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Paulus Gnome

New Zealand will sign the UN Compact

Listen to the Lair in Chief deny it with Mike Yardly standing in for Mike Hosking. (sorry, can’t find audio or has not been posted yet)

No prizes for guessing what the Friday 4.30 dump is this week then.

Those who voted Labour, Gunt and Fraud, hang your heads in shame for your part in the betrayal of New Zealand
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December 18, 2018 8:18am
- Souvlaki
  
  Where can I buy a yellow vest please?
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:22am
  - peterwn
    
    Safety equipment shops like NZ Safety/ Blackwoods have them.
    
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    December 18, 2018 8:37am
    - srylands
      
      Mitre 10
      
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      December 18, 2018 9:33am
      - MH
        
        there’s always one or two on most motorway, usually near a barrier on the overtaking lane, it’s just a matter of stopping, grabbing it and put it on before you or your car are crushed to bits. OK most are orange its the thought that counts.
        
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        December 19, 2018 5:25pm
  - MCos
    
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    I believe there was some sort of protest on the Main Street of Newmarket yesterday.
    About seven people.
    
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    December 18, 2018 8:59am
    - peterwn
      
      Were they protesting at Santa on one of the shop verandahs?
      
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      December 18, 2018 10:30am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Middle-aged and more conservative people, who are most likely to see the risks this Pact holds, have jobs and businesses.
      
      We need to keep reminding our National MPs to push back against the Migration Pact.
      
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      December 18, 2018 12:54pm
  - skyblue
    
    $2 Shops, Warehouse, cheap place on Rosebank Rd, Avondale.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:06am
  - Fletch
    
    The $2 shops have them.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:20am
- skyblue
  
  Let the influx of sand niggers start to rise exponentially. Mt Mosqueill will soon need 2 mosques.
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:50am
  - skyblue
    
    I hope you down tickers don’t have daughters, they will be magnets for Islamic sexual emergencies.
    
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    December 18, 2018 8:57am
    - oldpark
      
      @skyblue.
      I know a NZ family whose daughter was raped by a potential NZ Islamic Terrorist in Auckland.. He was given nine months curfew . had to be in between the hours of Midnight and Seven am. Plus some counselling and put on NZs Sex offenders register. . Yet on facebook he was photographed holding a rapid fire machine gun. The picture was shown to our NZ Police. They said nothing to see there ,move on.
      The rape by the offender was proven . yet look at the sentence. Could it be he was a Muslim. Surely not. hahahaha.
      
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      December 18, 2018 9:19am
      - stephieboy
        
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        oldpark, fairy tales time this festive season?
        
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        December 18, 2018 10:06am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Stuffy the Rape-Denier, as expected.
        
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        December 18, 2018 12:56pm
    - KH
      
      I downticketed your stupid post skyblue. You showed no class there at all.
      For the record I am against the UN migration agreement, and absolutely against New Zealand signing it.
      
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      December 18, 2018 9:46am
      - skyblue
        
        It’s the govt that is showing no class here. I was crudly pointing out reality in the new world order where the UN religion of choice will be Islam.
        
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        December 18, 2018 10:09am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        But not by using a racist term. The point of sensible people opposing islam is precisely that it is not a race, but an ideology that people should analyse and evaluate. Using the kind of language you used really doesn’t help.
        
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        December 18, 2018 12:59pm
    - stephieboy
      
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      skyblue, peace and goodwill to you this festive season of Christmas!
      
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      December 18, 2018 10:07am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        But not to rape victims, eh, Stuffy. You don’t believe they exist.
        
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        December 18, 2018 1:00pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    Make that 4 there are 2 there already.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:10am
    - skyblue
      
      Must be a lot of turkeys voting for Xmas. Xmas, while we still have it.
      
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      December 18, 2018 9:17am
  - freethinker
    
    Hope they have good fire insurance.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:18am
- Jack5
  
  Jacinderella and her “PR Think” gang believe people will have forgotten by the time Parliament resumes in 2019.
  
  If NZ signs, Ardern and Peters are traitors. (The Melon Greens are exempt from condemnation on the ground of mental incapacity.)
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:58am
- GazzaW
  
  Good luck to Peters explaining this to what remains of his supporters.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:02am
  - secondcumming
    
    *Ian Lees-Galloway* to make the announcement on Friday.
    
    One must wonder if he’s even read the fucking document, and who’s made written and verbal submissions prior to him making his decision?
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:14am
    - GazzaW
      
      He’s read between the lines.
      
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      December 18, 2018 9:48am
      - Woz
        
        Jethro reads between the lines. Does a line. Reads half a page of the Fishing News. Does another line…
        
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        December 18, 2018 10:10am
  - srylands
    
    It really would be extraordinary for New Zealand First to support it.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:35am
    - secondcumming
      
      baubles, bangles and beads.
      
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      December 18, 2018 9:39am
      - kevn
        
        @sc.. You can add a Knighthood to the baubles.
        whinney really hankers for one of them.
        
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        December 18, 2018 11:01am
    - GazzaW
      
      Every man has his price srylands. Some more than others. What is 30 pieces of silver worth these days?
      
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      December 18, 2018 9:50am
      - tf78
        
        GazzaW it’s worth exactly one, once beautiful country.
        
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        December 18, 2018 10:24am
  - rockape
    
    He doesnt care, he wont be standing( one way or the other) by 2020.
    
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    December 18, 2018 5:44pm
- Doubledimp
  
  Yes I went onto “getstuffed” and pointed out this was essentially a policy change without debate, scrutiny or consultation. Needless to say, my comment got spiked.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:03am
  - srylands
    
    I have given up trying to comment on stuff. My comments never appear. I must be blacklisted. No idea why.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:36am
    - dave_c_
      
      Thinking minds, and those who can string a cohesive argument together, need not apply !
      
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      December 18, 2018 9:42am
- Jack5
  
  Red Radio reports the Prime Minisda says the Gummint needs to take urgent action to protect migrant workers.
  
  Jacinderella doesn’t give a rat’s arse about protecting national borders – just the slave labour.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:20am
- RF
  
  Useless lying two faced bitch…..
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:26am
- backster
  
  I don’t think she knows what is going on or what the document says, hoping that that absolves her of accountability. She places the burdon of responsibility on Slease Galloway who couldn’t even read or comprehend a simple Immigration document concerning a friend of a friend of hers. Greedy Winston looks in searching for baubles, and never reads anything anyway.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:45am
- rockape
  
  So how does the UN compact sit with the treaty of Waitangi re no special privileges?
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:59am
Nostradamus

Pervert: Nathan Gunn

“Parents of young children inevitably have to take them to the shops … and they just have no choice but to take their eyes off their children from time to time while they’re attending to their shopping,” Judge Glancy said. “I suspect that you fall into the category of parents’ pretty worst nightmare.”

“PERVERTS” is researched and presented by ShoppingMallWatch (a division of Stephieboy Productions),
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December 18, 2018 8:21am
igm

Bloody wonderful how CoL can fund PI’s overseas retirement funds, pay deadbeats for smoking “P” in state houses, give bogus refugees houses, life-long income (most do not work); pay girls to breed ferals, let a buffoon run around the country giving $millions to his bros, etc, etc, but not give a cent to this worthwhile cause . . .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/109412631/manawat-canteen-branch-to-close-in-cancer-charitys-national-restructure
What a disgrace!
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December 18, 2018 8:21am
artemisia

Healthy Homes Guarantee Act – is Mr Twyford deliberately misleading us? So (finally) someone has delved into the NZIER cost benefit analysis, and come up with several interesting conclusions. Just a few but many more in the document linked below.

– NZIER’s cost benefit analysis is ‘client friendly’. (Read between the lines.)
– Huge numbers of rentals are cold and damp. However –

A comprehensive survey by Building Research Association New Zealand found that only 2.7 percent of tenants thought that their rental was cold and damp. Of that percentage it was not clear what proportion was due to inadequate use of heating and a failure to ventilate by tenants.

– We can trust NZIER amd MBIE to do a decent cost benefit analysis. Hmmm, maybe not …. especially when NZIER were apparently directed by MBIE to leave some things out of the analysis eg underfloor insulation.

Cost benefit outcomes are negative not positive The NZIER’s cost benefit analyses of the proposals were generally ‘client friendly’. Key ‘unhelpful’ documents were sometimes ignored, costs were systematically understated, and unrealistic methodologies were adopted that overstated the net benefits. Our assessments of the net benefits is that they are strongly negative

http://www.tailrisk.co.nz/documents/NZIER_CostBenefitAnalysis.pdf
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December 18, 2018 8:22am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  govt consultants are mystical creatures that are handed answers by the govt so that they may, after a suitable interval, hand those same answers back accompanied by a large invoice.
  
  In many ways the same as studying the humanities when the real task is to divine and then flatter the beliefs (however ridiculous) of the people who do the marking.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:01am
- srylands
  
  I think the case for insulation is strongly positive. Makes a huge difference. After that it gets trickier. When I have rented places I would never live in a home that relied on plug in portable heaters. But I like being warm and can pay the bills.
  
  But I have seen high quality properties covered in mould because the tenants refuse to use the heating because they can’t or won’t pay the power bills. And most importantly they leave the windows and curtains closed all winter. So inevitably, landlords will be installing heat pumps that don’t get used. Or there will be a second round effect where the landlord insulates and does the heat pumps and renovates. Then up goes the rent and the incumbent tennant needs to move out.
  
  Then there is the scenario where the landlord simply exits and puts the house on the market as is. It gets snapped up by a first home buyer. Who of course is not required to meet the healthy homes standard.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:48am
  - artemisia
    
    The case for insulation can be strongly positive. But it does need occupants to provide heat. If they don’t then the insulation will not be a lot of use. A bit, but not a lot.
    
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    December 18, 2018 10:13am
  - Tall Man
    
    However, you loose less than 10% of total heat through the floor in a normal house. The old silver paper sisalation used to provide 95% of the insulation of either blankets or foam but it’s no longer used because fuckwits keep stapling the paper through underfloor wiring.
    
    Imagine total house heating account being 50% of the power bill which seems to average $200 per month so approx $10 per month lost through the floor or $120 per annum or $1200 for 10 years which is still less than the average cost for retrofitted underfloor insulation.
    
    Therefore…a waste of money in my book and a decent carpet and underlay solves the bulk of the problem anyway.
    
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    December 18, 2018 3:14pm
Notsofast

Helen Winkelmann is an interesting appointment to chief justice.
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December 18, 2018 8:25am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Why? Is she a Lundy fan?
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:31am
  - Notsofast
    
    No.
    
    “For the reasons we have set out we are sure of Mr Lundy’s guilt “
    
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    December 18, 2018 8:41am
    - Nostradamus
      
      Notsofast on 6 October 2018:
      
      I attended the appeal of Mark Lundy, and Helen Winkelmann j was convinced of Mark’s innocence. This is a statement of fact.
      
      It was a statement of opinion. An incorrect one as it turned out.
      
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      December 18, 2018 8:45am
      - Notsofast
        
        This is where it gets tricky. She was seen as an ally (his word I believe) by Mike White who was also there. I was convinced that she ruled out the guilt of Lundy, I was not alone, but I was wrong.
        
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        December 18, 2018 8:49am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Notsofast:
        
        Who is Mike White?
        
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        December 18, 2018 8:55am
      - Notsofast
        
        Mike White is a North and South journalist who has seen every document on the Lundy case. He must speak for himself on what he believes. He is close to the defence. Here is a story that is factual.
        
        http://www.lundytruth.co.nz/files/NS-lundy.pdf
        
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        December 18, 2018 9:01am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  It’s a man’s turn!
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:33am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    If you’re into identity politics, perhaps. If you’re into appointments by merit, no.
    
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    December 18, 2018 1:12pm
- KevOB
  
  In the high constitutional role I would have preferred a male to take a turn. However the appointees observations about access to justice are very welcome.
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:34am
- hello
  
  I’ve heard that she’s been appealed a fair few times, but I don’t really know much about her. Any lawyers have a take?
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:40am
  - Nookin
    
    I rate her highly. I believe that this is an excellent appointment.
    
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    December 18, 2018 8:49am
  - Huevon
    
    By all accounts, an outstanding judge. Stephen Kos was the only other serious contender, but there was no way a man was ever going to get that job under this government.
    
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    December 18, 2018 8:59am
  - alex Masterley
    
    No issues from me.
    She has been and remains a good Judge.
    I wonder if the tenor of SC judgments will change when Justice Elias walks out the door.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:13am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I have not been happy with since her ruling on Stephen Dudley especially the name suppression.
      
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      December 18, 2018 9:38am
      - backster
        
        There was also a case where an 18yo thug almost killed a 15 yo on a rugby field and she discharged him without conviction for the usual spurious excuse. Public outrage at the time.
        
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        December 18, 2018 9:56am
  - Notsofast
    
    Here is a report from an attendee at the criminal bar association conference
    
    Winkelmann presented extensively…
    
    Winkelmann observed in her presentation that criminal appeal success rates had declined markedly (Ive lost the figure but it has gone from something like 43% percent successful or partially successful in 2002 to something like 28% in 2017, which is statistically significant. There wasn’t any real insight as to why (for example, no obvious correlation with legal aid changes), though generally the thrust was that she wanted to see more appeals, particularly as to sentencing.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:23am
- Jack5
  
  Well Winkelmann’s an interesting name, Mark.
  
  Der winkel – “corner,” even “angle”
  
  Do you reckon Helen might winkel you out of clink-el?
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:25am
  - Notsofast
    
    Helen just sealed his immediate fate in the judgement, and now as chief justice and supreme court judge looks empowered to permanently seal his fate.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:38am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yay for Helen
      
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      December 18, 2018 9:40am
      - Notsofast
        
        Yes yay for Helen.
        She has a fine legal mind, hit law school running flew to the top.
        Still, what is Mark Lundy to make of this? He maintains he is innocent yet the new chief justice says she is sure he is guilty. Her questioning in the appeal court led all to believe she was sure he was innocent, so something happened, something changed. Should we be comfortable about this, or profoundly disturbed.
        
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        December 18, 2018 10:10am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Comfortable
        
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        December 18, 2018 10:12am
- DigNap15
  
  Why is it interesting?
  A should have been a man with some balls!
  
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  December 18, 2018 12:36pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Nah, appoint by merit.
    
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    December 18, 2018 1:15pm
  - Notsofast
    
    It is interesting because a few people including her, have deep inside knowledge of the Lundy case.
    What she signed as an appeal court judge and what she knows is true are irreconcilable.
    
    This is very interesting, and has far reaching ramifications that are on schedule for being confronted.
    
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    December 18, 2018 4:42pm
secondcumming

*BREAKING* – STUFF NZ reports:

‘Environmentalists want to take crayfish off the menu this Christmas, with a three-year ban on catching the delicacy in the Hauraki Gulf. The Government is currently considering whether to slash the daily allowance for recreational fishers from six to three lobsters…..’

I used to catch crays once and sell them to restaurants…….worst job I ever had.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a_UKKvUcoE

[CAUTION]
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December 18, 2018 8:26am
Lance

No TV1 coverage at all of the colossal achievement by Rocket Labs on their successful launch of NASA’s 13 cubesats.
At least Prime news gave it a decent covering.

That’s both of the last 2 launches ignored by TV1, rather they put put on inane drivel and crap. Methinks they hate Rocket Lab for some perverted reason?
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December 18, 2018 8:28am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Saw it on TV3. Why would I watch Government TV?
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:33am
  - Harkman
    
    I only pay attention to the weather and that is seldom accurate.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:05am
- Im Right
  
  “Methinks they hate Rocket Lab for some perverted reason?”, perhaps because they haven’t given the company any money?, you can be assured if Rocket Lab had even a dollar of Govt money the PM would be there for a photo shoot at the latest launch. Labour are only interested in virtue signalling and any company/project they have given money to or intend giving money to.
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:34am
  - waikatogirl
    
    No corporate sponsorship or advertising bought from TVNZ.
    
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    December 18, 2018 8:43am
- igm
  
  They also will not report on South African problems, in fact, if it is not verbatim from CNN, Washington Post, New York Times, it appears we are to be starved of any news that may affect their vile agendas.
  Do not buy any goods retailed by advertisers supporting these bastards . . . it may take time but it will work.
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:35am
- VicParking
  
  Not only that the failing newspapers headline said that Rocket labs was lunching a rocket during a time when the airways were full of passanger planes.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12175990
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:36am
  - backster
    
    And now Winston is going to sign a UN document that bans the media from being critical of immigration……Hypocrite .
    
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    December 18, 2018 10:00am
- KevOB
  
  No room. TV1 need space for their compulsory Trump put down. Relations with the USA must be maintained to satisfy commie dogma.
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Newshub has the low-down on the Yank spy-ware it launches.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/12/has-rocket-lab-made-new-zealand-a-launch-pad-for-united-states-defence-satellites.html
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:08am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    NZ has signed its sovereignty away with this US-owned venture.
    
    No other lot in NZ will ever be able to launch rockets/satellites without it having to be approved by the US.
    
    The agreement requires the US to provide a written statement about spacecraft it proposes to launch from New Zealand, but precludes New Zealand from launching any spacecraft that the US deems contrary to its laws or policies.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:39am
    - KevOB
      
      That surely is a private contractual arrangement between the company and the USA?
      
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      December 18, 2018 10:37am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No.
        The Agreement is between the NZ Government and the US Government
        
        https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz-us-technology-safeguards-agreement-reached
        
        The USA can now override any other company/person who wants to launch their own spacecraft from NZ.
        
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        December 18, 2018 11:37am
  - Paulus
    
    If it has any association with the USA then close it down as commented by the Green Party.
    It may be used to launch US Military satellites.
    In fact it is heavily financed from the USA, but I doubt that Rocket Lab has any idea of the satellites it is launching.
    They are a rocket launching company.
    
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    December 18, 2018 1:30pm
- Harkman
  
  Well it’s not bad news for Trump or pro unions so One will ignore it.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:09am
- KH
  
  TV1 didn’t set out to ignore it. It’s just they would have to get to Mahia to film and that’s remote. Far easier to blab on about Lime scooters parked at the bottom of the office steps.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:51am
  - Lance
    
    There was great press releases, high quality video available etc from Rocket Labs
    
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    December 18, 2018 1:26pm
- kevn
  
  @Lance… Another Callaghan Innovation start-up success.
  
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  December 18, 2018 11:03am
  - noskire
    
    One of the initial investors is a chap by the name of Mark Rocket (yes, Rocket). He made a heap of coin selling his online tourism directory to the Yellow Pages Group – it’s probably worth feck all now. He was also one of the first people to buy a seat on one of Branson’s commercial space flights – not sure that was money well spent.
    
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    December 18, 2018 11:25am
- toby1845
  
  Given that the entire TVNZ news room is already in outer space, they probably don’t regard anything Rocketlab does as an achievement.
  
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  December 18, 2018 11:43am
flipper

I see that numbskull Dann is following the “progressive view” of the world economy and predicting a horrendous, that is worse than the GFC, world financial crisis.
But the reality is that the problems really boil down to China that is in economic trouble because many folks have eventually had Trump’s courage and are challenging China on trade and financial matters. Meanwhile the other leg of the chair that has broken and in urgent need of remedial splints is the EU. All their delusional beliefs that they are “bigger and better than the US of A” on finance, trade et al has gone to the bonfires in the shape of Brexit and silly little Macron. What Brussels fails to understand is that the EEC has now morphed into a beast that will be slain by St George …. Sooner or later!
But hang on, Pompeo is waiting with bated breath to get answers to the world’s problems from the ever-pissed double dipper from St Mary’s Bay. Who, you ask? Try the known liar, Peters.
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December 18, 2018 8:30am
- sam green
  
  “Double dipper”? Is that like “fraudster”?
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:33am
  - flipper
    
    Is that your interpretation?
    It is not mine.
    But the Deputy Prime Minister should not double dip.
    
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    December 18, 2018 8:41am
  - Jack5
    
    ?Sam Green is up early today. Usually he slides in with a one liner late at night or early in the morning. No argument. No facts. Just a quick snide, sneer, then off.
    
    How about putting up an argument on something today, Sam? I think in the past you have defended temporary migrant labour.
    
    Have you something worthwhile to say about the slave labour case on the North Island east coast (as I recall, you have, or had, some association with use of horticulture labour)?
    
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    December 18, 2018 10:53am
    - sam green
      
      It’s fucking disgusting Jack5 and the perpetrator should be jailed for a very long time, preferably in a Samoan prison.
      
      I defend the RSE scheme because it is on the whole well run benefiting both the agricultural sector and the participating developing countries. There are checks and balances in place within that scheme.
      
      This incident was not part of RSE. Any orchards who participated in his slavery and human trafficking should be investigated and prosecuted if it is found they acted outside of NZ labour and immigration laws.
      
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      December 18, 2018 12:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        Thank you, Sam. ?
        
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        December 18, 2018 12:28pm
      - realityczech
        
        Spam, This is what happens if you don’t control immigration very carefully. A lesson learned eh?
        
        This is why work and wages have improved so dramatically under the great leader – Trump.
        
        I am sure you want that for NZ too Spam.
        
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        December 18, 2018 12:37pm
      - stephieboy
        
        rc,
        
        This is why work and wages have improved so dramatically under the great leader – Trump.
        
        “dramatically?” Said like a devout true believer.
        
        Dramatic improvement in minimum wage laws and other worker protections?
        
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        December 18, 2018 1:26pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hey Ratface Ralph, don’t know why you’re going on about ‘true believers’ and ‘devotion’given your hypocrisy about being a Christian.
        What is St Albans thinking letting a proven perv like you do a reading!
        FFS
        
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        December 18, 2018 1:40pm
    - Paulus
      
      Slave Labour for 30 years ?
      
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      December 18, 2018 1:31pm
      - sam green
        
        Yes he was a disgusting individual.
        
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        December 18, 2018 3:58pm
- Morrissey
  
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  “Double dipping?” Did somebody say “double dipping”?
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10598092
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:39am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “Morris Moron?” Did somebody say “Morris Moron?”
    
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    December 18, 2018 8:51am
    - Harkman
      
      Morris does “double dipping” in the Hagley Park toilets ?
      
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      December 18, 2018 9:07am
      - stigie
        
        Where does Dad fit into all this..?
        
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        December 18, 2018 10:02am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    9 years ago and since repaid.
    
    Madam Clarke’s Promise Card? Unlawful but rules changed by said Ms Clarke to make it lawful.
    
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    December 18, 2018 8:56am
    - stigie
      
      Yes, unlawful and ugly !~
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/cyOYPWc37JlZENNLOWcgZ4X1Pm0=/620×349/smart/filters:quality(70)/arc-anglerfish-syd-prod-nzme.s3.amazonaws.com/public/MC6PQCFMTBFXTJTSTQ3J2ONHHY.JPG
      
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      December 18, 2018 9:10am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        If you were standing outside a nightclub, and wanting to convince the bouncer that you’re over 18, Helen’s photo ID might just do the trick old chap!
        
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        December 18, 2018 9:18am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I’m pretty sure Michael Savage did something dodgy, is there a limitation period with whataboutism? Just how far back can we go?
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:03am
  - igm
    
    The slime has arisen from the swill. What about Bunkle, Hobbs, et al? Also your only friend Peters, he owes taxpayers $158.000.
    You are still a gutless POS Breen.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:07am
- oldgolfer
  
  Dann, almost weekly, predicts a collapse of the world economy.
  I suppose, if he lives long enough, he might be right.
  It was said Frank Packer was so worried about the Sydney Harbour Bridge that some junior reporter was asked to watch it ”at all times”.
  His fears about the bridge seem similar to Dann’s about the economy.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:33am
Poppa

So it seems the information on the drug runner case is being released on Friday. What a surprise! Probably 4.30pm so it gets buried as people get ready to go on holiday

Considering that timing we would have to assume it will not be good news for the PM. Of course she will already be on leave & we will see baby photos all over the news
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December 18, 2018 8:30am
- RF
  
  Oh please look at my Baay Bee.
  
  You want photos of Baay Bee.. no problem. Watch out for all the glossy publications coming out before Xmas.
  
  That kind Mr. Mallard said it would be alright.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:52am
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Hilarious shills for Hillary Clinton, starring the hapless conspiracy theorist Rachel Maddow

“The beginning of the end!… The walls are closing in!… Mark it down!… The BOMBSHELL!…. We begin tonight with a BOMBSHELL!… Mr Trump will not serve out his term!…. Breaking news tonight!… Trump is in BIG trouble tonight!….. Today changed everything!…. This is the beginning of the end!…. Another Bombshell!… Bombshell!…”

“When you lie at the behest of the Establishment, there is never a price to pay.”—Jimmy Dore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdHtAzFNwjE
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December 18, 2018 8:32am
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  Couple of Clintonistas in the house today, I see. Fuck off, losers.
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:36am
  - Simon
    
    Clintons have always been dirty but they now have no power so are being thrown under the bus. This is big news for Morrisszzzzz.
    
    You are a sponge soaking up all sorts of crap.
    
    Look Morrissszzzzz another story about Clintons in MSM, lap it up fool.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:02am
    - Morrissey
      
      You’re an idiot. The CNN hosts and other fools on that mash-up were supporters of Clinton’s absurd Russian conspiracy allegations. How are they “throwing her under the bus”, exactly?
      
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      December 18, 2018 10:02am
  - igm
    
    Great how you tell people on this post to fuck off.
    I know, for a fact, if it was face to face you would be the one fucking off . . . as fast as you could run to find a cop.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:53am
    - Morrissey
      
      A tough guy, huh? How about you haul your fat, useless keister round to Chez Breen and “discuss the matter further”?
      
      Not expecting you, loser, but, hey—miracles can happen, I guess.
      
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      December 18, 2018 10:03am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Fark… can I have the same invitation Mossey-cakes?
        
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        December 18, 2018 11:00am
      - Morrissey
        
        Course you can, moCnAwww. Ask Cap’n Mainwaring for a lift.
        
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        December 18, 2018 3:17pm
holysheet

A Scotsman and his wife walked past a swanky new restaurant in town!
“Did you smell that food?” she asked..”it smells absolutely incredible!”
Being a kindhearted fella, he thought “what the hell..I’ll treat her”
So he walked her past it again!!
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December 18, 2018 8:33am
Sofia

As it stands the Prime Minister isn’t releasing her texts with Mr Hardcore because she’s decided it’s not in the public interest …
“It’s extremely unlikely there’s any great conspiracy here – no Ardern/Hardcore/Sroubek alliance – but this is a perception issue and it looks dodgy” – Tova O’Brien, Newshub

And the Sroubek saga has also re-energised the rumour mill that the Police earlier in the year endeavoured to quash – so a vast irony is: the more that Ardern obfuscates, the more those rumours appear to reflect some reality for those “reading between the lines”, as Ardern invited people to do.

Perhaps the Police could reiterate their statement, explaining this time how they can claim people are not being, or have not been, investigated – without there being any investigation, implicitly, to establish that.
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December 18, 2018 8:33am
- artemisia
  
  Ms Ardern said on the wireless this morning she is waiting for advice from the Ombudsman on whether to release ‘the’ text.
  
  Why? I’m guessing she is hoping it will be ruled out as official information, so she will never release it.
  
  Am I right or am I right?
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:40am
  - KevOB
    
    Cindy by virtue of her Office has a higher standard of obligations imposed on her. Does Her Majesty to whom she has sworn an oath of allegiance so she can effect her duties expect her servant to dissemble?
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:09am
  - Im Right
    
    No I’m Right 🙂
    
    She will not release the text’s unless ‘forced’ to, and who in a Govt owned entity is going to make that call knowing they have 2 more years of this Govt to work under…never gonna happen!
    
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    December 18, 2018 10:50am
    - KevOB
      
      The exact text may give too many details disclosing a former relationship or something else of concern. Ardern has given a statement of the content she wants to reveal in the House but the original is off limits.
      
      If this was a criminal investigation it would be inferred she had something to hide. Ardern has now admitted to knowing Hardcore for some years.
      
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      December 18, 2018 3:51pm
    - rockape
      
      Non release may have something to do with the phrase ” thank you for all your help”
      
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      December 18, 2018 6:00pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Why doesn’t Hardcore just state in public that he is fine with having the text released, if he respects the public interest and there’s nothing to hide?
    
    Heck, he could just publish it himself, since he originally sent it!
    
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    December 18, 2018 1:25pm
- VicParking
  
  Looks like Cindy’s past boyfriends are coming home to bite her.
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:41am
  - alex Masterley
    
    I bet that is not all they did.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:14am
    - freethinker
      
      If I understand you correctly I wouldn’t do it with mine if yours was sick. Should I be stranded on a desert island with Cindy and we were the only humans left the human race would die out.
      
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      December 18, 2018 9:58am
      - artemisia
        
        Especially if you are female.
        
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        December 18, 2018 10:14am
      - VicParking
        
        Freethinker you would be into it like pig into shit.
        
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        December 18, 2018 10:23am
      - Im Right
        
        I have mentioned before but will mention again, in this feminist PC world….I can recall Cunliffe in the house basically saying to Bennett or Collins, “if we were the only 2 people left in the world the human race would die out’, in other words I’d not fuck you if you the last woman on earth, a few smirks and laughs and nothing more…no MSM or anything apart from quoting it as a stinger of a reply. NOW, If Key/Brownlee/English had said the same statement to one of the Labour/Green women front bench do you all really believe it would have been left as it was with Cunliffe’s same remark?…I think we all know the hypocrisy of the left and the question was rhetorical as the answer is known.
        
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        December 18, 2018 10:56am
    - Rich Prick
      
      You’d want to supply your own mouth guard.
      
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      December 18, 2018 10:29am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Ms O’Brien concluded her Newshub column about the PM with this gem:
  
  “Ms Ardern promised to lead the most open and transparent Government New Zealand has seen. That doesn’t mean picking and choosing to be open and transparent when it benefits her.”
  
  Given that Tova O’Brien has been the PM’s media cheerleader-in-chief, this is quite an extraordinary turnaround on her part.
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:43am
  - waldonz
    
    KS – No. Tracy Watkins is the chief cheerleader.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:18am
  - RF
    
    I am waiting for Uncle Mike Bush to come to her rescue. She’s going to need his support as her power base is crumbling.
    
    Where’s Jethro… are there any interesting court cases being tried at present ?
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:58am
    - freethinker
      
      I suspect the Bush Kommander has gone Bush. Interesting court cases – Jethro AWOL – Sleeze Gallopaway statement due friday, must read between the lines, Cindy will hope the stench dissipates over the holiday period.
      
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      December 18, 2018 10:04am
- Rich Prick
  
  I notice texts are being referred to in the plural now. Interesting.
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:46am
secondcumming

A Glaswegian lad takes his girlfriend home for the first time and introduces her to his parents.

‘This is Amanda”

His dad jumps up and says, “It’s a fucking what?”
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December 18, 2018 8:35am
- Komata
  
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  So y’ nae fra’ Glasgie then?
  
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  December 18, 2018 11:06am
Tall Man

I missed this a few weeks ago but he has certainly nailed it.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/opinion/mike-hosking-we-are-a-country-of-lazy-excuse-making-sloths/

Over many many years I have never seen someone in an “unfortunate” situation income wise without them possessing the “lazy bugger” gene.

One of the consequences of this is the current government we have. Generally, people vote labour because they want something for themselves. They do not seem to give a stuff about their country or others, they just want more for themselves and believe the way to get it is to take it from those of us who do not carry the “lazy bugger” gene.

I have met people who are as thick as a post yet become very comfortable financially through hard work. They are rare and in general we have become very selective about what jobs we will accept.

I am now a well rewarded professional with my own business employing others but throughout my life I have done manual labour, factory work, pub work and in my early years often worked a second part time job.

That has paid off for myself and my family but I really resent being asked to provide for those unrelated to me who are too fucking lazy to get a job.
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December 18, 2018 8:37am
- stephieboy
  
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  Tall Man, wishing you a real whingeing and grizzle guts festive greetings.
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:58am
  - All_on_Red
    
    How Christian of you
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    December 18, 2018 9:19am
    - Nostradamus
      
      All On Red:
      
      Maybe he’s a bit stressed out because he hasn’t practised for his Christmas “readings” on 23 December?
      
      Micah 5:2-5a; Luke 1:46b-55 or Psalm 80:1-7; Hebrews 10:5-10; Luke 1:39-45, (46-55)
      
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      December 18, 2018 9:26am
      - All_on_Red
        
        The creeps hypocrisy is astounding
        
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        December 18, 2018 9:29am
  - Tall Man
    
    Knock knock steffy girl
    “who’s there?”
    
    Argo..
    
    “Argo who?”
    
    Argo fuck yourself steffy girl.
    
    Ardern is a liar
    
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    December 18, 2018 2:10pm
- Inandout
  
  Hosking is a hard worker and starts early in the morning 5 days a week, but he also takes time off radio at the slightest hint of a holiday. Our morning shows on radio and TV seem to stop weeks away from Christmas. I can understand Garner’s show closing early because TV3 has financial problems. Oh well, smart TVs fill the gap with internet streaming.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:04am
  - srylands
    
    Unfortunately the Christmas and January shutdown seems ingrained in New Zealand. I have had a couple of New Zealand beach holidays in February. Awesome. No crowds and no children.
    
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    December 18, 2018 10:08am
    - Morrissey
      
      Yeah, damned holidays. Why should the workers get them?
      
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      December 18, 2018 10:17am
      - sooty
        
        Why should they get holidays and you don’t chancer. Maybe because they work and you are just a bene!
        
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        December 18, 2018 11:54am
      - OTGO
        
        Don’t mind them having holidays. Its paying them not to come to work that I don’t agree with.
        
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        December 18, 2018 3:38pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Hosking is a hard worker
    
    ?????
    
    Reads nothing, knows less. He’s a fool, and a hypocrite.
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16112016/#comment-1262273
    
    A filthy, racist hypocrite…
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-05022015/#comment-963999
    
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    December 18, 2018 10:16am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Hosking, along with Larry Williams, has a huge job to do. Now that Leighton Smith has retired they are the only NZ media hosts who aren’t pushing a hard left agenda.
      They are farting against thunder but doing a service to the country.
      
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      December 18, 2018 10:30am
      - Morrissey
        
        An ideologically motivated fantasist writes:
        
        Hosking, along with Larry Williams, has a huge job to do.
        
        Sadly, my friend, neither of those two lazy fellows has the wherewithal to do anything other than chunter ignorant and complacent bromides into a microphone.
        
        The Lackwit…
        https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/12/irony-free-newstalkzb-do-you-see-this.html
        
        The Hosk….
        https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/fair-and-balanced-mike-hosking.html
        
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        December 18, 2018 10:37am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Morris Moron:
        I kind of assumed you wouldn’t understand.
        
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        December 18, 2018 11:51am
    - Morrissey
      
      Oh, I understand perfectly well, Cap’n, as do you. What on EARTH prompted you to write such a foolish endorsement of those two halfwits?
      
      What’s next, old bean? Moon non-landing conspiracy?
      
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      December 18, 2018 3:04pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes they seem to think that there is no news anywhere in the world from December to Mid February.
    Stuff them all!
    
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    December 18, 2018 12:41pm
Hugh Pavletich

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KiwiSaver ‘collapsing faster than the Black Caps in the 90s’ … Susan Edmunds … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/109415285/kiwisaver-collapsing-faster-than-the-black-caps-in-the-90s?cid=app-iPad

Shane Henderson reckons his KiwiSaver account has been “collapsing faster than the Black Caps in the 90s”.

Problem is, he’s trying to use it to buy a house.

The West Auckland man wants to use his KiwiSaver money as part of the deposit. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Sydney and Melbourne home prices have tumbled 1.6% in a month | Business Insider

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/australia-property-market-sydney-melbourne-prices-2018-12

• Sydney and Melbourne home prices have fallen 1.6% in a month.

• That’s significantly faster than what was seen earlier this year, and may reflect vendors are lowering their price expectations in order to secure a sale.

• Prices in Perth and Brisbane have also fallen over the past month, albeit by a smaller amount. Adelaide is the only Australian mainland state capital where prices rose over this period.

• Property listings in Sydney and Melbourne have surged by more than 20% over the past 12 months. Listings have also increased in all other capitals except for Adelaide and Darwin. … read more via hyperlink above …
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December 18, 2018 8:40am
- Nostradamus
  
  Hey Hugh!
  
  You can watch a 25-minute video of yourself here. Well 25 minutes and 5 seconds to be precise.
  
  But oh dear – only 1,168 views so far. Maybe you need to try a different marketing plan?
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:54am
- skyblue
  
  Glad I am mortgage free now, no more fortnightly payments, yay.
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:55am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    AUCKLAND: Just 119 properties up for grabs at Barfoot & Thompson’s latest auctions, sales on 28% of them | interest.co.nz
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/97444/just-119-properties-grabs-barfoot-thompsons-latest-auctions-sales-28-them
    
    Auction activity is declining sharply at Auckland largest real estate agency as the Christmas break draws near, but the sales rate remains steady.
    
    Barfoot & Thompson marketed 119 properties for auction last week, down from 148 in the week ending December 9 and down from 180 in the week ending December 2.
    
    This week the agency has just 41 properties scheduled for auction.
    
    However, while the number of properties coming to auction is winding down, the sales rate remains remarkably stable.
    
    Last week the agency achieved sales on 28% of its auction properties, compared to 30% in the week ending December 9 and 29% in the week ending December 2. … read more via hyperlink above …
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    RECENT REPORTS …
    
    Auckland house prices slump 1.5 per cent in 12 months | Stuff.co.nz
    … note video …
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/109362340/auckland-house-prices-slump-15-per-cent-in-12-months
    
    Provincial New Zealand is where the action is for house price growth at present – and it’s claimed a looming law change might only add fuel to that fire.
    
    New data from the Real Estate Institute shows that there were record median prices in November in six parts of New Zealand.
    
    Northland prices were up 21 per cent on last year to a median $515,000, Waikato was up 8 per cent to $529,000, Hawke’s Bay was up 12 per cent to $470,000, Wellington was up 11.5 per cent to $613,000, Tasman was up 19 per cent to $645,000 and Southland was up 4 per cent to $275,000.
    
    Auckland’s median price slipped 1.5 per cent year-on-year to $867,000. Canterbury’s was down 3.3 per cent.
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    … Access REINZ detailed reports …
    
    https://reinz.co.nz/residential-property-data-gallery
    
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    December 18, 2018 1:27pm
oldpark

It is only make believe ,the myth of Climate Change. Yet NZ has been suckered into drip feeding up to “THIRTY BILLION DOLLARS” by 2030. The money will be paid to faceless people in Europe. What a fughing scam.
The SLG and far left Lunatic Green Party are out to save the world. How about NZ and its people. Starting with paying the teachers their dues and entitlements.
Wonder where the Thirty Billion Dollars are coming from . Especially a potential Twenty Three Billion Dollars will be lost after SLG closed down our Oil and GAS Exploration.
Looks like the French have worked it out. They are been levied to pay for the myth of climate change . that really is what the riots are all about. Seems NZs long suffering taxpayers will also be up to pay the earmarked Thirty Billion Dollar levy.
To think that most of angst in NZ at the moment ,on say Climate Change ,or the Islamic Federations ambush with UN Migration Pact. Most of the cause and problem can be laid at the feet of NZ resident Ignoramus a power crazy wee pest called Peters.
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December 18, 2018 8:44am
- stephieboy
  
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  oldpark , what else is there to grizzle and whine about?
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:00am
  - skyblue
    
    You need to worry son, with us going to sign the UN Compact in Morocco, you will catch VD from your goat after half of Mogadishu has been through it.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:05am
    - VicParking
      
      Sky don’t slam my Stephie. Don’t you realise that Stephie’s goat is being sent there to give all the delegates VD. Stephies Xmas gift to Morocco.
      
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      December 18, 2018 9:19am
      - skyblue
        
        Goats are the poor man’s camel. Like camels they are ships of the desert, full of Arab semen.
        
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        December 18, 2018 9:26am
  - oldpark
    
    @stephieboy.
    Hoping you will confirm that you’re carpet bagger mate Mohammed was a pedophile and raped a nine year old girl. True or False. Yes true wee boy. If i were you i would come clean on the fact. Maybe then ,that would virtually stop you daily being run out of this blog. Merrie Christmas to you,you lying hypocrite. Hope youre head dosn’t hurt to much with your’e sham adoration.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:28am
    - VicParking
      
      Merry Xmas Stephie, may your goats be moist for your pleasure and your wifes be sympathetic to your incontinence and Erectile dysfunction.
      
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      December 18, 2018 10:31am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Careful Oldpark, with this Migration Pact soon we’ll have European hate speech laws:
      
      Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff
      “a free speech activist who was charged last year in Austria with “denigration of religious beliefs of a legally recognized religion”.
      
      “Well, during the course of my seminars, I mentioned the choking EU directive “Framework decision on combating racism and xenophobia,” and in order to illustrate my point I told the audience about a conversation I had with my sister and how she believed that one should find a different word for Mohammed’s actions with Aisha. I said, “How does one name what he did if not call it pedophilia?” And this sentence got me convicted, for I am allowed by law to say that Mohammed had sex with a young girl, but I may not qualify this behavior as this is deemed “excessive” and thus denigrating. ”
      
      Interview with ESW on that and her many years in islamic countries here: https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/117135/persecution-elisabeth-sabaditsch-wolff-jamie-glazov
      
      It’s bloody depressing: we have a government about to sign away our border control and freedom of speech, and only a few people in NZ seem at all aware of just how bad things have become in Europe.
      
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      December 18, 2018 1:51pm
- Jules99
  
  Imagine the amazing stuff we could do in NZ with even half that. Sickening. It’s lining the pockets of an unelected bureaucracy. The other half of it could go in tax cuts for everyone.
  
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  December 18, 2018 1:50pm
Dave Mann

The UK is really in the shit over Theresa May’s failed attempts to get out of the EU isn’t it?

The LA Times reports that the main concern for pro-Brexit lawmakers is a contentious insurance policy known as the “backstop,” which would keep the U.K. tied to EU customs rules in order to guarantee the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland remains open after Brexit.

My understanding is that the Brexiteers’ main reason for wanting out in the first place was for the UK to exercise sovereign control of its own borders…. so this proposal must be the worst of all outcomes!

I don’t think May will be able to swing this. Either the (delayed) ratification in parliament after Christmas will fail, or she will lose a no confidence vote in the house and resign, causing a general election.

Watching with interest.
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December 18, 2018 8:44am
- VicParking
  
  What failed attempt. The UK will leave the UE in March come what May. She has just run into a whole bunch of her own party who are climbing all over each other backs to stab in her the back to service their own claims for her job. Just Like in the Game of Thrones they are willing to burn down the city to take the throne.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:23am
  - Paulus
    
    Watch – But nobody wants her thankless job.
    
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    December 18, 2018 1:37pm
- MCos
  
  Everybody seems to have an opinion how this will pan out, but it seems the most likely scenario is what the British, in their love of over simplified catchphrases call a ‘Hard Brexit’.
  It kind of rolls off the tongue, but from what I understand it’s going to cause chaos left, right & centre.
  The alternatives are this plan of what’s her name otherwise known as a Clayton’s Brexit or a new referendum, working on the principle that you keep holding the bloody things until you get the result you want.
  Except a new referendum might not go the way they want.
  A conservative America view from the soon to be defunct Weekly Standard
  https://www.weeklystandard.com/the-editors/a-fine-mess
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:30am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Not living in the UK, I don’t really have a firm opinion about whether they should leave or stay in the EU…. but at the time of the vote I thought that something as far-reaching as this should have needed a two-thirds majority. In many cases huge decisions are made on a simple majority vote, but I don’t think 51.9% is exactly an overwhelming groundswell for change, is it?
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:59am
- KevOB
  
  Too many cooks in the kitchen. Escaping the EU was never going to be easy. The notion that a referendum decision would magically release the UK form Euro claws belongs in the minds of political aspirants.
  
  Minimum disturbance has to be the requirement: who would tolerate the civil and commercial chaos otherwise? Travel, employment, banking, access to goods and services all immediately disrupted pending re-instatement of future new relations. That doesn’t include matters of external relations like fishing rights or Ireland with a presently borderless UK territory.
  It may take 2o years to regain the independence sought. A continuing state of ongoing hard negotiations on individual aspects is to be expected.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:30am
  - Paulus
    
    Both Germany and the Irish believe that they have finally won their respective battles since the 1920’s, but the War has yet to be won now that they think they are clever.
    
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    December 18, 2018 1:40pm
Doubledimp

I have noticed a trend in the media recently. They offer up an “edge-case” (where the system seems to have let someone down) and propose that this is indicative of the system’s failure as a whole. They tend to use first names only which avoids any checks on the veracity of their claims.
What I miss is the use of proper, meaningful statistics in reporting. A great one from a few years ago; the number of teenage mothers has halved over the last (5 I think) years. Why can’t we see media reporting trends in identifiable metrics, rather than pushing human interest stories?
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December 18, 2018 8:53am
- lifesgood
  
  That doesn’t mean there are fewer teenage pregnancies it just means there are more abortions.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:18am
  - VicParking
    
    Stats please LG.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:24am
  - KevOB
    
    Or more “journalists”.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:33am
    - sooty
      
      There is media, but no journalist.
      
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      December 18, 2018 11:48am
  - Doubledimp
    
    Er, what it means is that there are less “first-time” teenage mothers, but you are correct, it also needs to compare against total number of births to teenage parents too for context.
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:57am
  - srylands
    
    No you are wrong. There are fewer teen pregnancies and fewer abortions.
    
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    December 18, 2018 10:10am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Correct: fewer teen pregnancies
      Teen birth rate in New Zealand half of 2008 figure
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11856990
      
      Fewer teen abortions, but a slight rise in abortions for 24yr-29yr olds last year.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/104825669/teen-abortion-rates-declining-amid-small-rise-national-trend
      
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      December 18, 2018 10:28am
    - VicParking
      
      Agreed
      
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      December 18, 2018 10:32am
NK

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12178150

As a male lawyer and as someone who employs 22 staff, the insinuations in this article, and in the report, and in the comments from Kathryn Beck make me angry, and almost disgust me.

I refused to adopt the Law Society’s “gender equality” charter in my firm, and will refuse to have more rules and regulations imposed upon my business trying to solve a problem that does not exist in my practice.

Tarring me with the same brush as drunk gropers in large law firms won’t wash with me. I trust the likes of Kathryn Beck take note.
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December 18, 2018 8:54am
- alex Masterley
  
  NK I cannot give you anymore than one up-tick.
  The gender equality rubbish promoted by the NZLS is making me seeth.
  It has managed to lower my already low perception of the the society.
  I am seriously considering whether I want to remain in a profession that I have spent over 30 years being a part of and contributing to in many ways.
  My firm will likewise not adopt the “gender equality” charter. It is a waste of time.
  I used to rate Kathryn Beck, but now I see her as being nothing more than a useful idiot.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:20am
- KevOB
  
  Has NZ become lopsided with the ship of state now listing too?
  Hence my concern about having a female Gov.General, Chief Justice, Prime Minster, Solicitor General… and the rest including the Cartwright, Shipley, Clark 20.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:42am
- Rich Prick
  
  Agreed. The rush to embrace the #MeToo hype is a discredit to the NZLS. Regulating the profession is one thing, but to go chasing ghosts at the behest of a millennial or two on anecdotes and a self selecting survey of “feelings”, is a disservice to a profession that has evidence, consideration and judgment as its stock in trade.
  
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  December 18, 2018 10:15am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Have a look at the creatures that populate the NZLS. Therein lies the problem.
    
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    December 18, 2018 10:21am
    - sooty
      
      If you can’t grow a beard in the Labour party, you are a nobody!
      Edit. Woman included.
      
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      December 18, 2018 11:45am
- Paulus
  
  You must be wrong – you are a male.
  QED
  
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  December 18, 2018 1:42pm
rightoverlabour

Let’s hope the cunt Cullen suggests bringing in a CGT. Judging from a few comments at Stuff, a lot of swing voters would revolt and vote Nat.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/109405922/lets-not-tax-kiwis-for-paper-gains-on-property-and-savings

Labour, fucking the country up the arse forever….
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December 18, 2018 9:00am
- KevOB
  
  Cullen is under implied orders to fulfill his commie appointees requirements.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:44am
  - sooty
    
    He’s ready willing and able with this goverment as he did not have the balls when he was counting the pennies!
    Helen kept them safely in her desk drawer!
    
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    December 18, 2018 11:43am
MCos

Optimistic tweet of the day, begins thus . . . .

‘Great to see so many kiwis heading to #Mongolia for Xmas . . . . . . ‘
Mongolian Consulate, Auckland
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December 18, 2018 9:01am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Xmas wouldn’t get much of a look in in Mongolia as Santa would mostly likely be strictly ambulatory – they eat reindeer.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:13am
rightoverlabour

Hmm I see Kiwisaver is collapsing faster than the Blackcaps…

I actually don’t have Kiwisaver. The reason is silly, it’s because it was a Labour policy brought in by my pet Cunt Cullen. But I also didn’t like the idea of not being able to get the money out early if needed. One thing I don’t like about Kiwisaver is the lack of warning that you could actually lose on it..

I figured I’d rather put more money into repaying the mortgage than save in kiwisaver, even though I didn’t get the contribution. I don’t know it that is sound economic thinking. Opinions are welcome.
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December 18, 2018 9:16am
- MCos
  
  Correction
  Someone called Shane Henderson is struggling with Kiwisaver.
  
  Blackcaps are doing just fine . . . maybe one or two guys struggle now and then, but overall they’re winning.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:38am
- KevOB
  
  Smart.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:45am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  If you are aged under fifty you might consider avoiding KiwiSaver. If you are aged 50+ you should give Kiwisaver serious consideration. If you are aged 55 to 64 you would be an idiot not to be in KiwiSaver.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:52am
  - Colville
    
    reasons please.
    
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    December 18, 2018 11:08am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Under age 50 you may have better ways to deploy your capital. Like boosting your personal business or reducing your mortgage.
      At 50 you should be looking to your retirement and that brings Kiwisaver into focus.
      At 55 the $520 top up per year makes Kiwisaver a no brainer.
      The above is for the self employed. As a wage or salary worker you should be in from the start, as the employer subsidy, and the $520 top up, make it very good.
      
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      December 18, 2018 12:59pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It’s one of the few Labour policies that actually benefits people with jobs. Salary levels have already priced in the extra cost to employers and the government contribution is just a way to get some of your own money back. So I don’t agree with staying out of it on moral grounds.
  
  Financially, it is obviously worth it to contribute the minimum to get the matching contributions, unless you are starting very young.
  
  Since I got out of property, I buy shares instead of paying back the mortgage. Obviously they could lose a chunk of value at any time but historically shares have done a lot better than what the mortgage rate is now. It also feels good to be funding the productive sector of the economy not the property market.
  
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  December 18, 2018 10:02am
  - Paulus
    
    Labour are still saying they want Compulsory Kiwisaver.
    They are under strong pressure to make more money for the Managers. Like the Managers persuaded Cullen of the whole thing in the beginning.
    I would not touch it with a bargepole – a similar scheme by a now Australian lead Manager, before Kiwisaver, cost me well over six figures of my personal superannuation in 2001.
    And they still got their fees after every one of my share dropped quarterly.
    
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    December 18, 2018 1:48pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Housing people is very productive. I don’t go for the Cullen property vs productivity crap.
    
    How many ‘productive’ enterprises are property-focused anyway: building, painting, cleaning, furnishing etc.
    
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    December 18, 2018 2:08pm
- Jules99
  
  I’m self employed and put the minimum in to get the tax credit. As I’m over 50, it makes no sense to lock up more than I have to.
  
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  December 18, 2018 10:04am
KeaRea

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/12/is-israel-real-enemy-of-america.html?m=1

I’m in a foul mood over the UN compact. Do we really need to be forced to be more diverse? Can’t we do that to ourselves just fine? Why do we have to risk our sovereignty? Has Winston and ‘9.5 out of 10′ Ardern no shame? Madness. Whatever goodwill I have Towsrds the beneficiaries of this bill is gone. I want them all out of my country. I will not be forced.

But this is still not as bad, even still, as what Israel are doing in the United States. School districts adding anti Boycott clauses to US citizens’ contracts destroying their freedom of speech is probably the most self destructive thing I’ve ever seen. Forcing BDS down US citizen’s throats.

“This direct legal assault on the core Constitutional rights of Americans is an absolutely insane overreaction on the part of the Israel First fifth column in the United States to the growing anti-Israel BDS movement.

If I was Benjamin Netanyahu or any other Israeli leader with influence over AIPAC, the various Jewish organizations, or the media neocons, I would tell them to retreat immediately from this ludicrously self-destructive and obviously unconstitutional policy of attempting to ban the anti-BDS movement, or face being entirely disavowed by Israel. This attack on American rights will not only justify anti-semitism more than any quantity of blood libels or historical complaints about usurious money lenders ever have, it will render it almost mandatory for every single genuine American and U.S. citizen who respects the U.S. Constitution.”

Yes absolutely.

Every Israel supporter is going to have to boycott them now on principle.

It is an insane egregiously stupid foot shoot by the Merchants which will only end in them losing all support from absolutely everyone.

And our government needs to die.
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December 18, 2018 9:18am
- dave_c_
  
  Alas, psycophants, and wannabe NWO dictators, don’t give a rats shit about you and me, nor what happens to our country.
  All they crave is the power to rule (own) over us, and expect us to bow before them for their beneficence.
  Arseholes the lot of them.
  
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  December 18, 2018 10:00am
igm

Time for Bridges to take a stand, telling NZ that National will pull out of this accord, at any cost; also review the status of anyone (and any extras born here) who have taken advantage of this piece of leftist crap, with repatriations in all cases.
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December 18, 2018 10:00am
- Dave Mann
  
  Be careful, igm. Don’t mention the leader of the opposition’s name on this blog or suggest any action that you think he might take. Its just not worth the hassle 😀 😀 😀
  
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  December 18, 2018 10:04am
  - KevOB
    
    First let Simon Bridges get some power. He is media blocked and Parliament recesses today. The COL however are doing fine spoiling their nest and now the Media are turning. Simon’s turn is coming. March may be quite different.
    
    I may be wrong but I believe from experience that pot lid banging at this time may divert attention from the self destruction of the COL. Watching the COL may have to be done from the shadows then they can be walked over while they are really in the mud. The COL fight dirty and hidden and take no prisoners. Their army is just waiting to hang anything on Simon or any other opposing leader.
    
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    December 18, 2018 10:57am
- Ross12
  
  igm
  I believe Bridges has already said National would pull out of the accord.
  
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  December 18, 2018 1:14pm
- Paulus
  
  Understand Bridges has publically said that already last week.
  
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  December 18, 2018 1:49pm
  - Paulus
    
    Tried to delete my 1.49 Ross 12 as same as you.
    Sorry
    
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    December 18, 2018 1:51pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Bridges is quoted here:
  
  National Party leader Simon Bridges said New Zealand should not sign up because we already have “good, if not excellent” immigration policy.
  
  “Why would you mess with that … why should we – in fact we shouldn’t – do anything other than have independent migration and foreign policy and it seems to me that this will get in the way of that,” he said.
  Mr Bridges questioned the point in signing up to the pact if it were truly non-binding.
  
  “It is creating a situation where we know even if it is not binding, over time it will become part of our laws, it will become interpreted by the judiciary. We don’t need to do that.
  What part of our settings is wrong in immigration and why would we cede this?”
  
  This response it too weak in my view. The cornerstone issue here is Ardern ceding New Zealand sovereignty to an unelected global body.
  
  Kiwi’s understand this and it’s that point that should be hammered home, rather than us already having ‘good immigration policy’, and the nuisance of having this pact leech into our judiciary over time … which kiwi’s don’t understand.
  
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  December 18, 2018 2:03pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    This response it too weak in my view.
    
    You can’t say that!. Wash your mouth out, you wicked krazykiwi!!!
    
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    December 18, 2018 5:16pm
Longknives

In what looks like a desperate attempt to deflect from the Karel Sroubek scandal there are stomach churning rumours of a ‘First Family’ Christmas Message being prepared for all their subjects to be broadcast on Christmas day.
That’s right- Ardern,Gayford and that poor baby are rumoured to invade our homes on Christmas Day in something akin to ‘The Queen’s speech’.
Is Ardern really that deluded? Are Labour really so desperate?
If so- Make mine a double…
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December 18, 2018 10:07am
- Rich Prick
  
  Do they have to ruin Christmas too?
  
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  December 18, 2018 10:22am
  - Komata
    
    RP
    
    As an unreconstructed Communist who believes that ‘religion is the opeate of the people’, and that there is no God, the SLG has no choice but to do so.
    
    The boyfriend will go along with that, ‘cos he likes the fame.
    
    Sadly, Squirrel has no choice…
    
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    December 18, 2018 11:19am
    - sooty
      
      Where mums tit goes, baby will follow.
      
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      December 18, 2018 11:37am
- Woz
  
  There’s no way on God’s green earth that I will allow that to be screened in my home. I’d rather eat the crotch of a Turkish wrestler’s jockstrap.
  
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  December 18, 2018 10:22am
  - VicParking
    
    Contact Stephie he has a whole row of them on his bedroom wall
    
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    December 18, 2018 10:34am
    - Woz
      
      Past trophies?
      
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      December 18, 2018 10:55am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I’ve booked that in as a must-miss.
  
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  December 18, 2018 10:23am
- alex Masterley
  
  Nooooooo!
  How could they. How bloody crass.
  But looking on the bright side I watch sod all TV these days and we are out most of Christmas day eating and drinking to excess so with any luck i will miss it.
  
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  December 18, 2018 10:51am
  - sooty
    
    How bloody low for that media channel.
    Withdraw all funding.
    
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    December 18, 2018 11:38am
- KevOB
  
  Are Labour really so desperate?
  YES.
  It fits Ardern’s self ascribed communist leader importance too.
  
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  December 18, 2018 11:00am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I’ll have whatever you’re having Longknives. I will also ensure the in-laws don’t turn the telly on during Christmas Day.
  
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  December 18, 2018 1:02pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I too am will be joining knives… being a maltist rather than a masochist.
    
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    December 18, 2018 1:50pm
- stephieboy
  
  Longknives , the cure is too merely comatose yourself with several of your favourite Vodka cocktails or such like.
  
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  December 18, 2018 1:30pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    You slip your goats Roofies don’t you Stephie
    
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    December 18, 2018 1:50pm
- Poppa
  
  Ztev will be glued to the screen lapping it all up.
  
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  December 18, 2018 1:32pm
- Jules99
  
  Think I might talk to my own family on Christmas day – call me old fashioned.
  
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  December 18, 2018 1:44pm
srylands

Something odd going on here.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/109430609/missing-teen-mia-cooper-in-contact-with-family-mum-says

So is she missing or not?
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December 18, 2018 10:13am
secondcumming

Shades of the 80’s?

Stock Brokers jumping from high rise buildings on Wall St…….
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December 18, 2018 10:21am
- VicParking
  
  My regards to secondcumming’s family
  https://goo.gl/images/fC2tWY
  
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  December 18, 2018 10:37am
  - secondcumming
    
    great grandad
    
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    December 18, 2018 11:30am
- Morrissey
  
  John Key next?
  
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  December 18, 2018 10:38am
  - sooty
    
    You are a mean arsehole. Morrischancer.
    
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    December 18, 2018 11:35am
    - toby1845
      
      Sorry, sooty. Down ticked you by mistake.
      
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      December 18, 2018 12:11pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Ha ha ha ha ha! More Collateral D. You guys need some more training, methinks.
        
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        December 18, 2018 3:02pm
- softail 1450
  
  S C, only a fool would think that this isn’t going to get very messy ……sooner then later is my guess…..
  
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  December 18, 2018 11:07am
  - secondcumming
    
    Yes, I fear you are right ST……..’the house always wins’
    
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    December 18, 2018 11:27am
softail 1450

OH OH, big financial problems looming,wall street heading down .
I hope the COL can steer us thru a recession as national did……LOL, fat fricking chance.
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December 18, 2018 11:01am
- All_on_Red
  
  The Feds putting interest rates up.
  That won’t help the US deficit.
  
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  December 18, 2018 12:11pm
- secondcumming
  
  BREAKING…..
  
  *Yet another* large Auckland manufacturer goes into receivership with the loss of 200 jobs a week out from Xmas!
  
  MFL (the old Masport) has just pulled the plug…..
  
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  December 18, 2018 12:44pm
  - Poppa
    
    Could be a shortage of lawnmowers then
    
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    December 18, 2018 1:33pm
  - howitis
    
    Trade in ‘lawnmowers’ has been curtailed.
    The over exposure is killing it
    Czech it out.
    
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    December 18, 2018 1:35pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/109436228/government-scraps-plan-for-national-chief-technology-officer

So the only person that was ever good enough for the job was PriNZess’ mate!

After 12 months of searching they can’t find a person to fill this (very stupid) role except, out of the tens of people that applied only Handley was selected. What are the odds of that?

Was Handley ever the bloke for the job?
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December 18, 2018 12:28pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The purpose of the role was to be wheeled out at events where the govt would give away money to their mates for *insert bullshit justification here*, get Cindy’s pic in the paper without attracting any hard questions, and keep her ego fed. As such any diversity tickboxing and politically compliant monkey would have done. But they fucked up the hiring process with their corrupt shenanigans so completely that it would only have ever bought up the embarrassment again to actually go ahead and hire someone. More proof that the role was bullshit from the beginning. The CoL’s primary focus in government is PR, not running NZ well.
  
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  December 18, 2018 1:01pm
cmm

National wins Eminem appeal. Right decision.

A couple of bars of music that sound vaguely similar were not valid grounds for a court case.
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December 18, 2018 12:57pm
- itstricky
  
  A couple of bars of music that sound vaguely similar
  
  That’s right, let the history books “convienetly” forget that the song was called “Eminem-esque” and was deliberately chosen to invoke the feeling of that particular hit of his. Couple of bars…pffft.
  
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  December 18, 2018 2:27pm
- itstricky
  
  Always pays to read the source material…So, it was just a reduction in damages based on what National theoretically would be have paid, rather than the nominal base fee that would other wise have been used. Still $200k short of pocket and still guilty of using something without permission. Bit of a stretch to say that’s winning an appeal on a baseless charge.
  
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  December 18, 2018 2:50pm
- gorse
  
  They got hammered by the media when they went down for it, bet there’s not a perp about this win.
  
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  December 18, 2018 7:08pm
  - gorse
    
    National didn’t appeal the use of the music, they appealed the level of damages, these got knocked back.
    
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    December 18, 2018 7:16pm
Jack5

Another private equity investor failure: an Auckland iron caster in receivership, putting 200 jobs on the line. (Link below).

This should be a warning to investors on the potential fate of Stuff after the merger of its Australian owner, the 177-year-old Fairfax Media, with Nine Entertainment Company.

It seems likely the merged group will look to flog off Stuff.

Not a lot of investors will be interested, but you might see a private equity firm pop up with an offer.

Investors need to be wary if this happens, because sometimes subsequent investors suffer.

You load the target company up with debt, hype it to hell in the media, then float it on the stock exchange, recovering what you paid for the company plus your profit.

You’ve made enough money to not care about the crash of the debt-laden target company, battering the new, listed company’s sharemarket investors.

An Australian private equity firm’s float of Feltex, once a successful carpet maker processing NZ wool, was an example.

Sharemarket investors were burned, and where the factory stood in Christchurch making woollen carpets, many for export, and employing probably hundreds of locals, now stands a supermarket.

The Auckland factory in trouble:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12178733
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December 18, 2018 12:57pm
- cmm
  
  If that prick Parker can get his way, the NZ Super will buy Stuff and make the comrade journalists safe for life.
  
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  December 18, 2018 1:11pm
rangitoto

Green voter with Tesla:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRFT4PQkHfU
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December 18, 2018 1:17pm
- Tall Man
  
  Oh dear..explains a lot really doesn’t it?
  
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  December 18, 2018 2:46pm
Chris2

The Minister of Education has made a good decision for once.

He has refused to allow the change of name for Victoria University.

Common sense prevails.
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December 18, 2018 1:26pm
- cmm
  
  A broken clock is right twice a day… er umm, well once a year anyway!
  
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  December 18, 2018 1:28pm
- srylands
  
  Yes great result. I’m surprised. But credit to the Minister.
  
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  December 18, 2018 2:01pm
- howitis
  
  Holy crap.
  Right call.
  Little Ginga got it right.
  
  The muppets at VUW wrote to me a month ago asking for money.
  I wrote back “No bloody way, Jose” not with the anti democracy drive so common now in University Councils and Local Authority councils.
  I actually got a reply- we’ll take you off the begging list.
  
  These muppets thought they could mess with History.
  A shout out to Prof Geoff McLay (staff) and Gwynn Compton (change.org petition) for his efforts in opposing this.
  
  It would be good if a couple of the arsewipes on Victoria University of Wellington Council stood down forthwith.
  Today is good
  They are so daft that the name ‘Victoria University of Wellington is sooo confusing’ they had to change it.
  How do they know where to turn up for a $$$ meeting then?
  
  The Full council:-
  Mr Neil Paviour-Smith (Chancellor)
  Professor Grant Guilford (Vice-Chancellor)
  Mr John Allen
  Ms Robyn Bargh
  Ms Traci Houpapa
  Associate Professor Kate Hunter
  Dr Carwyn Jones
  Mr Alan Judge
  Ms Isabella Lenihan-Ikin
  Ms Alexandria Mark
  Dr Farib Sos
  Dame Therese Walsh (Pro-Chancellor)
  The vote to change was 9 For change; 2 Against change.
  I have not ascertained who voted For.
  Two of them (women) are simply there for their ‘Maoriness’
  
  Gutless Grant Guildford abstained.
  His name is stained.
  He should take a long unpaid leave of absence. On Campbell island.
  Guildford even admitted ..
  … More than 2000 people submitted, and Mr Guilford said overall 75 percent were against change.
  “Our alumni were very strongly against, about 75 or perhaps 80 percent from memory, our staff were for about 55 percent in favour,” he said.
  “We only got a very small amount of students submit, about 180 students submitted and they were against, as well.”…
  
  Here are the minutes
  https://www.victoria.ac.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/1711535/council-minutes-meeting-24-september-2018.pdf
  
  Remember these people on Council. They are mostly anti democracy.
  Well done Chippie.
  Credit where it is due.
  
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  December 18, 2018 2:21pm
john1234

Sroubek’s estranged wife releases tape of Sroubek threatening her in phone call from prison:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12178785

Will Winston apologise to her?
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December 18, 2018 1:58pm
- Tall Man
  
  Now you’re just being silly..
  
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  December 18, 2018 2:41pm
rangitoto

What a fine chap this Sroubek is:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/12/listen-karel-sroubek-allegedly-threatens-estranged-wife-in-secret-recording.html
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December 18, 2018 1:58pm
DigNap15

I wish National would pull out of the UN as well and all of its evil agencies.
And stop all public funding of any media that is patently biased to the left.
And stop the dpb to all new mums
And ban all muslim immigrants and visitors and mosques.
And make all people on the dole work full time for any job and pay them the minimum wage. (or no dole)
Make minim jail sentences mandatory. And increase each one by one year every year until that particular crime stops.
Ban any immigrant from working for the immigration department and customs
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December 18, 2018 2:03pm
- Tall Man
  
  I think Santa might need a bigger Santa sack…..
  
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  December 18, 2018 2:38pm
srylands

I just got a Christmas card wishing me “Happy holidays and Meri Kirihimete”

I confess that despite 22 years in New Zealand I did not know that was Maori for Merry Christmas.
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December 18, 2018 2:20pm
- Tall Man
  
  And I still don’t care…
  
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  December 18, 2018 2:39pm
- lifesgood
  
  The maori for Christmas is a bastardisation of English anyway, it’s not real maori. You can’t tell me meri means merry. And, of course, there was no such thing as Christmas in the maori world.
  
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  December 18, 2018 5:45pm
  - Longknives
    
    Maori invented Christmas.
    
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    December 18, 2018 6:24pm
DigNap15

What does Happy Holidays mean?
If you take your holidays in say August?

Its all part of the evil lefts Argenda.
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December 18, 2018 2:36pm
- srylands
  
  I’m also noticing that Aotearoa is replacing New Zealand across public sector clients. I could see a proposal for an official name change for the country within 10 years.
  
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  December 18, 2018 3:02pm
  - Jack5
    
    Yep, the PC mob are pushing harder for a name change.
    
    It’s so odd. We have two official languages (apart from signing). When speaking English, it’s “New Zealand”, when speaking Maori, it’s “Aotearoa”.
    
    But the PC mob want as well to Maorify English as spoken in NZ into a pidgin language, with non-English letters and non-English name versions.
    
    Saving Maori as a spoken everyday tongue, a small language in a remote corner of the world is a nigh-impossible job.
    
    Resources are being thrown at it. New Zealand is hundreds of millions of dollars a year trying to keep the Maori language alive. There’s a State strategy, an unofficial push by the leftist teaching profession to make Maori compulsory in schools, and agencies and programmes devoted to the campaign.
    
    Sadly, at best Maori will ever be only a ceremonial language.
    
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    December 18, 2018 3:24pm
    - itstricky
      
      But the PC mob want as well to Maorify English as spoken in NZ into a pidgin language, with non-English letters and non-English name versions.
      
      What you mean with words like safari, cartoon, kindergarten, attaché, cuisine, television, ketchup, guillotine, battalion, déjà vu, bach, crib, hors d’oeuvre, jelly, jandals, dag, diary, gumboots, ice cream, no worries, metropolis, café, fiancé, RSVP, …
      
      OMG, what a travesty*
      
      * mid 17th century (as an adjective in the sense ‘dressed to appear ridiculous’): from French travesti ‘disguised’, past participle of travestir, from Italian travestire, from trans- ‘across’ + vestire ‘clothe’.
      
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      December 18, 2018 3:47pm
      - KevOB
        
        What lingo do the interns use?
        
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        December 18, 2018 4:03pm
      - Jack5
        
        Itstricky, diacritics have long since been dropped from the words you quote as they morphed into English from related Indo-european languages.
        
        These words have been assimilated into English by usage as needed, or in the case of technical terms like “television” coined into English from English root languages.
        
        “No worries” is Aussie English. There is no such thing as Maori English. “Gumboots” comes from the English-speaking United States. “Television” has been coined in English from Greek and Latin roots, just as many Maori words likely come ultimately from roots in some Taiwan tribe. “Kindergarten” comes from a sister Germanic language of English. “Cartoon” comes into English from similar words in the fellow European languages, French and Italian.
        
        The point is these words were assimilated into the English language to fill gaps, not mandated into it by a PC group with political or pseudo-political goals. Some Maori words have been assimilated into world English, such as “haka” and “tiki” but not a helluva lot.
        
        The Maorification PC mob, on the other hand, want to substitute English words in usage with Maori words. These won’t be adopted into the vast English-language community, and, along with Maori-language diacritical marks, serve only to bastardise the English used in New Zealand.
        
        Are the Maorifiers of English somehow inspired by the academy which tries to govern the French language?
        
        I don’t see your point of highlighting the long-established practice in English (as in ancient Rome) of using initials of a phrase as an abbreviation. Are you suggesting that somehow Maori invented abbreviations? Before they had a written language? ?
        
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        December 18, 2018 4:35pm
      - itstricky
        
        diacritics have long since been dropped from the words you quote
        
        And yet you still recognised them. Wonders never cease.
        
        There is no such thing as Maori English
        
        So we can have Australian English, and American English, and you’re happy with whatever colloquialisms come from those, but we can’t have New Zealand English?
        
        The point is these words were assimilated into the English language to fill gaps
        
        Rubbish. Many words have different meanings in, for example UK English, than NZ English. There’s no rational need to have two different words for the same thing. But we do. And most people can deal with that.
        
        not mandated into it by a PC group with political or pseudo-political goals
        
        Promoting a language that doesn’t exist in any other place. Boy, what a bunch of underhand, low life, deceitful, scum bags.
        
        These won’t be adopted into the vast English-language community
        
        99% of the world’s English speakers don’t know bach, crib, jelly, jandals, kia ora, tiki-tour, mate, sparky, cuz, piss up, or waka. But 99% of New Zealanders, including you, do. Nothing to suggest you couldn’t know more. And nothing to suggest that more of such words should not be introduced.
        
        and, along with Maori-language diacritical marks
        
        Oh no, here comes the irrational fear of macrons again…
        
        Are you suggesting that somehow Maori invented abbreviations?
        
        No. Are acronyms in foreign languages OK for you but the thought of Aotearoa makes you sick? Perhaps you should look elsewhere for the cause of your objections.
        
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        December 18, 2018 5:23pm
      - Jack5
        
        You’re linguistically challenged, Itstricky.
        
        We have English language and we have Maori language. What use is there for “Maori English”? There’s nothing wrong with macrons in Maori language. They help make a Maori alphabet. But Maori alphabet characters don’t belong in English.
        
        The words you claim as “New Zealand” were not mandated, they arose. And since when was “mate” a New Zealand creation?
        
        Itstricky, your, “Perhaps you should look elsewhere for the cause of your objections,” is obviously a sly, cowardly way of suggesting those who want separate Maori and English languages, rather than an NZ Pidgin, are racially motivated.
        
        I would say it’s more likely that those promoting Maori language and Maorification of English are racially motivated. ?
        
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        December 18, 2018 5:38pm
      - realityczech
        
        Don’t mind Jacksie, he spends his day coughing and
        barking in Hebrew, a basterdised version of Arabic.
        
        Got that Christmas Ham yet Jacksie?
        
        Here are some gift ideas
        
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        December 18, 2018 5:48pm
      - Jack5
        
        Oh dear, I wonder whether we should let 卐EADolf and ?Kearealityczech❗ read this …
        
        Ancient Semitic languages (Proto-Arabic/Proto Hebrew?) have a strange connection to the Germanic languages, including English.
        
        Perhaps Herr Hitler not only have had some Jewish ancestry, but he may have given his speeches in a Hebrew Pidgin language.
        
        https://pintsofhistory.com/2015/01/09/did-ancient-semites-father-the-germanic-languages/
        
        PS: What has happened to 卐EADolf? He hasn’t been here for ages. Has the NZ SS been purged, Kearealityczech?
        
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        December 18, 2018 8:51pm
Manolo

The MSM’s love affair with Trudeau:
https://www.therebel.media/new-polls-canada-politics-trudeau-liberals-ezra-leavant-show-december-17-2018
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December 18, 2018 2:36pm
DigNap15

I sued to support the Foot Painters Christmas Cards appeal.
But one year they send me some Christmas Cards with nothing about Christmas on them.
So I told them that was my last donation.
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December 18, 2018 2:37pm
- lifesgood
  
  Good on you! I used to support them too, don’t any more.
  
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  December 18, 2018 5:42pm
DigNap15

Dear Andrew Little
How is your campaign for lighter or no sentences coming on?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12178882

140,000 in just a few days!
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December 18, 2018 2:44pm
Poppa

Hey Andrew

If you are going to go through with that Pike River charade before Xmas like you said, there is not much time old son

Oh ok you need to wait until the charlatan returns so he can be first to pretend to go in for the camera
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December 18, 2018 2:59pm
Colville

Sroubek to his Wife..

Seriously do you want me to do something stupid? Do you want me to send somebody to talk to you because you are doing crazy stuff?

Now how could a battered Wife possibly feel threatened by that?
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December 18, 2018 3:03pm
- Surely Knott
  
  The Greens and Ali Mau will be furious. I mean I assume the people he would send round would be some of his gang associates. If NZ society needs to take collective responsibility for male violence particularly the murderous violence we’ve seen of late then this is a great example to say no – this isn’t ok. Instead our government says welcome to NZ. And in relation to that decision – they say we won’t release the documentation, or the texts or the personal links – we don’t owe nz an explanation. We won’t say if we’re signing the migration compact today. We won’t show you the coalition agreement it’s in a vault. But here have a joint on us in 2020 you’ll need it.
  
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  December 18, 2018 3:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s 30 degC inside… all doors open and northern side of house all opened up..

Absolutely baking down in the city..must be reaching 33-35.

Looks like the rest of the week will be cooler…. whew!
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December 18, 2018 3:05pm
- Johnboy
  
  If you decide it’s far too hot to wear any clothing Maggy give me a call! 🙂
  
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  December 18, 2018 7:38pm
Wired-one

I see there will be a binding cannabis referendum in the 2020 election. Good way for Labour and the Greens to make sure their loser voters turn out.
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December 18, 2018 3:25pm
- Colville
  
  Its very smart.
  They will run the line “if National gets in you wont get your legal pot”
  So not only will the dopers turn out but they will all vote for the commies.
  
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  December 18, 2018 4:14pm
- Niz
  
  _this_ is the issue that we need a binding referendum for?
  
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  December 18, 2018 6:48pm
Morrissey

“Thou Shalt Not Think For Thyself”—life in Dumfukistan, AKA Texas.

The latest bit of malignant stupidity from the state that gave us the Bushes, and Gov. Rick Perry.

https://theintercept.com/2018/12/17/israel-texas-anti-bds-law/
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December 18, 2018 3:44pm
DigNap15

Thanks Australia

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12178917

It did not take them long to play up.
I hardly thought they would turn out to be nice caring citizens, like working at Countdown or being ambulance drivers.
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December 18, 2018 3:50pm
Chuck Bird

I listened to Simon asking Cindy whether Hardcore was a friend. She dodged it as best she could. I have heard some on KB suggest he was a lover. I wonder if it is true or people repeating rumours.

Does anyone know for sure if they at anytime presented as an item? This is not muckraking but about her honesty. If the were an item for some time but remanded friends her answer would be misleading at best.

There is also the matter of the mobile where Wayne Mapp was trying excuses for her.

There is no way any MP would give the mobile number to casual acquaintances. If they did there number would get around and they would be bombarded with abusive calls and texts.
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December 18, 2018 4:00pm
- itstricky
  
  I have heard some on KB suggest he was a lover
  
  Was Glenys Dickson a former lover of Bill English’s? Hundreds of text messages… where there’s smoke, there’s fire…
  
  ADS.
  
  There is no way any MP would give the mobile number to casual acquaintances. If they did there number would get around and they would be bombarded with abusive calls and texts.
  
  There’s the Handley ho-ha and she’s on the records as saying she’s changing it because too many people have it.
  
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  December 18, 2018 4:26pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”she’s on the records as saying”…..
    
    Give it a break Itstricky. She can’t lie straight in bed so she’s probably got multiple phones as well as the official one.
    
    If PriNZess says something it’s either a lie or the precursor to one.
    
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    December 18, 2018 4:39pm
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    December 18, 2018 4:44pm
- thedavincimode
  
  This is not muckraking but about her honesty.
  
  Great to see you’re so hot on honesty chuckie.
  
  Can we infer from this that you undertook due diligence on the Kermadec/helicopter rides/Owen Glen donations and pronounced a clean bill of health for winny before you voted for him?
  
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  December 18, 2018 5:04pm
- rangitoto
  
  I see Squirrel was brought out in parliament this afternoon. Things must be getting desperate in camp CoL.
  
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  December 18, 2018 5:11pm
DigNap15

Do you think Home Detention is a tough sentence?

Do you think it works as a deterrent?
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December 18, 2018 4:19pm
- rockape
  
  Nah, Jacinda volunteers for it all the time!
  
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  December 18, 2018 6:21pm
  - Komata
    
    Rockape
    
    Tardish ‘Oi’!
    
    Very good Sir, very good.
    
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    December 18, 2018 7:05pm
nasska

Great news that the wee bird missing in Auckland has turned up. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12178938

At the same time I would tend to hope that she gets an arsekicking from family & the police. We can do well without NZ being in a constant state of alert because of teenage angst.
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December 18, 2018 4:35pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Are you a parent?
  
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  December 18, 2018 4:40pm
  - nasska
    
    Father of three & grandfather of eight.
    
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    December 18, 2018 4:42pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      0-15. A scorching return of service.
      
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      December 18, 2018 4:58pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Mr Hillbilly, she’s way too old for pervieboy so that at least eliminated one option.
  
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  December 18, 2018 5:07pm
  - nasska
    
    I think he’s moved on from “beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts” Davinci.
    
    When last spotted he was in a paddock full of goats all wearing kinky underwear. 🙂
    
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    December 18, 2018 5:14pm
    - Johnboy
      
      It’s a fucking lie! They were all bloody sheep in that paddock! 🙂
      
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      December 18, 2018 5:22pm
    - stigie
      
      FFS you guys, we need fucking photos..?
      
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      December 18, 2018 6:27pm
      - secondcumming
        
        Here we go stig….
        
        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtkNcD-XQAAYucS.jpg
        
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        December 18, 2018 6:39pm
Chuck Bird

Well, for what I hear in the media the girl was suffering from depression. Punishing her could put her over the edge.
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December 18, 2018 4:57pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Always trust the media chuckie. Isn’t that how you found your way to winston 1st?
  
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  December 18, 2018 5:00pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    The burn, it stings …?
    
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    December 18, 2018 6:01pm
Johnboy

Now I just had a good look at the PM’s top teeth on Stuff and I’m almost certain they are dentures.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/109445808/did-the-prime-minister-just-call-her-opponent-names
I don’t have a problem with that but WFFS would she get the same pair as Mr. Ed?
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December 18, 2018 5:06pm
- thedavincimode
  
  They aren’t teeth JB. They’re WMDs.
  
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  December 18, 2018 5:16pm
Chuck Bird

thedavincimode, I do not believe I have had one abusive test on KB by one of the few who uses their own name. Just scum like you.

If you were in the same room with Winston I doubt if you would say anything to his face. In the case of Shane Jones I sure you would not.
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December 18, 2018 5:07pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Not so sure about that chuckie. I’ve no reason to be in a room with either of them given that I’m not inclined to join their cabal of fawning acolytes as you did.
  
  But I’m pretty sure I know exactly what I’d be saying if if that dodgy little prick or his suck arse blow hard mate ever walked into a room and made the mistake of ever talking to me or interrupting a conversation I was having.
  
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  December 18, 2018 5:14pm
  - realityczech
    
    That’s right morons. Rant and foam about Winston while the feminist authoritarian left dismantles the country right under your stupid noses.
    
    It was the arrogant petty mindedness of National that made Labour the only choice for Winston.
    
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    December 18, 2018 5:57pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Most people on this blog will definitely vote National. A minority will vote for another party. There is also a reasonable number who are undecided. People like you are more likely to convince them to not vote National than me.
  
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  December 18, 2018 5:21pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Is this another one of your theories chuckie? Like keeping National honest whilst gobbling the dwarf’s todger?
    
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    December 18, 2018 5:24pm
    - Johnboy
      
      “Gobbling the dwarf’s todger?”…..I wish you would be slightly less descriptive Leonardo!
      I keep having visions of those huge teeth and the screams for mercy from the little brown wizened creature. 🙂
      
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      December 18, 2018 5:35pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      When you think of it retrospectively, choosing the most dishonest politician of our times to keep someone else honest does seem rather, well fucking stupid.
      
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      December 18, 2018 5:39pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Indeed and in fact, looking at it prospectively, choosing the most dishonest politician of our times to keep someone else honest is pretty stupid too.
        
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        December 18, 2018 5:52pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Just cause some of us choose to not use our given names doesn’t mean you aren’t a dick Chuck.
  
  I’ve heard you on the radio, I’ve read your posts here and you sir,are a dick. Regardless of what handle I use.
  
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  December 18, 2018 5:24pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I suggest you or would of your dickhead mates approach me at the next National convention and ask the MP I may be talking waste time talking to a dick who was an NZF supporter at the last election.
    
    You bigmouth mate bullshitting mate claimed I was not at the last one without a shred of evidence. He was making this up but like Winston would never admit he was wrong.
    
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    December 18, 2018 6:12pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      What the fuck are you talking about? Other than proving my point that your a dick…
      
      When I’m at the national convention talking to an MP… wank wank wank … Im important y’know I talk to MP’s
      
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      December 18, 2018 6:41pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      .. approach me at the next National convention …
      
      Look out. chuckie’s going under cover. Make sure you record the conversations chuckie. You can flog the recordings to the blubber blog.
      
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      December 18, 2018 7:09pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Not sure recordings of Chuck getting politely told to fuck off by 50 mp’s is that interesting
        
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        December 18, 2018 7:15pm
- Longknives
  
  “If you were in the same room with Winston I doubt if you would say anything to his face. In the case of Shane Jones I sure you would not”
  
  Holy Fuck I would kill to be in the same room as them and have the opportunity to tell them EXACTLY what I think of their decision to go with Labour/Greens…
  
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  December 18, 2018 6:19pm
  - Longknives
    
    Lets not forget Winston told us for years and years that he would keep the Greens away from Government..
    Explain that one please Chuck?
    
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    December 18, 2018 6:21pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Hi Longknives, It is not up to me to explain. I regret voting for Winston as many do.
      
      I also believe in democracy. Personal attacks on people who did not vote for the party you thought they should or lobbied for another party are undemocratic.
      
      When those attacks are anonymously they are much worse.
      
      You choose not to use your name and I respect that. However, when others choose not to use their name and engage in name calling be it to me or MPs I say it is cowardly.
      
      I would like to see one insult Ardern when she was talking to the Minister of Police.
      
      I do not believe that any of those who make derogatory remarks about MPs of Maori ancestry from any party would any to their face.
      
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      December 18, 2018 7:48pm
      - Longknives
        
        “I do not believe that any of those who make derogatory remarks about MPs of Maori ancestry from any party would any to their face.”
        
        Can you explain this comment?
        *Because If I believe someone is a piece of crap I will tell them- Regardless of their Ancestry…
        
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        December 18, 2018 8:02pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Longknives, There are many on KB who refer to Maori as Murri and use other terms. It is sad that many people born in NZ denigrate Maori and worse that many who have immigrated here do so as well.
        
        I know of some who make the mistake of doing so to those of Maori ancestry who do not appear to be Maori. They soon shut up when challenges to the anonymous bloggers here would.
        
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        December 18, 2018 8:10pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Are you suggesting they are violent folk that will whack any honky that says that Chuck?
        Doe’s that apply to the midget Winston as well? 🙂 🙂
        
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        December 18, 2018 8:10pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Johnboy, I am suggesting that you that you would not say what you do here to any Maori MP. They would not smack but they would make you feel small.
        
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        December 18, 2018 8:13pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I suppose you’re right Chuck. Nanaia would be able to do that, specially if she sat on me! 🙂
        
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        December 18, 2018 8:20pm
Swifty

Just checking in from Auckland Hospital’s Coronary Care Unit. Had a bit of a heart attack yesterday arvo and been here since then. Had a stent fitted as soon as I got here and its been a pretty uneventful 24 hours since. Will be here until Thurs or so and then a couple of very quiet weeks parked up at the house. Have received the highest standard of professionalism and care from all the people I’ve seen here.

Best wishes to all on KB.

Swifty
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December 18, 2018 5:42pm
- nasska
  
  Good luck Swifty. We’ll keep kicking the Goatblower in your absence. 🙂
  
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  December 18, 2018 5:44pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  You may need to change that handle for the next for weeks Swifty, but wishing a full and speedy recovery.
  
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  December 18, 2018 5:46pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Same to you swifty. Best you avoid this place and media coverage of the first family’s Xmas for the next couple of weeks then. Take it easy.
  
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  December 18, 2018 5:54pm
- Dave Mann
  
  Best wishes to you for Christmas too and here’s wishing you a swifty recovery. Cheers!
  
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  December 18, 2018 5:55pm
- Longknives
  
  All the best Swifty! Take care of yourself Pal…
  
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  December 18, 2018 6:17pm
  - stigie
    
    Speedy recovery Swifty and good luck !~
    
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    December 18, 2018 6:34pm
- Fletch
  
  Good luck, and we hope you’re recovered soonest and home for Christmas.
  
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  December 18, 2018 6:33pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Glad to hear you are getting better Swifty. Speedy recovery and Merry Christmas to you and your’s.
  
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  December 18, 2018 7:15pm
DigNap15

Good luck Swifty.
Hope it never happens to anyone else on here.
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December 18, 2018 6:40pm
nasska

A Catholic priest has a heart attack & passes out in the ambulance taking him to the local hospital. As they are rushing him to surgery the priest wakes up & asks the nurse, ” Am I in heaven?”.

“No”, says the nurse, “We are just taking a short cut through the children’s ward”.
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December 18, 2018 6:46pm
- Longknives
  
  Ha Ha reminds me of the old Michael Jackson joke-
  
  “Reports of Michael Jackson having an Heart attack are false- He was actually found in the children’s ward having a Stroke…”
  
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  December 18, 2018 7:12pm
  - starboard
    
    “Breaking News ”
    
    Michael Jackson fell overboard today while out sailing in his yacht. But its of folks, they found him about 100 meters away clinging to a buoy.
    
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    December 18, 2018 8:41pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi4meXPLX6A

Can I just say that Paula Bennett completely demolished Ardern today.
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December 18, 2018 6:47pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Not sure actually, I think Ardern has done a fair job of sticking to her answers. She isn’t giving Much away and Paula struggled to progress the questions.
  
  I think Adern will get away with this now, we know it stinks but can National prove the corruption.
  
  Nah unfortunately not.
  
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  December 18, 2018 6:55pm
  - nasska
    
    All it will take is one little leak. She’s got half the Public Service covering her arse at the moment & that includes the Police. Some of them will be getting pissed off.
    
    A leak started it & a leak could finish it.
    
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    December 18, 2018 7:02pm
    - Longknives
      
      Nasska- It’s got to be only a matter of time.
      I have contacts in the Police that utterly detest her! And Gayford even more so..
      Quote – “They treat us like less than shit on their shoes”
      (And I’m not talking about the Cop on the street here…)
      
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      December 18, 2018 7:09pm
  - Longknives
    
    I think they already have proved corruption.
    They have sprung her lying about this matter…Several times!
    
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    December 18, 2018 7:04pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Whenever the opposition has had a government member on the ropes, it has been by asking questions that they already know the answers to.
    
    This is how Melissa Lee gazumped Cullen. When Bennett and Bridges are asking questions of the PM regarding Shroubek, they are doing so in expectation of an answer. They will, eventually, catch the PM in a lie. They did with Curran, they have done so with Jones. ILG and Ardern are next.
    
    This is a government that can’t even get the truth straight, as evidenced by Twitford and the Kiwibuild on-sell policy on the fly and Winston re-drafting our foreign policy.
    
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    December 18, 2018 8:54pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I agree,
      Paula has lined her questions up very well.
      
      If Jacinda had taken action to inform the Cops and Immigration that Mrs Sroubrek needed protection, but neglected to tell Winston, then she should have straightened Winston out as soon as he started blabbing about Mrs Sroubek in Parliament.
      
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      December 18, 2018 9:05pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        I note also that Bennet indicated the PM has a process (and God! doesn’t SLG love the process) for correcting misstatements made on her behalf by the Deputy Prime Minister.
        Having been ‘invited’ to correct the record, SLG would be foolish not to scan Hansard for any Peters mis-speak and correct it.
        
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        December 19, 2018 12:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Jacinda Ardern had better hope that no-one nasty goes around to have a wee chat with the ex-Mrs Sroubek.
  
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  December 18, 2018 7:00pm
  - Komata
    
    Maggy
    
    Cindy will deny any knowldge; she has form in that area.
    
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    December 18, 2018 7:13pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      She can say she doesn’t know the baddies & what they have been up to as much as she likes.
      
      It doesn’t mean that the baddies don’t know her.
      
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      December 18, 2018 7:30pm
      - nasska
        
        After fifteen months of lying like a flounder she has less credibility left than the president of the local chapter of the Hells Angels.
        
        The Book of Bullshit says something to the effect that “as you sow thou shall reap”……bring it on!
        
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        December 18, 2018 7:37pm
- waldonz
  
  OMG! How embarrassing is Jacinda Ardern?
  
  ‘Um..er…um..um..er..’
  
  Nearly as bad as her mate Curran!
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:17pm
Nostradamus

For Nasska’s Religion Today file: Parents of baby found dead on beach thought she was ‘the devil’, court documents reveal

The parents of a baby whose body washed up on a Gold Coast beach believed the girl could be “the devil” and was “evil”, according to court documents obtained by the ABC.
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In one diary entry, the mother allegedly referred to the baby as “the one you call the devil”. “Thout [sic] shall not murder is his command but [the baby’s father] is the law himself, he is the word and son of god. He has the right to sleigh [sic] the wicked one for all nations’ sake,” the diary read, according to the court documents.

The documents also reveal the child’s mother “became withdrawn from her family” in her late teenage years, becoming “heavily influenced by religion and told people that she believed she was Mary, the mother of Jesus“.

Hopefully Scott can join us and explain how someone decides if they’re the son of God or the mother of Jesus. In the meantime, from where I sit, this is a tragic waste of life. The baby never had a chance.
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December 18, 2018 7:36pm
- nasska
  
  Belief in the supernatural requires suspension of decency, humanity & sanity.
  
  Ergo, what could be more natural than Godaddled parents killing their kid?
  
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  December 18, 2018 7:44pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Cmon now nasska. Even Abe failed to slaughter his boy Isaac! Only just mind you. 🙂
    
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    December 18, 2018 7:49pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Johnboy:
      
      Any truth in the rumour that the New Zealand Geographic Board Ngā Pou Taunaha o Aotearoa (NZGB) proposes to remove “Wainuiomata” from the map? 🙂
      
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      December 18, 2018 7:56pm
      - nasska
        
        Removing the dump from the face of the earth would be a service to humanity! 🙂
        
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        December 18, 2018 7:58pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I suspect that the PRC/DPRK may do it first as a warning to the running dog fools at the Beehive who may be tempted to support Trumpie old chap! 🙂
        
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        December 18, 2018 8:02pm
      - Johnboy
        
        How can you be so cruel nasska just as we are hoping for a new shopping mall……What a cunt! 🙂
        
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        December 18, 2018 8:03pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Johnboy:
        
        a new shopping mall
        
        Sheesh! Where are your priorities? You need a Quarry Inn (Mikenmild could help you set it up), a piece of overgrown grass to be known as Hagley Park, and perhaps a water fountain. Then you’ll have the building blocks for a town that attracts cruisers!
        
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        December 18, 2018 8:08pm
      - Johnboy
        
        You just have no idea how bereft a Wainuiomartian’s life has been since the Red Shed closed Nostra. We have prayed five times a day (facing north to Countdowns HO) for an announcement like this! 🙂
        
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        December 18, 2018 8:16pm
      - Komata
        
        Nostra
        
        Surely if they wait long enough, the locals will do the job for them?
        
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        December 18, 2018 9:42pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    I can’t speak for Scott, obviously, but I imagine he’ll say that the mother had mental illness. The article doesn’t details about the father, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s clinically insane.
    
    But the problem for Scott is that he would then need to differentiate between someone acting under a religious delusion and someone who is mentally unwell and purporting to act under a religious delusion.
    
    Oh my head hurts!
    
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    December 18, 2018 7:51pm
- waikatogirl
  
  How can she believe she is the ‘mother of Jesus’ and also believe the baby is the devil?
  
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  December 18, 2018 7:53pm
  - nasska
    
    If you can believe in an omnipresent personal god you can believe in anything.
    
    If you need a word to describe the condition “gullible” fits nicely.
    
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    December 18, 2018 7:56pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Darwinism in action, in the worst way.
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What needs to be explained is why had the authorities let this obviously nutty family live down on the beach and on local roads. They knew there were 2 kiddies and a violent father.
  https://www.kidspot.com.au/news/tragic-life-of-ninemonthold-found-on-beach/news-story/ca5c61ff602a1b09275b25436b544b37
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:55pm
Nostradamus

DigNap15 on 22 October 2018:

Yes in my experienve KBers are active from 8 till 12. Then they go awol, and a few nutters come back about 6 or 8 oclock and dis each other, talk about goats and Jews.

Stephieboy and Realityczech don’t seem to be here. I’m concerned that we’re not meeting our goats and Jews KPI. DigNap15 won’t be pleased!
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December 18, 2018 8:27pm
- Johnboy
  
  Speaking of Jews is it my imagination or are our current and future Chief Justices of that particular ethnic group? Surely we should have appointed an Ayatollah this time? 🙂
  
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  December 18, 2018 8:34pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Johnboy, lame brain and humourless post of the day!
    
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    December 18, 2018 10:00pm
Morrissey

Court rules against Gaza father of 3 girls killed by IDF

Palestine Chronicle, 5 December 2018

An Israeli court yesterday ruled against a Palestinian from Gaza whose three daughters were killed by the Israeli army during its 2008 war on the Strip, denying Israel’s responsibility for their deaths.

Izzeldin Abuelaish, a 63-year-old doctor from Jabalia in the north of the Gaza Strip, lost three daughters and a niece during Israel’s 2008-2009 war on the besieged enclave. His story was made famous after he discovered his children had been killed while speaking to an Israeli TV channel, with his suffering broadcast live across the country and later shared widely around the world. [See above video]

Yet Israel’s Beersheba District Court yesterday ruled that Israel bore no responsibility for the deaths of the four girls, instead blaming “terror groups [for] fighting from within a civilian population and storing weapons in the building where they died,” the Times of Israel reported.

Israeli Justice Shlomo Friedlander said in yesterday’s ruling that Israeli shells hit Abuelaish’s home because “figures on the roof were suspected of acting as lookouts for terror groups and directing fire at IDF forces”.

Abuelaish’s lawsuit claimed that there was no fighting in the area at the time of the attack on his home, meaning there was no military rationale for it being targeted. His legal team claimed Israel’s shelling was, therefore, a war crime.

Abuelaish’s daughters – 13-year-old Bessan, 15-year-old Mayar, and 20-year-old Aya – as well as his 14-year-old niece Noor, were among 1,390 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces during Israel’s 22-day war, dubbed “Operation Cast Lead”. Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem estimates that more than half of those killed were civilians.

For more on Izzeldin Abuelaish: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gaza-israel-palestine-middle-east-izzeldin-abuelaish-daughters-killed-hope-robert-fisk-a8621971.html
https://kiaoragaza.wordpress.com/2018/12/05/court-rules-against-gaza-father-of-3-girls-killed-by-idf/
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December 18, 2018 9:10pm
- rangitoto
  
  A pity the parents and Hamas leaders who put them in harms way aren’t prosecuted.
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:44pm
  - Morrissey
    
    A pity you’re such a shameless ignoramus.
    
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    December 19, 2018 9:21am
Maggy Wassilieff

Hon Simon Bridges: Does she accept that she knows that same Richie Hardcore well?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I’ve acknowledged that in the House; I’ve made no secret of that. I have known Mr Hardcore for a number of years in a number of guises.

https://yournz.org/2018/12/18/ardern-finally-fronts-up-on-hardcore-re-sroubek/
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December 18, 2018 9:20pm
- stephieboy
  
  MW, so she has known of Mr Hardcore for a number of years?
  
  What’s the” smoking gun “there?
  
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  December 18, 2018 9:22pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @ stephieboy
    And why did you want to know how I cleaned my dirty underwear?
    
    Would you like to share with us all why you need that information?
    
    And more specifically, what aspect of my dirty underwear are you interested in?
    
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    December 18, 2018 9:26pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Maggy:
      
      And why did you want to know how I cleaned my dirty underwear?
      
      WTF? I missed that one. What did he say?
      
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      December 18, 2018 9:30pm
      - nasska
        
        The comment was deleted presumably after five “reports” Nostra. I took a file copy:
        
        stephieboy
        MW, hand wash or dry clean your Victorian undergarments?
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        December 18, 2018 9:46pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Thanks Nasska. Good idea to keep a file copy – Stephieboy’s comments and Morrissey’s comments don’t tend to stay around for long these days!
        
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        December 18, 2018 9:52pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Stephieboy asked me if I washed or drycleaned my dirty underwear.
        
        Of course I was initially flabbergasted/disgusted/worried…
        for who asks an old lady such things…(especially when previously he had enquired about what size underwear I wear)?
        
        But on reflection, I realise I have over 58 years experience in cleaning underwear… my own, my father’s, my brothers’, my husband’s, my daughters’, my incontinent mother-in-law’s.
        
        However, methods do differ.. depending on whether you are dealing with stained underclothing (sweat, faeces, urine, seminal fluid, vaginal secretions, menstrual discharge, lochia), delicate materials, colours or whites, etc.
        
        So if stephieboy could just furnish more specific details about why he needs to know how I deal with each or any of the above… I might just share all on this public forum.
        
        In fact, if there is enough interest in how I clean my underwear, I might post a reveal all on You-Tube.
        
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        December 18, 2018 9:52pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, reveal all? Go for it and see how many hits you get from Nostradamus, nasska and co
        
        Now back to your” smoking gun”
        
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        December 18, 2018 9:57pm
      - stephieboy
        
        nasska, is that all you can do in spare time?
        
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        December 18, 2018 9:58pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Why would nasska, & Nostradamus give a stuff about how I wash my undies, or what size undies I wear?
        
        They ‘re not perverts.
        
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        December 18, 2018 10:02pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Pervert Masturbates and Ejaculates on Woman at Bookstore in Mont Kiara Mall
        
        We really can’t let our guard down these days. Weirdos are everywhere!
        …
        According to Sinchew, the woman was sitting at the children’s reading corner while waiting for her husband to attend to some matters in the shopping mall. That was when the perverted guy got aroused after seeing the woman and decided to pleasure himself right then and there. Based on the CCTV footage, the fair-skinned guy in the black T-shirt stood behind the woman while she was fully engrossed in her book. Seeing how the victim wasn’t paying attention to her surroundings, the pervert started masturbating while using a book to cover himself from plain view. He then ejaculated on the back of the woman before walking away.
        
        “PERVERTS” is researched and presented by ShoppingMallWatch (a division of Stephieboy Productions).
        
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        December 18, 2018 10:03pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Nostradamus ,
        
        “When one came to know them it was surprising how childish grown people could be.”
        
        ― Rumer Godden, The Greengage Summer
        
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        December 18, 2018 10:11pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        how childish grown people could be
        
        I notice that you attack people like Nasska for what he does in his spare time. You never accept responsibility for your own perverted comments.
        
        So let’s test how grown-up you are. Would you be comfortable if someone were to print off a selection of your Kiwiblog comments and ask people at St Albans if you’re a true Christian or a charlatan?
        
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        December 18, 2018 10:16pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Septicboy ,9.22 pm ,pissed and hanging out of the
    livestock like a bus conductor.
    
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    December 19, 2018 6:31am
Jack5

Things hot up in the Pacific ..

Japan is launching its first aircraft-carriers since World War 2.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-18/japan-to-launch-first-aircraft-carriers-since-wwii/10632254
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December 18, 2018 10:42pm
starboard

Scumbag.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/109443203/karel-sroubek-wife-releases-threatening-taped-conversation-of-the-drugsmuggler
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December 18, 2018 10:54pm
- softail 1450
  
  Starboard, A close Arderne family friend and very good lawnmower serviceman ,,,,,,
  
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  December 19, 2018 6:23am

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