Grrr #2

October 22nd, 2010 at 4:07 pm by David Farrar

My home phone goes off at 1230 am this morning. I stumble out of bed and answer it as it will either be something really important or the drunk Hungarian girl who called from Strasbourg earlier that day.

It is neither. It is someone called Rev Jones calling about my e-mail. He does not have great English and I am half asleep so it takes me a while to comprehend. I don’t know what e-mail he is talking about, and say so. He repeats his name and I say I really don’t recall an e-mail and anyway it is past midnight so can this wait until tomorrow.

He remains insistent, and finally he says something about the $5  million money transfer. It slowly dawns on me he is a (probably) Nigerian scamster. Hell – I didn’t know they were now calling random people to try and con them.

I politely but firmly tell him that I have never e-mailed him and that he is either mistaken or someone else contacted him. I tell him I am going to hang up now and being unfailingly polite I even say I regret if there has been any confusion.

Ten minutes later the phone rings again. I ignore it. He phones back ten more times over the next half hour. Finally I go stick the fax machine in, hoping a loud buzzing will drive him off. Sadly, the fax is too smart for my own good and won’t pick up on a phone call. So instead I just take the phone off the hook.

Around half an hour later – close to 1.30 am now, and my mobile phone goes. I reach over for the phone (which I keep next to the bed in case Andrew Williams is texting) and I see the number is an international one, starting with +234.

I ponder briefly. It might be the Hungarian girl. She did call on my cellphone. But the timing is suspicious so I turn my cellphone off. I check on the iPad what country +234 is from, and what a surprise – it is .

So far, he has not called back again. If he does I will just transfer him to the talking clock or something.

I feel a bit sorry for the little old ladies who fall for these . This guy was very very persistent. I also slightly regret that I did not try and have some fun with him – such as ask him to send me a photo of him holding up a sign saying “Nigeria is sad that Chris Carter is yet to visit us”. If the call had been during the day I might have been quick enough.

But I also reflect that someone out there must have forged an e-mail from me to this guy, giving him my home phone and mobile phone numbers. Unless it was one of my mates, this irritates me somewhat.

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30 Responses to “Grrr #2”

  1. tankyman (120 comments) says:

    if I get a call at 1230 – it better be a booty call.

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  2. ben (2,418 comments) says:

    But I also reflect that someone out there must have forged an e-mail from me to this guy, giving him my home phone and mobile phone numbers. Unless it was one of my mates, this irritates me somewhat.

    Well I wonder who that might be? Hmmm.

    Just kidding, boys.

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  3. Bed Rater (239 comments) says:

    There might be a phone number on http://www.efccnigeria.org/ that would be a far better transfer than the talking clock..

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  4. holdenrepublic (34 comments) says:

    Weird – I had a call the other night asking if my computer was running slow. They said they were associated with Microsoft and had a report from my PC saying it was running slowly. I said I was very surprised they had my details and should probably have thought of that before trying to scam me…

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  5. PaulL (6,029 comments) says:

    Yeah – I’ve had the virus call. We’ve had a log from Microsoft about the virus on your computer. I say “which computer.” Your windows computer. Really – can I have your name and phone number? What? Well, I have no Windows computers they’re all Linux. Maybe it’s one of those? Nope, I’m pretty sure my Linux computers don’t tell Microsoft that they have viruses, because 1) very rare for a Linux machine to get a virus and 2) if it did, I’m pretty certain it wouldn’t tell Microsoft.

    No way to stop them doing it though, and no apparent punishment. And I’ll bet it works too – lots of people would think it plausible that their computer has a virus, and that it has told Microsoft to call them. Probably give over their password too.

    Phone scams really annoy me. The content is almost as annoying as spam, but much harder to avoid than spam, so on net probably more annoying.

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  6. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Weird – I had a call the other night asking if my computer was running slow. They said they were associated with Microsoft and had a report from my PC saying it was running slowly. I said I was very surprised they had my details and should probably have thought of that before trying to scam me…

    Please tell me you didn’t fall for it as that is a scam.

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  7. JayMal (29 comments) says:

    An oldie but still a goodie…

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  8. John Q Public (14 comments) says:

    Whenever you get these money shifting type scams, just ask for the money to be posted to you upfront via cheque.

    You’re wanting to let me have some of the money you need moving? Great, send me a cheque for my share and I’ll be happy to do it for you once it’s cleared.

    That’s the last you hear from them usually.

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  9. anonymouse (709 comments) says:

    But I also reflect that someone out there must have forged an e-mail from me to this guy, giving him my home phone and mobile phone numbers. Unless it was one of my mates, this irritates me somewhat.

    Or they have harvested it off a website, or someone who you sent an email to was infected with a virus/trojan that grabbed the numbers and forwarded them on to some large list.- there are plenty of ways your numbers turned up on a 419ers list.

    I guess the cost of VIOP is now so low that it is now more cost effective to cold call you, as most people automatically junk emails from the “sons of former presidents who have 40 million in bullion they want to flee the country with and need you help”.

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  10. Guy Fawkes (702 comments) says:

    Just started on trademe.

    Cloning vehicles in NZ just sold, then re-advertising them at half price.

    The money is cheap as chips, but you have to transfer to a NZ account r Oz account to get to find where the vehicle actually is to collect.

    It ain’t there!!

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  11. RightNow (6,967 comments) says:

    Just leave your phone off the hook until you wake up in the morning.

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  12. Ross Nixon (614 comments) says:

    What!!!?!!! David, you *should* have take the $5 million! ;-)

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  13. Hagues (711 comments) says:

    “But I also reflect that someone out there must have forged an e-mail from me to this guy, giving him my home phone and mobile phone numbers.Unless it was one of my mates, this irritates me somewhat.”

    I love that it wouldn’t irritate you if you mates are supplying Nigerian scammers with you contact details.

    [DPF: Well that would just mean I would get to play a bigger prank back on them :-)]

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  14. holdenrepublic (34 comments) says:

    @Bevan – of course not :-D

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  15. Nicola Wood (57 comments) says:

    Does your contact info go out with your polling newsletter?

    [DPF: No, but my phone numbers are very easy to locate online]

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  16. Mark (497 comments) says:

    Bummer, should of told the guy to ring the Labour Party. Heh!

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  17. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Could it be an operative of the Nigerian Labour Party attempting to annoy you? These low comrades have friends (crooks and thugs) around the world in very dodgy places. :-)

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  18. Rex Widerstrom (5,346 comments) says:

    But I also reflect that someone out there must have forged an e-mail from me to this guy, giving him my home phone and mobile phone numbers.

    Did Chris Carter ever visit Nigeria? I suggest you sign a power of attorney in favour of Chris, but limited only to your interests in Nigeria, and then redirect calls through to him. He has the international experience and the background as a con artist to deal with this high-level negotiating.

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  19. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    Oh they have started using a Paypal scam.
    Had about 4 different emails of sorts with various promises and links etc.
    The paypal one appears to be from paypal and says that pp have had a request for a payment for goods bought via hostgator( a web host site in the states and a darn good one as well ) and that the request has been held up because it appears to come from Nigeria. But don’t reply to the email etc etc. What clinched it was that I don’t use Palpal for anything I do from that email address.
    Looked hard at it several times because it was dammed hard to know what it was about. Careful out there its a jungle of arseholes.

    Any way when you go to bed turn the bloody phone off. You are letting the phone and other people rule your life. That’s sad.

    If its that important you will find out when you wake up having had a good nights sleep. You really do not need to talk in your sleep.

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  20. abusskandar (2 comments) says:

    In anticipation of the next call (and there will be one), have a look at http://www.ebolamonkeyman.com. He has a special way of dealing with 419 scammers.

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  21. IHStewart (388 comments) says:

    Actually you are easy to contact . I haven’t even bothered to save your phone number to my phone although that is because I still haven’t figured out the phone and have accidently rung people on the other side of the world who unfortunatly know me and I wasn’t fast enough to fake a Nigerian accent. If I text you my number can you tell me if the drunk Hungarian girl in Auckland ? Has she got very low standards ?

    I am sure I can assist with this problem at no further cost to you in sleep deprivation. Will send you a text to help facilitate this at about 2.00 am should have finnished my meeeting with Andrew Williams about then.

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  22. Magnanomis (138 comments) says:

    What’s the Hungarian’s girl’s number?

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  23. James T Kirk (2 comments) says:

    ohhh, how much ?

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  24. Jeff83 (771 comments) says:

    God damn Magnanomis above post wins them all.

    I think the key message in all this is go go the Hungarian girl, and well done for when meeting her not making juevanile jokes about being hungry in Hungary (which is better than I did last time..).

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  25. Jules (37 comments) says:

    One of my aquaintances (not an old lady) had the ‘you have a virus on your computer’ phone call, and she gave them remote access permission to look for it!!!! Unbelievable

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  26. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    I was told years ago.. you will always be richer if you never except money you havn’t earned from anyone… anytime day or night… and money only becomes before work in the dictionary.. theres a moral in there somewhere.

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  27. The Stig (34 comments) says:

    Do you want Hungarian girl’s number?

    [DPF: Well as I think I invited her to a certain wedding in July it might be useful :-)]

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  28. tvb (4,319 comments) says:

    As soon as realise what the purpose of the call is I hang up promptly. Promotions, surveys get very short shrift, I am rude to them but they are trespassing on my time. I say something like “this call is a trespass – clear off”.

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  29. simpleton (194 comments) says:

    If you are fortunate enough to have a phone number display you can google the number that rings you and that can track back to other peoples complaints to that number.

    Being ” very elderly, dodery, confused and half cut+ ” and me constantly inane repeatious questions/statements for an hour or so (nothing worth watching on tele). They did run a tag team as I would be passed onto some one else as they thought they would be clinching the deal, but repeation, “who are you”, “where is the other lovely lady (Nag) who understood me”.

    I did manage to glean a phone number to reply back to that came up with all sorts of comments/complaints to it, and as I said I did not have computer nor bank cards but what bank account should a cheque go to and voila, on a follow up call they gave me the bank number account which I posted on a site where other people were complaining. I wonder what that bank (a NZ bank) made of the pebbles and rubbish, being deposited to that number, no stamp enevelopes, and probably other complaints?

    It was an obvious racket Get-a-way holidays or some such version with hotel/motel space time specials that was targeting people not only in NZ, also Australia and Canada and north west USA.

    I learnt a bit that people doing these calls are often from Middle East and VIOP and other versions with computerised systems are able to make these calls very cheaply. The phone number (country of origin) can be disguised that may show up. Was figured the calls were probably from Australia but were rerouted.

    At that time I had noticed that my answer phone was taking about 30 calls per day with just hang ups after my message for a week and I figure this was them when I answered. This continued for another week but then stopped .

    I understand that telecom or NZ phone can not stop these calls as they originate from overseas and their is no reciprocal prohibitions on this .

    Any way, collecting info on this becomes common knowledge and so gives us power in our differing responses.
    All be careful out there.

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  30. simpleton (194 comments) says:

    abusskandar(1) Says:
    October 22nd, 2010 at 8:06 pm
    In anticipation of the next call (and there will be one), have a look at http://www.ebolamonkeyman.com. He has a special way of dealing with 419 scammers.

    Scamming those 419 scamspters are really good value in gaining many laughs on a rainy day lol+,. and the time that it takes up for those scammers so more difficult to scam others during that time.

    If they are now coming thru the phone system perhaps a service such as the computer e-mails send things to spam file, then some one innotative could easily set up system do like wise for our phones. Unfortuanetly for me and many others can not get caller display.

    I will google now that I am thinking of it, but I fear it is not possible here in NZ, but can we track back phone numbers that rang us?

    Then if there is a problem with that number then we can lay comments at a site about it.

    What concerns me is elderly people and others being contacted , as my elderly Mum has been a number of times, and others even though unlisted number. Fortuanetly she is suspicious, but some callers have acted as if they are banks, power boards or telephone companies and from what I figure seem to want to confirm account numbers etc.
    I have geared her up that if any one that she does not know rings then she will tell them they should send a letter to her urgently and that they should already know her address, and account numbers and details.

    Also to be wary as the phone number they give, will go to a “patsy” set up.
    Much better to look up the phone number on an account or thru the phone book if you feel you must ring back.

    I have torn strips of a power company person when I found that they had rang my Mum and wanted some details over the phone. It simply is not good business in my book ! ! Regardless of privacy act that they tried to shut me down on. Done ethically and properly is just what I wanted. ! !
    Am I being too over cautious? These days just on an unsolicited phone call you can have your power, telecom, or whatever account, or company changed.

    Just figured too that I will have to warn Mum on not to ring 0900 numbers lol.
    my poor Mum will end up being totally paranoid, from the warnings of her son lol

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