France – his second wife Therese left him last year – and of his views of climate change. He does not dispute global warming (I prefer not to use the phrase “climate change denier”, an attempt to slur people of admittedly daft views by association with Holocaust deniers), but thinks that we should focus on adapting to it rather than trying to stop it.”
I like the linkage of climate change deniers to Holocaust deniers. Just seems apt. Along with Evolution deniers.
And where Lawson goes wrong is his claim that the only strategy is adaption. In fact, we must both adapt to and combat climate change. The more successful we are at combating, the less adapting we will need to do.
Remember everyone, because you think ecosocialism is a cancer and because the overarching goal of anthropogenic climate change legislation is massive redistribution of wealth on a global scale, you may as well be a Holocaust denier.
Looking forward to it going tits up like acid rain and Y2K did.
No quote to support this summary of course. No doubt just more lies. Just like the left have habitually distorted and misrepresented everything said by anyone who challenges their cultural supremacy.
As usual that’s funny coming from you Red. I think you may have progressive projection disorder.
No doubt just more lies. Just like the left have habitually distorted and misrepresented everything said by anyone who challenges their cultural supremacy.
Everything by everyone. Wow, that much. I’m sure you will support that with all sorts of quotes.
When he received an advance copy of the speech, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld took care to remove any use of the phrase “Mission Accomplished” in the speech itself. Later, when journalist Bob Woodward asked him about his changes to the speech, Rumsfeld responded:”I was in Baghdad, and I was given a draft of that thing to look at. And I just died, and I said my God, it’s too conclusive. And I fixed it and sent it back… they fixed the speech, but not the sign.”
Pete George [2203] The power seeking you are thinking of is driven by welfare and privilege. I was thinking in terms of UN mandated stuff that adds to the power of government and NGOs.
But at one point, Bush showed a photo of himself looking for something out a window in the Oval Office, and he said, “Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere.”
The audience laughed. I grimaced. But that wasn’t the end of it. After a few more slides, there was a shot of Bush looking under furniture in the Oval Office. “Nope,” he said. “No weapons over there.”
After all, the ‘global cooling’ crowd didn’t give up when that lie was finally seen for what it was.
Yeah I remember that. Was it tied up with the concept of a ‘Nuclear winter’? The most important thing for goverments is to keep the great unwashed in the dark, fearful and open to being led. The AGW scam has been particularly powerful because it added ‘personal guilt’ to the list of emotional responses.
Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace introduced the subject (3/28/04) by saying that “the day after, some Democrats and the families of some American soldiers in Iraq, some who died in Iraq, said they were offended by this kidding about the missing weapons of mass destruction.”
So what? Both Bush and Rumsfeld were quite aware there was a lot more work ot do in Iraq. This helps my POV not yours you dumbarse.
The original point I made was simply that Bush is associated with the term “Mission Accomplished”. You called it a lie, and now you say proof of it helps your POV? Yeah, right. Who is hopeless?
“The original point I made was simply that Bush is associated with the term “Mission Accomplished”.”
Like you’re associated with the term “compulsive liar”?
That was never your implication at any time. As usual, you just didn’t have the information, and that’s in turn because all you ever have as references are sources that are just left wing bullshit.
Ha ha, even Fox sources are left wing bullshit? How right can you be?
You have never proven I have lied, and you rarely support your accusations with anything of substance. So you’ve swotted up on standard smear tactics. That’s the mission you have accomplished, ten years of smear, and nothing else to show for it.
“The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
- Club of Rome, premier environmental think-tank, consultants to the United Nations
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:05 am
Time the country had a serious discussion about drug ploicy, about abandoning America’s War on Drugs and treated drugs as a) a Health issue and b) set policy based on harm minimisation, not criminalisation.
Make marijuana, E, LSD easier to obtain, make alcohol harde to obtain and eliminate tobacco.
A couple of relevant articles to get you thinking.
http://www.johannhari.com/2009/11/10/face-the-facts-and-end-the-war-on-drugs
http://www.butterfliesandwheels.com/articleprint.php?num=440
http://www.butterfliesandwheels.com/articleprint.php?num=439
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:33 am
Billyborker : “… eliminate tobacco”
Why not make presentation of a licence, similar to a driver’s licence, a requirement for the purchase of tobacco products and allow the licence to be available to anyone over 18 years of age, but on issue for a period of three months only – so anyone believing they are dependent on, or addicted to tobacco may in that time avail themselves of the licence. After the 3 month period ISSUE NO MORE LICENCES – EVER – other than replacement of lost cards.
This will cater for those dependent or addicted now – the group always regarded as a ‘difficulty’ when bans are spoken of, but would make tobacco products inaccessible to new buyers.
There would be an inevitable abuse of the system, with black market licences, the need to provide for tourist smokers and other problem areas, but those would probably not outway consideration of a step like this, which would hopefully deplete the market, by natural attrition, to the point where tobacco companies would find their operation unsustainable.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:55 am
Hmm, here’s hoping the AB’s can find their attacking game sometime soon.
No real complaints about their defense.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:08 am
UK Telegraph reorts on the hacking of climate science computor
“that Hadley scientists and their outside collaborators in global climate studies communicated to bias important climate reports by:
• Manipulation of scientific data;
• Concealing private doubts about global warming;
• Suppression of evidence;
• Contemplating revenge against prominent climate skeptics;
• Attempting to disguise the pre-industrial Medieval Warm Period;
• Scheming to marginalize dissenting scientists out of the peer review process.”
I wonder when this will be detailed in our MSM?
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:19 am
I’ve just seen some photos from this week’s anti-ACC bikers’ run to parliament, begging the question…did somebody misinform Phil Goff and Rick Barker that they were attending a Village People convention?
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:28 am
Lucky `Intolerant’ Trevor Mallard got the taxpayer to pay for his trip to London (and probably for his tcket too) to see a not very good All Black team beat a poor England team. No one, least of all `Intolerant Trev’ would have wanted to spend that much of their own money on such a poor game.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:38 am
I miss the days when we won rugby matches by scoring lots of tries, rather than kicking and chasing the ball all around the field.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:38 am
The science of Global Warming is not “settled” it is “sorted” Heh,
Umm, make that “filtered”..
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:43 am
Thats right, Trevor is out of the country. No wonder the streets feel safer.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:54 am
Okay for you Captain Crab. I am in London and scared to go out until he flies back to NZ at the taxpayers expense.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:02 am
Speaking of Justice and the poor quality systems of old school Mama’s and Papa’s. Of losing the Privy council out home grown judiciary.
Medal lawyer’s battle cry
By David Fisher
4:00 AM Sunday Nov 22, 2009
Medals lawyer Chris Comeskey has mounted an all-guns-blazing attack on the judiciary after being ordered to give evidence against a man accused of breaking into the Waiouru Army Museum.
Comeskey has sworn he will stay silent, claiming lawyer-client confidentiality.
“Judges have become bureaucrats,” he said. The quality of their judgments, he added, was “abysmal”.
This week’s ruling came on top of a Court of Appeal judgment this month, in a case which featured accusations Comeskey misled the court. He now faces a tribunal that heard complaints against lawyers.
The final episode in the medals theft saga has been playing out in the Wanganui District Court, where a 40-year-old man was charged in connection to the burglary. Another man pleaded guilty to his role in the burglary and other charges, receiving 11 years in prison.
A total of 96 medals, including nine Victoria Crosses, were stolen from the museum in December 2007. They were later returned in a deal brokered by Comeskey, involving payments from a $300,000 reward pool.
Extensive suppression orders surround the Wanganui case, including the identity of the man and all evidence.
However, Judge Paul Barber, who is hearing the case, gave the Herald on Sunday permission to report that three lawyers – including Comeskey – are required to give evidence in a preliminary depositions hearing of prosecution evidence.
Comeskey, who had previously said he would rather be locked in jail than testify, told the newspaper: “I’m not giving evidence. We’re just being pursued by vigilantes in suits.”
Comeskey described prosecuting lawyer Lance Rowe as “that George Bush jnr lookalike prosecutor from that little town” and indicated that there would be a bid to overturn Barber’s ruling.
“There is overseas authority – it will be better analysed than Judge Barber has had the opportunity to do so in Whaaanganui [sic],” he said.
“We got summonsed down to Wanganui, we were picked up by the officer in charge, we were kept in a room at Wanganui. You felt like a petty criminal.
“It was bad enough having to go to Wanganui, to then be treated like that.”
Comeskey said he believed he had support from the New Zealand Law Society in challenging the order to testify.
“Judges have become bureaucrats. They’re only interested in streamlining the government resource and in doing so they forget that crucial function in delivering justice.”
He acknowledged judges did not appreciate criticism from lawyers.
“I just happen to think that the quality and the judgments … have become so abysmal. I think that they’ve parked their commonsense out on the window ledge.”
Comeskey also attacked the Court of Appeal’s decisions, saying they prove that the country should not have abolished appeals to the Privy Council in London.
“Quite clearly we don’t have the intellectual horse power that they do in England, we don’t have geniuses. We are mediocre in that respect. Because we are mediocre, we will get mediocre judgments.
“It’s just a nonsense. We have a substandard police force that couldn’t find iconic NZ items, we have a substandard Court of Appeal that can’t treat someone decently … (that) can’t treat a lawyer that appears in front of them decently.”
Rowe had no comment on Comeskey’s comments. “I’m not interested in responding to his opinion of me or judges.”
Former Auckland District Law Society president Gary Gotlieb said Comeskey’s harsh critique could result in sanctions by the Law Society.
“In the cold light of day he might regret those words.”
By David Fisher | Email David
Seems to me that the rigor expected from The appeals Court is severely wanting. My guess is that it comes from a serious lack of history in the learning of the participants.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:03 am
Busted Blond over at Roar Prawn believes that “a few iwi, who are being manipulated by their lawyers for a very short term gain.” and that is why they are doing a deal with National over the ETS.
See folks Maori are the victims again they are being manipulated by the lawyers – Yeah right!
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:47 am
Maori lawyers of course Lucy.
All of course with the consent of the National Party Lawyers in the house. Unfortunately the Nats don’t have any NZ only principles to which to adhere so immediately crumble to some facetious Maori argument.
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:02 am
this one is a toe-curler..
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/15-signs-american-society-is-coming-apart-at-the-seamsare-we-nearing-a-tipping-point-as-rapacious-elites-push-a-heavily-armed-populace-too-far/
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:11 am
FFS Phool, the GD isn’t a satellite site for whoar.
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:12 am
I wonder when this will be detailed in our MSM?
@Pita – there was an article about it in the NZ Herald this morning: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10610886&pnum=2
Isn’t it about time we ended this whole Kyoto bollocks and had an inquiry into the corrupt practices of climate “scientists”?
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:13 am
How the hell does that justify your life, bludger?
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:17 am
Pita:
“I wonder when this will be detailed in our MSM?”
And this:
http://zinowl.blogspot.com/2009/07/obama-born-in-usa-11jul09.html
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:19 am
From:
http://www.theenglandproject.net/wordpress/?p=279
……………………………………………………………………..
rogue gunner says:
March 12, 2007 at 4:19 pm
Goodbye to my England, so long my old friend
Your days are numbered, being brought to an end
To be Scottish, Irish or Welsh that’s fine
But don’t say you’re English, that’s way out of line.
The French and the Germans may call themselves such
As may Norwegians, the Swedes and also the Dutch
You can say you are Russian or maybe a Dane
But don’t say you’re English ever again.
At Broadcasting House the word is Taboo
In Brussels it’s scrapped, in Parliament too
Even Schools are affected, staff do as their told
They must not teach children about England of old
Writers like Shakespeare, Milton and Shaw
Pupils don’t learn about them any more
How about D Day, Dunkirk, Arnhem or Mons
Where England lost thousands of her very brave sons
We aren’t Europeans, how can we be?
Europe is miles away, way over the sea
We’re the English from England, let’s all be proud
Stand up and be counted- SHOUT IT OUT LOUD!
Let’s tell our Government and Brussels too
We’re proud of our heritage, the red white and blue
Fly the flag of St George or the Union Jack
Let the world know – we want OUR ENGLAND BACK.
THIS IS IN SUPPORT OF THE ENGLAND FOOTBALL
SUPPORTER WHO WAS ORDERED TO TAKE DOWN HIS ENGLAND FLAG-IT IS OFFENSIVE SAY HIS COUNCIL.
……………………………………………….
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:24 am
Yvette (325) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:33 am
“Billyborker : “… eliminate tobacco”
Why not make presentation of a licence, similar to a driver’s licence, a requirement for the purchase of tobacco products …….. ”
The billy coming to the boil?
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:33 am
Aha – the AP line is mischievous hackers trying to undermine the scientific consensus on “Global Warming”
I wonder how long until we get to the “fake but accurate” phase where it has become incontrovertible that the studies which “prove” the world is melting are scientifically flawed, shall we say but nevertheless the planet is in trouble unless we act now.
What will never see the light of day, if the elites can help it, is that these scientists are in the upper echelons of the IPCC and that this work has been the sole justification for the whole sorry climate change scam.
Furthermore any Science which contradicts these people has been buried, the burying of which is detailed in lurid detail within these E-Mails – as is the marginalization of those who fail to go along with the consensus.
But maybe the rotting corpse of Climate Science will create too big a stink for our rulers to allow and so this scandal will be not allowed to develop and the protagonists will be allowed to quietly retire.
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:35 am
Comeskey, who had previously said he would rather be locked in jail than testify,
..thats where he belongs…opportunist toe rag…
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:21 pm
A rationally skeptical (yes, it is possible) view on climate change
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/can_a_reasonable_skeptic_support_climate_change_legislation/
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Angelina Jolie’s dad, actor Jon Voight, has denounced our health system as causing “many deaths” in a scathing political protest in Washington DC.
His attack sparked a robust rebuke from Prime Minister John Key, who dismissed Voight’s comments as “the views of a protesting actor”.
The 70-year-old Oscar-winner addressed the crowd shouting, “We would be no better off than the European countries and Canada and New Zealand who suffer greatly from a poor healthcare system. Their rationing system creates many deaths.”
After the protest, New York Times columnist Gail Collins wrote: “It seemed a little weird when Jon Voight warned the crowd that if President Obama wasn’t stopped, the US would wind up with a healthcare system like New Zealand’s.
WTF ! ?..Jon who !..some old hollywood has been commenting on our health system !?….
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Don’t forget starboard that Jon Voight played the guy who blew his brains out in “The Deerhunter” and the guy who took it up the butt in “Midnight Cowboy”.
Who better to pass judgement on the health system???
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Hard to disagree with anything Chris Comeskey said he is right on target….All I would additionally criticise is the blanket of suppression imposed on the case.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Pita – Not sure where the Guardian stands on this now. One of the emails (1254751382.txt, 1-Oct-2009) make specific mention of their support for the Global Warming scam.
The ‘Yamal story’ was one where data tampering (data for the famous ‘hockey-stick’ chart) was exposed by a climate scientist.
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Johnboy, you need to think a bit deeper about this. You complain about being in the grip of leftism. Public monopolies on health and education are one of the main reasons the left have such a death grip on NZ.
They fool NZers into thinking that without government control of these extremely large sectors of the economy, they will all die and remain uneducated ignoramuses. Of course the opposite is true. The real purpose of public education and health is to cement the socialist’s hold on power, and to advance progress towards a one party state, and as usual, NZer’s health and education is sacrificed to this objective.
Hence NZers have rationed health care and an inwardly collapsing non functional education system.
Jon Voight is a freedom fighter, an extremely rare species in the moral and intellectual wasteland of leftist Hollywood. He speaks the truth.
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
You can get a better objective of Jon Voight’s political views fromn this video, if you can spare the time to watch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK2XyMYZ4T4
He needs support. Leave the denigration to the left, who serve it up in the usual intensely hate driven truckloads.
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:15 pm
True Red. And I really liked Midnight Cowboy and the Deerhunter.
Great Deerhunter quotes here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077416/quotes
Great Midnight Cowboy qoutes here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077416/quotes
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:23 pm
That is the reason that there is such widespread opposition to public controlled health care in the US. The non-socialists recognise the real purpose is to further enslave the citizenry to the state. They’re not fighting because they do not want health care. They’re fighting because they know this is a key part of the socialist’s plan to destroy the US.
The issue is not health care. The issue is state control.
The left know that if they control health, this is a major psychological tool in any election. That NZ health care is public is one of the major reasons we have two parties that are virtually the same. It is cultural totalitarianism, and all key to the leftist’s plan.
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:27 pm
An opportune time to go over some statistics about healthcare in the US as it currently stands:
In 62% of personal bankruptcies, healthcare costs have played a significant role
The majority of those bankrupted did have health insurance at the beginning of their treatment programme.
45,000 extra deaths each year due directly to lack of healthcare insurance.
This includes an estimated 2200+ army veterans, under the age of 65, who were too poor to afford health insurance, and who, if not injured in combat or if their income is above a threshold, are often ineligible for assistance from the Veterans Administration
Uninsured Americans almost twice as likely to die from emergency room treatment of traumatic accidents than their insured counterparts.
American healthcare costs are the highest in the world, yet the outcomes are well below that of comparable developed nations, eg Canada. Massachusetts, in particular, which enacted its own version of healthcare reform, is now reputedly the single most expensive place in the world.
The World Health Organisation points out that the best health outcomes occur in a hybrid state/private system, where the state is the major provider.
From CIA factbook:
Infant mortality: New Zealand 4.92/1000 live births, Canada 5.02, US 6.26. (US 27% higher rate than NZ)
Life expectancy: Men: US 75 years, Canada 78, NZ 78 Women: US 80, Canada 84, NZ 82.
Final tidbit: the US currently spends twice the OECD average of 8% of GDP, at 16%; Canada 10%. Anyone know the figure for New Zealand?
Hands up those who want us to adopt the American system!
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:30 pm
STUFF TODAY:…….”The 26-year-old charged with murdering Hamilton man Jaycee Dallas Van Der Drift was on bail at the time.
Bryce Tamati Kapea, of Hamilton, appeared briefly yesterday in the Hamilton District Court charged with Mr Van Der Drift’s murder.
Kapea, dressed in a blue boilersuit, was supported in court by his mother.
He will reappear in court on Monday for a bail application.
Hamilton police confirmed yesterday that Kapea appeared in court on Wednesday on an unrelated charge of breaching bail.
Mr Van Der Drift died early Thursday morning after allegedly being hit over the head with a hammer and then kicked on the ground.”
…………………..Well at least he didn’t get name suppression as well.. The question now is will he be bailed again when he makes application tomorrow. Logic says no but our Justice System is nothing if not Illogical, and who cares how many he murders?
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:45 pm
“In 62% of personal bankruptcies, health care costs have played a significant role”
Meanwhile, in NZ, and in the US if it is implemented, government run health care threatens, and eventually will if it is not privatized, bankrupt the government and every citizen. (the statistic is bogus anyway, other wise it wouldn’t contain the subjective adjective “significant” ) In fact all of the statistics are bogus. Some in their presentation, others in their causation.
The truth is Luc Hansen is a liar and a Communist who fears privatization of health care because he knows if it happened, the left would lose a major part of their political influence. Don’t think that propagandists like Mr. Hansen care for your health. They only ever care about political power. It is this obsession that underpins every thing he writes on this site. Every lie, and the infrequent truth, is designed to empower the left, and it is always cloaked in the same old same old altruistic deceit.
Public health care only receives 29% support in the US. Obviously, the American people see their current system very differently to Luc, but what would they know? They only live there, while Mr. Hansen rambles incoherently from the safety of his TV One framed existence in some crime ridden suburb of a country fast drowning in a stinking socialist sewer.
He wants to see the US destroyed in exactly the way he and his ilk have destroyed NZ.
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Sorry to be a pedant Johnboy… but Cristopher Walken blew his brains out in “The deerhunter”… Jon Voight wasn’t in the film.
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:13 pm
I have begun meeting with some of the best minds in the country that believe in limited government, maximum freedom and the values of our Founders. I am developing a 100 year plan…
- All of the above will culminate in The Plan, a book that will provide specific policies, principles and, most importantly, action steps that each of us can take to play a role in this Refounding.
Glen Beck likes the founding fathers but he doesn’t like what they founded so he wants to refound the founding because the first one wasn’t founded right. Brilliant!
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Glenn got you worried has be Cha?
Damn good. Worry away commie, for its going to get a lot worse.
Here’s a good example of why you and the rest of the left are regarded as such vermin.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2009/11/20/huffington-argues-glenn-beck-should-be-excluded-constitutionally-protecte
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:22 pm
aren’t that star-bored and john-boy as thick as pigshit..?
didn’t even know that voight shares their neandarthal/knuckle-dragger views..
(brilliant..!..)
and ‘big-red’ had to tell his evil apprentices..
that they are dumb-pricks..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:31 pm
For those of you who cannot watch FOX News, and the Glenn Beck show (poor things, trapped in the web of stinking leftist deceit that is mainstream broadcasting in NZ) take a look at the first three sections of his show of Nov 18th at this link-
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/glenn-beck-show-november-18-2009/
You will see why he is so hated and feared by the left.
Day before yesterday he did an expose of the corrupt Democrat Congressman John Murtha. A vile and slimy creep that if the mainstream media had been doing their job, would have been exposed for the crook he is a decade ago.
Rather, this scum has infested politics in the US for decades while the traitorous left wing media has of course looked the other way.
The left fear Beck for one reason only, and that is that he breaks their monopoly on information, and brings us the truth instead of the lies that their devoted mainstream media agents, those traitors to their profession, usually bring us.
Keith Olbermann- “Glenn Beck must be stopped.”
Check out the videos at the link above, and you’ll understand why the left fear Beck so intensely, and why they want him shut down.
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Redbaiter, your wrong. Leftists would never stoop to making Nazi references. To prove it, look back at how peaceful and decent the protesters were when Melissa Lee spoke at Auckland University during the Mt Albert by-election.
No.. wait.
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Here’s Sarah “Can’t last the distance” Palin reminding Americans why they rejected her last time.
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/wannabe-presidents-selfserving-double-standards-make-her-hard-to-defend-20091121-is5x.html
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:34 pm
With Palin, Bachmann, Hoffman, Robert Stacy McCain, Beck, Savage, Limbaugh, the Republican party eating itself, nothing to worry about RB.
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Here is the section of the Beck show that deals with the corrupt Democrat Murtha.
Watch it and then you will see why the left want so badly to shut down Beck.
He is doing the job the mainstream media have not done for decades. Since they fell under the complete control of the left.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7ERuJKPYWU&feature=related
Go Glenn. Stick it to these corrupt power obsessed soviet scum.
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:48 pm
A pearl among the swine droppings of Philu and Lucy Hansen, if you follow this link.
Stephen Franks speaks wisely on libel, and if you follow the links on his post, to other interesting pieces about gagging writs and how Winston Peters used them to shut down inquiries.
The Link:
http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:52 pm
A few quotes about Sarah “Dead fish swim upstream” Pailin, for Reddy’s health’s sake -
Levi Johnstone – “Full of it”
Andrew Sullivan “Has no grip on any form of reality but her own solipsistic fantasies”
David Brooks – ” A joke”
Foster Kamer on Palin’s book “A heartbreaking work of staggering bullshit”
Then, there’s always another dick Red would suck, Bill O’Reilly on FOX News who said “I don’t care about the constitution”
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:53 pm
“Here’s Sarah”
If anyone harbours any doubts as to the brain damage of Progressives, one only has to look at idiots like Billy who think that by referring us to left wing commentary, and the views of their media mates on who the Republicans should run for President, they will influence our thinking. Fuck off Billy, we need worthless advice from scum like you and the Melbourne Age like we need a hole in the head.
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:01 pm
redbaiter@1.45pm Public health care only receives 29% support in the US.
A Fox Noise poll?
A reputable source has it at 57% and, of course that’s averaging across both parties. Democrat support is consistently much higher than that.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/19/AR2009101902451.html
Now red, do tell, how’s that back of yours? Is it standing up to all the rigours of continually looking under beds?
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Poor reddy, still waiting for his copy of Who’s Nailing Palin, I guess. I got mine ages ago.
Why did she quit as Governor, again? Oh, that’s right, to sidestep corruption charges.
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Listen Luc, until you can grasp the fact that the Washington Post (and ABC) is despised as not a newspaper but a treacherous left wing propaganda source, I suggest you go the fuck away and educate yourself. I’m not here to bandy words with brain damaged communsits with politically one dimensional information sources.
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Gallup poll, taken at the beginning of November-
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/ybxhbjzg4k2wew2tk2khba.gif
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:16 pm
warble oodle..toke toke..oodle ardle..toke toke snort…oodle..inject…die…yippee !!
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Listen Luc, until you can grasp the fact that there is no news but FOXNews, that there is no truth but birther truth and that there is no popular mass movement that doesn’t involve tea bags, you will never, ever become as deluded and stupid as redbaiter.
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:27 pm
As regards Red’s 29%, I suggest people read the complete poll results here:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124202/No-Clear-Mandate-Americans-Healthcare-Reform.aspx
All is not quite as it seems as presented by our friend Red.
In particular, note that fully 71% of Democrats, when pressed to actually choose, would instruct their representative to vote FOR reform.
Aren’t they the ones who matter now?
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:27 pm
someone mentioned beck..?
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/colbert-skewers-beck-for-constant-tears-conspiracy-theories-general-insanity-its-like-looking-into-a-mirrorafter-youve-done-a-ton-of-coke-off-itvideo/
enjoy..!
(tho’..really..i thought ode-e-lay(?) was his best album..eh..?..)
stephen colbert ‘does’ beck..(tears and all..)
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:35 pm
“All is not quite as it seems as presented by our friend Red.”
How clear does it have to be-
“Would you advise your Member of Congress to vote for or against?”
29% would advise them to vote against. And trending firmly down.
There is nothing “unclear” about that statistic. Now fuck off with your smears and lies.
And I’ve got no friends who are communists. Get this Luc, we’re sick of you and your lies and your obsession to control us, and we’re coming after you.
So don’t whine and bitch about being abused and not treated with respect. Those days are gone dirtbag. We know well today what you are, ( a threat to our democracy, our property and our freedom) and we don’t like you, and we want you gone.
Just to make sure you’re “clear” on that point.
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
and for those who enjoyed those beck-laughs..
there’s lots more to be had..
http://whoar.co.nz/?s=beck
(south park do a ‘good beck’..
and there is one compilation deemed to be his top five most arse-bitingly bat-shit-mad moments..
enjoy..!
..share the laughter..!..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
“..Get this Luc, we’re sick of you and your lies and your obsession to control us, and we’re coming after you.
So don’t whine and bitch about being abused and not treated with respect. Those days are gone dirtbag. We know well today what you are, ( a threat to our democracy, our property and our freedom) and we don’t like you, and we want you gone.
Just to make sure you’re “clear” on that point…”
no no..not quite ‘clear’..
could you explain/detail that a bit more..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:55 pm
star-bored..!
you’re back..!
do tell us all again how jon voight is a dirty commie-leftie..?
eh..?
‘y’know..!..just to boost yr reputation as a ‘deep thinker’..eh..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:00 pm
re posted:
Fed to be audited?
http://tinyurl.com/ydohew7
Holy shit Batman, looks like Ron Paul’s efforts to have the Federal Reserve audited are moving into the realms of possibility!!! Now this will be the largest turd to hit the poor man’s air conditioning unit for many, many years if it gets all the way through. I can’t wait. OK Ben, what have you been doing with the money? C’mon, where is it? You’ve invested it in AIG for us haven’t you!
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Yeah here’s a quick video on that, kaya.
The Fed have got the Senate sewn up and if it gets through the Senate Obama will veto it. It won’t happen, but it should and I hope it does.
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Poor Red, nothing can interfere with your delusions, not even facts. The poll summary was that support overall was tilting negative.
But my point was that Democrats are and have always been in support. And they hold the reins. However, as we know, in the US that is not the end of the story.
I actually think the rabid right, like you, have done an amazing job on the American public, and Obama underestimates Fox and Co at his peril.
Anyway, I see the Senate has voted in favour of debate so now the fun begins.
Which way do you think it will go, Red? Are you game to make a prediction?
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:11 pm
philu (6891) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
“..Get this Luc, we’re sick of you and your lies and your obsession to control us, and we’re coming after you.”
C’mon Phil, I didn’t come into a blog to the right of Genghis Khan expecting anything less that what I get.
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:23 pm
CLIMATEGATE HITS THE FAN
The air waves are buzzing with the most important revelation of our time; the real activities of the architects of the Global Warming Scam. It has involved the hacking of multiple Emails from the Hadley CRU centre possibly by a whistleblower who cannot stand it any more.. They are very revealing. I hardly need to say more, since all of you are capable of putting “climategate” into Google and reading not only the originals, but the feeble excuses that the Global Warmers are offerring.
I suppose I can give you one example, the “Daily Telegraph” article at
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Haha, Bonkers, you dumb dickhead. The FBI said there were no investigations taking place when Palin resigned. Keep up, sonny.
Sorry, Puke, the WaPo stopped having a smidge of reputability when it tried to derail McDonnell’s campaign with a 20 year old thesis – EPIC FAIL!
Phool, no one goes to your shit blog. Stop plugging it.
Owen, yep, the shit has hit the fan for the climate changers. The leftards are naturally trying to mitigate the damage by focussing on the nasty hackers but thanks to the internet anyone can look for and find the evidence of the smug bastards colluding to smudge the data. And don’t think this will be limited to East Angular.
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Then there is the truth…
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/#more-1853
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Your right Pita. I always confused those two. Alzheimers is kicking in I guess!
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Watch “real”climate spin like the cocksuckers they are!
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Changing the topic – btw mixing with the freaks here certainly tests one’s sanity and self control, surely good for the soul – RNZ this morning carried interviews by Chris Laidlaw with Dr Mustafa Bhargouti of the Occupied Palestinian Territories and Dor Sapira, one of those unbiquitous Israeli spokespeople (Canberra based, this one). The latter made a nice change from the risible Mark Regev but his message was just as duplicitous and mendacious.
Here is the link: http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday
There was nothing from either side we probably haven’t heard before, although Bharghouti did make a very good point that Iran would have no influence on a united Palestinian Authority and would play no part in any eventual settlement.
But one point is worth exploring for those with an interest in balance. Sapira once again touted the tale of former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barack’s supposed “generous offers” at Camp David and later at Taba. This is a generous offer that has entered the realms of myth, deservedly so. The following link is a simple (because I know there are a lot of simple folk here) graphical illustration of what the offers really entailed and why they failed.
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/downloads/baraks_offers/barak_eng.swf
Please note that Gush Shalom is an Israel based, Jewish organisation.
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:32 pm
“RNZ this morning carried interviews by Chris Laidlaw”
Who the fuck cares what that den of unscrupulous leftist propagandists have to say about anything? Go and post your worthless shit at Public Address. Nobody with a brain around here gives a damn for anything coming from the mouth of Chris Laidlaw or from the transmission towers of RNZ.
They’re decrepit monuments to a fast fading corrupt and criminal leftist political dynasty.
Wake the hell up for chrissake.
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Hurf Durf (968) Vote: 1 0 Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Haha, Bonkers, you dumb dickhead. The FBI said there were no investigations taking place when Palin resigned.
And this is the same FBI that said of Nidal Malik Hasan – “Move along, nothing to see here, keep moving.”
Keep up, sonny.
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:47 pm
“Sidestepping corruption charges” implies an investigation was underway and indictment was coming. It also implies said “corruption” ever took place. This is the worst defence for being comprehensively owned ever and you know it.
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:04 pm
So let’s assume that everyone quits beleiving in AGW a week next Tuesday. What will the usual suspects come up with to replace it?
cheers
David Prosser
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:12 pm
DJP6-25 –
life-essential mineral depletion from over farming, weakening earth crust, bio-engineered plague, asteroids, ‘discovering’ C02 acts as an amplifier of solar rays.
Give me $100m and I’ll pull together teams of scientists to prove any one of these.
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Do you mean what conspiracy? Reds Progressives Helen Clark Tony Blair Obama King Kong Muslims Military Industrial Complex Birthers 9-11-ers whoever you to slag off next under the bed?
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Trig trutherism, DJP6-25.
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:33 pm
The poster hiding behind the pseudonym ‘Luc Hansen’ suggests that truth is found at RealClimate. He/she is sadly mistaken. RealClimate is just a mouthpiece for the climate change industry. Witness Mike Mann Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC), and the bloke behind the tree-ring / hockey-stick chart fraud, advising his colleauges how to make best use of the supposedly independent RealClimate (RC) :-
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Well elsewhere on this blog and over at the Standard the hot topic seems to be about how the Evil George Bush blew up the twin towers or something.
The reality based community can’t really cope with reality it seems.
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:43 pm
The nutjob conspiracy theorists do make an effective smokescreen for reality – like
George making a goat of myself Bush, or
George I have kept the homeland safe since the biggest terrorist act that happened under my nose Bush
George are there WMD under my desk? Bush
George Heckuva Job Brownie Bush
George Mission Accomplished Bush
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Ok, so this is wrong.
Scholarship English exams were held last week. One of the questions (‘Unseen Text’) was poem by a NZ poet.
Turns out the poet’s son goes to a wgtn college and, you guess it, he was sitting Scholarship English last week.
Moreover, the poem was quite abstract (based on several reports I’ve heard) .. but it was, apparently, about the poet’s son!
So, she would have known and approved the use of the poem well in advance of the exam. Did her son know before the exam (I suspect he did…) that his mums poem about him was part of the exam, and did he tell his wgtn college mates about what to expect from the ‘Unseen Text’.
I guess we’ll know when scholarship English results are published!
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Looks like Delirium’s losing it.
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:56 pm
I’m hunting out verification of the Scholarship English exam post above. There is no question that the poet’s son sat the exam… so that’s the ‘best case’ scenario. Worst case is prior knowledge by her son and/or any other Scholarship English students around NZ.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:11 pm
@getstaffed (4238) Vote: Add rating 2 Subtract rating 1 Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:33 pm
The full context of the quote presented and the response:
One purported email says:
“guys, I see that Science has already gone online w/ the new issue, so we put up the RC post. By now, you’ve probably read that nasty McIntyre thing. Apparently, he violated the embargo on his website (I don’t go there personally, but so I’m informed).
Anyway, I wanted you guys to know that you’re free to use RC in any way you think would be helpful. Gavin and I are going to be careful about what comments we screen through, and we’ll be very careful to answer any questions that come up to any extent we can. On the other hand, you might want to visit the thread and post replies yourself. We can hold comments up in the queue and contact you about whether or not you think they should be screened through or not, and if so, any comments you’d like us to include.
You’re also welcome to do a followup guest post, etc. think of RC as a resource that is at your disposal to combat any disinformation put forward by the McIntyres of the world. Just let us know. We’ll use our best discretion to make sure the skeptics dont’get to use the RC comments as a megaphone…”
I’m not a sceptic (far from it…I’ve been involved in climate science for a long time and have been convinced about AGW for years) but I do think that this sends a pretty crap message to everyone. If RC is screening posts to push a particular point then it’s not that much better in that regard than a lot of the sceptic sites.
[Response: This is a moderated site, and always has been. We do screen out a lot of the random squawk of the blogosphere and the baseless accusations of malfeasance that are commonplace on open forums. We do that unapologetically in order to maximise the signal-to-noise ratio in threads. When there are technical issues that we aren't qualified to judge, we often ask people more involved to comment - and these comments appear inline with the questions so that the answers are not lost and are provided at the same time as the question appears. This leaves a record for later readers that is much easier to follow. We don't screen out comments just because they disagree with us (as is evident in any comment thread). - gavin]
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Pete George @ 7:43 pm “The nutjob conspiracy theorists do make an effective smokescreen for reality
immediately followed by
I’ve only just finished wiping my after dinner coffee from my screen
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:13 pm
getstaffed
think straw
clutch
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:16 pm
“I’ve only just finished wiping my after dinner coffee from my screen.”
Why would you think such a pathetic collection of cowardly and untrue smears were funny?
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:22 pm
The poster hiding behind the pseudonym ‘Luc Hansen’ attempts to provide some context. Which doesn’t change anything.
From the Telegraph story, after cataloging a series of sins (Manipulation of evidence, Private doubts about whether the world really is heating up, Suppression of evidence) goes on to say:
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Great stuff Getstaffed.
These lying deceitful duplicitous bastards should be in prison.
Sharing a cell with Al Gore.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:29 pm
It wasn’t supposed to be funny, it’s sad. But true, accurate and verifiable. Apart from the first one that whould have been more accurately George My Pet Goat Bush.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:42 pm
“But true, accurate and verifiable.”
You lie. As always, you lie.
Take this one for example-
“Mission accomplished”
Bush never made such a statement. In the speech he made on the aircraft carrier that day, he actually said this-
” We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We’re bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous. We’re pursuing and finding leaders of the old regime who will be held to account for their crimes. We’ve begun the search for hidden chemical and biological weapons, and already know of hundreds of sites that will be investigated. We are helping to rebuild Iraq where the dictator built palaces for himself instead of hospitals and schools. And we will stand with the new leaders of Iraq as they establish a government of, by and for the Iraqi people. The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq.”
In other words, he never suggested that the complete mission was accomplished, rather that the major military effort using aircraft carriers, bombers and large scale weaponry was over, and he was completely correct in that assessment, and correct in what he said above.
You’re a liar Petey.
Want to go on the WMD one??
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Get Staffed [4239] Some good guesses there. One would be wrong to think they will give up and surrender. After all, the ‘global cooling’ crowd didn’t give up when that lie was finally seen for what it was.
cheers
David Prosser
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Pete George [2200] No. I mean what scheme will they come up with to increase the power of government relative to that of individuals.
cheers
David Prosser
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:58 pm
I didn’t say that Bush said Mission Accomplished. But the are associated with him, they were organised by his PR handlers, and where an embarrassment to him especially when Iraq later turned to custard.
I guess you could claim he accomplished his mission of preventing a WMD attack by Iraq, but he could also claim he prevented the moon falling on the US too.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:00 pm
@getstaffed
skeptics ARE cranks, so what your problem?
Ian Wishart is a prime example of unfulfilled potential. I liked his early reporting until he turned to all the conspiracy theory stuff – and pooing on his mates like JT.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Best news I have seen in a long time
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/11/21/world/AP-ML-Palestinians-Rockets.html?ref=global-home
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Interesting question. It is a natural tendency of just about any government to try and increase it’s power. It is also a natural tendency of much of the population to keep asking the government to provide more (roads, health care, education, policing etc). So it is very difficult to not increase revenue to try and cover expenditure.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Hurf Durf [975] Priceless. That would be a useful fill in for the Chicken Littles. However they need something bigger to
use so they can increase the power of government, and NGOs relative to that of individuals.
Assuming the recent leaks scuttle the warmist case that is. I’d give them less than six months to come up with another ‘global crisis’. Naturallly they would need to get some washed up ‘actors’ and politicians on board. Statist parties and politicians would buy into it. You can bet there would be a ‘blame America first’ angle. So that constituency would be on board. The MSM would jump on board immediately. So would much of ‘academia’. No doubt the UN would set up an Inter-Government Panel on insert name of crisis here.
Naturally the process would be more about advancing the Progressive agenda than actually solving the ‘problem’. Needless to say there would be new career paths for Progressives.
cheers
David Prosser
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Your just a compulsive leftist liar Petey. How many times is that you’ve had to try and squirm out of your lies with subjectively worded smokescreens?
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:38 pm
One of the world’s more famous climate change deniers admits to global warming…
http://indyeagleeye.livejournal.com/48121.html
Extract: “The rest of the interview is just as intriguing, though, for its portrait of Lord Lawson’s solitary life in Britain and France – his second wife Therese left him last year – and of his views of climate change. He does not dispute global warming (I prefer not to use the phrase “climate change denier”, an attempt to slur people of admittedly daft views by association with Holocaust deniers), but thinks that we should focus on adapting to it rather than trying to stop it.”
I like the linkage of climate change deniers to Holocaust deniers. Just seems apt. Along with Evolution deniers.
And where Lawson goes wrong is his claim that the only strategy is adaption. In fact, we must both adapt to and combat climate change. The more successful we are at combating, the less adapting we will need to do.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:42 pm
re Mission Accomplished
It was the banner above Bush’s rostrum on the USS Abraham Lincoln, May 1 2003.
He or his minders approved it.
He owns it.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Remember everyone, because you think ecosocialism is a cancer and because the overarching goal of anthropogenic climate change legislation is massive redistribution of wealth on a global scale, you may as well be a Holocaust denier.
Looking forward to it going tits up like acid rain and Y2K did.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:45 pm
No quote to support this summary of course. No doubt just more lies. Just like the left have habitually distorted and misrepresented everything said by anyone who challenges their cultural supremacy.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:45 pm
As usual that’s funny coming from you Red. I think you may have progressive projection disorder.
Everything by everyone. Wow, that much. I’m sure you will support that with all sorts of quotes.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:47 pm
“He owns it.”
Read what I wrote above you tiresome thick as a brick moron. Sure he owns it- because it was true and correct, and tied in with the speech he gave.
Leftists as usual, use it out of context in yet another attempt to deceive.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:47 pm
If anybody has a “disorder” around here it’s you pc petey!
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:51 pm
“I’m sure you will support that with all sorts of quotes.”
You’ve been doing it all day, not only on climate change but also on George Bush. Plain as day.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:59 pm
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:04 pm
So what? Both Bush and Rumsfeld were quite aware there was a lot more work ot do in Iraq. This helps my POV not yours you dumbarse.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Pete George [2203] The power seeking you are thinking of is driven by welfare and privilege. I was thinking in terms of UN mandated stuff that adds to the power of government and NGOs.
cheers
David Prosser
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:10 pm
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:14 pm
as they say, redbaiter
a picture is worth a thousand words.
And then there was the smirk
the smirk that faded.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:14 pm
And now Delirium crawls to The Nation. Oh, Delirium.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Yeah I remember that. Was it tied up with the concept of a ‘Nuclear winter’? The most important thing for goverments is to keep the great unwashed in the dark, fearful and open to being led. The AGW scam has been particularly powerful because it added ‘personal guilt’ to the list of emotional responses.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Hurfer, there are plenty more corroborations of that little joke about why he started a war.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace introduced the subject (3/28/04) by saying that “the day after, some Democrats and the families of some American soldiers in Iraq, some who died in Iraq, said they were offended by this kidding about the missing weapons of mass destruction.”
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1837
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:24 pm
“And now Delirium crawls to The Nation. Oh, Delirium.”
Don’t they make you puke with their sad attempts to impress by referring us to left wing bullshit??
CNN, FAIR, The Nation..???
Go way Petey, you’re hopeless.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:28 pm
The original point I made was simply that Bush is associated with the term “Mission Accomplished”. You called it a lie, and now you say proof of it helps your POV? Yeah, right. Who is hopeless?
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:34 pm
“The original point I made was simply that Bush is associated with the term “Mission Accomplished”.”
Like you’re associated with the term “compulsive liar”?
That was never your implication at any time. As usual, you just didn’t have the information, and that’s in turn because all you ever have as references are sources that are just left wing bullshit.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Ha ha, even Fox sources are left wing bullshit? How right can you be?
You have never proven I have lied, and you rarely support your accusations with anything of substance. So you’ve swotted up on standard smear tactics. That’s the mission you have accomplished, ten years of smear, and nothing else to show for it.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:47 pm
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK THAT’S ALL YOU DO REDBAITER ATTACK ATTACK WAH WAH WAH MUMMY WHERE’S MY BOTTLE
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Closing thought for the night – this from 1972: